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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: Crash0 on October 03, 2017, 04:10:11 PM
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I am working on a Slant top and the Bill Validator will not even attempt to accept bills, I have gone through the machine, Mother Board and MPU have been replaced, fresh battery, cleared and set, DBV activated, and all settings done. The machine and DBV all cycle properly, but no matter what I do, check or fix, the DBV just will not even attempt to take a bill.
My question is the bezel for the DBV does not appear to be working, does not light up. Would this be why it will not accept bills?
I am including a couple of pics of the board. If this is why I will need to find a replacement. A 145 was in the machine and it did work, but I have put a working 200 in and it has the proper power supply(Vented)
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Was the 200 head updated AND calibrated properly?
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The 200 head came out of a working machine, had no issues with it
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The 200 head is considered universal and a DIP switch change is all that is necessary to make it work on a poker verses a slot machine.
Which one is your slant top?
The 145 head has machine specific software, in the form of a dedicated chip, to work on a poker or a slot takes a different chip.
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It is a slot machine, 5x pay using sp1271
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It is a slot machine, 5x pay using sp1271
SP1271 uses ID-023 for the bill validator, make sure the DBV-200 has ID-023 software. The machine that it came out of might have a different SP chip and use ID-022. There may be a dipswitch on the bottom of the DBV-200 so you can select either ID-022 or -023.
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I think I have tried that, but i'll check again
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Also make sure that Setup Menu 7.5 is not set to zero. That is the bill validator credit limit, usually set to the same amount as step 7.3 (credit limit).
Here's your SP1271 document:
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The dip switch was off (set to ID-023) I switched it on to try ID-022, no change. The bill limit is set to 3k, double checked validator, it is turned on in settings.
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My question is the bezel for the DBV does not appear to be working, does not light up. Would this be why it will not accept bills?
The bezel light could be broken and the machine wouldn't care -- it would still accept bills regardless. In your case, I think the bezel light being out is a symptom of the problem; that the bill validator isn't ready to accept a bill.
Is there a stacker box ("cash can") properly inserted and seated?
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I did think of that, I tried several other cash cans from my working machines, The result has been the same in each case.
Remove and reseat, Unit cycles normally
Remove and replace, Unit cycles normally
No change from original condition.
I have been :banghead: over a week on this.
I know the validator worked before on this machine, we just took it out of the game room to make more room for other machines about 6-7 months ago.
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just some ideas, you've probably been over these but just in case,,,
Since you did a ram CLEAR process is there a setting in the Test/Setup menu that was changed by the CLEAR that affects the bill validator? Is there an engage lever on the side of the BV that is pushed firmly downward? Are the security switches around the bill validator and cash can bypassed (wires removed and twisted together)? If the cash can has a hole thru it and uses an optical security setup are those optics working ok?
If the BV won't even pull in a bill I think that is a clue. Even if it is enabled by the SET chip something else is telling it to not accept bills.
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Is there a switch on the door that you open to get to the cash can?
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The unit will always cycle when power is first applied, even if it is not enabled by the 9_1 setting. Did you set the denomination value when you enabled the bill unit? there is a cherry switch that will sense when the bill unit door is closed. if everything is as you described, then I would trace the wiring that goes back to the motherboard, make sure it is plugged into the right connector, if that is good, I would replace the power supply unit with the one from the working 145 unit, just temporary, there are two functions to the power supply, two boards inside the housing, one is to provide 12vdc to the bill unit and the other is to provide an interface to talk to the cpu, I have seen this board go bad.
Jim
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I have tried a couple of other power supplies, same result. The denom is set to .25. cherry switch is hooked up and working.
When I changed the motherboard, I inspected the connectors and pins, all appear to be ok, and plugged back into its proper slots.
I have also checked connections to Power supplies, as well as door switches main and cash.
As far as the cash can optic, I am not sure. How would I test this?
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If your machine uses optics on the cash can they work similar to how the door optics work. One side is the infrared transmitter, the other side is the receiver. It is also like the infrared security setup at the bottom of a garage door. If the beam of light is blocked or unblocked the machine knows the cash can has been removed or is installed. The optics are aligned so they can "see" each other. Does your machine have this type of security setup? Some just use a switch instead, and when the cash can is inserted properly the switch activates.
