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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S2000 and Vision Games => Topic started by: GOS on May 19, 2017, 09:43:11 AM
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I believe this to be a V2000 vision game - I know NOTHING about these games - not a fan of S2000 anyway - so not sure if I want to mess with this. I found one for sale for $825.00 so that kind of tells me what I am about the hear from NLG.
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i purchased this game and extra parts - machine was set up for coin play so the coin handling is all there. HAVE NOT PLUGGED IT IN!!
Have parts that I have no idea what they are - or where they go. So the first few pictures are of the parts I?
the last 2 pictures are the upper cabinet - there is a monitor and wiring to the left -maybe some of the parts go there.
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Just because you have extra parts doesn't mean that you need them. I would start with testing/replacing the coin batteries on the MPU and the top monitor. Verify that all of the chips are installed (take some pics of the MPU so we can see what you are running). Next, if it were me, I would fire it up and see what you get. If it's been sitting a while you will have to clear all of the common errors by turning the attendent key and such. I'm assuming you are familiar with that, If not, check the forum for S2000 setup procedure. Once you fire it up let us know what you get. I'm not the top notch expert but I have built 5 Visions from scratch, I may be able to help. Good luck and keep us posted.
Pic 1: I have no idea what that is.
Pic 2: I/O card. You should have 1 mounted against the MPU and 1 in the door
Pic 3: I can't be sure but it looks like a power supply that has been taken apart. REALLY NOT SURE THOUGH.
Pic 4: On the right is the top box (vision) monitor. On the left is where your harnesses come through to connect to the monitor, sound, etc...
Pic 5: In the center is the distribution board. It connects your Netplex and powered devices.Namely your vision monitor and amplifier. (you may or may not need that board for the monitor depending on the harness. Most of the time if there is not a printer in the top box the harness will go directly to the monitor). On the right is the amplifier board for the sound.
Hope that helps,
Ian
:Please_Post_Pictures_2: of the MPU. Also, on the top of the vision monitor ther is a slot. Remove the data card from that slot and take pics of any stickers showing the BGM number. The slot on the side can and should remain empty.
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thats a start - appreciate it - first vision so it is all new to me - will try to power up and see what error i get - then look at finding where the parts go - thank you
what clear and key chips do I need - just in case? game chips in board are
BT2/u44 VS0110-X0
GM2/u46 SG000380
GM1 SG000380
stepper base SB000188
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put machine together as best i could - power up NADA - nothing no lights - nothing. Here are pictures of the power supply? and wiring going to the mother board - anyone see anything out of order?
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Is the power supply seated firmly and tight? The one behind the reels? Does the interior cabinet light come on when you open the door? If all answers are yes, do you get any lights on the edge of the MPU? Any lights on that power distribution board next to the MPU?
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did not check the power supply behind the reels - there are no lights anywhere - I also got 2 power supply modules with this machine (see pics) I bought this machine from a family whos dad passed away - he had been working on it - so the parts i got may or may not belong
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PROGRESS - Kinda - checked out the power supply behind the reels - this PS just plugs into a socket - no wire harness - so i turned on/off several times and voila - it powered up - got the RAM ERROR - which I did not try to clear - powered off - then back to dead again - have to keep on off several times to get it to power - i tried using a power strip to on off to see if it is the machines power on off - seems to be an issue in the machine - POWER SUPPLY??? also should the monitor power up or does the ram error need to be fixed first?
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Try turning the machines jackpot reset key, then follow whats said in the front display. If it's like a S2000 you will need to turn the key 3-4 time, then your prompted to push the MPU white button..
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The top monitor should fire up independently of the machine as a whole. Normally you may not know that it has powered up (other than the fan running). On the back of the monitor there is a slot with a cover with 2 screws in it. Remove that cover. Just to the left of the simm (memory) slots, there are 2 pins labeled J1. Put a jumper on those pins. This will allow you to see the boot process of the top monitor.
