**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => WMS Reel Games => Topic started by: formertexan on August 28, 2023, 03:04:53 PM
Title: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on August 28, 2023, 03:04:53 PM
:nlg-logo: :More_Info_Please:I just got back my Big Bang Piggy Bankin 5 coin Slot machine (Model Williams 40S5) that I had stored at my friend's home. It was working when it left my home. NOW, when I turn it on, I get the code battl. I've opened the main door and in the card cage where the 2 circuit boards are ALL 5 red lites (LEDS) are lit. At the far left of the same board, there is a red LED lite that is also lit. When I bought and received the machine years ago, the card cage door was open and the wiring had been rewired. There is a push button switch wired to the wires and two of the wires are not connected to anything. There is no diagnostic button.
If I push the push button switch by the cage door, I then get a tilt 5191. Does anyone know what this code is?
Title: Re: Tilt Codes
Post by: Tilt on August 28, 2023, 03:22:28 PM
I'm pretty sure it's telling you the battery is low. Check it and replace if necessary.
Title: Re: Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on August 28, 2023, 03:24:17 PM
How do I replace the battery?
Title: Re: Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on August 28, 2023, 03:29:08 PM
I checked the 5 led (red) lights in the cage and they are all on. Is this how to check to see if your battery is low? If I have to replace the battery is there a link in the forums as how to replace the battery?
Title: Re: Tilt Codes
Post by: Tilt on August 28, 2023, 04:24:05 PM
You'll have to remove the MPU board from the machine and check it with a multimeter. The battery is on the lower board on the right left side. I'm not aware of a link showing how to replace it, but you can use the search function on the forum and see if it returns any results. If not, check google too, sometimes people post youtube videos and it will pick those up as well.
Title: Re: Tilt Codes
Post by: erbs on August 28, 2023, 07:11:34 PM
Please remember NEVER REMOVE ANY BOARD OR COMPONET WITH THE POWER ON. Or you will :burningresistor: things.
Title: Re: Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on August 28, 2023, 09:20:03 PM
OK thank you.
Title: Re: Tilt Codes
Post by: playklax01 on August 29, 2023, 05:55:12 AM
The battery is typically easily replaceable, but it's possible it's soldered in (depends who had the machine before you). It might be just sitting there clipped in like any other battery, or it may be in a plastic cage. It should be quite obvious to locate when you remove the MPU (with the power off!). It uses a 1/2 AA 3.6v size, can get it on Amazon for cheap.
"Battl" is the battery low tilt. The one with the numbers is strange, WMS tilts are in words. I'd start at the battery anyway, see if that clears up the rest of the problem. Depending how low the battery got, it's possible the machine may need a clear when you replace it. Do you have a clear chip available?
Title: Re: Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on August 29, 2023, 08:16:51 AM
I'm attaching (hopefully), 3 photos. Is this the battery you are talking about? I think I have a clear chip. I haven't had the machine for over 5 years. It was stored at a friend's home. I have chips. What is the number of the clear chip?
Thank you
Title: Re: Tilt Codes
Post by: playklax01 on August 29, 2023, 11:54:17 AM
Yes, that's the battery. I don't know the number of the clear chip. But start by replacing that and see what the machine does next.
Title: Re: Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on August 29, 2023, 12:37:31 PM
Thanks much. I'm going to pick up the battery within the next hour.
Title: Re: Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on August 30, 2023, 03:52:55 PM
I bought the battery and installed it. I turned the machine on and it booted up a little.
No Bong and the the screen showed "Williams Dotmation + (tm)) Ver 5.13 It sat like this for about 20 seconds with nothing happening, then the screen went off. It's setting like this, nothing showing in the Credits, etc. The reels haven't turned. The green light on the left and right of the bill validator are flashing green. There is a bill validator in the machine, but no money box for the bills to go into. If I remember right, when I first bought and received the machine, the owner told me to put a piece of tape over something in the empty bill box. If that is true, I can't remember where the tape went. Are the green lights supposed to be flashing on the validator? Do I need to clear the machine?
Help....
Don
Title: Re: Tilt Codes
Post by: playklax01 on August 31, 2023, 06:39:54 AM
That symptom is usually of a bad lower power supply. It's an odd coincidence that it worked when the battery was low, but now died when it was replaced, so it may not necessarily be that. It's possible, but timing is a little sus. Don't worry about the bill acceptor, it wouldn't be the focus here. With the power off, I'd remove and check both the MPU and I/O boards for any foreign material/object on them, top and bottom. I once had a machine that would frequently and randomly freeze up for no reason, the cause was a little piece of tape that got on the underneath of the MPU board... After that, reseat the I/O and MPU boards and make sure they're tight in there (but don't go overboard!).
You should have at least gotten the bong sound. I take it the reels are loose too? That would mean the MPU isn't getting any power. If it needed a clear, it would tell you on the front display like the battery did. After you reseat the boards, check the I/O board again for the 5 lights and that they're all on. If you see the middle 3 out, or the fail LED on, that would be a bad power supply. The Dotmation screen above will work independently since it has it's own power and controller.
If you weren't aware already, the power supplies in WMS machines are the Achilles heel of them. But before we take further steps with this, let's start here and see where things stand after.