One way to test the optics is to swap them out with good parts. Some say you can see the infrared light from the optic transmitter with a camera, the optic's emitted light will glow and you can see it while looking thru the camera. You can also inspect the optic parts to see if a wire is broken or if they are misaligned and no longer pointing to each other.
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You can test the bezel light and also maybe get a hint as to where the issue is with one of the self-test options. Page 2 option 26 is the bill validator output test. It's been quite a while since I've used that, but if I recall correctly the bezel lights up and the validator may be active to accept a bill during that test (I really don't know that last part for sure, though). If it tries to accept a bill when that test is active, it would point to something in the software configuration.
As far as the bill credit limit, you told us that was set high enough. What about the regular credit limit? What is that set to? Also, for kicks, I'd set the hopper limit to something decent right now, too.
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to test the cash can optics, just remove the cash can, if the optics are working, it will start to cycle, probably around twelve times, looking for and trying to reset the cash can. if it doesn't do this then something isn't right.
input test # 27 will turn on the bezel lamps and usually it will accept a bill, hold it , then return it.
Jim
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Ok with the cash can removed, it did cycle numerous times.
Input test validator did take bill and then returned it, did not hold it long.
Output test Bezel working
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may as well check the head, this is the stand alone test, use the machine and black power supply for a power source only. unplug the connector on the right side of the 200 head, turn switch #6( second bank of switches) on, now apply power, turn #6 off, unit should cycle briefly, now you can insert bills into the head, it should accept them and spit them out the back. ( this is a good way to determine what bills it will take and get an idea of how the unit is flashed or what version the eprom is. if the head works, then maybe switch # 10 on the first bank of switches is not properly set, maybe it looks right physically, but electrically it could be different. switch 10 off is IDO 023, on is IDO 022.
Jim
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I tried the test, worked as it should, reinstalled still the same.
I have tried the the # 10 switch didn't make any difference.
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Wow - it seems that everything has been checked, maybe someone will have a brilliant thought but I'm
just about out of ideas. :Scratch-Head:
What about a bad wiring cable, bent or broken pin, broken wire, something bad in the wiring? Is it difficult to swap out the bill validator cables?
Does the machine play ok otherwise, by using coins?
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At the bottom door of the cabinet down by your feet, is the a magnet and reed switch down there on that door? The door where a coin bucket goes to catch the coins when the hopper is full..
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Does this machine accept coins?
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The machine is coinless, but the DBV was working before, and there are no errors. I inspected wires and connectors. wires look good, connectors and pins look good none bent or pushing in.
There is a magnet in the bottom, but has never been hooked up since I have owned the machine.
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Put the 145 head back in, see if it works.
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I have, the issue is identical with either head
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Again, I am asking, is there a small switch on the door that you open to get the cash can out?
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No there is no inner door like the upright machine, You just open the door on the front and cash can is there.
The door uses a cherry switch.
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Does the insert coin symbol light up? Should light even without the comparitor in the machine.
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Yes it does light up
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The machine is coinless
S+ machines were never really intended to be coinless. Is your hopper limit set to zero? For the sake of testing, please set all of your limits to a decently high amount. Based on your latest information with the self tests, it seems like this is a software programming issue, not an issue with the validator.
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yes, when the ram CLEAR process was run all the machine's settings were changed to factory default settings, so something could have changed in the Test/Setup menu settings that is causing or contributing to the problem.
Also, is there something about changing a machine to coinless operation that can affect the bill acceptor operation?
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What denomination is shown in test 6?
I have had machines where the set denom process had to be done 2 and 3 times before it actually stuck in memory.
What is your exact, step by step, procedure for setting the denom with the set chip?
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the only thing remaining would be an open door signal somewhere. close the machine up as if you we going to play it, but let the hopper door off, now with it all buttoned up except that door, reach in and see what happens when you press the white test button? see if you can get into the test diagnostics, if you can then some door is open somewhere?. is the cc-16 bracket and optics still in the machine??
Jim
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Again.
What denomination is shown in test 6?
I have had machines where the set denom process had to be done 2 and 3 times before it actually stuck in memory.
What is your exact, step by step, procedure for setting the denom with the set chip?
