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Arcade Games, Pinball, Crane Games, Redemption Games and Other Stuff => Pinball Games => Topic started by: tennvol11 on March 21, 2016, 05:52:58 PM
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Will a slot machine be a good substitute for a pinball machine? :yes:
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No, speaking from experience that will not work. You need to own as many of both as you can. You can NEVER have too many. I love my pins and my slots. That's like comparing dogs to cats. I have plenty of both. :24: :rotfl: :yes:
Dave
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I highly disagree. I feel that you should always have more of one than the other. So .... that means if you have 5 pins and 5 slots .... you have to buy another slot. After you do that, you will need to get 2 pins to get the theory right. After you do that, you will then need to get 2 slots. I dont know exactly how that works .... but it seems thats how it works with me.
Dave F
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I would not trade one for the other...just bite the bullet and buy whichever one you don't have. Both are single player games....yes, on a slot, you COULD limit people to how long they play (because no one Aunt Hilda hogging the slot machine the while afternoon/night), but then a pinball game does need SOME skill to dominate it all afternoon/night? I guess it really depends on the crowd you typically have playing?
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Both are entertaining but they are different experiences.
Pinball is a game of skill - there is no skill in playing the classic Vegas slot.
You could argue Pinball vs a Pacman or multicade machine but not a slot.
The Japanese Pashilo (Japanese slots) are a skill stop machine and a lot more engaging but with a price tag of <$100 you can afford a handful of these too. There have been several articles out about how slots are not appealing to Generation-X who grew up with WII, GameCube, Xbox, Playstation etc.
There have been attempts thus far to add more interactivity to slots with community bonus's but so far "Night of the Dead" or Grand Theft Auto has not come to the Casino as skill games that you can bet on.
There are a number of legal ramifications that determine how skill is governed for the purposes of betting. Then there is the actuarial aspects of risk that the casino must accept.
You might notice that many states that prohibit casino gambling have poker clubs. These clubs gain revenue not from the player playing against the house but club fees, entry fees, and pot commissions. Casino Poker rooms provide an honest dealer for a fee.
Sports Betting is also highly controversial. The casino expert creates the spread on the games. Ie Blackhawks over Devils in NHL. Its not just a who wins, but perhaps Hawks have to beat Devils by 2 points. In a low score sport like Hockey its a difficult proposition at best. The so called casino expert screws up enough times and hes out of a job. Yet the point spread has to be shaved thin enough John-Q-Public are still enticed to bet.
Baseball and Basketball are more enticing for the casino due to the higher point nature. Just imagine someone coming in and betting 1/2 a million against the Reds, then being able to corrupt someone to make a bad pitch, a flawed catch, a first base error. This is the whole Pete Rose affair. Drugging horses ... the list goes on.
Now take a game like PacMan. It would be difficult to pay off for hitting certain levels. As the more you play the more patterns you learn and the better you will consistently score. The game can't be allowed to be adaptive as that changes the game. With a slot you have the same chance of winning everytime. Next you could have two people play pacman head to head - highscore wins. The player bets he can beat the other player ? two buddies could easily scam that ? how about the players not betting and people bet on them ?? same deal / same hustle. The length of a game is a factor also. A slot spin takes <30seconds. Pacman takes 10min ... just not enough money coming in for the manpower deployed to manage it.
The casinos have a hard enough time with governing Routlette. You get one guy betting big on black, his buddy bets big on red. They aren't playing for the win - they are playing for the comps and both hating 0 & 00 but you can minimize that risk by betting $5 on 0 & 00
$5 pays 36:1 or $180. So you have one guy betting Red at $180, and 0 at $5 and 00 at $5. The other betting Black for $180 and 0 & 00 for $5.
At worst they lose $10 each per spin but make it up in free meals and rooms.
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I enjoy my slots and my bowling shuffle board, but I think I have to put my "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" pinball at the top of my list. OK guys, jump all over me !!!! :rotfl:
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Now take a game like PacMan. It would be difficult to pay off for hitting certain levels. As the more you play the more patterns you learn and the better you will consistently score. The game can't be allowed to be adaptive as that changes the game. With a slot you have the same chance of winning everytime. Next you could have two people play pacman head to head - highscore wins. The player bets he can beat the other player ? two buddies could easily scam that ? how about the players not betting and people bet on them ?? same deal / same hustle. The length of a game is a factor also. A slot spin takes <30seconds. Pacman takes 10min ... just not enough money coming in for the manpower deployed to manage it.
All good points, but consider video poker. Video poker is a game of chance, but also a game of skill (holding the right cards to achieve maximum return). The nice thing for the casino is they set the pay table assuming optimal player skill. They could do the same with "video game" style gaming machines to appeal to millenials while still ensuring a house edge. You are seeing some creativity in the bonus games. I would like to see creativity in slot machine development to the point the "spinning reels" concept is replaced entirely. As a video game designer myself, I see endless possibilities.
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This is where the casino actuary and the Nevada Gaming commission.
For a game to pay back 97% they have to do 3 runs of 10million spins producing the same results.
Video Poker is not poker. Its really a closer to a slot in that there are a fixed number of variables that can be statistically proven.
You are not playing against another card hand. You are playing against a pay table.
There is no bluffing, no tells or other factors that would make one person more skilled than another outside of the published rules.
You don't have to be quick....or more dexterous
Even the hard to win carnival games have limits so people can't max out on the prizes.
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I guess it depends on how skill is defined... But I do consider it skill to be able to consistently hold the optimal cards in a hand of video poker.
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Most pinballs if they are Worth a sheet are worth more than common generic slots. It just depends-apples, oranges, turds etc. The good pin's Will always hold their value. Some slots as well also. Old old to new on slots -same with pins. I did the pinball and video games way back when before I became engrossed with the slot/video machines. As far as the Video poker from Jay-He is correct--It is a game of odds and no skill. If you are drunk and throw away 4-aces etc. It will re-pay you shortly as it needs to.
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Most pinballs if they are Worth a sheet are worth more than common generic slots. It just depends-apples, oranges, turds etc. The good pin's Will always hold their value. Some slots as well also. Old old to new on slots -same with pins. I did the pinball and video games way back when before I became engrossed with the slot/video machines. As far as the Video poker from Jay-He is correct--It is a game of odds and no skill. If you are drunk and throw away 4-aces etc. It will re-pay you shortly as it needs to.
If you are throwing away hands in video poker you definitely won't be playing at the pay table the casino set. That's why when you see signs in casinos advertising the pay rate of their video poker machines there is always an asterisk that says "with optimal play".
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The difference is that I could have a template with a decision tree that says if your dealt C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 hold C2 & C5 and discard C1 C3 C4
Just like there are "win cards" for BlackJack that follow basic strategy.
Knowing the rules and playing perfect is acquired learnings and the same opportunity is open to anyone if they choose to practice
With real poker a pro might discard several good hands while he analyzes your play, your tells, your ticks. Ie you kept an A K vs waiting for a pair.
He might bluff with a 4 6 .... there is skill that one person may have that another may not - your adversion to hoodies and sunglasses opens you up to flushed ears and dilated pupils that can't hide your excitement or disappointment.
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Oh no question more is required to play actual poker than video poker. My point was that it takes knowledge and practice to play optimal video poker consistently and at a reasonable speed. I consider that to be "skill", though some may disagree with that definition. This is as compared to a slot machine which a trained monkey could play just as effectively.
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Pins, arcades, slots, bowling machines, antiques...
Seems the ladies gravitate to the slots, guys on the pins, kids on the bowlers, skee ball and crane, select few at the bar, and everyone on the pool table.
Variety is the spice of life.