Title: Re: Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on September 03, 2023, 08:08:38 AM
On Big Bang Piggy Bankin I/O Board. Are the 5 red LED lights supposed to light up or be OFF? Also, the far left LED light that says FAIL..That should be off? In other words, are all the lights supposed to be off? If ALL are on, what does that mean? If the 2nd red light from Left to Right is on, what does that mean?
Title: Re: Tilt Codes
Post by: playklax01 on September 03, 2023, 09:11:11 AM
On Big Bang Piggy Bankin I/O Board. Are the 5 red LED lights supposed to light up or be OFF? Also, the far left LED light that says FAIL..That should be off? In other words, are all the lights supposed to be off? If ALL are on, what does that mean? If the 2nd red light from Left to Right is on, what does that mean?
All 5 lights should be ON. The Fail light should be OFF. If you have any combo except 5 lights on, then something is wrong. Traditionally from what I've seen from a bad power supply is that the outer lights are on with the 3 inner lights off. Each light represents what voltages are present, from 5v through 18v. What are yours showing?
If all are out, you have no voltages at all. If all are on (including the Fail), you have all voltages but something is still wrong (maybe the volts are out of range). If the 2nd from the left is on (and the only one on), you have +12v and that's it.
Title: Re: Tilt Codes
Post by: playklax01 on September 03, 2023, 09:23:36 AM
Looking back on your first post with the pics, it does look like the Fail LED is ON. You have the 5 others lit. I attached the section of the Williams manual going over these scenarios, so you can hear it right from the horse's mouth. :)
Title: Re: Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on September 04, 2023, 12:03:06 PM
On Saturday I took all the connections off my power supply and took it to Best Buy to see if they could check it out for me. I told them the power failure was lit and the 3rd red light wasn't lit (-12V). They said they wouldn't check it out for me, because it might ruin their equipment. They said that all five slots on the bottom of the I/O board were interchangeable. They said if one of the lights was out and there was an open slot I could take the one that wasn't lit and put it in the open slot. I came back home and put everything back together. I don't remember if the fail light was out or not. I tried removing the XU-3 chip and installing the Williams 25C in its place. I finally got all five lights lit and the fail light was out. The reels turned around for the first time and this (pictures attatched) is what was on my machine.I wasn't sure what to do. I finally turned off machine. Now I am getting the failure light lite up again on my I/O board. Is this my power supply? Pictures are in order as they came up on screen. I had the Williams 25C slot in the XU3 slot. I can't send any more pictures. This is what the last 2 pictures showed.. 40 0 0 25 6 the last picture showed Stnd I didn't know what to do, I just turned off the machine
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: playklax01 on September 04, 2023, 03:30:39 PM
Ok, it sounds like you potentially cleared the ram, which is what the manual suggests to when you get the "ram match" error (first picture). "ram match" is when the game data in RAM does not match the data stored in the EEPROM on the backplane. The 40 0 0 25 is a good sign that the ram clear is in process. The other messages are your jurisdiction jumpers and the other set (forget what those are, don't touch them!). Did you cycle all the way through (pressing the red button on the cage door) until a 'clr' message appeared? If not, do that (assuming you still have the clear chip installed). If you eventually get a 'clr', you're doing good. If you get that message, turn the machine off and carefully swap back in the X3 game chip and see what happens. I've had games where I had to do a hard clear (with that chip) multiple times before it 'took'. Let us know what happens next!
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: playklax01 on September 04, 2023, 03:44:00 PM
Actually I got a little ahead of myself. Your ram may be cleared already. Try putting back in the game XU3 chip and see what the screen says. It should say 'clr' at this point. Press the red button on the cage door. It may also say "game change", press the same button then it should say 'clr'.
Title: Re: Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on September 04, 2023, 06:11:41 PM
I turned on the machine again and the FAIL light came on again. Four of the red lights are lit. The 3rd (-12v) is NOT lit.
If I don't have my I/O board pushed all the way into the slots at the end, could this give me a (fail)? Also the CPU board?
I took out my Williams 25C chip and put the game chip back into XU3 slot. I'm STILL getting the "fail" light "on" and the 3rd(-12v) red light is out.
Could this be my power supply? If so, can I buy one from someone on this forum? Also I read the post about replacing the power supply with a pc power drive. Is this advisable, and also hard to do?
Also, How do you get the NEW to show up when you post a new reply to your previous posts?
I just turned 83 on August 18, and I am STILL willing to try and learn NEW things; if given the chance.
Thanks to everyone who has answered my posts so far.
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on September 05, 2023, 04:48:52 AM
I took all the connections off from my power supply and put them back on again with the game chip in XU3.
This time the FAIL did not light up. ALL the red lights were lit up except the 3rd one (-12V).
I now have the following code on my screen and I don't know what this means and also what to do next.
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on September 05, 2023, 05:03:59 AM
I disconnected all my connections from my power supply and re-connected them. I turned the machine on with the game chip in XU3 slot and the FAIL light DID NOT light up. All the red lights were lit up except the 3rd one (-12v).
I had the following message on my screen. Picture attatched. What does this mean and what do I do now? I turned the machine off and waiting to hear from anyone as to what is going on now. I might get another FAIL light when I turn the machine on.
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: playklax01 on September 05, 2023, 06:39:26 AM
The NEW appearing is automatic when you post a reply. Nothing special needs to be done.
The 'log' message with a '1' in the bet size indicates bad log data. The resolution calls for another hard clear (change the XU3 chip again).