However, that can really wait until you get thae machine running. It sounds like you may have a power supply issue although it's hard to be sure. Do you have any other S2000 machines that you can borrow parts from?
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no other s2000 - would it be the power supply behind the reels or the distribution boards behind the hopper? I do have some "spare" power supply modules that came with the machine - i pictured them earlier in this thread - have no idea what the are for.
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It doesn't happen often but you can also check the power switch with a volt meter. Make sure you have good continuity when the switch is on.
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there are 2 modules - one looks to be the right size - and has a cage - I didn't try taking the ps out of the machine and disassemble - may do that too. THANK YOU
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The power suppy behind thew reels would be more suspect than the power distribution board behind the hopper. I don't see those go bad often. To me it is suspect that he would remove a good board from the power supply case if it was good. Never hurts to try though. Just verify it is the same.
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Before tearing it apart, loosen the thunb screw on the left side. push to the left and disconnect the PS. Then reset it by pushing firmly to the right. Try to power the machine and see if that helps.
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The power supply behind the reels should be firmly seated to the right and secured with a thumb screw on the left of it. Your monitor will come on and show dot's and dashes or so once the machine starts booting. Normal for it to take 2 minutes or more for a vision to fully boot. Also check for the data card located in the top slot of the monitor. If there is a card in the side slot, remove it. It will only slow boot process down. Of course all this once you have power.
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In testing the on/off you just want continuity when in the on position. Never mind how many poles. Continuity in the on then no continuity in the off posision. I'm not sure what PS's go for but $85 seems high to me. Try posting a WTB on NLG. Unless you've already ordered it. I've gotten plenty of stuff from Spin and when I had problems they always make it right. Keep us posted.
Ian
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PROGRESS!!!!! power supply for SPIN - got me past the on/off issues and now I am at
"WAITING FOR THE VIDEO DISPLAY"
how I got here:
"game eprom crc mismatch - 0xB000001"
"non recoverable data error"
"some critical data will be lost"
"NETPLEX Auto-Config in Progress"
somewhere along the line i turned the reset key 3 time
got a message to hold the Test button 2-3 seconds.
So now I have the video monitor issue. The monitor have wait message configuring
Here are pics of the monitor wiring etc.
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Please post a pic of your data card. There will be stickers with "BGM" numbers and such. Also, the card goes in the top of the monitor, not the side. Waiting for video display (on VFD)means the software in the bottom box is waiting for a signal from the software in the top box monitor. We need to make sure you have the correct BGM and make sure it's in the correct slot. The side slot should be empty.
Ian
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here is the data card mounted on top of monitor - there is a flash card inserted in the side of the monitor
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Yes, definitely check/change the battery. I thought I mentioned it before but maybe not. Remove the card from the side slot. This was used mostly for casinos to ad advertizing and such. I am work so I can't research you BGM #'s right now. Check the battery and let us know.
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Top or side it does not matter. Have you jumpered J1 to be able to view the boot sequence on the top box? Sometimes two cards are needed what is marked on the other card?
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did not jump J1 as the instructions given earlier mentioned once game is running. This jump will allow display of the boot process and identify where the issue is?
Just to clarify - i bought this machine not running from a guy who was messing with it - so there may be some wiring harness issues
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Game is more or less past the original problem time to start working on the top box. Jumper J1.
Wiring could be an issue it seems like the mpu is getting zero response from the top box. Is the thinner battery making good contact?
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i bent the plus contact arm down - battery doesn't move. will try the jumper the other card - think it said 2g FLASH no info on what was on it.
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i installed the J1 jumper - after taking videos of the display I got a message no drives found aborting installation
before that device name CD003
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It sounds dumb but make sure the flash card is not backwards and is fully seated. You may have a connection issue or it could be the card itself. Don't mind the cd003 part. All of my visions do that. I'm on my phone so i can't see your pics too well. I'll check when i get home.
