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**Video Poker, Keno, Slots, 21** Gaming machines => IGT PE and PE Plus Poker Games => Topic started by: Nurbo on October 26, 2017, 12:12:31 AM
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Hello,
A friend of mine owns a PE + with this error:
CALL ATTENDANT
CMOS DATA
DOOR OPEN
He tried to restart the machine with the test button by pressing and holding for several seconds, as some describe it, but the DOOR OPEN message never goes away.
He assumes that the optics are out of order.
Is it possible to shunt the optic on a PE + as it is workable on IGT S2000? :Scratch-Head:
I did not find any messages while talking.
Thank you ! :thank_you:
Nurbo
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If all the other messages have disappeared, and the door open remains, try playing the game, the door open message usually remains until the first game is played. secondly, he should be able to access the test screens, I believe the one screen will show all zero's for the active inputs, when you press a button,that zero should change to a 1, you can test the door optic in the same fashion, when the door is closed and latched it should toggle back and forth.
the optics are the same as used on an S+ machine.
hope this helps
Jim
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Thank you for your answer Jim.
However, the machine remains on this screen. It is impossible to start a game.
I will see the machine tomorrow, I will try to make a ram clear.
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Is the mpu battery dead? That's easy to check.
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Sorry, I forgot to say it, but the battery has been changed. :yes:
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with the door open you should be able to press the white button and enter the test menus, if all ease fails a clear never hurts, you will have to set your settings again, they typically will go back to a default setting. plus you will need a set chip to turn on the bill unit if the machine has one.
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Sorry, I forgot to say it, but the battery has been changed. :yes:
When you replaced the battery did you have any difficulty unsoldering or removing it? Sometimes when someone removes the battery they will accidentally break a circuit board trace that goes to one of the solder pads for the battery. So even though the battery is good the battery voltage is not getting to the cmos ram chip.
My understanding is that the cmos error you are seeing is typically due to no battery voltage getting to the cmos ram chip, or a bad cmos ram chip. When you press and hold the white TEST button the machine writes the contents of the eeprom security chip to the cmos ram on the mpu so they will match. After that, whenever the machine is powered-up the mpu checks to see if the security eeprom and the cmos ram data match, they should if the battery is keeping the cmos chip alive. If the data does not match then the cmos error occurs.
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If the "Door Open" message does not go away when the door is closed, you will never get past that screen, nor can you enter the self-test menus. If it's a slant top or bartop machine, ensure that the belly door is in place and closed, as well as the main hatch door. If all the doors are closed and the Door Open message remains, you will likely need to replace the door optics.
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Hello,
The MPU was tested on a working machine...and the OPEN DOOR message go away !!!!
So, we conclued that optic on the machine are bad.
Does any one can send me a pics of each optic to see the wire color...like :
Door:
red <--> black/purple
white <--> xxxx/xxxx
Cabinet:
red <--> xxxx/xxxx
white <--> xxxx/xxxx
And finally, where the rounded one goes ? Door or cabinet ?
Thank you very much !!!
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See pic on ebay .. https://www.ebay.com/itm/162707533371 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/162707533371)
white on cabinet
black on door
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Are you agree with my drawing ?
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Hello,
The machine is finally operational after repair from a professional.
The motherboard (backplane), the hopper, the optics have been changed.
The tube screen has been replaced by an LCD model.
It just remains a problem that the payment table is in Spanish (or other language, I do not know).
How to pass it in English ?
Should you change the game chip or is it adjustable in a menu ?
Thank you.
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I think the language used in the game is controlled by the game eprom, I don't remember seeing a language choice option in the setup menus. Did you press the white TEST button inside the machine and step thru the setup screens to see if the software offers another language choice? If not then I think you'll need to replace the game chips.
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According to the info I have, XP000075 is a Spanish / English set supporting ECT & SAS. Should have CG2307 graphics chips with CAPX2307 color prom and requires SET022 for DBV and ect....
So you should be able to go into the service mode and select English or Spanish.
X000588P data rom is compatible with most XP000xxx program chips so if you wish you could change out the XP000075 for something different, but ideally you'd also want to have the correct CG & CAPX combo to go with the different program ROM.
BrianT
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It just remains a problem that the payment table is in Spanish (or other language, I do not know).
How to pass it in English ?
Should you change the game chip or is it adjustable in a menu ?