You're running into errors I haven't seen in real life before, but they are documented in the owners manual. Here's a link to it, I think it will help you.
You mentioned earlier about the I/O and/or CPU board being not fully inserted. That could definitely cause problems which is why I suggested earlier to make sure they're tightly pressed in (but don't go overboard). You should feel a snug connection and the front should be even (not crooked). The tabs on the sides should be (just about/are) touching the card cage.
These games are almost 30 years old, you won't find any new OEM power supply replacements. Some folks on here may have used working ones available for sale. The alternative to use a PC power supply is getting hard to do as well, as the type needed is becoming more rare. That would be the easiest route though. I actually bought one of the new PC style ones on ebay before (to have a spare) where someone did all the conversion work already. I don't know if they're still available on there, but worth a look.
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on September 05, 2023, 01:37:42 PM
I just put the Williams 25C chip back in XU3 and turned machine on. I'm now getting what I had earlier, about 2 days ago. The pictures are in my earlier posts.
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on September 05, 2023, 02:54:32 PM
After the codes I typed on the above message, I took out CPU Board and removed the Williams 25C chip, and put the game chip back in. When the machine booted up the word "clr" showed up in the credits. I Pushed the (homemade) diagnostic button "once" and nothing happened. I pushed it several times and nothing happened. I closed the door and nothing happened. I pushed the "diagnostic button several times and the word "clr" stayed on the screen. I turned the machine off and back on again and the word "clr" is still showing in Credits. I even turned off the Jackpot reset key. Nothing happened. The "Fail" light is still "off". 4 of the other red lights are lit with the one in the middle (-12v) not lit.
So, I still have problems even though "clr" is showing.
Any advice???
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: tollguy316 on September 05, 2023, 06:15:20 PM
I'd start with getting a power supply
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on September 05, 2023, 09:25:20 PM
What do I search for asa power supply? I don't know that much about a power supply to even start asking, or Googling.
Any help, or advice would sure be appreciated. If anyone on the forum or if you know of anyone that has one or where to get one, please pm me. If that's OK to do on this forum, if not please post it here.
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: playklax01 on September 06, 2023, 07:31:45 AM
If nothing happens when you push your homemade diag button, is it possible the button is bad? Could also be due to the missing power light on the I/O board. From what you said, you made it all the way through with the hard clear process. Pressing the diag button should reset the game and all should be good. But you have that light out, so it's not all good.
One last hail mary you could try is to check the fuses on the power supply boards. Take precaution to not get shocked obviously! You'll need to disconnect the wires, and remove and open the big gray box. There'll be a big board on the bottom and a smaller board on top. The smaller board is the one that typically needs to be replaced, the bottom one is pretty stable. You'll find some fuses, I believe, on both boards. Check them all. Also check the general fuse on the outside of the metal box, but I believe that is an all-or-nothing fuse which would turn everything off if it's blown, so it's probably not that (can't hurt to check).
You likely won't find anything on Google. What you're looking for is a Williams 400 model power supply. Anything that says BB or Bluebird is not the correct one. The power supply has long been discontinued from the third party who made them. There is a part number (I don't recall what it is) from them on the smaller power board inside that metal box, you could try a search on that and see if there are any comparable replacements.
eBay is possible, I've gotten some on there in the past (I hoarded everything I could on these machines years ago, as I knew they were getting hard to find for). There is this store that does repair, I've never used them but it may be worth inquiring with. If they're able to recap and rebuild everything for $60 (plus $30 shipping), that's not a bad deal at all! If you go that route, check with them first to make sure they'll work on this model power supply.
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on September 06, 2023, 08:17:35 AM
I pushed on the I/O board and finally got 5 red lights and "fail light, NOT lit.
I closed the door and turned the Jackpot key. I now get different things every time I turn the key.
Bet Info Cash Info Line Info Prog Info The "spin" button is lite up on each of these codes Dot Fail (spin button NOT lit now))
Don't know what to do now!!!
Don
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: playklax01 on September 07, 2023, 06:31:49 AM
Turning the jackpot reset key without a jackpot to reset will go in the 'lite' auditing menu. Normally after some games have been played, there will be more info, like last 20? results of the reel spins, etc.
You wrote me a DM on the Dot Fail message and I responded to it, but not sure if it went through. Let me know if it did or not.
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on September 07, 2023, 07:20:29 AM
Your message went through and I thank you for the information. I'm going to take the upper glass out this morning. I see it's the whole piece of glass in the top part. I guess I try to lift it up and then pull outward?
Thanks again for your very helpful information.
Don
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on September 10, 2023, 05:01:47 PM
I haven't been able to post on here for a couple of days. I've had computer and internet problems.
UPDATE: On I/O Board I now have ALL 5 red lights lit and the "FAIL" light is "OFF"
While I Had the I/O board out I happened to notice something hanging down from the top end of the board between the edge of the cage and the PC Board, slot backplane. I found out it was a cable tie hanging down. I tried pulling on it, but it was either attached from above or the head was to big to pull through. I thought maybe this was pushing against the PC Board, slot backplane, and causing a short or error. I got the idea of removing one of the reels and see if I could see it without the reels inside. Well, to start with on the cable attached to the reel, I tried pulling it off to the "right" instead of "straight" out. I even tried pulling it off with the large pliers. I hope I didn't damage anything on the circuit board. With the cable off I then tried to get the "latch" loose so I could slide the reel out. The latch didn't want to come up, I was trying to force it up with 2 scred drivers. I was trying to pull up from the front, Maybe it lifted from from Right to Left. Anyway, I ended up breaking the tab in half. So I plugged the cable back in and that was it. No reels out and no tabs out either. Any advice as to how the reels come out?
