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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: FastEd on February 26, 2017, 09:38:10 AM
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I'm a new member, so I hope I'm posting this in the correct place....
I replaced the battery in my IGT s-plus red, white and blue machine. I turned on the machine and
received error 61 in the winner paid window. I then
pushed the test button, next to the power switch, and
then received error 61 1, I then turn the reset key
(right side of machine) and I received a 63 in the
winner paid window. I can't find an error code for
63....
Thanks for any help!!!!
-Ed
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Welcome to NLG. :NLG_WELCOME: When you got the 61-1 did you close and latch the door before you turned the key? If not try it with the door closed.
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Good morning erbs and thanks so much for the welcome to NLG.
After receiving the 61.1, I did close the door before turning the reset key. It returned to 61, so I turned the reset key again and a 63 appeared in the winner paid window. However it appeared in the far right side of the winner paid window as opposed to the 61 and 61.1 which always were on the far left side of the paid window.
I did discover, on the inside of the main door, a list of error codes and it refers to error 63 as "Card Cage Open".
Can't find anything on it, but still trying....
Thanks again,,,,
-Ed
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Since you had the 61-1 and it went back to 61 then a ram clear will need to be done. If there is a bill acceptor then a set chip is needed to reactivate it.
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Thanks Ken, for responding.
I have both, but it was suggested I use them as a last resort. Well, I guess this is the last resort!!!!
Thanks again for your help....
-Ed
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I think Ken misread your post. Your 61-1 didn't go back to 61, it went to a 63 error.
That said, it won't hurt much to try the clear chip here. If that doesn't do it, we can dig deeper to resolve the issue.
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I think Ken misread your post. Your 61-1 didn't go back to 61, it went to a 63 error.
That said, it won't hurt much to try the clear chip here. If that doesn't do it, we can dig deeper to resolve the issue.
I think I read it correctly ???
He posted this is reply 2 .. After receiving the 61.1, I did close the door before turning the reset key. It returned to 61, so I turned the reset key again and a 63 appeared in the winner paid window.
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Hello again,
Well, I installed the clear chip, as instructed. I turned on the power, received one ding and that was it. Nothing else took place. It was my understanding the Spin Reel Button would light. I would select it and the machine would clear and reset. The Spin Reel Button never lit up. Really lost now!!!!
Thanks to all....
-Ed
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After the first ding you have to push and release the self test switch once. Count up to 02 - 999 and then the ram clear is done.
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Ken: my apologies, I was the one who read it wrong. Oops! :duh:
Ed: Once you power up the machine with the clear chip installed, press the white self-test button next to the power switch.
Turn power on and press the white test switch button once. There will be a set of numbers counting up on the door. Once it is at "2 999". Turn power off and replace the original GAME PROM
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Thanks, I will try the test switch today!!!!
Appreciate all the help!!!!
-Ed
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I tried the test button after turning on the machine with the clear chip installed. It produced a constant ding until I turned off the power!!!! Is that normal? Should I let it ding or will it ever stop?
Thanks,,,,
-Ed
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What I meant by "let it ding".... I thought that it my be a part of the counting process.... 2....999
Novice here, at best.... Sorry,,,,
-Ed
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Was the display changing while it was dinging? How long did you let it ding before shutting it off?
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The winner paid window remained "0". I let I run for 90 seconds before turning off the machine....
-Ed
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You do have the chip oriented the in right direction? The notch has to face the same way as the game chip does.
Dave
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Yes, it's faced the same as the reel chip next to it, notch toward bottom of the board.... Does the hopper have to be in for the clear chip to work????
Thanks,,,,
-Ed
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I don't think so. You're just clearing the settings. I know this is old hat....All the chips in good, no bent legs etc. I'm trying to think of a reason the clear is acting up. Board seated well?
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I double checked the pins and the installation....
All good!!!!
Thanks so much for your efforts,,,,
Greatly appreciated....
-Ed
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Hello again,
Well, I installed the clear chip, as instructed. I turned on the power, received one ding and that was it. Nothing else took place. It was my understanding the Spin Reel Button would light. I would select it and the machine would clear and reset. The Spin Reel Button never lit up. Really lost now!!!!
Thanks to all....
-Ed
When you did this and the one ding occurred then the self test switch needed to be pushed and released. Then two dings occur and the count up on the display starts.
Besides checking the eprom legs for being bent .. also check the two connectors on the CPU board for bent pins. I don't remember the number of pins in those connectors.
No, the hopper does not have to be installed during a ram clear.
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Ken: my apologies, I was the one who read it wrong. Oops! :duh:
Thanks for the help on making me think I was losing it! LOL ... get enough of that from my wife.
