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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S2000 and Vision Games => Topic started by: scottf11961 on January 15, 2024, 08:51:26 PM
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Hey everyone
I just picked up a double diamond mine (vision). When booted, it waits for the video screen that never comes on. Then I get the "video display comm error ". I looked at a few basic things like wires on the distribution box, and the ribbon wire, what else can I check? I do have another vision machine that works great, so swapping parts to check is not a problem.
Also, what clear chips do I need? I have all clear chips, just want to know which ones I should use. Here's pics of 7551050 board.
Thanks in advance
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My memory is rusty on the vision machines, either that or I'm tired tonight. Did you check the battery in the vision /top box computer?
Thanks,
Wayne
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There's a communication (COM) harness that has three gray wires that run from the power distribution box up to the topbox LCD computer.
Make sure it's plugged in at both ends.
I've attached for you below, a photo of the COM harness plugged into the PDU.
It's on a black 6-pin Molex connector, but only utilizes 3 wires.
Vision machines use an IVC00224 Clear chip.
It will erase all the settings that you don't know how to set up...is that what you really want to do?
A KEY00031 would be a much better tool to have for a Vision machine.
The software in your game is ancient but you don't want to mess with the combo.
That's an original set-up.
Also, is there a CF card up in the LCD computer?
What numbers are on the label?
I can verify if you have the correct BGM card in there, or not.
Click on photo to enlarge if needed...>>>
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If I remember correctly, someone had a bad distribution box that caused this error also
W
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Ok, so a couple more pics, and I did put fresh batteries in , but that didn't help. I swapped the power distribution box with a known good one, but that didn't solve the issue. Upon start up, looks like it's booting correctly, then 'waiting for video message' comes on for a minute, then everything blanks out, reels spin and stop at seams centered on payline...'no disp' flashes briefly in credits window..andthen it shows the comm error message in photo.
Anything else I should try? Look for?
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If the batteries go, is the CMOS toast? Anymore, on any of my machines, when batteries go tits up, I always replace all batteries, clear the memory, and reload the game.
Thanks,
Jason
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I did put fresh batteries in. I really don't want to use ram clear chips unless absolutely necessary .
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You might want to put in a jumper so you can observe more stuff as the LCD is booting up.
The pins to jump are behind memory stick between the ribbon cable and the power plug for the LCD invertor.
Click on photo below to enlarge if needed...>>>
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Put the jumper on...and this is where I'm at
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Top part is good but...>>>
"Operating System Not Found"
You're missing something on the MPU.
Does the LCD boot advance further than that last message?
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These pics? Or do want to see the whole board?
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no...that's good.
The LCD screen...does it advance further than the last photo you've shown with the "Operating System Not Found"?
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Looks to me like the RFA for the vision computer needs to be reloaded.
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Oh yes that's right...he replaced the batteries..>>>
"and I did put fresh batteries in"
...he lost everything. Ugh :duh:
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With the jumper on, the screen boots up like a computer, but gets to "operating system not found", and that's where it stays. I do have another vision game that works good. Should I try swapping the top cards? 🤔 here's a pic of the card that's in the DD mine
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I don't know if swapping game CF cards will help because when you replaced the battery in the LCD, there's a file in memory called the RFA.
I don't remember which version you'd need...without looking at any sheets, I would say at least RFA100.25?
It's been quite a while since I've played with a Vision machine.
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I'm not sure what any of that means. This is my first venture working on a vision machine. My other works fine, so never had to work on it. Is there anything I can do...any part I need to get..ram clear..etc? What can I do. Other groups are telling me to use key31..by itself? My other s2000s use 97-17. My GK uses just 28..not sure what to do with a vision
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I've never had to reload the RFA on mine, so I'm no help there. Hopefully Elvis will pop in with some advise.
No, your issue is with the topbox (vision computer) not the MPU board. Keychips of any type aren't going to help you here right now. Put the clear chip (97) away and don't ever use it unless you need to change the accounting denomination. I hate that term "clear" because people seem to think "oh, I have an error, I'll run the clear and get rid of it.". Well it doesn't, what it does do is return all the machines settings to factory defaults and that screws up a bunch of other settings that most people struggle to get back to the way they used to be. Use the same caution with that as you would running a "factory reset" on your cell phone.
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the rfa card loads from the side slot. from what I remember you put the card in and boot it up, the card is removed after this. I can't remember if the top card stays in, but I would just remove it to be sure. Hopefully someone that remembers the details chimes in.
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It's interesting that I looked in my drawer of cards and saw this. Not far off from his card
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Understood. I was wondering why it had a top AND side slot. Is this card easy to come by? RFA
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It's been awhile but one card stays in the top slot of LCD.
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4.6 Game Program Change
Use the following procedure to replace game programs in Vision Series
machines equipped with an LCD.
Note: Game program changes are highly regulated in certain gaming
jurisdictions. Some jurisdictions require the presence of a gaming
agent during this procedure. Verify state and local legal requirements
before changing programs.
Newer flash memory cards may require more memory in the LCD.