I think I got the RAM cleared. I got a "CLR" I took out the Williams 25C chip and put the XU3 Game Chip in and for the first time the reels turned, both the top and bottom candle lights were flashing. No Bongs!. On the screen, it came up with a dot Fail. This is where I am now. I just got to thinking, maybe something is wrong with the speaker, shouldn't I hear some bongs? The first attathment is inside of my power supply; The 2nd is board inside DOT screen; 3rd another board inside DOT; 4th is cap I broke off trying to get the reel released. Sorry for the long post. Any more ideas?
Don
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on September 11, 2023, 01:02:06 AM
I just took out the 2 left reels and saw the top of a plastic cable tie sticking into the top of the Card Cage. I should have taken out the 3rd reel, because when I tried to reach around the reel with a pair of short tweezers and with my left hand (I'm right-handed) the tweezers touched the top of the tie and turned it around so that it dropped into the Card Cage. I tried pulling it into the Card Cage several days ago when I had the I/O board out. I just don't want to take out the I/O Board now that I have no Fail and all red lights are lit.
I turned the machine back on and I still have the same tilt code showing dot FAIL 0
Didn't someone say there was a fuse in the DOT board: behind the grey screen? If so, is it soldered to the board?
What does dot FAIL 0 mean? Does this have something to do with my display screen?
Thanks,
Don
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: playklax01 on September 11, 2023, 07:30:29 AM
The pictures help for sure! Dot Fail will present when 1) there is a bad upper power supply, or 2) there is no communication with the upper controller board. On your picture with the upper controller board and the upper power supply, on the left top side of the controller there are 2 connectors with one having a white connector attached to it sticking out. Based on the picture, it looks like there is no cable attached to that piece, is that correct? If so, that's your problem right there. There should be a thin cable attached that drops down and connects into the backplane. Without that cable, the CPU cannot talk to the Dotmation board and tell it what to display on the screen, hence the Dot Fail message. If this is the case (no cable present), the problem is going to be tough... 1) You'll find the end of the cable somewhere in the machine, but knowing which wire goes to which connector is anyone's guess... or 2) There is no cable anywhere and you need a new one. Someone would have to chime in if they have one available.
If the wire is attached that white connector, then we have a different problem but let's start here.
There are no fuses on the controller board itself, only the power supply would have one (or two?).
That cable tie you said dropped down somewhere, it would be a good idea to find it and get that out of there. Foreign items can cause all kinds of problems and possible damage.
Is your coin tray attached to the game right now? If it's not, you won't have any sound. If it is, check the blind mating speaker connection. It's another weak point of these games, but very easy to fix.
In your machine's condition, you should get a bong for the machine being able to initialize properly, then a buzz for the Dot Fail message.
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: playklax01 on September 11, 2023, 07:39:47 AM
And above all, protect that orange screen at all costs! It's almost 30 years old and absolutely impossible to find a replacement for. There was talk of someone who was attempting to make recreations of it with newer technology, but I haven't heard any progress on that. So keep that thing safe!
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on September 12, 2023, 09:17:24 AM
I took out my upper glass again and checked all the connections and they are all connected. took out the fuse in my DOT board. The number on it is EF 3.15A H250V. Does anyone on here know if I can get it here and if not can I get it from Amazon.
I don't know much about fuses could someone help me find on Amazon which fuse to get if I can't get it here?
Thanks
Don
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on October 06, 2023, 02:43:30 AM
I took my Dotmation Controler PC Board and Supply, 12v/110 Power Board to Dallas,tx this past week. A slot repair shAlsoop checked out my 2 boards and said they were OK. Also they asked if the 8 on the I/O boaard was lighting up. "No" it is NOT lighting up. I just took out the XU3 chip and put in the Williams25C chip. The machine did a few things and reels tured once. I now have the work "clr" on the display. I removed the Williams 25C chip and installed the XU3 chip. I turned the machine on and it showed CLR. I pushed the homemade diagnostic buttonand nothing happens. Could I have a bad pushbutton? Maybe the wire is in the wrong place. There is on c on tabs on the switch. A wire is attatched to the on and the c. Does it matter which wires are attathed and to what terminal? I am leaving the machine turned on with the word CLR showing in the display. What do I do now. Atleast I didn't get the DOT Fail this time. Photo Attatched. Disregard the lit FAIL light. This picture is just t show the diagnostic button.
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on October 27, 2023, 08:36:37 AM
Sorry, I haven't gotten back on the board for some time. I have had foot surgery and not getting around well.
I took my DOT cards to Dallas, TX and they checked them out and said they were OK. I have since pulled out most of my plugs going to the backboard and used the sweeper to blow them out. The latest info is that a couple of days ago, my machine booted up to the game. No sound. I was able to put quarters into the machine. I turned it off and now, I get the DOT FAIL error.