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Ken,
I've looked at the board and it doesn't appear anything is bent or disturbed.
I hear one ding when I turn on the machine. Nothing displayed in the windows at this point. I push the test button for 4 seconds and I see "0" in the coins played window along with a continuous ding and nothing else takes place....
-Ed
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Thanks Shaggy,
Everything seems to be good with the pins. None bent.... I have checked the board numerous times and it is seated well....
-Ed
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Try pushing and releasing the self test switch button .. don't press and hold at this time.
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Ken,
I just tried pushing and releasing the test button and a "0" appeared in the coins played window. After approximately 10 seconds, the "0" disappeared.... Nothing after that....
However, I didn't get the continuous ding!!!!
-Ed
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Did you hear a ding when you first turned the machine on this time?
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Ed, I would put everything back as it should be and start over, put the SP chip back in ( observe the notch) put the board back in and fire it up and try to do the 61/61_1 again.
where did you get the clear chip from? is it the correct clear for a S+? this clearing procedure is pretty much automatic, turn the machine on, ding, press the test button once, the machine will count two cycles, done. shaping up to look like the e-squared chip is bad on the motherboard, its the only chip on the board, an eight pin chip. usually if you can't clear a 61, that's a classic tell tale sign that the chip is bad.
Jim
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At the risk of boring you all, let begin again on how this all started and I decided to try the clear chip.
Like a foolish ol'man, I bought two machines.... One of the machines (#1) is working fine after replacing the battery and simply following the process to get it up and working. I also replaced the battery in the other machine (#2), the Red, White and Blue machine we are discussing. However, following the same process, after replacing the battery, didn't work for me. So, I thought it might be the board.
However, when I put the board from that machine (#1), into the machine I'm working on, (#2) I get the same error "63".
Also, when I put the board from #2 into #1 it works fine....
Hope this is not too confusing.... I know I'm getting confused myself!!!! :duh:
Thanks for listening,,,,
-Ed
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That is good thinking and normal troubleshooting when you have a second similar machine available.
Nothing wrong with what you did. :nerd:
IGT S+ machines are known for sometimes getting stuck in a 61 error loop, that's one of the main uses for the CLEAR chip.
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..... shaping up to look like the e-squared chip is bad on the motherboard, its the only chip on the board, an eight pin chip. usually if you can't clear a 61, that's a classic tell tale sign that the chip is bad.
Jim
Jim, is that eeprom chip socketed or soldered to the motherboard?
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This is the board we are working with!!!!
Hope it's clear enough to see....
-Ed
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the board you pictured is the cpu board, the mother board is the board that the cpu board plugs into, its located on the bottom of the cabinet.
the eeprom is typically soldered to the board.
Jim
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Jim, please allow me to repeat myself!!!! I'm a novice at best,,,, sorry....
Thanks again,,,,
-Ed
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Thanks for the help on making me think I was losing it! LOL ... get enough of that from my wife.
Ha! Sounds like she needs to start nagging at me. :)
However, when I put the board from that machine (#1), into the machine I'm working on, (#2) I get the same error "63".
To be clear, when you put the MPU board from your working machine into the problem machine, are you using the same chips (SP and SS) from the working machine, or are you swapping the chips? If you were swapping them, I'd be interested in having you put the board, working chips and all (even if it's a different game theme/title), into the problem machine to see what happens.
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Good morning with good news!!!!
Well, here is a recap.... Keeping in mind I'm a novice at best. I installed the clear chip,. got a continuous ding and let it ding for 90 seconds, thinking it was part of the counting process. Put the game chip back in, turned on the machine with the same results, nothing different.... I repeated the process again, with the same outcome....So, after sitting and staring at the board, for a considerable period of time, I decided to put the game chip back in, for the last time, and start the machine one more time....To my SURPRISE, I finally got the elusive, error 65.1 and continued from there!!!! IT WORKED!!!! I then followed instructions on the BV chip and it appears to have worked.... The only issue I have now is the BV will take a $20.00 bill but seems to disappear somewhere. When I remove the cash box, it is crumbled behind the cashbox... I'll keep working on that issue....
All in all, it has been a very educational journey....
I want to thank you for all your patience and assistance....
Sorry for rambling on,,,,
Thanks again,,,,
Respectfully,
-Ed
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Congrats on getting your machine working. Not sure that your clear chip is good, but I guess it's a moot point right now.
I'm marking this topic as solved. Please create a new thread if you need further assistance with your bill validator issue.
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Thanks knagl and a big thank you to all who walked me through this process!!!!
