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Re: FINALLY! Getting a Bally 889 Delivered Today
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2022, 08:11:38 PM »
Yes, those are the fastblink bulbs. I'm just a collector of Bally machines and don't sell anything.  I have the same model machine with identical top and reel glass that I'm currently refurbishing and that's how I found those bulbs. I like my machines to look original but sharper lit if I can without it look in like LEDs have been installed.
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Re: FINALLY! Getting a Bally 889 Delivered Today
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2022, 08:16:00 PM »
Ah, perfect, ok.  Well I do appreciate the assist here.  I have the companion dime machine (5 line, 922-C) I'll be working on next so I'll be purchasing enough bulbs for both.  They'll look great sitting side-by-side in the game room.  Have a great evening.

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Re: FINALLY! Getting a Bally 889 Delivered Today
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2022, 09:13:58 PM »
The manual only shows #44 bulbs in a 889 but your picture looks to have two different bulbs.  The thin ones are the #44's and the round ones are flashers.

The line count unit should have two solenoids.  The one on the top is the reset coil.  There should be another on the lower side.  That is the step-up coil.  The location is indicated by the arrow on the attached.  I can see the coil base plate but it isn't clear to me if there is a coil winding??

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Re: FINALLY! Getting a Bally 889 Delivered Today
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2022, 03:03:37 AM »
47, 44, 55 and 455 are all 6V lamps with bayonet bases. 

47 is dimmest, 55 is brightest, and 455 is a flashing lamp.  While a 55 is bright, it is also hot and tends to burn/crack the ink eventually.   Incandescent 455's are hard to find these days ... they stopped making them a few years ago.

44 and 47 have the tubular dome/cover, while the 55 and 455 have a more ball-shaped dome.  There shouldn't really be 55's in the machine, but ya never know what someone put in there and they'd work.  Your round globe lamps could be 55 or 455's ... the number is printed or stamped on the base.

the one issue with using bare/exposed LED's like the 455's substitutes is they can hot-spot a little.  Without the cover to diffuse the light, you get more pinpoint lighting.  Probably not an issue with a flasher tho, and if sjcjeeper says they are ok, I'd go with the recommendation.

the flourescent light tubes can also be replaced with led tubes.  Some just plug in, most require removing the ballast and starter.  I'd get the kind that you remove the ballast and starter ... less stuff to fail down the road.   

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Re: FINALLY! Getting a Bally 889 Delivered Today
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2022, 07:19:50 AM »
The manual only shows #44 bulbs in a 889 but your picture looks to have two different bulbs.  The thin ones are the #44's and the round ones are flashers.

The line count unit should have two solenoids.  The one on the top is the reset coil.  There should be another on the lower side.  That is the step-up coil.  The location is indicated by the arrow on the attached.  I can see the coil base plate but it isn't clear to me if there is a coil winding??
I'm hoping the bulbs will be all right.  The ones I ordered match the sockets in the machine and the description noted by SLC but I'll find out...grin...

I'll open the machine up again tonight after work and check that coil.  I compared it with a pic I found online and everything appeared complete with the exception of the question I had yesterday that was answered.

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Re: FINALLY! Getting a Bally 889 Delivered Today
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2022, 07:24:57 AM »
47, 44, 55 and 455 are all 6V lamps with bayonet bases. 

47 is dimmest, 55 is brightest, and 455 is a flashing lamp.  While a 55 is bright, it is also hot and tends to burn/crack the ink eventually.   Incandescent 455's are hard to find these days ... they stopped making them a few years ago.

44 and 47 have the tubular dome/cover, while the 55 and 455 have a more ball-shaped dome.  There shouldn't really be 55's in the machine, but ya never know what someone put in there and they'd work.  Your round globe lamps could be 55 or 455's ... the number is printed or stamped on the base.

the one issue with using bare/exposed LED's like the 455's substitutes is they can hot-spot a little.  Without the cover to diffuse the light, you get more pinpoint lighting.  Probably not an issue with a flasher tho, and if sjcjeeper says they are ok, I'd go with the recommendation.

the flourescent light tubes can also be replaced with led tubes.  Some just plug in, most require removing the ballast and starter.  I'd get the kind that you remove the ballast and starter ... less stuff to fail down the road.
More good info.  And yes, will definitely be looking at an LED setup for that light tube. 

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Re: FINALLY! Getting a Bally 889 Delivered Today
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2022, 07:08:36 PM »
I'll open the machine up again tonight after work and check that coil.  I compared it with a pic I found online and everything appeared complete with the exception of the question I had yesterday that was answered.

The basic unit design is very common, used in a wide variety of EM machines and is also extremely common to have issues being gummed up/sticky over time.  The contacts on the other side may also need to be cleaned a little to help.  Attached is a picture of a cleaned up step-reset unit from a bally pinball machine for reference.

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Re: FINALLY! Getting a Bally 889 Delivered Today
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2022, 10:49:59 PM »
I'll open the machine up again tonight after work and check that coil.  I compared it with a pic I found online and everything appeared complete with the exception of the question I had yesterday that was answered.

The basic unit design is very common, used in a wide variety of EM machines and is also extremely common to have issues being gummed up/sticky over time.  The contacts on the other side may also need to be cleaned a little to help.  Attached is a picture of a cleaned up step-reset unit from a bally pinball machine for reference.
That is very clean compared to mine.  I see I have a bit more work to do.

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Re: FINALLY! Getting a Bally 889 Delivered Today
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2022, 01:33:35 PM »
because the steppers were used in pinball machines, there's lots of youtube videos on "cleaning bally steppers"

first pass is cleaning the rivets (synthetic steel wool/green scrub pad and isopropyl alcohol is fast) and making sure the wipers don't drag when resetting from step 1 and max step.  The wipers should whizz back to reset.

that's often all you need to do along with checking any switches on the unit, tho a lot of people like a really thin smear of lubrication on the rivets.

if someone has been in there with the wd-40 or other grease on the ratchet, then you get to take the thing apart.  Reset the unit and mark the wiper position ... it's possible to put the wipers on the ratchet two ways, and unless it's a continuous stepper unit, the wrong way will likely make you very unhappy.

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Re: FINALLY! Getting a Bally 889 Delivered Today
« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2022, 06:59:51 AM »
because the steppers were used in pinball machines, there's lots of youtube videos on "cleaning bally steppers"

first pass is cleaning the rivets (synthetic steel wool/green scrub pad and isopropyl alcohol is fast) and making sure the wipers don't drag when resetting from step 1 and max step.  The wipers should whizz back to reset.

that's often all you need to do along with checking any switches on the unit, tho a lot of people like a really thin smear of lubrication on the rivets.

if someone has been in there with the wd-40 or other grease on the ratchet, then you get to take the thing apart.  Reset the unit and mark the wiper position ... it's possible to put the wipers on the ratchet two ways, and unless it's a continuous stepper unit, the wrong way will likely make you very unhappy.
When I open it back up this weekend to clean it, I'll get some better shots.  The first time I had it opened, it did appear as if some sort of dry lube like a graphite had been used but I'm basing that only on the discoloration I saw around the moving parts.

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Re: FINALLY! Getting a Bally 889 Delivered Today
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2022, 03:58:45 PM »
Nice little care package came today, from Comet Pinball.  Fast shipping and reasonable prices!  Looks like I have something to do after dinner this evening - clean the contacts and replace a boatload of bulbs in the 889 and 922.

 

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