I think the reels are out of sync. I am trying to either take off or move the Opto Interrupter on the reel. The manual says "Align the three opto interrupter tabs: The opto stop is usually the first symbol or the jackpot symbol. Opto-stop placement is critical: The three opto-stops MUST line up. Without alignment, reel symbols can't stop together on the pay line. You can adjust one reel's opto stop position by moving the reel's opto interrupter tab. You can move the opto interrupter position over a broad, two-and-a-half-inch range. Begin alignment by sliding each opto tab to the center of the opto stop symbol. Take care not to bend the opto interrupter track. My opto interrupter tab is not in the same place on the reels. I have the opto interrupter tab on the first reel in the first opening at the end of the reel strip and a single piggie in front of a single black bar. The middle reel is also in the middle of the first opening at the end of the reel strip and the Opto interrupter is in the middle if the first Beak The Bank. The third reel is also at the first opening at the end of the reel strip and the Opto interrupter is in the middle of the first Break The Bank. Don Is this how I am supposed to place the Opto interrupter tabs?
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: playklax01 on October 30, 2023, 06:42:48 AM
Sorry, I haven't gotten back on the board for some time. I have had foot surgery and not getting around well.
I took my DOT cards to Dallas, TX and they checked them out and said they were OK. I have since pulled out most of my plugs going to the backboard and used the sweeper to blow them out. The latest info is that a couple of days ago, my machine booted up to the game. No sound. I was able to put quarters into the machine. I turned it off and now, I get the DOT FAIL error.
I think the reels are out of sync. I am trying to either take off or move the Opto Interrupter on the reel. The manual says "Align the three opto interrupter tabs: The opto stop is usually the first symbol or the jackpot symbol. Opto-stop placement is critical: The three opto-stops MUST line up. Without alignment, reel symbols can't stop together on the pay line. You can adjust one reel's opto stop position by moving the reel's opto interrupter tab. You can move the opto interrupter position over a broad, two-and-a-half-inch range. Begin alignment by sliding each opto tab to the center of the opto stop symbol. Take care not to bend the opto interrupter track. My opto interrupter tab is not in the same place on the reels. I have the opto interrupter tab on the first reel in the first opening at the end of the reel strip and a single piggie in front of a single black bar. The middle reel is also in the middle of the first opening at the end of the reel strip and the Opto interrupter is in the middle if the first Beak The Bank. The third reel is also at the first opening at the end of the reel strip and the Opto interrupter is in the middle of the first Break The Bank. Don Is this how I am supposed to place the Opto interrupter tabs?
Regarding the latter part of the post. If you suspect the reels are out of alignment, you'll need to go into diagnostic mode and go to the selection that will turns the reels to each payable position. You just need one of them, doesn't matter which, it will start with the jackpot position (7-wild-7). If those aren't aligned then carefully and slowly (they're fragile!) nudge the opto thing on the reel a notch or two, a little does a lot. Press (I think Spin) for the next reel combo and see how they look now. Rinse and repeat. It can take a while to get perfect alignment, so don't get discouraged.
No sound. Is the coin tray attached? If not, you'll have no sound. If it is, check the blind mating plug on the righthand side and see if it's connecting correctly and tightly. These get loose and broken all the time, it's a very weak plug. It's a simple connection though, you can rig up your own if you need to, just match the position of the wires.
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on October 30, 2023, 02:34:40 PM
When I try to go into the diagnostic mode, I don't think it's going there. I start off with the following:
Prog Info I turn Jackpot key DOT FAIL " " Coin Info "
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on October 30, 2023, 10:28:22 PM
My diagnostic mode doesn't appear to be working. I'm not sure how I get into diagnostic mode. When I turn the Jackpot Key, I get the following:
Prog Info I hit spin reels and they don't turn.. I get under credit Bet 00000 01 I hit spin reels and they don't turn... I get under credit Bet 00000 03 It continues this way...And the spin reels don't turn reels.
I still think my reels are out of sync. I can't seem to get into diagnostic mode. I can't seem to find (or get into the diagnostic mode).
I try to move the opt thing a little on the first reel and manually move the reels to the jackpot on the pay line. I don't know if it hurts to move the reels while the power is still off, or do I have to turn off the power before moving? I still don't understand how to get the reels into sync.
Donald Wales
760-324-8387
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Post by: playklax01 on November 02, 2023, 10:43:01 AM
It wouldn't be the jackpot key, but the red button on the card cage inside. I don't remember which # it is (i.e. how many times you need to press the button) but it's at least 8 or more. Step through each and press Spin on each. Eventually you'll reach the section where when you press Spin, the reels will turn to the jackpot combo, press Spin again and it will turn to the next lower paying combo, etc, etc. This is how you can check if they're aligned right.
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Post by: formertexan on November 03, 2023, 12:10:04 AM
I did what you said and I did get to the sound and reel diagnostics. I wasn't able to check to see if I could turn the sound off or on. It had sound settings set, but I wasn't able to spin the reels to see how loud the sound would be. The Spin was lit up, but it wouldn't do anything when I tried to get the reels to spin to see if the setting was correct. I STILL haven't been able to get the reels into sync.
Don
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Post by: playklax01 on November 07, 2023, 06:12:56 AM
I'd need more information to assist. How deep did you go in the diagnostic menu? If you take some pics of what you're looking at that would help.