Much appreciated....
-Ed
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Hello again,,,,
Well, after getting this machine to work properly for approximately a month, I'm now getting a code 43 and the reels spin continuously. I then turn the reset key (with the door open), and they stop until I close the door and they begin to spin again....
Any suggestions would be much appreciated.....
-Ed
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Assuming that you have checked to make sure there are no obstructions for the 3rd reel to keep it from spinnig freely, with the power off switch the 3rd reel with the 2nd reel. If you get code 42, then you have a bad reel and need to get a new one. If you still get a code 43, then your reel control chip for the 3rd reel is having issues or there's a harness issue (check the harness to make sure it is not loose). You would need a new MPU board, or if you are handy with desoldering, you can move one of the unused reel 4 or 5 control chips over to 3 (most S+ boards were furnished with 5 reel control chips,but there are only a handful of s+ games with 5 reels, so it's ok to remove reel 4 and 5 chips).
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Thanks rickhunter,,,,
I switched reel 3 with reel 2 and the code remained the same. I also took a reel from another machine and placed it in reel slot 3 and then reel slot 2 with the same results each time, (code 43).
Again, all reels continuously spin. I then turn the reset key (with the door open), and they stop until I close the door and they begin to spin again....
All wiring and harnesses seem to be fine. Moving control chips sounds a little above my paygrade. I suppose I need to try or get another MPU.
Thanks again,,,,
-Ed
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Had the same problem awhile back, sounds like the MPU.
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Appreciate it erbs,,,,
Strange, because it simply began doing this when I turned it on one morning. First the 3rd reel began to spin. As I said, turned the reset key, 3rd wheel stopped. Closed the door and 3rd reel began to spin again. Repeated the process three or four times. After fifth time, all the wheels began to spend continuously. Not sure if it adds anything to the conversation, but they spin very slowly.
Sounds like I need to begin an MPU search!!!!
Thanks,,,,
-Ed
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Have you examined the mpu board for any battery leakage or something like water/beverage spills?
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Morning rokgpsman,
Yes, everything looks real clean.... Do you think the clear would fix it?
Thanks,
-Ed
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I meant clear chip, sorry....
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A clear does not fix this kind of error.
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I would try another mpu board to fix the error 43. Even if you have to buy one it will be good to have a spare if this doesn't fix it. And chances are it will fix it.
Or you could send your mpu board to someone that will swap the reel control chips around as mentioned earlier in reply #38. There may be someone here that will do it for free, you just pay the shipping charges.
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Thanks rokgpsman,
If I can locate the reel control chips, I just might try it myself.... Are they marked in an obvious way, so as I can recognize where they are located?
Thanks again....
-Ed
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well, they won't say "reel control chips" on them, but they use a designation like "U19" or "U54" or similar. IC's usually have a "U'" number, resistors use an "R" number like "R23", capacitors use "C" like "C99", etc. Others here that are very familiar with this mpu board will have to say which ones you mess with. When desoldering a chip and removing it from the circuit board it is easy to pull up or tear up a circuit trace or pad. That can cause a board failure unless it is patched. So if you do this yourself you'll want to take your time.
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according to my book, reel driver #1 is U10, #2 is U2, #3 is U11, #4 is U1, and #5 is U3. should be SAA1042A type chip.
hope this helps
Jim
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Thanks Jim!
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Yes, thanks Jim,,,,
I may just give it a try!!!!
-Ed
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Thanks to rokgpsman as well....
Great advice....
-Ed
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Well I guess I will replace the MPU.
I've attached a photo of the my current MPU.
Any suggestions as to where the best value can be found?
Thanks,,,,
-Ed
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Looks like U1 and U2 are missing from your board (U2 was never installed from the factory)?? Maybe the information from Jim is for a different version of mpu board? It looks like the sticker on your board near the large power transformer says the part number is 75505707 rev D. Your mpu board was made around 1996.
And there is a socket at U1. Did you begin the chip replacement process and stop?
Your board looks very clean, are you sure you don't want to have someone replace the reel driver chips, that might repair it cheaper than a new board?
If you do want to get another mpu you can post a WTB request (Want-To-Buy) here in this thread and one of the site moderators can move it to the classified ad area.
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Well I guess I will replace the MPU.
I've attached a photo of the my current MPU.
Any suggestions as to where the best value can be found?
Thanks,,,,
-Ed
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=15491.msg82749#msg82749 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=15491.msg82749#msg82749)
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Thanks rokgpsman,
The only thing that has be done, on the board, is the replacement of the battery. I've attempted nothing else....
