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Bill Validators, Currency Acceptors and Printers => JCM WBA 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 20, 21, 22, and 23 Bill Validators => Topic started by: puckhead on July 12, 2016, 03:56:20 PM
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i have an s plus that appears to have been messed with a lot. the BV power supply was missing. i put one in and the BV , wba13 , was dead, not even cycle on start up. my unit from my s2000 would cycle, but not work ( id 24) . i bought a wba13 head /transport , tested , and marked as ID 23. it cycles, but rejects bills, and the front panel light never lights. the mpu has been enabled , 9-1. there is a 3 wire plus coming out of the BV harness that goes nowhere and i dont see anyplace to put it. could that be it? the two cables from the power supply are hooked up. there is a 4 wire plus with 2 wires in it plugged into another 4 wire plus with two wires. those wires run over to the front door. all the dips are off. i put the BV into my s2000 just to see, and got a BV comm error which i guess is expected, as its looking for an id 24
thanks
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The 3 wire connector is not used. Try swapping the head. Any US WBA head will interchange regardless of ID.
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the head from my s2000 will work in my s plus, and vis a versa? isnt the id # programmed in the head?
ps- i forgot the pics. even though the 3 wire isnt used, i'll upload them anyway
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The flash or eprom is on the PCB in the transport not the head.
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i should have known that, thanks. i swapped heads. the swapped head worked in my s2000, my s2000 head didnt work in my s plus. i also put the orig head from the s plus in my s2000 and it worked, so only the orig s plus transport was bad. at this point what am i looking at? bad BV harness? can i test the mpu to see if it sees the BV? could it be a power supply issue where there is 12 for the transport but no 5v for the head? do wba's have leds like the dvb's? i'm really getting in the weeds here now :)
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Your connections appear to be correct. I do not have an S plus machine to reference, only S2000s. You stated the BV is enabled. Is the denom properly set? You lost me on the LED question. Do you mean the lighted door bezel? I could not tell you if the power supply is good or not.
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If they are both wba13's you can swap the eproms on the transport to try the known good one on the S+
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Is the S+ activated ?
You need a Set Chip to activate the S+ bill validator.
You can change heads until your blue in the face if its not activated its not taking bills.
Also if your credit limit is too low (set within the game chip) it won't accept a lot of credits and just reject the bill (far less likely).
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its activated and wont take a bill when it has zero credits
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Mike, here are a few things to re check. what is the SS and SP chip you are using? do you have a set of the S+ diagnostic flip cards ( in downloads).
your three connections look correct, the four wire connector is the receive and transmit signals to the cpu board, they hook up via the large connector that comes off the power supply, that connector goes down to the mother board connector J-6 . the two pin connector provides 13 vdc to the WBA , the other two wire connector provides the signal to turn on the yellow bezel lamps on the front door.
make sure the denom lamp works, it should turn on as soon as you apply power to the machine, you can use this to check the two bulbs in the bezel on the front door, if the bulbs are good and they won't come on , use test #27_0 input test (flip cards) this should turn on the lamp bezel, if they still don't come on, measure the voltage at that two pin connector (black and white wire) should have +5vdc, if that there, then you could have a bad bezel board (sometimes the big transistor is missing from the board or it bad.
make sure the unit is enabled (9_1) and you have set a denomination, also check test #7 (flipcards) one sets the max hopper payout and the second value sets the bill credit.
when the unit accepts the bill, does the insert coin flash, then the bill is returned? if so , then you SP chip is ID 022 instead of Id 023, flip Dip switch #2 to change the IDO setting.
check these things out and post the results. lastly, don't go swapping heads between units, I have calibrated the head to that unit to maximize acceptance, when you start swapping heads you could affect that.
Jim
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i have the flip cards, but still have to fully understand them. i went to the BV bezel test, and they did not light. i did a ram clear and set up the BV, that went well. it takes quarters no problem. if i insert a bill, it does flash the insert coin light. i set dip 2 to on, and it does the same thing, rejects the bill and flashes the insert coin light. if there are credits on the game, the max bet button will blink twice. the chip is a 731, the reel chip has no label on it. both look to be burned eproms.
hair puller
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If the game plays with coins it is not a problem with the chips. Does the validator actually take the bill in and then reject it, or does it not even take the bill to read it?