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Post by: formertexan on November 07, 2023, 02:32:27 PM
Can you send videos on here, or does it have to be just photos?
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Post by: playklax01 on November 08, 2023, 09:47:45 AM
Yeah, you can attach videos.
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Post by: formertexan on November 09, 2023, 09:36:15 AM
I tried to send a video, but it says my file is too large. I converted my file from mov to wmv, but it still won't post.I have never tried to send a video before on here. Under properties for my video it says 396MB (415,768,791 bytes).
Can you or anyone else please help me to ve able to send a video of my game on here?
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Post by: playklax01 on November 11, 2023, 03:10:11 PM
You can always upload it to Youtube and post a link to it here.
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Post by: formertexan on November 12, 2023, 12:30:15 PM
I don't know how to do that either. I've been trying to post my videos, but so far no luck. They are with the mov and your site doesn't except this format. I don't know how to convert to a format that I can send on here.
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Post by: Stayouttadabunker on November 12, 2023, 05:39:47 PM
Donald, I'm wondering....what are you recording the video with? Youtube will take many different types of formats. It's pretty easy to make an account with them, and put a link to the video you've made, in here.
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Post by: formertexan on November 12, 2023, 11:57:07 PM
I'm recording them on my iPad. Using the camera I have the setting on video instead of photo. The videos are coming out with a mov file extension, and the attachments will not take mov extensions. I don't know how to get them changed to a file extension that this web page will take and send. I have been working on this for over a day now. So far, no luck changing them. I have a Youtube Premium account, but I don't know how to upload them on there to send to this forum.
Donald
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Post by: playklax01 on November 15, 2023, 01:25:40 PM
I'm recording them on my iPad. Using the camera I have the setting on video instead of photo. The videos are coming out with a mov file extension, and the attachments will not take mov extensions. I don't know how to get them changed to a file extension that this web page will take and send. I have been working on this for over a day now. So far, no luck changing them. I have a Youtube Premium account, but I don't know how to upload them on there to send to this forum.
Donald
For Youtube, go to your channel. Click Manage Videos. On the next page, top right corner, there is a Create button. Use that to upload the videos. After they upload, you'll want to Publish them. You should be done after that. Post a link to the video or your channel, and we can take the next steps and see what's going on.
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Post by: formertexan on November 15, 2023, 02:16:13 PM
Thanks, I'll try that.
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Post by: formertexan on November 22, 2023, 03:12:38 PM
I've finally got a couple of videos on YouTube. I hope you are able to view them. I have been working on them for days. I just don't know that much about sending videos. In the first video, I am in diagnostic codes. The reels are supposed to spin, but all they do is make a noise. They spin at other times. The second video is really the one to watch before the first video.
Also, I was in "sound" diagnostics and I couldn't tell if my sound was on or not. I tried pushing buttons, but nothing happened, and "NO" sound. NO bongs when I turn on the machine.
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Post by: formertexan on November 23, 2023, 02:51:44 AM
Mark,
Thanks for fixing my videos. I wanted to modify my text and I clicked on modify and typed in what I wanted to add to my text. Now the videos aren't showing.
Could you please fix my video again?
Don
Ok they're back! mark
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: playklax01 on November 23, 2023, 10:01:00 AM
I've finally got a couple of videos on YouTube. I hope you are able to view them. I have been working on them for days. I just don't know that much about sending videos. In the first video, I am in diagnostic codes. The reels are supposed to spin, but all they do is make a noise. They spin at other times. The second video is really the one to watch before the first video.
Also, I was in "sound" diagnostics and I couldn't tell if my sound was on or not. I tried pushing buttons, but nothing happened, and "NO" sound. NO bongs when I turn on the machine.
Good job getting the videos uploaded! I watched them and have a couple observations:
1 - The one with the reels spinning, that is the correct diag to check if they're aligned properly. Yours are off, but it's easily fixed. I'll get back to this down below.
2 - You appear to be pressing the Spin button once each time, but the diag setting is jumping ahead like you pressed it numerous times. If you look at the Credit display, it starts at 4 then jumps to 8 then to 10. It should be going in order starting from 1 then incrementing by 1 on each Spin press. But then in the next section, it does go in order. I would focus on the spin button and see if this is happening elsewhere in the diag menu, as it should not be doing that.
3 - I can't remember if Tilt displays when the door is just open or not. I can't reach my machine so I can't verify it. I did see a code of hPrE appear briefly. That code means the hopper is empty and occurs when the hopper churns for a while without a coin coming out. Did you have credits earlier that you were trying to cash out?
Going back to the diag menu, from the start of that section where the reels spin, #1 would be the highest paying combination (7-Wild-7) and is the easiest to use to align the reels since there is only 1 way to display that. The other combinations could have multiple ways of hitting them, and won't be accurate to use to align. Yours appears to be rather misaligned as nothing was close to what it should be, but again it's an easy fix. If you look at the Win display on the right, you'll see an alternating number being displayed. This is what the shown combination would pay. On number 4, it's showing 40->200->40, etc. You obviously have a 5 coin machine, which would pay 40 coins for a 1 bet, 200 for a 5 bet. This particular pay should be displaying 3 blue triple bars, as it's the only way to win 40/200.
I'd stop here and focus on getting the machine to start at #1. That would be easiest way to continue.