I'm really not steady handed enough, when it come to soldering, and I don't know anyone locally that works on these machines....
I noticed the pictures was up side down, so I posted a new one....
Thanks again for the info!!!!
-Ed
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Are you close to a Battery Plus store?
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Somewhat close Ken....
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Thanks rokgpsman,
The only thing that has be done, on the board, is the replacement of the battery. I've attempted nothing else....
I'm really not steady handed enough, when it come to soldering, and I don't know anyone locally that works on these machines....
I noticed the pictures was up side down, so I posted a new one....
Thanks again for the info!!!!
-Ed
Have you had this machine long? That socket installed at U1 makes me think someone might have started to repair this intermittent reel error 43 before. But that's just a guess.
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Somewhat close Ken....
They will solder a new battery on there for you.
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Morning rokgpsman,
I've had the machine approximately 4 months. To my knowledge, other than replacing the battery, no repairs have been attempted.
Thanks,
-Ed
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Hello Ken,
The battery was replaced about 4 months ago....
Thanks,
-Ed
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was somewhat confused about the difference so I went and looked at several of my discarded S+ boards. there is actually two versions of the 10Meg. board that I have. the first one shows four reel chips installed and one for future growth. this board has the four big diodes near the plug installed north and south. the second board type has the reel chips shown as you have pictured, U-1 must be the growth socket for a four reel machine, don't ever recall or did I ever see a 5 reel S+ machine, not to say they didn't exist. I know there were some four reel machines, Buzz had two of them. The diodes on this board are installed east and west of the connector. both boards have different number for the reel chips. So, your board is a newer version, and only have three reel chips installed. you would have to trace the outputs to match the pin outs going to the motherboard to determine which chip runs which reel.
Jim
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Jim,
That's a lot of good information. I'm going to have to look at the board while I read and learn from your post!!!!
I appreciate your time....
-Ed
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I'm looking at a used MPU. Can I install it on my existing metal tray? Also, it does not have the Game Prom and the Reel prom. Can I use mine from my current board?
Some of the components are facing different directions, but other than that, they seem to be the same board.
I have included a picture of mine and the other one. I would appreciate your help!!!!
Thanks,
-Ed
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I rotated my board (Image 296), so they are both the same direction for comparison.
Thanks again,,,,
-Ed
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Well that didn't rotate correctly,,,,
Sorry....
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yes, you will want to move your 2 chips (Reel and Game prom chips) from the old board to the new board. Also, if the replacement mpu board has an old battery you may want to move the new battery you just bought for the old mpu. The replacement mpu should fit on your old metal mpu tray. The boards are often sold without the tray and mpu power transformer. The boards are equivalent, one is probably a little older than the other and things were placed slightly different. I'd recommend you keep the old mpu, you may come across someone that will repair it for you down the road. Where are you located?
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Hello rokgpsman,,,,
I want to thank you for this information.... I now feel a little more comfortable buying the board.
Also, I'm located in central Oklahoma.
Thanks again,,,,
-Ed
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Not to drive anyone batty.... but only my 16MHz mpu's have the socket at the U1 location,
although there ARE a few different versions of the 10MHz boards.
I suspect IGT had these boards assembled at a few different places back in the 80's.
Some were made in Nevada in the states, some were probably put together in Mexico.
I'll even bet some were put together overseas as well, judging by the different reel driver chips I see on several of my S+ mpu's.
For everyone's information, I was never really able to solve to mystery of the reel drivers
and what exact IC components cause the reel errors - it is extremely difficult to troubleshoot.
Because of this, I now have about 40 bloody boards collecting dust on the shelves.... :arrowthruhead:
I hope to solve this mystery soon tho....as stubborn as I am, I've reached out for help. :24:
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Now that's scary Stayouttadabunker!!!! I sure hope I'm getting the right board....
I do appreciate the info though....
Thanks,,,,
-Ed
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from what I understand the 16mhz mpu boards will also work in your machine, they were designed to offer some features that the prev ver mpu didn'f have. But many people report that the 16mhz mpu causes annoying noise in the sound, so you may be better off staying with the older style mpu. The easy way to know which board it is, there is no volume control on the 16mhz boards, they control sound level thru the Test button menus.
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Okay, thanks rokgpsman,,,,
I'm feeling even better about my purchase now!!!!
Thanks again,,,,
-Ed
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Well I installed the new board and got the 43 code again.... I took reel number 3 out of another machine and installed it in the Red, White and Blue and no error. So, I guess I have a bad reel. Do I have to replace the reel or do you think can it be repaired?
Now I'm wondering if the MPU board was bad at all....