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is this a better pic
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Not much but I can see that the OS at least recognises that there is a64 gig flash card installed. That makes your "no drive found" error a bit confusing. I don't suppose you have a flash card reader or an old laptop that has a PCMCIA slot, do you?
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OK, I just looked as close as I can and see that error applies to CD003. It says that because you have no CD installed (if I'm remembering my old DOS days correctly). No need to worry about that. The top monitor's operating system sees your flash card. So, now we need to figure out why it's not booting. What does it say at the very end when NOTHING else happens?
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There is 3 different games on the card. Either sb or data not matching.
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The SB should pick the correct game on it's own. I have some cards with more than 1 BGM. I think as long as they're not the same game "type", it should pick it out. There's a list of the BGM game types somewhere. Just can't remember where. Still need to know where the boot process stops and what the screen says. That may help.
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Yes 3 games is good. SB has to match bgm. Something is most likely not connected.
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It's odd for 2 reasons. 1, I haven't seen that message even with no data card installed and 2, it clearly shows a 64 gig drive at Hard Disk 0. It just goes to show, one cannot know everything. That's why I love this forum. On the bright side, we are a lot further than when we started. We'll get it soon enough. :yes:
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Does the VFD on your reel glass ever say "MS Verify: App Start"?
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no message
i will try to take a video later in the load process as the video is to large to sell - hard to break down frame by frame on my iphone
here is more info
no valid cdrom device drivers selected
all files in directory will be deleted
are you sure y/n? Y
instead of using chkdsk /F try using SCANDISK. SCANDISK can reliably detect
and fix a much wider range of disk problems.
volumn RFA10025
BUNCH OF DISK SPACE
will try to video later display tomorrow
The SCANDISK mentioned - that is the one I was told to take out to speed up the load process - I will put that back in tomorrow.
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I got the video you sent. EVEYTHING looks normal.
[size=0px]"no valid cdrom device drivers selected[/size][/size][size=0px]all files in directory will be deletedare you sure y/n? Yinstead of using chkdsk /F try using SCANDISK. SCANDISK can reliably detectand fix a much wider range of disk problems.volumn RFA10025"
This shows evey time when I boot my visions. It looks like errors but all of that is normal. After it says "initializing, please wait..." does it do anything else? Have you just waited for some time after it says that to see what happens? Does your VFD on the reel glass ever say "MS Verify: app start"?
I am going out with the wife but will check back in when I can. I didn't see on your video where it says "no drive" or whatever. Like to see that.
Ian[/size]
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Take some pictures of the harness connections on the top box and where they go on both ends.
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thats a start - appreciate it - first vision so it is all new to me - will try to power up and see what error i get - then look at finding where the parts go - thank you
what clear and key chips do I need - just in case? game chips in board are
BT2/u44 VS0110-X0
GM2/u46 SG000380
GM1 SG000380
stepper base SB000188
Is the version vs011GXO ? SG380 needs that or GX1. But VFD would say wrong vs
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I got the video you sent. EVEYTHING looks normal.
[size=0px]"no valid cdrom device drivers selected[/size][size=0px]all files in directory will be deletedare you sure y/n? Yinstead of using chkdsk /F try using SCANDISK. SCANDISK can reliably detectand fix a much wider range of disk problems.volumn RFA10025"
This shows evey time when I boot my visions. It looks like errors but all of that is normal. After it says "initializing, please wait..." does it do anything else? Have you just waited for some time after it says that to see what happens? Does your VFD on the reel glass ever say "MS Verify: app start"?
I am going out with the wife but will check back in when I can. I didn't see on your video where it says "no drive" or whatever. Like to see that.
Ian[/size]
when i get the please wait - i let it sit for awhile - didn't track the time - my plan today is to reinsert that scandisk drive - then try to take a video later in the process so I can read it - the last steps fly by quickly - trying to freeze frame is difficult. thank you for all your help
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i will look at the connections - again as I mentioned the original owner had spent alot of time (he passed away - so have no idea where he left off) all of the connections have tape numbering on them so i think he did a good job not screwing up the harnesses - but will follow them thru - i have the manual with the connections to verify.