So getting ahead of myself, in case you're able to resolve the spin button issue, if you're able to get the spin to start at #1 see if the correct symbols are in sight. In sight would mean they're off my a symbol or less. If that's the case, then carefully move the (usually) black tab on the reels to get the proper alignment. I always forget which way is which, but I think moving it back (towards the rear of the machine) would lower the symbols a bit, forward would raise them a bit. I could be wrong, I mess this up all the time but there's no harm, see what results you get (if you're getting hotter or colder) and just act accordingly.
You probably know this, but just want to reiterate. Since parts are hard to obtain, just be very careful moving that black tab. The tab itself is still strong, but the reel basket it's attached to is very easy to crack. I've done it more than once over the years...
If the symbols aren't in close sight, then you'll need to remove the reel strips and reset them on the reel baskets. You'll need either double sided tape, or plain scotch tape to do it. I use plain scotch tape as it's easier and holds better, but it's not very sightly. Double sided tape is cosmetically better but may not be strong enough hold the strips in place and they could end up slipping. Don't use something like super glue as you may need to remove the strips later.
This process can be tricky as the end of the strip is likely not going to be in a place you can reach it well. You'll probably need to remove the reel from the machine to do this. I think you've done this in the past (carefully remove the wire connector, lift up on the tab holding the foot, slide the reel forward). Do this after they're aligned with the top jackpot symbols, and careful not to turn the reel at all. It helps if you're able to hold up the reel strip and mark the reel basket and the reel strip on where the jackpot symbols should be set. Something light that won't permanently mark the reel strip, or a piece of tape or something.
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Post by: playklax01 on November 23, 2023, 10:11:19 AM
Forgot to mention about the sound. Since you're not getting the 'bong' when you turn it on, it's got to be the speaker/connection. Since you've gone through multiple Clears, the sound would be defaulted to the factory settings, so it's not turned off manually. You would know if you did that.
Check the blind mating connector for the speaker behind on the coin tray to see if it's properly plugging into the connector end on the machine. All of the William machine I've had over the years had problems with that connector. It tends to get loose and wobbles, and won't blindly connect like it's supposed to. The connection needs to be tight or you'll get no sound.
Check the wiring going up to the speaker and make sure the wires aren't broken off/disconnected. It's a simple speaker, 2 wires connecting it.
Those are the likely culprits. Really unlikely to be something more involved.
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Post by: formertexan on November 26, 2023, 09:11:21 AM
Thanks, Playklax01 for taking the time to type all of the information you sent to me. I'm not sure if my coin tray is down all the way to connect into the blind mating connector. I will check the wires today. I still don't quite understand how to get the reels aligned. When I'm on the 1 on the credit display I push the "spin" button and if the reels don't end up on the jackpot, then do I hit "spin" again, or do I manually move the reels to where I can get to the black tab to move it up or down? Or do I manually move the reels with the machine "on" to the jackpot position and then hit the "spin" again to see if they end up on the jackpot or near and then move the reels to where I can get to the little tab to move it again? All this time I have the machine on, right? I hope this makes sense.
The "spin" button seems to be going in order.
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Post by: formertexan on December 20, 2023, 11:57:02 PM
I still haven't been able to get my "reels" in sync. I posted a message quite some time ago asking questions about getting the "reels" into sync, but no answer to my questions. It looks like everyone has given up on me.
I sure did want to get my game fixed; I feel I'm so close, but I just can't figure out how to move the little tab on the reels either "up" or "down" and how much to move it either way. I don't understand what to have the reels set on before I move the little tab and also after I move the tab and then turn the machine back on.
Does it hurt to move the reels with the machine on??
Please, don't give up on me.
Don
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Post by: a69mopar on December 21, 2023, 06:11:50 AM
So it sounds like your reel strips are not aligned in the reel basket correctly. So, don't hit spin again. You mark the reel basket, and reposition the reel strip so the symbol aligns. Once they are close , you can fine tune.
Don't give up. Read the previous reply again post pictures of your reels ...
Thanks, Wayne
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Post by: playklax01 on December 23, 2023, 11:07:40 AM
Ok, so, when you're in the alignment test in the diag menu (like you were). Compare the amounts alternating in the Win (or Credit, don't have a machine handy here) display. This is showing you what should be currently displayed on the reels. Compare the alternating amounts to the paytable to see what symbols it should be showing.
If the symbols are close (like you can see them, but they're off by a bit, no more than an inch), then carefully drag (just pull or push lightly) the black tab on the reel which will adjust where it lands. It's going to be trial and error, you'll see if you're getting warmer or colder, but you'll get there.
If the symbols are not close, not visible or off by more than an inch, you'll need to mark on the reel basket where the symbol should be displaying then remove the reel strip from the basket and manually realign it to position it properly. You'll need tape to secure the reel strip back on the basket. This is the more tricky procedure of the two.
There's no electronic method to adjust the reel strips, it's a manual process but not too involved. Using the alignment from the top paying combo (7-Wild-7) is the best since, I believe, there is only 1 symbol on each reel that matches that. Other symbols like single bar have multiples on the reel strip so you don't know which one the machine is displaying. If you have the 7-Wild-7 selection made, you know what should be shown, and once you get that aligned everything else will fall into place.
Does this make sense?
