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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: melinn99 on April 16, 2017, 09:06:31 AM
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Don't worry about it, just a learning experience about your machine. Post a photo of your bill validator. It is probably a DBV-200 or possibly the older DBV-145. Both were made by a company called JCM and IGT used them on a lot of their machines from the S and S+ era. The DBV-200 has software updates available that will allow it to work with most of the new style bills in circulation now. So don't give up on getting the bv working. There are even good working used DBV-200 available for sale.
Below is what the DBV-200 looks like, on the bottom of it there is a circuit board that has a memory chip installed. This chip contains the DBV software that gets updated. If this chip is a normal eprom installed into a socket it is quite easy to replace. But sometimes the chip is soldered to the circuit board and that makes updating the software not as easy.
Post a photo of your bill validator and we can go from there. It should have a sticker on the top or side that gives information about it.
So, I have the DBV-200, and it looks like the chip is soldered to the board.
I have split this off into a new thread as we have gotten away from the original post that is marked Topic Solved. Shaggy
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I can flash the DBV200 but haven't done it several years. No new 5 or 100 firmware available from what I think I remember.
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At this point I am not even getting lights on the bill validator, except the diagnostic lights on the board, no lights on duckbill or feed area. It does cycle at startup though. Not sure if I still do need to get the set/clear chip.
I'm also getting a 3100 error whenever I set it to cash and it pays out, always get an extra coin paid out, I guess I need to clean the sensors or check the break, according to the error code.
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At this point I am not even getting lights on the bill validator, except the diagnostic lights on the board, no lights on duckbill or feed area. It does cycle at startup though. Not sure if I still do need to get the set/clear chip.
I'm also getting a 3100 error whenever I set it to cash and it pays out, always get an extra coin paid out, I guess I need to clean the sensors or check the break, according to the error code.
There is a way you can press the TEST button inside the machine and get into the setup menu. One of the menu settings will tell you if the bill validator is enable or disabled. If it is disabled you will need the SET chip to enable it. One of the folks here familiar with how this is done can give you the details.
Your photo shows the DBV dipswitches all set to OFF. I think this is correct, except I'm not sure about switch #10. A chart I saw said that dipswitch #10 OFF is for ID-023 and if it is set to ON it is for ID-022. You could try setting it to ON and then reinstall the DBV into machine, power up and see what happens. I think it should accept the $1 bill no matter how old your DBV software is since the $1 bill never got changed. The ID-022 and -023 is the communication method that the DBV uses to talk to the mpu board. Maybe it is possible your mpu uses ID-022, but others here can say for sure about that.
The 3100 error is a hopper coin error. It can happen if the coins that are paid out don't get counted correctly by the coin counter (an optic sensor or mechanical switch) or if there is a coin jam. Here is a helpful IGT S+ error code table:
http://www.ohiogamingslots.com/error_codes (http://www.ohiogamingslots.com/error_codes)
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I'm also getting a 3100 error whenever I set it to cash and it pays out, always get an extra coin paid out, I guess I need to clean the sensors or check the break, according to the error code.
melin99.....Let's stick with the DBV 200 issues and then start a new thread for the 3100 error. It gets too confusing for answers when we have 2 different topics running in the same post. Or start a second thread now and we can get answers to both questions at the same time in two different places. Thank you.
Dave
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melin99.....Let's stick with the DBV 200 issues and then start a new thread for the 3100 error. It gets too confusing for answers when we have 2 different topics running in the same post. Or start a second thread now and we can get answers to both questions at the same time in two different places. Thank you.
Dave
Sorry, I know, I'm a noob....
I'm gotten in the setup menus and from what I am read I am looking for 9-0 or 9-1, but I am getting confused with all the numbers. I see the coins played go up to 8 and then start over at 0 when I turn the key. I need to search the forums more for the correct sequence to get there correctly.
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We've all done it when new. You just get better and more answers when each post stays specific. People who don't really know much or anything about DBV 200s, aren't going to look at that post to answer a question about a 3100 error. It actually works in your favor to have the new post. And you're not limited to the number of posts you have running. You'll get the hang of it. :cool_thumb_up:
Dave
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Do you know what the SP or game chip number is that's in your machine. If you don't know, you can open the door turn the machine on and push the white test button until the number 4 shows in the coins played window. Then 2 sets of numbers will flash and one will be the SPchip and the other, the SS or reel chip. We can check to make sure you are looking at the right numbers.
Dave
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Do you know what the SP or game chip number is that's in your machine. If you don't know, you can open the door turn the machine on and push the white test button until the number 4 shows in the coins played window. Then 2 sets of numbers will flash and one will be the SPchip and the other, the SS or reel chip. We can check to make sure you are looking at the right numbers.
Dave
05 1271
00 4655
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If I keep pushing the test button to 9, it flashes 9 then 0, with 0 0, which I think means that I need the set chip to turn it on.
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Correct
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My thinking says you are right, a 9-1 means bv enabled, a 9-0 means disabled.
