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Are all privilege keys for the 3802 board keyed alike, similar to a reset key?
If so, I would like to buy one if anyone has one available.
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I think you can get that lock at hardware stores. Far as I know it's just a standard type cam lock. A mail box may work too and sometimes they're cheaper. If I'm wrong, someone else will correct me.
I'd remove that one first and bring it with you to match the length.
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Don't think so. The lock has contacts like a reset key but is not spring loaded, has to remain in the 'turned' position while making changes in the privilege mode.
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Can you post a picture showing the part of the lock where it meets the mpu board?
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Not a simple lock.
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There's no locking cam on that, so it is a keyswitch, has 2 wires connected at the rear. Looks like the actual tray lock to prevent removal of mpu would go in the empty hole next to this "privilege" keyswitch.
I would think an ordinary reset keyswitch would work. Just remove this privilege keyswitch and install a reset keyswitch that uses the 2341 key. They make reset keyswitches that do not have a spring to return-to-home position, so you can turn them and they will stay until you turn them back. It's just an open or closed type of switch, activated by the key.
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I did not know that, the only reset's I have encountered were spring loaded, thanks.
So that's what I need, should work fine. Now I need to find one.
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Back a few years ago you could get both styles of reset keyswitches from Rudy's. But I'm not sure if they are still selling parts anymore, plus I didn't see the non-spring style on their website a few minutes ago. ebay probably has them, and maybe one of the parts folks here too. If you didn't need the key operation for safety/security then you could mount any toggle ON-OFF switch in that hole. It's a little odd there is no labeling on the tray near the switch, saying something like "Privilege Mode ON" and "OFF".
Here's a couple of examples of a keyswitch that is not spring loaded, but I can't tell if it has a flat side to prevent it from twisting in the mounting hole. I suppose if it was tightened well enough that wouldn't be a problem. Also, you'd probably want to verify size of keyswitch against your tray mounting hole. If you do some searching online they are often called an ON-OFF key switch.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Set-Key-Switch-OFF-ON-Lock-Metal-Toggle-Lock-Security-KS-02-Electronic-New/401225949955?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D44757%26meid%3D8ffc24cd391d4b679e098afb47af8fe9%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222395989330 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Set-Key-Switch-OFF-ON-Lock-Metal-Toggle-Lock-Security-KS-02-Electronic-New/401225949955?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D44757%26meid%3D8ffc24cd391d4b679e098afb47af8fe9%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222395989330)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5Pcs-Key-Switch-ON-OFF-Lock-KS-02-KS02-Electronic-With-Keys/282284390040?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D44757%26meid%3D9c0e5da28ab24bd1acb4c97ebb7286dd%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D401225949955 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/5Pcs-Key-Switch-ON-OFF-Lock-KS-02-KS02-Electronic-With-Keys/282284390040?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D44757%26meid%3D9c0e5da28ab24bd1acb4c97ebb7286dd%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D401225949955)
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Here's a low-cost ON-OFF keyswitch from Mouser that is not spring-loaded, it has the flat sides and is less than $3 (plus shipping). If you look at their datasheet it covers several models, the part number I saw that looks like it would work fine electrically (you'd want to verify the physical size for the hole it goes in) is KO131 but there are probably others.
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/E-Switch/KO131A102/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMt3hSNP33T8%2fOcZFSqxE%252bkScVm2lLs2hnI%3d (http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/E-Switch/KO131A102/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMt3hSNP33T8%2fOcZFSqxE%252bkScVm2lLs2hnI%3d)
(click to enlarge)
(https://s22.postimg.org/mt53ygxrl/KO131.jpg)
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How lucky am I? Went and looked at some machines that I haven't looked at yet and there in an older Game King is just what I needed, just hadn't gotten around to shopping it out yet to notice it.
:thank_you:
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How lucky am I? Went and looked at some machines that I haven't looked at yet and there in an older Game King is just what I needed, just hadn't gotten around to shopping it out yet to notice it.
:thank_you:
You mean it had the key that fit, or a key and a keyswitch that will work? I'm still wondering about your original question, if all of these type machines used the same key for that switch.
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Some software for the 3802 did not use a keychip (17 or 22 even 5). You had to open the door, press the test switch to enter the
operator menu, turn the key to the extra lock to enter the keychip or 'privilege' menu. My original question was, were all privilege
locks keyed the same, like reset keys, or did each operator have their own individual key.
When the key was turned, it had to stay in that position to stay in the privilege menu.
I found a reset lock on an old game king that was not spring loaded, so I put it in the 3802 board to use as the privilege lock.