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The machine is coinless
S+ machines were never really intended to be coinless. Is your hopper limit set to zero? For the sake of testing, please set all of your limits to a decently high amount. Based on your latest information with the self tests, it seems like this is a software programming issue, not an issue with the validator.
Limit Settings: 7-1 Hopper = 0000
7-2 Lower Jackpot = 9999
7-3 Credit = 9999
7-4 not used
7-5 Bill acceptor 3000
yes, when the ram CLEAR process was run all the machine's settings were changed to factory default settings, so something could have changed in the Test/Setup menu settings that is causing or contributing to the problem.
Also, is there something about changing a machine to coinless operation that can affect the bill acceptor operation?
I have not noticed any difference in settings using SP1271, or Set 088 which I use for most of my machines.
The coinless part hasn't affected the DBV on any of my coinless S+'s (Which is almost all of them)
What denomination is shown in test 6?
I have had machines where the set denom process had to be done 2 and 3 times before it actually stuck in memory.
What is your exact, step by step, procedure for setting the denom with the set chip?
Denom in test 6 shows 25
I use SET 088 on most of my machines, in this case it's an SP1271.
Shut machine down remove MPU, remove the game chip and insert SET088 (facing correct position notch up)
Insert MPU back in to machine, and power up. 088 will appear on display, I press the test button until I reach 9-0, use spin button to change to 9-1. I continue to press test button until 6 appears on display I use spin button to get to the denom I want, in this case it is 25. This is the last setting on the SET088, so I hit test button to save changes. once saved 088 appears in display again. I power down machine and reinsert the game chip. I will clear the 61 codes, close the door the machine, and DBV cycle normally.
the only thing remaining would be an open door signal somewhere. close the machine up as if you we going to play it, but let the hopper door off, now with it all buttoned up except that door, reach in and see what happens when you press the white test button? see if you can get into the test diagnostics, if you can then some door is open somewhere?. is the cc-16 bracket and optics still in the machine??
Jim
Appears that there may be an open door signal. Although that would be odd, considering I can clear the 61 codes like normal. if door was open I shouldn't be able to.
CC-16 bracket and optics are not in machine.
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Slant top machine have more door and security switches than upright machines, right? Maybe one of them is causing a problem.
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Slant top machine have more door and security switches than upright machines, right? Maybe one of them is causing a problem.
As far as I know, this has had only the 2, 1 for lid, and 1 for DBV door. There is no cash can door like the uprights have.
I would have to say they have roughly the same if you include the stand on an upright
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When I run a set chip the last step is where you hold in the test button until a zero shows on the display, never heard of a 088.
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http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=11145.msg60014#msg60014 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=11145.msg60014#msg60014)
these are the settings I use when making a coinless S+
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Jim wins the golden slot award!! :applause:
It wasn't a switch, but rather a lack of power to the DBV door switch which comes from the optic on the base part of the machine.
DBV bezel lights up now, and it does draw bills in, however it holds for a few seconds then spits it back out. I'm using dollar bills to test, fresh and clean ones. I have tried switching between 022 and 023 with dip switch #10, no change. I will retry set chip to see if that does anything.
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I ended up changing the bill transport and it is working like a charm now. :applause:
Thank you everyone for your input. I'm glad that is over. :thank_you:
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What did you find was the lack of power? Bad connection or bad power supply?
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Jim wins the golden slot award!! :applause:
It wasn't a switch, but rather a lack of power to the DBV door switch which comes from the optic on the base part of the machine.
DBV bezel lights up now, and it does draw bills in, however it holds for a few seconds then spits it back out. I'm using dollar bills to test, fresh and clean ones. I have tried switching between 022 and 023 with dip switch #10, no change. I will retry set chip to see if that does anything.
Since the DBV-145 was working in this machine at one time what do you think caused the loss of power to the DBV from the optic part in the base of the machine? Did a part go bad or was there a loose connection, something else? I'm not clear on what caused the problem. Which optic are you talking about that supplies the DBV door switch with power? Can we get a photo of this?
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There was a tangled mess of jumpers that fed power from the door optic on the base of the machine this was powering the cherry switch at the DBV door. and the hopper door switch. I had unplugged them to clean up the wiring at some point and it wasn't put back correctly so it didn't supply power to DBV switch. yeah it's a weird setup.
I ended up removing switch from hopper door to reduce jumpers, when i did that I got power to the DBV door switch