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So if I am reading the list of codes right, 1271 is the SP chip that I have and in the list of chips it shows this
SP1271 Type 0,1,4,5,19 10MHz, ID023, SET088/89/90/91/101/102/116/121 $0.01/0.05, 9 Paylines - SAS EFT - does NOT support SAS Bonusing
This machine doesn't have 9 paylines, it only has one, though it does have a jump feature where if certain bars show below the payline, it jumps to the payline.
Is this the right one? Does that mean I can use any of those set chips listed?
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This machine doesn't have 9 paylines, it only has one, though it does have a jump feature where if certain bars show below the payline, it jumps to the payline.
Is this the right one? Does that mean I can use any of those set chips listed?
Your Louisiana Louie machine is a Type 5 (nudging) game. The "9 Paylines" part of the SP chip listing just indicates that the SP chip supports up to 9 paylines -- earlier SP chips did not. SP1271 is a great chip for your single line game.
Yes, you can use any of the listed SET chips to enable the bill validator. SET090 is a pretty common one and should be easy to find, and will do everything you'll need in a home environment. A SET015 will likely work, too, but I'd go for a SET090 if given the choice.
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I can flash the DBV200 but haven't done it several years. No new 5 or 100 firmware available from what I think I remember.
So I have seen where I could order a newer chip. My board looks to have a newer style soldered on chip, but the holes are there for the other bigger chip. I could remove this chip and order a new chip, or a socket and chip, and replace what is there too right.
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If you do flash the dbv it will only be as good as the next money change.
Many people leave their home machines setup for 0.25 or $1 but set their dbv for 1c.
This way when you put in a $1 bill you get 100 credits. Plenty for home use.
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I may not mess with the chip. I guess if they ever change the 1$ bill then we are all hosed. Nobody has figured out how to get their hands on the code to update it further, or does anyone make a different head that has been updated?
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The DBV200, WBA11/12/13 have all been updated for other protocols.
The S+ is protocol 22/23 and IGT stopped paying for JCM to create new code for this protocol.
http://am-en.jcmglobal.com/support/downloads/software-protocols/ (http://am-en.jcmglobal.com/support/downloads/software-protocols/)
I have in the past found a protocol convertor which would allow you to use a validator designed for the S2000 (24 ??) and have that send the necessary information to the S+ in 22 format. The guy that posted the YouTube Video about this never did reply to my email.
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So if I am reading the list of codes right, 1271 is the SP chip that I have and in the list of chips it shows this
SP1271 Type 0,1,4,5,19 10MHz, ID023, SET088/89/90/91/101/102/116/121 $0.01/0.05, 9 Paylines - SAS EFT - does NOT support SAS Bonusing
This machine doesn't have 9 paylines, it only has one, though it does have a jump feature where if certain bars show below the payline, it jumps to the payline.
Is this the right one? Does that mean I can use any of those set chips listed?
Since your machine uses ID-023 this might be of interest to you. This DBV-200 eprom updates the DBV-200 to accept most but not all current bills. You could buy a good working DBV-200 that has an eprom socket, then install this chip into it. Or possibly mod your DBV to remove that flash rom and install a socket and this eprom. Or contact Ken and see how much it would cost you to get your DBV-200 flashed to the latest software possible. I wouldn't be too worried about the US updating their paper money for quite a while, there have been no announcements about doing that, and the wheels of gov't move slowly.
http://jjslots.com/JCM-DBV-200-Upgrade-Chip-V261-ID023-IGT-dbv261.htm (http://jjslots.com/JCM-DBV-200-Upgrade-Chip-V261-ID023-IGT-dbv261.htm)
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I found this site that says they have a chip that supports the new 5$ bill. Several people have said that this didn't exist.
http://www.8linesupply.com/p/jcm-dbv-200-sh-new-5-currency-update.html (http://www.8linesupply.com/p/jcm-dbv-200-sh-new-5-currency-update.html)
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I found this site that says they have a chip that supports the new 5$ bill. Several people have said that this didn't exist.
[url]http://www.8linesupply.com/p/jcm-dbv-200-sh-new-5-currency-update.html[/url] ([url]http://www.8linesupply.com/p/jcm-dbv-200-sh-new-5-currency-update.html[/url])
Keep in mind that the software has to be ID-023 protocol for your machine. JCM DBV-200 bill validators are used in lots of different equipment, including bill breaker machines, arcade games, etc and each one uses whatever communication protocol (that's the ID-XXX) that the equipment mfr specifies. So this software update you found could be for something other than the ID-023 you need for your IGT S+ slot machine. You can contact them and ask if it is compatible with your IGT S+ slot machine, but don't assume it does unless they say it is.
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Since your machine uses ID-023 this might be of interest to you. This DBV-200 eprom updates the DBV-200 to accept most but not all current bills. You could buy a good working DBV-200 that has an eprom socket, then install this chip into it. Or possibly mod your DBV to remove that flash rom and install a socket and this eprom. Or contact Ken and see how much it would cost you to get your DBV-200 flashed to latest software. I wouldn't be too worried about the US updating their paper money for quite a while, there have been no announcements about doing that, and the wheels of gov't move slowly.