As always, be careful with the reel baskets. The plastic at this point has become rather dry and fragile, it's very easy to break it. The reel strips just need to be placed on the reel baskets, wrapped around, and (originally was a glue substance that has long dries up) taped at the ends.
You can move the reels while the power is on, but it's not to be done frequently. In a nutshell, it's just not good for them. There are teeth inside the reel motors that can become worn down, which will eventually make the reel 'slip' from where it supposed to land to a spot it shouldn't be on. You don't want that. And you don't know the past history of what the motors have already been through. Avoid it when you can.
Title: Re: BB Piggy Bankin 5 Coin Tilt Codes
Post by: formertexan on December 30, 2023, 11:32:37 AM
I'm still having trouble getting the "reels" lined up. I appreciate your help, but I don't understand some of the things you are telling me to do. I don't understand "compare the amounts in the win ( credits)'. I also don't understand the need to mark the "reel bank" and then remove the reel game to where the mark is. You said to enclose some pictures of my reels during the test. I am attaching some. In the last reel the "reels" just started hanging up and moving very little and jumping back and forth.
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Post by: formertexan on December 30, 2023, 11:38:56 AM
This is page 2 of the codes for the "reels".
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Post by: formertexan on December 30, 2023, 11:45:29 AM
Page 3.
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Post by: formertexan on December 30, 2023, 11:51:00 AM
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Post by: formertexan on January 02, 2024, 01:56:28 PM
Page 5 FINAL I'm trying to send a MOV file extension so you can see what happens. The "reels" just start moving a bit and jumping and the display keeps showing something else. I do notice in the bet column it says 6. Should it say 5 if I have a 5-coin machine?
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Post by: formertexan on February 07, 2024, 02:53:12 PM
I'm still having problems with the ROM FAIL 0 ERROR I'm sure it's because the reels aren't in "sync". I know it has been explained to me how to get the reels in sync, but I still don't understand how to do it.
Do you start with the machine turned off and then move all 3 reels to the major jackpot position and then turn the machine on and see where the reels stop? When do I move the little lever on the side of lever one?
Please help me and don't give up on me.
Don
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Post by: playklax01 on February 11, 2024, 10:58:45 AM
I'm still having problems with the ROM FAIL 0 ERROR I'm sure it's because the reels aren't in "sync". I know it has been explained to me how to get the reels in sync, but I still don't understand how to do it.
Do you start with the machine turned off and then move all 3 reels to the major jackpot position and then turn the machine on and see where the reels stop? When do I move the little lever on the side of lever one?
Please help me and don't give up on me.
Don
1) I didn't look back far here, but when did the ROM FAIL message start appearing, and is it constant? 2) The machine has no idea if the reel are aligned properly or not, so that is not the basis for the error message. 3) As I mentioned before, in the Diag section (pressing the Red button on the card cage, or the hack around it that you have), you need to step through until you get to the alignment section. (My machine isn't readily available, so I can't tell you the exact number of presses) This will A) start at the top prize, B) rotate the reels to the top prize, and C) alternate the right side display prize amount from 1 coin played to max coins played (e.g. 400 -> 2500 -> 400, or whatever yours is). The top prize is the one you want to stay on, as there is only 1 combination of symbols that would trigger that amount. This is from where you want to align the reels. The plastic reels are now setup with that combination showing. As I said before, if the correct symbols are close to where they should be (~1 spacing off), you can carefully adjust the (usually black) tab on the plastic reel forward or back to change the alignment. This takes trial and error, and some time. 3a) If the winning symbols are not even close to appearing, you'll need to remove the reel strips from each reel and place it back on with the top prize centered in front of you. This is tricky because you don't want to move the plastic reel at all, it's in the place you want it. It's delicate work, but can be done. I've done it (almost literally) hundreds of times. 3b) If the initial alignment test shows the reels are completely off, it's easiest to then remove all the reel strips (keeping track which one goes where, it's important!), and re-run the alignment test. You'll have the reel strips ready to be put on without accidentally moving the plastic reel. 3b2) If it's easier, and you don't mind making a mark on the plastic reel, you could dab a magic marker on the plastic reel on where the top symbols should be between. This would make it totally easy for you as you can take the reel mechanisms out and still know where the top symbols belong. It makes reattaching the reel strip easier too since you have full access to the plastic reel.
Let start here again.
I used a couple alternative descriptions of the things involved to hopefully make it easier to understand. Let me explain them here in case, and I'm not attempting to be mean about it or anything if I dumb it down, I just to make sure we're on the same page: -- Plastic Reel (aka the Basket), this is the semi-clear wheel that holds the reel strip. It's attached to the motor and has a (usually) black tab on it at some location. -- Reel Strip - this is the strip of plastic that has the symbols. It attaches to the Plastic Reel, originally via a glue substance which has long dried up. If you reattach the reel strips, it's easiest (but not exactly prettiest) to use scotch tape. I use tape, I don't care. Some casinos do too. -- Black Tab - this is a little piece of plastic attached to the Plastic Reel. It's what tells the machine what position the Plastic Reel is upon each rotation. This is what determines the alignment. It can (carefully!) be slid forward and back to make small adjustments to where the symbols land. It's extremely fragile, and the game will not work without it, so be super careful if you adjust this thing! If it breaks off, usually taking a piece of the plastic reel with it, there is still ways to fix it though. But let's try to keep it in one piece, you have enough to deal with here.