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Bill Validators, Currency Acceptors and Printers => JCM WBA 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 20, 21, 22, and 23 Bill Validators => Topic started by: txplayer05 on March 23, 2019, 11:17:20 PM
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Hello, I have an s+ machine that I recently upgraded its BV. I have 2 BVs a WBA-12-SS and a WBA-11-SS that I have tried using with this version chip underneath V3.75-03i ID023. I have a SP1271 chip on a triple cash machine and a SP731 on a double diamond machine. I have tried both BVs on the triple Cash machine and both go thru the start up process when the machine is turned on but they both wont take any bills. I have used the set 101 chip to activate the BV on the machine but they still did not want to take any bills. I haven't tried the BVs on the double diamond machine yet just on the triple Cash. If anyone has any ideas of how I may get them to work or some troubleshooting steps I would really appreciate it. I bought the 2 BV setups from a member here on this site. Thank you.
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WBA 12's are flash based units, if you are using an eprom, my guess is the you don't have a WBA12, maybe a WBA13. WBA11's do not use the same software as a WBA12/13, you cannot trust the labels on these as a lot of these have been mismatched over the years. WBA10-13 all use the same head, the only difference is the transport.
WBA10 and 11 are essentially the same thing. WBA10 is a flash unit, WBA11 is an eprom unit. The back connector is an "edge" type connector. They accept bills one way, face up and to the right.
WBA12 and 13 is the same story. WBA12 is a flash based unit and WBA13 is eprom based. The back connector is a multi-pin type connector. They accept bills 4 ways.
When you say it doesn't take bills, does it even take them in to examine them or the acceptor ready light just never lights up.
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If the BV is active your bezel should be lit.
Make sure you are using the right ID 022/023 its a dipswitch setting.
I would use a $1 bill for your test as they have the widest acceptance.
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Hello, I bought another complete transport and head (wba13) and a new 1271 chip. I did get it to take a bill once when I first installed them but I must of changed something because now its not taking any bills again. When I say its not taking any bills I mean it wont even take them inside to read them. I do hear the BV wind up when the machine starts so it does have power. This is what I have done so far...I used my set 101 chip to activate the BV setting to (9 1) and to set the denomination at (5) cents. I am using a SP1271 chip so I downloaded a guide from here to help me with my settings. This is what the rest of my settings look like...Pressing the white test button twice the setting is at (2 1), Turning the jackpot key once the setting is at (5 0), Turning the jackpot key 3 times the setting is at (8 1), turning the jackpot key once the setting for the group 7 settings are (7-1) 0000, (7-2) 9999, (7-3) 9999, (7-5) 9999, and for group 8 (8) 0000. Can someone please tell me what I am missing. I do want all of my winnings and the money from the BV to go to the credits. I do not want to use any coins. Thank you.
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Try changing 7-1 to 9999
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the machine does play when I put a quarter into it even though it doesn't take any bills but if it wins it starts ringing the bell and wont stop. I will try it with the change you suggested.
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7-1 is hopper limit so I guess it won't help. :Scratch-Head:
EDIT: try changing 8-1 to 8-0
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Did you change the power supply or use the one that was there ?
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I tried changing the 8 1 to 8 0 but that didn't work. Im using a wba power supply because the one that was there was the old style.
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Look on your MPU board. If dip switch jumper#4 is on turn it off. For some reason if #4 is on with a SP1271 it will turn your BV into a change machine. If hopper limit is zero it might not even light up?
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Hello I checked my mpu board and it looks like the number 4 dip switch is turned off. I hope you guys can help me out by trying to see if I am missing something. So let's say I am not missing anything and that my settings are correct, what hardware should I try to replace next? I've already replaced my SP chip, transport unit and head, and power supply. The only thing that would be left to replace would be my game chip and the MPU board.
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If the BV is not initializing and doesn’t even reject bills then the issue is with the BV system and not any of the system settings. I agree with you that you need a WBA power supply but am suspect of the one you have.
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The new BV I just bought and installed does go through its power cycle. I can hear it when I turn on the machine. It just wont take any Bill's. If I open the head I can see the wheels spinning so it does have power. I did notice that my game will play even though the bv does not take any Bill's. When I put in a quarter it does take it and allows me to spin the reels. The only problem is if it lands on a winning spin then it locks up and starts ringing its bell and displaying 0000 in the display. I then have to use my clear chip to clear it.
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Lets start at the beginning.
DO you have a Jackpot Reset key ? the key goes in the right hand side and when the machine goes into hand-pay you turn the key and the jackpot resets ? You should not need to use the clear chip.
Now WHY it goes into hand pay is because:
Reason 1 - you hit the top award
Reason 2 - the WIN has exceeded credit limits on the machine.
Reason 3 - You have cashed out and the credits on the credit meter exceeds hopper limits.
So stepping through what you have described - you hit a minor win. If the machine is set to pay "wins to credits" then your credit meter goes up. Typically the limit is 9999.
but yours is not …. its going 0000 and going directly to hand pay. If you simply did not have enough coins in the hopper then you would get a 3100 or 3200 hopper error.
This would mean that your set to pay "wins to hopper" and your hopper limit is either 1 or 0. I would also check the credit limit as it may be set to 0 as well.
Download Rons (R273) Simplified setting guide and change the settings for WINS to Credits and make sure both the credit and hopper limits are a healthy 400 coins.
There is also a setting to ring the bell on all wins (very annoying) or just on Jackpot (reasonable) or Off (the way my wife likes it).