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no progress - tried the scan disk that I removed - no change. checked the 4 wire harnesses going to the monitor - all connect to correct plugs.
left running for 20 minutes no change. Noticed the fan in the monitor box is not working? I saw mention about a fan in some threads. Latest video display didn't show any new messages
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The fan issue does not relate directly to your issue but it does need to be solved. I bought one off ebay pretty cheap. In watching the video you first sent me I see one thing that stands out. At one point it says
"IVALID DRIVE SPECIFICATION"
"INVALID MEDIA TYPE"
Let me run the boot process on one of my visions and compare. In the meantime, make sure there are no other jumpers installed on the monitor's board. I don't knkow what all they do but J1 is the only jumper on mine.
Stand by....
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Ok, never mind.
"IVALID DRIVE SPECIFICATION"
"INVALID MEDIA TYPE"
is nothing. mine says the same thing and boots fine. I'm starting to think that your monitor is is just fine. Normally, after the "initializing, please wait...", you should be able to look down at your VFD display and, if all is well, you get "MS Verify: App Start". What does your VFD say?
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I'm starting to think Cowboy or qbert, can't remember which, may have nailed it. Connection issue. Both the machine and the monitor appear to act normal but are waiting for signals from eachother in order to proceed. Without that signal it's just stuck.
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Take some pictures of the harness connections on the top box and where they go on both ends.
Need pictures of where the connections go!
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I think Rich meant the connections from the monitor to the machine.
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Picture of the back of the vision unit
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i corrected the pictures - I chased the 4 connections from the vision unit to the lower module connection - the wires all match color wise to the module and to the wiring in the vision unit - so all 4 connections pass correctly to the lower module Which leave the wiring from the lower module to?? will chase back to the motherboard/power distribution next.
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I haven't had a vision machine for years so my memory is foggy. Are there any cards, like ram, plugged into the topbox computer motherboard? If so, you might try cleaning the edge connectors and reinserting them
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Rather than tracing the harness all the way to the motherboard, lets take it in sections. On the back of the monitor there is a 10 netplex connector. This is the highway between the MPU and the monitor. Take a pic of where it goes first after leaving the monitor.
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here are the pictures - the wires go to nexplex bottom plug j2
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On the motherboard there are 2 netplex J2 J3 they look identical currently using the J2?
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Ok, never mind.
"IVALID DRIVE SPECIFICATION"
"INVALID MEDIA TYPE"
is nothing. mine says the same thing and boots fine. I'm starting to think that your monitor is is just fine. Normally, after the "initializing, please wait...", you should be able to look down at your VFD display and, if all is well, you get "MS Verify: App Start". What does your VFD say?
just the wait for monitor message
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the J2 and J3 plugs to the motherboard were reversed - I checked the wiring from the monitor and round that error - don't know if that may have caused damage; no change to the game. Strange that IGT would have 2 plugs abutting that had the same plug design.
Still getting the waiting on the monitor - after the nexplex loading display the bv cycles so it sounds like it almost ready to game up. Also the tower lights - both are lit if that means anything.
With this game there was a spare cpu and motherboard - he may have changed them out trying to fix whatever issue he was chasing.
Would running a CLEAR do any good?
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Pictures of connections in the top box???
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the J3 which is the netplex
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Long shot- I had a 500 series MPU that would not work in one of my Reel Touch machines. Doing the same type of thing that your vision is doing. (Waiting on display) I installed that MPU in a standard S2K three reel machine and it worked fine. Put it back in the Reel Touch got the same waiting on display. I replaced the MPU and then the Reel Touch worked without issues.
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all the switching and you ended up just using another cpu?
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I originally changed out the CPU and that fixed the Reel Touch. I was not convinced the old CPU was bad so I stuck it in a 3 reeler to check it out and it worked in that machine. Puzzled I stuck it back in the Reel Touch and again it did not work. Put it back in the 3 reeler and it has been in there operating for about two years now.