Ensure that the LCD has sufficient memory before changing programs.
1. Turn the machine power off.
2. Remnove the processor board from the machine, and remove the
game, stepper base and version PROMs from the processor board
(refer to Section 4.1.1).
3. Remove the Bonus Game Module (BGM) from the LCD (refer to
Section 4.5).
4. Install the new game, stepper base and version PROMs on the
processor board and return the board to the machine (refer to
Section 4.1.1).
5. Install the new sound SIMM board if the machine has stereo sound
(refer to Section 4.2).
6. Install the new BGM in the top slot of the LCD and install the RFA
card in the slot on the left side of the LCD (Refer to Section 4.5).
7. Turn the machine power on. The LCD indicates the status of the
game replacement.
8. When the LCD displays the “Enter new time” prompt, turn the
machine power off.
9. Remove the RFA card and turn the machine power on. When the
VFD indicates that the machine is experiencing a RAM error, turn
the Attendant key.
10. When prompted by the message on the VFD, press the operator
switch on the processor board, hold for two to three seconds, then
release. The game program change is complete when the LCD and
VFD display game play messages.
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from software manual
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So.....I have to get new...everything..to make this work
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probably just an rfa update card.
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Forgive my ignorance since I have zero experience with vision games. Where can I get an RFA update card? This is the card that goes into the side, correct?
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I just opened my other vision machine just to look at it. THAT machine is totally different. It has two 64MB cards. Top and side. What would happen if I took them out and put them in the DD Mine? Would it mess the cards up?
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The game would not play. Don't do that.
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I would give some time for others to read this thread, or you can post a wanted ad in the classifieds.
Thanks,
Wayne
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This card was in my Ms little Green Men machine. I took it out, and I powered Ms Men back up to see if it would work without it..and it worked fine. So of course, I took the card and put it into the side slot of DD Mine, and nothing. Same error. I give up for today. Me head hurts..lol
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Yeah me too...lol
I decided to pull the battery out of my LCD computer to see if I could screw up mine - like you did.
By pulling out the connector on the PDU, I was able to make my Vision get to the "Video Display COMM Failure" come up on my blue VFD display.
When I plug it back in, that message goes away but then I keep booting up to the "Red Screen Of Death" :hissyfit: :banghead:
"Error Some Required Components are not Found"
Sticking in an RFA100.25 card in the side slot doesn't seem to help get it going either.
You don't need the RFA car in the Lil' Green Men anymore....somebody forgot to take it out.
When you stuck it the DD Mine in the side slot, it should of updated the LCD computer.
Mine doesn't either and I have the same exact set-up here.
I have just about every Vision machine kit there is....and they don't all work.
99% of the time, it's a glitch somewhere....esp. when you take out batteries.
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I appreciate your help, and everyone's help. "Should have" updated. When I found it in little green men.. I thought I'd found the winning answer..but no go. BUT..on a good note..I don't have to track one down! If I'm going to be disappointed, it may as well be with something I already have. I guess tomorrow I'll start over. Trace every wire. Maybe swap out a few for known working ones. Maybe even try my spare mpu. (Doubt that will help).
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Okay...I got mine working.
I never quit...haha
Take out the CF card from the top.
Insert the RFA100.25 into the top slot alone...no other cards.
Turn on machine.
The LCD computer will boot up and run the RFA card.
It will look like a really old DOS computer loading up everything to the LCD from the card.
It takes awhile...it's old stuff..about 7-10 minutes.
Once it stops at "enter date and time", shut the power off and pull out the RFA card.
Re-install the game card back into the top slot, alone.
No card needed on the side slot.
Power up machine.
Let us know how far you get.
Oh..BTW I loaded up a card that said RFA100.28....a slightly newer version than yours.
But try your RFA100.25....it should work for the ol DD MINE...kinda of press down on the card as it's loading...
I use to have an LCD computer that had bad, dirty oxidized pins in the slot and the LCD computer couln't read the CF flash card.
You need to see "Fixed Disk 0: Identified" on the last line on the first page when you power up the LCD computer.
Here's it up and running again...>>>
https://youtu.be/-GTfXheJ48U?si=2Nv9PJ6cD4E551n_
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Tried it. Nothing. Black screen "no display ".
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Power supply behind reel shelf could be loose or going or you may have a bent software chip leg.
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It's been a while since I worked on a vision but I do remember there is an RFA updater card that you would take out the game card and run the updater card. Then remove the updater card and reinstall the card with the BGM files.
Note: you only have to run the updater card one time and then it is permanently loaded in the top box.
Elvis is the expert here, hope he chimes in.
Rich
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Yes...the RFA100.28 CF card I threw in earlier to get the LCD computer running BGM games again.
What it does is wipe out everything, and re-write the proper DOS commands & files needed to run the computer.
Scott is having problems trying to get his RFA100.25 card to run.
He has a flaky COM harness and a poor power supply.
Another thing that causes a "dark LCD screen" is a bent leg on a MPU software chip.