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takes in bills, holds them a bit, then back out.
i previously posted:
if i insert a bill, it does flash the insert coin light. i set dip 2 to on, and it does the same thing, rejects the bill and flashes the insert coin light. if there are credits on the game, the max bet button will blink twice. the chip is a 731, the reel chip has no label on it. both look to be burned eproms.
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What is the coin denom set at (option 6)?
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i believe 25 cent. that what i set the bv up for. how to i get to option 6 to verify?
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since you have a 731 chip it is user friendly, meaning you can use the buttons to go through the menus, bet 1 will advance the menus, bet max will reverse the menus, when you get to a menu you can use the service button to advance through that menu.
the coin played number indicates the menu you are in, example, #3 in the coins played window is the hopper test, when you press the spin button it will turn on the hopper and count out ten coins.
the denomination test is #6 in the coins played window, the handle solenoid will lock in [place and the number you set should be in the winner paid window, if you press the spin button the number will not change, if it does, then it is not set .
what is the bill credit limit set on? test#7 second number.
Jim
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Are you sure your transport is IDO22/23? Did the supplier specifically say it was ido22/23? Just for kicks, swap the entire transport/head mech into your s2000 to see if it works, if it does, then you have the wrong software on the validator. Also on your SP Chip, your credit limit is equal to your hopper limit which is setup using the dip switches on the mpu board. There should be a chart on the tray that indicates the switch positions and what they mean.
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i did try it in the s2000, no communication error, so its 22/23. i'll look at the dips
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1,2,3 are on, the rest off. is that correct?
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I don't remember which way is which for off and on but I think the switches are suppose to be down for in service.
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On my S+ all switches are facing the same way, off.
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i turned all the dips off, no help
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bill acceptor credit limit seems to be set at 300. coins played 7, 300 in the credits window. still doesnt take bills. hols the bill about 2 seconds, insert coins light flashes 2, rejects bill
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Wait, coins played 7? If the bill acceptor has a credit limit of 300 and you have 300 credits in the credit window, that would explain why it is not taking the bills. play the game to reduce the credits below 300, like 290 then put a dollar in the acceptor.
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I sent him the WBA, it is flashed for S+ IDO22 & 023, It was calibrated and bench tested, it was put in a machine and tested, it will accept all new monies except the new 100 dollar bill. that includes the new five.
its hard to try and help someone when they won't answer the questions you ask, these are important questions, to try and determine what isn't set right.
with those flip cards, you can test every switch, light bulb, every function of that machine and know for a fact what is what. in the CP (coin Played) window test the last information show is the status of the dip switches, the first 4 are shown in the winner paid window and the last four are shown in the credits window. the first four should be on or all 1111 0000 in that test.
Jim
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i'm trying to answer the questions. i find it hard to grasp how to navigate the tests and menus. i havent found a helpful guide on how to do it. i have the flip cards, but they dont explain how to get from one play to another. i guess when you have been at it a long time, its easy, for a newbie its not
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Rons simplified options sheet should help.
It's in the download section.
Even for non noobs these are helpful if you don't do it every day.
Per your issue. I recommend you work with a $1 bill.
We can figure it out from there.
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i just went to the downloads, not sure what the option sheet download is. i did download a spreadsheet with a lot of tabs, is that it.
also, ive tried 1, 10's all sorts of bills.