When it comes to denomination what is the denomination of your machine ? Quarter, Nickle, Dollar ?? then answer is the machine does NOT know. You put a coin in - the coin passes the comparator and optics and you get a credit. If your game is 3 coins you can put in 3 coins and it plays. When you get a 10 coin win it pays out 10 coins by counting coins through the hopper optics but the machine doesn't know what kind of coins its spiting out. Personally I run my games on tokens.
When it comes to the bill validator you need to enable it by using a SET chip - this tells the DBV how many credits it should give for a $1.00 - so if you set it to 0.25c you get 4 credits when you insert a dollar bill. You could easily be setting the machine to 1c to give you 100 credits for a dollar but the hopper and such still setup for quarters. When you cash out the machine then gives you 25.00 (100 quarters). The machine doesn't know that the BV is 1c and the hopper is 25c …. and it doesn't care. It does know if the BV has been SET. If it hasn't then it won't work.
Have you used a SET chip to enable the bill validator - you need to do this after every game change or after a clear chip has been run. If not the bezel is dark and it won't read the bills.
I cannot remember if it will read a bill and reject if its not enabled or just not take it at all.
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This is what I wrote earlier showing all of my settings and some of the steps that I have already taken. I bought another complete transport and head (wba13) and a new 1271 chip. I did get it to take a bill once when I first installed them but I must of changed something because now its not taking any bills again. When I say its not taking any bills I mean it wont even take them inside to read them. I do hear the BV wind up when the machine starts so it does have power. This is what I have done so far...I used my set 101 chip to activate the BV setting to (9 1) and to set the denomination at (5) cents. I am using a SP1271 chip so I downloaded a guide from here to help me with my settings. This is what the rest of my settings look like...Pressing the white test button twice the setting is at (2 1), Turning the jackpot key once the setting is at (5 0), Turning the jackpot key 3 times the setting is at (8 1), turning the jackpot key once the setting for the group 7 settings are (7-1) 0000, (7-2) 9999, (7-3) 9999, (7-5) 9999, and for group 8 (8) 0000. Can someone please tell me what I am missing. I do want all of my winnings and the money from the BV to go to the credits. I do not want to use any coins. Please let me know if you see something that's off. I am on my way home now so I can get in front of the machine and answer any questions. Thanks.
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Holy microscopic font, Batman!
"This is what I wrote earlier showing all of my settings and some of the steps that I have already taken. I bought another complete transport and head (wba13) and a new 1271 chip. I did get it to take a bill once when I first installed them but I must of changed something because now its not taking any bills again. When I say its not taking any bills I mean it wont even take them inside to read them. I do hear the BV wind up when the machine starts so it does have power. This is what I have done so far...I used my set 101 chip to activate the BV setting to (9 1) and to set the denomination at (5) cents. I am using a SP1271 chip so I downloaded a guide from here to help me with my settings. This is what the rest of my settings look like...Pressing the white test button twice the setting is at (2 1), Turning the jackpot key once the setting is at (5 0), Turning the jackpot key 3 times the setting is at (8 1), turning the jackpot key once the setting for the group 7 settings are (7-1) 0000, (7-2) 9999, (7-3) 9999, (7-5) 9999, and for group 8 (8) 0000. Can someone please tell me what I am missing. I do want all of my winnings and the money from the BV to go to the credits. I do not want to use any coins. Please let me know if you see something that's off. I am on my way home now so I can get in front of the machine and answer any questions. Thanks. "
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I have the same problem and have not found the answer.
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Hello,
I might suggest you use the WBA built in "test mode" just to verify that the acceptor is even working. You can use the "Bill Acceptance" tests to verify that it is at least able to accept bills. Check the link to the "Quick Reference" guide below on how to configure this test via the dip switches on the WBA itself. These test don't involve the machine, they are built into the WBA itself and just test the functionality of the WBA...
http://patriotgaming.com/manuals/JCM/WBA_QR_Flipbook.sflb_.ashx_.pdf (http://patriotgaming.com/manuals/JCM/WBA_QR_Flipbook.sflb_.ashx_.pdf)
dpalmi (Dan #2)
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I did that already twice just to be sure. It passes with flying colors. Accepts the bill then the lights in front blink once for a one and five times for a five. If you turn the bill upside down it rejects it. It acts like the BV SET15 ISN'T WORKING BUT IT SAYS IT IS. I CHAGE IT TO A 9 1 FROM A 9 0 then set the denomination to 25 and save. I have done this on other machines and it worked fine. I don't get it.
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The only other item would be the protocol.
S+ used two different protocols that varied by chip set.
You might have to change the dip switch setting to select the right protocol.
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Thank you very much for all your help. I did get it fixed. What I did is the ram clear and then the set15 chip. Had to do it several times. I found that it was enabling the bill acceptor but not saving it in the software. Finally got it to save the setting and now works fine. It will accept the new 20's but not the fives or hundreds. And of course accepts the ones. Thank you all again.
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I did finally find the problem I was having. After using the set chip turning 9 0 to 9 1 and then setting the denomination it appeared to be working correctly. You push the white button to save it. You replace the set chip with the game chip. Follow the process, it initializes on bootup like it should but the acceptor wouldn't take any bills. Do the test and all passes but still doesn't work.
What was happening is although it seemed like it was saving the 9 1 to turn on the acceptor it was not. Check the diagnostic software and verify that it actually changed the 9 0 to a 9 1 turning on the acceptor. Once it actually saved it and was turned on it worked perfect. You may have to do this a couple of times to be sure it turns it on. Strange thing is it will accept the new colored 20's but not any other new bills. Thanks again for all your help.