Works.
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You could just use an automotive toggle switch in its place and never worry about a key. At least that is what I would do.
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Yes, that would work.
I see that you have some PSR's available. Do you have G176, Wheel of Fortune?
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Yes I do. Here it is.
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Some software for the 3802 did not use a keychip (17 or 22 even 5). You had to open the door, press the test switch to enter the
operator menu, turn the key to the extra lock to enter the keychip or 'privilege' menu. My original question was, were all privilege
locks keyed the same, like reset keys, or did each operator have their own individual key.
When the key was turned, it had to stay in that position to stay in the privilege menu.
I found a reset lock on an old game king that was not spring loaded, so I put it in the 3802 board to use as the privilege lock.
Works.
The ones I have seen had the same key.
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Yes I do. Here it is.
Thanks but that's just accounting information, not the PSR.
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Sorry about that. I believe this is the correct file.
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Thank you. Strange thing is, the PSR shows simms, my software is all EPROMS. It also does not list which keychip to use which
most of the ones I have seen do. Being non-simm, and the 17 and 22 keychips didn't work, I assumed it was 3802 software that
required the privilege key, that didn't work either. Don't know how the sound chip would have been mounted on a 3802 board unless
there is a sound board that can be mounted, as there is no place on the 3802 to mount a sound chip, this PSR calls for a 3902 board.
I'm baffled. Need to get into the program somehow as it is not set at the highest percentage payback by default, and if the PSR applies that you posted, the max bet is not the default either.
Suggestions anyone?
:Scratch-Head:
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Could someone have replaced the original 3902 mpu board with this 3802 instead, put the software into eprom, and it works for the most part but not exactly? What machine is the 3802 board usually used on?
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The 3902 board was developed for SIMM software, so any software that is all EPROMS can work on a 3802. Older game kings, without the wing speakers, were probably originally all 3802's and will work with 3902's, but I'm guessing.
I got the kit, with a 3902 board, but the seller told me that it was originally on a 3802, which does not compute because there is no place for the sound EPROM. I guess there could be a sound board that mounts on a 3802 but I have no knowledge of it. Running the software without the sound chip works with some sounds but not the unique Wheel of Fortune sounds.
The seller also said that he never tried to keychip the game, works ok as is, but of course I want it to be as liberal as possible.
Some of the older software I have is 'flaky', won't keychip until after several tries. I'm hoping that if I keep trying, eventually it will
keychip. If not, it still works.
I believe that it is a highly collectable game, don't like to use the word 'rare', but they do not come up for sale very often, at least what
I think is the original game.
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Was the main improvement of the 3902 board over the 3802 the addition of the piggy-back multimedia board for adding the enhanced sound simms? Additionally the 3902 board may have allowed more memory for larger sized game software?
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Was the main improvement of the 3902 board over the 3802 the addition of the piggy-back multimedia board for adding the enhanced sound simms? Additionally the 3902 board may have allowed more memory for larger sized game software?
I believe that is true. I think the sound simm gave the addition of stereo. A cgf simm and 3 slots for pxl simms had to increase the
capacity tremendously. The first GK simm software was 5.0, much better sound and graphics than the 4.? series. Probably no way they could have put 20 card keno on eproms, speculation on my part. I have no idea what the first simm I game was.
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This is for your software if you don't have it already.
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The document Ken posted refers to an "IGT digital sound card" being required for this WOF game. Does your machine have that card or a place for one to be installed?
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Thanks Ken.
This could be my problem, I need the bin file for the 5 key.
I would think that the 17 or 22 key would work but they don't, not even 40.
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I think you really need a 3902 board with the multi media board for eprom.
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Yes I have that sound chip.
Pretty sure this is the correct psr for my software, base number is correct.
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Software is mounted properly on a 3902 with sound board.
5 key gives a confetti screen. (Maybe I will burn it again, in case I screwed up.)
17 gives a solid purple screen.
22 and 40 give the ram and eeprom and keychip menu, and go thru
the proper steps but will not go into keychip mode.
From the PSR Ken provided it looks like it is single denom (5 cents) and max bet is 25 coins,
so maybe the only option is to change the payback percentage.
Well at least it works and screams WHEEL OF FORTUNE.
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Final follow up.
Thanks to Jim at Blue Ridge Slots I got a working #5 key.
Was able to access the keychip menu and change the payback percentage to the
most liberal, which is actually the only option as the denomination and max bet are fixed.
So the game is working well.
Another note, I did discover that there is a sound board for the 3802 mpu, saw it for sale on EBay,
so the software would work on the 3802 board.
Done and done.