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Hey Mark and Gary..Replacing the battery shouldn't clear the memory in the top box.. without knowing if the machine worked before.. there are a few possibilities.. the cards do go bad on occasion ( I have a stack of bad cards). Possible bad power supply.. possibly inserted the card backwards.. yes, they will fit both ways. Scott, you switched the card and the main cpu from the other Vision into the problem o..ne and everything worked correctly ?? Right ? ... do you have another card to transfer the diamond mine bgm file to ? The card has to have the game bgm file, 000 bgm file, Data file, ata65 file... Bill
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Hey Mark and Gary..Replacing the battery shouldn't clear the memory in the top box.. without knowing if the machine worked before.. there are a few possibilities.. the cards do go bad on occasion ( I have a stack of bad cards). Possible bad power supply.. possibly inserted the card backwards.. yes, they will fit both ways. Scott, you switched the card and the main cpu from the other Vision into the problem o..ne and everything worked correctly ?? Right ? ... do you have another card to transfer the diamond mine bgm file to ? The card has to have the game bgm file, 000 bgm file, Data file, ata65 file... Bill
Just to add to this, the card that I posted a picture of with a close serial number is a failed card. so this is a good observation
W
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I tried to re-enact the problem with my machine.
I did it so well I got all the same error messages as he did and more!. :24:
The "COM problem" was easy...all I did was disconnect one end of the 3-gray wired COM harness.
"Loss of Operating System" was simply to throw in a RFA card in the side slot to re-load up the Operating files for LCD computer.
I was in contact with scott's NLG friend iamwally this morning....they live close by each other.
I showed him how to hook up an Vision LCD to a old desktop computer ATX to power it up on a bench.
He can easily load up the RFA100.28 I sent him to a fresh CF card and run the program on scotts LCD computer.
Then he can take it back and put it in his cabinet, throw in the BGM card and boot up with that.
Totally agree with you guys with having bad Compact Flash cards. :cool_thumb_up:
I have a few of those as well. :yes:
Never store them with the pin holes facing up.
I also have extra LCD computers to play with and some have bad pins in the PCMCIA slots.
Accidentally, I found out that the side slot can be used for both the RFA and BGM cards.
See some notes I've made...>>>
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What is the current status?
Are you still having the communication issue?
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Ok so trying to help Scott out. He sent me the monitor and his pcmcia cards. Hooked up on bench with atx power supply and confirm the computer sees the pcmcia cards but comes up with operating system
Not found. So it would seems that the OS needs to be loaded back onto the internal flash drive. Trying to go about figuring out how to do that or even if it can be done!🤣. Anyone with experience in this area please let me know. I was under the assumption that the RFA card would do just that but it would seem that the computer doesn’t actually boot off the pcmcia card only the internal flash. Maybe that is actually the question, how do you make the computer boot off the pcmcia card? Because if it did I am fairly certain it would restore the OS to the internal flash drive.🤷♂️🤔
Thank you,
Iamwally
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Ok so made a cable and hooked up a keyboard…trying to get into the bios of this little computer….unfortunately it’s password protected…..any ideas of what it might be?
Thanks
Iamwally
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I did this about 14 years ago...haha :mummy:
Go to link below...>>>
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=7309.75 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=7309.75)
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Hahaha!!! Thanks for that!!! Was searching all around and didn’t find that!!!
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So I got keyboard hooked up, got into the bios, located a 3 1/2” diskette drive and cable to hookup as a: drive to boot off of. Only problem is it seems
That the bios won’t hold the settings I go in and change disk a: to 1.44mb disk drive and then save settings and exit. Yet as soon as the machine reboots the disk a: is still set to none.🤷♂️. Any ideas as it seems I am not able to save bios settings.
Thank you,
Iamwally
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Ok booting up off a floppy now! So progress! I wonder if someone can do me a favor or actually 2 small favors.
1 Can someone post a pic of the whole board of a working lcd cpu board without the pcmcia cards installed
2 Can someone post a video of the bootup of a working one with the J1 jumper installed and no pcmcia cards installed
Thank you,
Iamwally
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Ok I feel like I am getting closer and closer daily to figuring how to fix this little monster🤞🤣. Anyway, I have attached a photo and circled 4 things that I would love to know what they are. If someone knows please fill me in. Also is there any actual documentation floating around out there about these little computers?
Thanks,
Iamwally
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Just so everyone knows I came up with an interesting solution. It seems somehow the lcd flash boot drive either died or got corrupted and after spending a whole bunch of time trying to revive it unsuccessfully I came up with a better albeit different solution.
I gave up on the internal drive …. I used a cf card in a pcmcia adapter as the c: drive ….. made a dos 6.22 boot disk and used it to format the c: drive with /s to make it dos bootable ….then rebooted with RFA card in second slot ….changed over to d: and ran igtupdt.bat…..then took RFA card out and put BGM card in second slot and voila!!! So now it runs the OS off the top pcmcia slot and the BGM card runs in the side slot.
If anyone needs more in depth details PM me and we can discuss it further.
Thank you,
Iamwally
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omg...I haven't played with DOS commands in 14 years.... :rotfl:
Glad you fixed it finally.