[url]http://jjslots.com/JCM-DBV-200-Upgrade-Chip-V261-ID023-IGT-dbv261.htm[/url] ([url]http://jjslots.com/JCM-DBV-200-Upgrade-Chip-V261-ID023-IGT-dbv261.htm[/url])
I actually bought the Set90 chip from them this afternoon. I saw it. Still thinking about it. I can get the socket for .89 at Fry's, and that chip, or I can get someone to flash it for $15 and pay for shipping both ways.
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There is an update for the $5 for protocol 23. It was a limited release for the overseas market.
It was not known to be in the wild.
Per my earlier post the DBV200 was updated for all new money for other protocols.
I would double check that it is for Protocol 23. If so that is cool. For $5 buy the chip and then find a DBV head that takes socketed chips.
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Removing the flash chip from your DBV-200 and then soldering in a new socket is not impossible, it was written-up years ago on the old NLG site and some people did it. But it isn't what I'd call an easy project either. You'd need to be confident in your board working skill. It isn't likely that another newer software update will ever come out, so you could solder the eprom to the board without installing a socket. But as you say the cost of the socket is small. The difficult part of the mod is removing the flash chip without damaging the board.
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Yeah, its definitely a concern. Changing the battery on the MPU was easy, but this is a bit more complicated. I would go the socket route to protect the chip. That way I am not putting heat on the chip.
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Realistically, I'm sure you could obtain a working DBV-200 head that already has a socketed chip for fairly little money. There isn't a huge demand for them these days.
I would suspect that the DBV upgrade being sold at the link you provided earlier is not the 022/023 protocol software, which is what is needed for your S+ machine.
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Have you used the SET chip to enable your bill validator, and if so, does it work ok with a $1 bill? You don't want to order a software update eprom or do other work to it if it isn't a good working unit. I would prove that the bv works or doesn't work with a $1 bill, then go from there.
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Here is the thread referenced.
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=594.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=594.0)
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It used to work, before the battery died and I replaced it. I ordered a set chip and am waiting for it to come in. I won't do anything else to it until I verify that it is still working.
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It used to work, before the battery died and I replaced it. I ordered a set chip and am waiting for it to come in. I won't do anything else to it until I verify that it is still working.
Hopefully the SET chip will let you enable the dbv and it will work like it did before. Maybe the battery going dead caused the dbv to be disabled in the settings menu.
What bills did you use with it back when it was working? If it is still working now but needs new software I think the simplest thing to do is to send it out for flash software updating. After that you will likely never need to get it updated again, since there won't be any newer software released in the future that you could have installed. That's a lot less risky than soldering on the dbv circuit board yourself. just my opinion...
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When it was last in use it was unable to read any of the new colored money. The sticker on it says v2.40-04-03
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Your DBV stopped working due to the 65-3 error.
When you got the error 12 (battery low) the cmos got corrupted.
There are two cmos chips. One on the mother board (fixed board that the May plugs into) and the other is on the MPU board (the removeable one). The two chips need to match. When you get a battery low for an extended period of time the cmos memory degrades due to low power.
When the new battery came in. You got the 65-3; when that is cleared one of the cmos' was basically reformatted. Subsequently the 61-1 came up which is the same error you get with a game change.
I am confident the SET chip will get the BV back to where it was.
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Yes, it was probably about 4 years since it was used regularly and was sitting in the garage since I moved. I tried working on it about a year or so ago but didn't have the time to research the issues then. I've had it for almost 11 years. I'm not sure how old the battery was. It does have 04-04 on it, so I am not sure if that means April 2004. So, it was likely in a degraded state for some time. I'm sure the set chip will get it back to where it was. Whether I remove the flash chip and replace with eprom I'm not sure yet, but it would be nice.
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So I got a set chip in. I ordered a set90 chip, and they sent me a set15 instead. It isn't what I ordered, but it should work to get the BV going. Anyway, I kind of expected it to come with instructions, but it didn't. I'm sure there are instructions in the download section, and I made a donation to the site but haven't been granted access yet. I know I have to pull a chip and replace it with this one, and then go to nine and enable the BV, and then save it, and then swap the chips again. But just want to make sure I don't miss anything. Anyone have instructions for using the chip?
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Here's a link to b/v setup.
Dave
http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/dbv.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/dbv.htm)
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Thanks. I searched the site for using set chip and couldn't find it. I was able to use the set15 chip and turn the bv back on, so now my machine is working as it was when I got it, in all respects. Thank you to everyone that has assisted me in this.
I haven't decided yet if I want to upgrade the bv to the latest code, but it is kind of limited being only able to read one dollar bills.
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Did you see this posting for DBV-200 for S+ ? I think the 022/023 ver 2.60 software was the last or next to last update that was released, so it should work with several of the bills currently in circulation.
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=15756.msg84186#msg84186 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=15756.msg84186#msg84186)
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The latest version I use is 2.61.
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My Double Diamonds machine. Having issues with the DBV-200 bill acceptor. No light on the front of the machine and two red lights on the bill acceptor board. I have upgraded it and do have the set chip. After upgrading a several years ago and using the set chip, everything was working good. Then one day, the bill validator just quit lighting up and would not accept any form of bills.
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Try re-seating the cash can.