Hello,
I set up your chip configuration in a MAME session, and it appears you can set it to English by doing the following steps:
- Open the door
- Press the white Self Test button near the MPU board 12 times to get to the language selection screen
(https://newlifegames.com/nlg/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi66.tinypic.com%2F27wsrgj.jpg&hash=47164735ada48d3824bbccfb6bfe6557f12656f1)
- Use the jackpot reset keyswitch on the side of the machine to change the setting from "PLAYER SELECTABLE" to "ENGLISH"
- Close the door -- the machine should now display everything in English
(https://newlifegames.com/nlg/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi63.tinypic.com%2Fmmgdgo.jpg&hash=565e9208f4821af76d3ce4a23a4fe96a195eea74)
However, I noticed that the paytable in my trial was always in English, where as yours is in Spanish. If the paytable above the cards remains in Spanish after changing the language to English, can you tell us what CG ROMs you have in your game? It's possible you have a different CG ROM combination than what I tried.
You can display the CG ROM chip number by turning the jackpot reset key 13 times when the door is closed and the machine is not in the middle of a game. The display should look like this:
(https://newlifegames.com/nlg/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi64.tinypic.com%2Fnvwpxf.jpg&hash=0abbd0157da5c70054896f4aab44794c0da73af3)
Unrelated, can you please post some pictures of the conversion from the machine to the VGA LCD monitor? I'm curious to see how they did it, as there are a few different methods out there to covert the video to VGA, and your screen looks very nice! :yes:
Also, for anyone interested, when the language was set to player selectable, it appeared to default to Spanish (which is the other option in the menu), but alternating every other time in the Game Over menu aside from the "Play 5 Credits" message (in Spanish), was this message:
(https://newlifegames.com/nlg/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi66.tinypic.com%2Frmjyu1.jpg&hash=5965e99367986a725f1e1dd1d37a8b4847692604)
Roughly translated, the bottom text says, "In Spanish? Press the blue button."
I don't know what the blue button is. I tried the "Change/service" button and nothing, also no change in the text when pressing Deal/Draw or Cash Out.
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knagl:
The reason your test in MAME was always in English is because the CG2307 set is 64K roms, English in lower 32K and Spanish in the Upper 32K. If you do the same in MAME running the set pex005pi you'll get the correct results although that test (in MAME) is using a Deuces Wild set. The pex055pi set is set up to use the XP000075 GAME program and makes use of the full 64K bilingual CG2307. I'm guessing in your test you didn't account for the larger CG roms?
However the steps you outlined will of course work on a real machine as long as the E17 jumper is made instead of E16.
BrianT
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BTW: the "blue" button would map to Play Credit. When in MAME and you set to player selectable hit the "R" key to switch back and forth.
BrianT
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Thank you all for your answers, it really helped my friend who found new menu !!! :hail: :hail: :hail:
He managed to change the background color, the maximum number of credit ... Etc. ... he really thanks you! :applause: :applause:
@Knagl, here are the different versions of his game chips:
(https://newlifegames.com/nlg/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.subaudio.org%2Fflipjuke%2FMAS%2Fchip%2520version_TH.jpg&hash=641296adb4835e23896df8c96fd0da4f8bdd4510) (http://www.subaudio.org/flipjuke/MAS/chip%20version.jpg)
And here are the pictures of his LCD montage.
(https://newlifegames.com/nlg/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.subaudio.org%2Fflipjuke%2FMAS%2FLCD-PE01_TH.jpg&hash=df6159a252d2d2fafc810ff9a1ab06a1399831e3) (http://www.subaudio.org/flipjuke/MAS/LCD-PE01.jpg)
(https://newlifegames.com/nlg/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.subaudio.org%2Fflipjuke%2FMAS%2FLCD-PE02_TH.jpg&hash=e1086e51ed79beb33edefcb4ee7406c5bbf8bba3) (http://www.subaudio.org/flipjuke/MAS/LCD-PE02.jpg)
(https://newlifegames.com/nlg/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.subaudio.org%2Fflipjuke%2FMAS%2FLCD-PE03_TH.jpg&hash=41158669e0dbdbe9774cffa1d2452ccff77ac790) (http://www.subaudio.org/flipjuke/MAS/LCD-PE03.jpg)
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Thank you all for your answers, it really helped my friend who found new menu !!! :hail: :hail: :hail:
He managed to change the background color, the maximum number of credit ... Etc. ... he really thanks you! :applause: :applause:
Hey, that's great, glad the information helped! :cool_thumb_up:
Thank you for the pictures of the VGA/LCD setup, especially the converter board. I appreciate it a lot! Do you know where he purchased that board from? Is there a website where those boards can be bought?