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if you read the psr it will explain all the functions and how to navigate through the menus. when you are going to do anything make sure there are no credits on the machine. open the door, press the white test button one time, you are now in the diagnostic (test mode). with the door ajar, the bet 1 and max bet buttons should be lit (provided that the lamps are good). now each time you press the bet 1 button , you should watch the coins played (CP in flip card column) window and the Winner paid(WP) and Credits windows for numbers. example, press max bet button until you see a 5_0 or 1 or 2 in the WP window and a 0 in the CP window, now each time you press the service button (or change button) it will go to the next item, in this case 6_0, the flip cards will explain what function that is and what it is set at, next would be 7_0, etc. until you run through the entire list, which would end in the status of the dip switches. each time you press the bet 1 button it will advance to the next test, in this case a 1 in the CP window, this is the input test, it has a list of functions that can be tested, press the service button to advance to the test you want to preform and execute it. if you pass one test ,just run through the list and it will go back to the beginning of that list. next press bet 1 , now a2 in the CP window, output tests, another list to run through and test, press bet1 again now a 3 in the CP window, this is the hopper test, press the spin button, hopper will turn on and count 10 coins, you can run theourh the listed tests using the CP window as your guide. if you pass a test by, you can use the bet max button to go back to the test you want to check.
this should help you get started. when you are finished testing close the door and latch and the machine will reset to the point it was before you started testing. If you want to test again, open door and repeat the process. with other SP chips you have to use the jackpot reset key to do your advancing, thats why I like the 731, because you can do everything from the button panel.
Hope this helps as a guide.
Jim
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ultra helpful, thanks
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i checked the hopper limit and credit limit . with a 7 showing in the coins played window, i have 303 in the winner paid, and then 303 in the credits window. they were at 300, i bumped up to 303 to see if it would take, it did. the bill acceptor lights up. one time out of many tries, it took a single. it accepted a 1 $ bill and gave me four credits. every other time since , the bill acceptor lights up, it takes the bill, hold it about 2 seconds, spits it back. after that the bill acceptor lights blink a couple times and it then lights up solid again. tried a 1. 10. 20 bill. clean bills.
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Change dip#2 to the opposite position.
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if you mean dip 2 on the the BV, tried that. it spits out the bill right away when you do that, doesnt hold it for 2-3 secs.
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The direction that escrows the bill for 2 or 3 seconds is the WRONG direction for that dip. So the direction that is kicking it right back is correct unfortunately, so leave it there. Your problem will be elsewhere, limits, bad transport, etc. Forgive me I didn't study the thread so if I am repeating, sorry, but some SP's require one limit to be higher than the other in order for the BA to work as well.
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How many credits do you currently have on your machine right now?
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raise the limits to 1000 in #7. the fact that it worked talking the dollar bill means everything is working as it should, you limits are too low, versus the credits.
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i raised the limits, no help. it only took the dollar once, out of probably 50 tries.
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PS- the machine has always been a zero credits. i only ran some quarters thru it, and quickly played them off.
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Exceeded 35 post limit on repair, Sell this machine as-is, buy a pachinko. :odie:
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The $1 will work even if the protocol is wrong.
Until you get this reliably accepting don't even bother with other notes.
I suspect the head needs calibration.
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i suspect the BV too. im going to try to find another s plus to test it in.
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Changing DS2 on the BV is a mistake when testing with a $1 Bill. That DS is for Enable/Disable $1
The ID DS is DS1 on the BV for this Software
Turn DS2 OFF Turn DS1 ON for ID022 OFF for ID023
Personally I would use a newer SP chip with the WBA-12/13 and 3.75 software, The ID Protocol for 731 is 2.5 Not 022/23, while I have seen both 22 and 23 work with SP731 I myself never use it, but as Jim stated he tested in a S+, I doubt the BV is the issue since the machine is accepting and holding the bill.
As Jim stated, you should set the Credits to 1,000 (on a Quarter machine)
My 2 pennies worth are, first just switch DS1 on the BV On, all others OFF (make sure to read printing on switch for On/Off)and see if still holds Bill and Rejects or Stacks and gives credits
In long run a SP772 or newer would be my opinion and in the one rare times I recommend doing a Ram Clear (and watch numbers count up) after that, suspect the Power Supply BV Comm Board
PSR and BV SW Info attached for those who doubt info
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Jim, Thanks for the information on the DS setting, I was going by the flip cards I have. I think you told me once before that they were old and and been changed. since he had a 731 in the machine, and since I tested it in a machine that had a 731, thought it would be easier to stay with it.
Hopefully, setting the DS will resolve the matter.
Jim