Thanks,
-Ed
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It never hurts to have an extra mpu board anyway.
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True, true erbs!!!!
Thanks,
-Ed
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Did you ever switch reel 3 with reel 2 to see if 43 changed to 42? Did you put your suspect bad reel in your other machine? Did it still give error. If not, it may have been a bad connection all along.
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I thought he interchanged reels #2 and #3 some time back and the error 43 still happened, leading to the thought that the mpu was bad. But this is a long thread so I may be getting it mixed up with another one.
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Yes, very long thread. I did not feel like reading back thru again. I know how difficult the plug on the bottom of reel 3 can be. Possible he never had it seated all the way or cocked in previous attempts.
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Sorry everyone for the confusion and long thread.
Update!!!!!!!! I received and installed the new MPU board in machine (#1), again, received code 43.
>I then took another reel from my other machine (#2), placed it in the machine (#1) with the new MPU and the 43 code was gone.
>I took the reel I replaced in machine (#!), put it in the other machine (#2) and received code 43....
Now I suppose I need another reel....
Again I apologize for the confusion.
Should I open another thread concerning the replacement or repair of the reel?
-Ed
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Can you post a photo of the bad reel, looking in at the circuit board that controls the reel?
Not sure if the forum moderator will want to move this to a new thread since you are still dealing with the original question about the error 43. When you swapped the reels earlier back when it was first suggested the error still happened, right?
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The error still happened, yes. However, it seems the new MPU corrected that issue.
Now everything points to a bad reel.
For example, when I take the reel I replaced in the machine with the new MPU, and place it in my other machine in reel slot 3, I get error code 43. I then place the same reel in slot 2, I get error code 42. I'm thinking it indicates a bad reel?
I'm not really sure what photo or angle your speaking of. Sorry rokgpsman
-Ed
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I was wanting to get a look at the circuit board that is part of the reel assembly. There should be a part on it called an "optic" sensor. That part sometimes gets dusty and cleaning it might fix the problem. If you can post a photo of the reel assy circuit board we can maybe see and show you the optic sensor, you could try cleaning it with a q-tip or something similar. Also, any elec contacts or pins might be tarnished, you could try cleaning & shining them with a pencil eraser. So if you can post a couple of photos of the bad reel assembly from different angles that would be good.
Yes, usually when a machine gives an error 41, 42 or 43 (indicates a problem with reel #1, #2, and #3) the first thing to try is to swap the reel in the error position with one of the other reels. If the error code changes to a different 4X number then you know the reel is the problem. But if the error code stays the same then the reel is ok and the problem is the mpu board, or a connection from the reel to the machine.
The connector that connects the reel assembly to the machine has contacts that you can take a look at to be sure they are clean and not tarnished. The tarnish is a darker discoloration on the metal surface of the contacts and it interferes with the connection.
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I'll tell you what I'd like to see Ed. With the new reel in #1. Try the original board in that machine. I know it's a stretch, but there have been times when there is more than 1 problem, i.e. reel and board. This will prove you have a good or not backup board (this is something I would do myself). That will pretty much settle the 43 error code thread. We can mark this topic solved and then why don't you start a new thread (instead of me doing it) about the reel with the problem and we can get some fresh ideas and see if we can get you going. This has been an interesting and fun post to follow. Kudos to you for sticking with it and getting some resolution.
Dave
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I'm sorry rokgsman, I'm not that familiar with all the terminology. Are you speaking of the MPU or the actual reel? The MPU is a new one and that machine (#1) is now working perfectly.... I'm now working on machine (#2) which contains the reel I removed from #1 and it (#2) is now giving me the error code 41, 42, or 43, depending on which slot I place it in.
Thanks,,,,
-Ed
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Very good Shaggy....
I switched the boards with the same results as the beginning.... All reels began to spin with a code 43. The new MPU seemed to have fixed that issue....
I agree with marking this solved and moving on....
Let my say, I appreciate the patience and input from all the members!!!!
Where should I start the knew topic or thread concerning the replacement or repair of the faulty reel?
Thanks,,,,
-Ed
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Excellent. That's an S+ machine, this is the board to post it on. :cool_thumb_up: Just go to the top and click NEW TOPIC in the blue box.
Dave
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Thanks Dave....
I'll gather my thoughts and go or it!!!!
Thanks again,,,,
-Ed
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If you want to replace it .. $10 plus shipping.
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Thanks Ken,
What would you estimate the shipping to be to 73132?
Thanks again,,,,
-Ed
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Ed,
More than the reel. The shipping cost is $12.50 via USPS Priority Mail.
Thanks,
Ken