(https://newlifegames.com/nlg/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi68.tinypic.com%2F2e4yjxj.jpg&hash=18e672067ee20ed2b70780bf4d928d793900d64d)
:thank_you: :thank_you:
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The reason your test in MAME was always in English is because the CG2307 set is 64K roms, English in lower 32K and Spanish in the Upper 32K. If you do the same in MAME running the set pex005pi you'll get the correct results although that test (in MAME) is using a Deuces Wild set. The pex055pi set is set up to use the XP000075 GAME program and makes use of the full 64K bilingual CG2307. I'm guessing in your test you didn't account for the larger CG roms?
Yep -- I didn't even consider that possibility. That makes sense, though. Thank you, Brian! :applause:
BTW: the "blue" button would map to Play Credit. When in MAME and you set to player selectable hit the "R" key to switch back and forth.
You win the smartie award again -- that worked for me, although again since I didn't compensate for the larger CG roms, only the text at the bottom of the screen and the "Play 5 Credits" changed -- the paytable stayed in English for me. I'm sure it would work if I played it in a different set that accounts for the larger CGs.
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Thank you all for your answers, it really helped my friend who found new menu !!! :hail: :hail: :hail:
He managed to change the background color, the maximum number of credit ... Etc. ... he really thanks you! :applause: :applause:
Hey, that's great, glad the information helped! :cool_thumb_up:
Thank you for the pictures of the VGA/LCD setup, especially the converter board. I appreciate it a lot! Do you know where he purchased that board from? Is there a website where those boards can be bought?
(https://newlifegames.com/nlg/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi68.tinypic.com%2F2e4yjxj.jpg&hash=18e672067ee20ed2b70780bf4d928d793900d64d)
:thank_you: :thank_you:
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I've seen this one or something similar on Ebay..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Video-Converter-Board-CGA-EGA-YUV-RGB-TO-VGA-Arcade-Game-Monitor-to-LCD-CRT-A2/182983593302?hash=item2a9aac0d56:g:MZ0AAOSwU4FaN9gq (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Video-Converter-Board-CGA-EGA-YUV-RGB-TO-VGA-Arcade-Game-Monitor-to-LCD-CRT-A2/182983593302?hash=item2a9aac0d56:g:MZ0AAOSwU4FaN9gq)
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Thanks. Been there done that. I'm on my third one for one game. But, it's not my thread. Just looking for something different to try. :cool_thumb_up:
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Hello,
Here is what I found as information on the chip CG2430
(https://newlifegames.com/nlg/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.subaudio.org%2Fflipjuke%2FMAS%2Fpeplus-cgxxxx-files.jpg&hash=b8ece149b2f19426ddb61990b00ad8a8febda8fc)
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=pages;sa=3 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=pages;sa=3)
Can someone tell me where I can find an English version or better yet, how to pass the machine in French?
My friend has deposited his machine at a professional who does not sell his card on a website.
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To have the game in French you would need one of these two combos:
GAME program XP000064 with CG2353 & CAPX2307 or....
GAME program XP000154 with CG2452 & CAPX2307
However the trick is you need a DATA rom compatible with GAME program to have the paytables in French. I do know of some by X00xxxxP number but we (or at least I) don't have access to these DATA roms or bins. Like so much of the PE+ platform only so much was "shared" and put "out there" on the internet. I've had conversations with friends who had access to the French gambling community and was told collectors treated rom images like gold and didn't share. As a result French related files are scarce and limited. The DATA rom you have might work but the paytables would still be in French, I think.
At least here in the states the PE+ is mostly a dead platform mainly for collectors now. Not many people where willing to share their rom images for archival purposes for future generations. MAME (the emulator) does support a large number of GAME and DATA roms.
BrianT
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About the video converter board / PCB in the picture. Looks quite simple in design and traces only look to be on the under side. Most (all?) of the parts are labeled on the top side. So we could likely reproduce it, but you'd need the following:
A very high resolution photo of the top side to ID the 2 black IC chips (inverters or flip-flops?), capacitors, resisters ect
A very high resolution photo of the back side to replicate the traces.
Once the traces are mapped out, there are places on the internet you can order batches of simple PCBs like this for under $20 each. Then you need the components, chips and VGA connector & soldering iron. I'm sure there's manufacturing shops somewhere (China?) that would produce the whole piece for a good price if you could get so many orders done. You could probably order 100 and what we didn't divide up here you could put on eBay and break even. I know lots of guys who do this kind of thing to replicate rare, fragile or obsolete parts for arcade boards they own. It's actually common in the retro computing fields as well.
BTW: This professional that did the conversion did basically the same thing or he designed it and had it manufactured.
BrianT
NOTE: The bracket to mount the monitor to the door is another custom you'll need to take into account as well.