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don't have that luxury - only s2000 i got and want - will try the other cpu.
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Like I said it's a long shot. If you have another CPU it won't hurt to try it. I still believe its a connection problem somewhere between the video monitor and the CPU. Make sure one of the wires in the plugs did not slip back and is not making a good connection. Also make sure one of the pins on the video unit connector didn't slip back either.
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i checked all the pins - my concern is that fact the j2 and j3 were reversed. will try the other cpu - have to remove the varta battery and see if the other battery is any good
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If my memory serves me right they are both neplex connections it shouldn't matter if they were reversed however have you gone back into the I/O tests and tried to cfg neplex since you made that change?
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The other board wouldn't sense door optics so no luck there No I didn't try to access test don't know how
the other board had a fried U67 IC which i didn't see when i removed the varta battery - so that board is toast.
will look into running the io tests
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at this point i have chased down all the wiring - so the issue must be in one of the boards/modules - is it worth trying a clear? Here is the CPU board I have. I am still trying to get a video download so i can view frame by frame to see if there is an error message I haven't seen yet.
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I looked at your video pretty much fram by frame and all looks normal (same as my visions). I really think there is a break in communication, be it a connection or the MPU board itself (or MB for that matter). Speaking of the board, remove that green varta battery and inspect for damage. Just so I'm clear, does the netplex harness go from the top monitor directly to the motherboard uninterupted? Mine go one of two ways: from the top monitor to the distribution board, then down to the MB, or from the monitor to a 3X3 molex, then to the MB. It usually depends on whether or not there is a printer in the top box. No printer, no need for distribution board as far as Netplex goes. If it goes though a connector, disconnect it and be sure that all pins are secure in the connector. It's rare but I've seen them get pushed out the back. If it goes through the distribution board, remove it and check continuity across the netplex connectors with a volt ohm meter. I know you may have done all of that but I just want to make sure we eliminate all wired connections before we go telling you to buy a board. Heck, I'm out of spares or I'd send you one. Good luck, fingers crossed. Ian
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Ian - I thought I had a lot of time on my hands - appreciate all the help - didn't check the varta battery (visually it looked god - so I didn't go deeper)
The J3 Netplex connection from the Video to the MB - passes thru a connection - top box to bottom box - no distribution board - the continuity goes thru to the MB - don't know if you read my earlier posting - the J3 at the MB was reversed with the J2 at the MB. After i corrected still no change. Lastly - sometimes I end up with all the buttons lit on the door panel - other times not. Also, I believe the MB was swapped out as was the CPU but the cpu is damaged (has a fried U67). Will go back and check and remove the varta battery.
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The netplex connections being swapped should not make a difference. Rich had mentioned that you may have to re config netplex devices but in my head I can't see how to do that until the machine boots completely. He may be right about the board if all you continuity tests are good. I think I can get you one pretty cheap. I just need to find the time to run up to my buddy's shop. I need to go pick up a Game King for a friend so it'd be a good time to pick up a few boards. I'll let you know. Ian
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I would tend to believe there has to be communication between the top box and MPU or the MPU wouldn't be waiting for the top box to start. It knows it's there and not running. Did you ever check to see if there are RAM chips in the top box? Could you possibly send your top box to someone with a vision machine to try it and verify it works?
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here is a pic of the top box cpu - also of note - the lights on the cpu are off - they are on during the startup. I removed the varta battery from the cpu - there was no corrosion - actually cpu looks like it may be new.
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Lower left corner of your picture, those appear to be DDR ram sticks, try swapping them to each others sockets. I had a Reel Touch that wouldn't start in the top box due to bad RAM one time
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no effect - asked this question earlier - are the lights on the cpu supposed to be on all the time? they are off when I am waiting for the monitor
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I can't remember of the top of my head. Will check when I get home.
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no effect - asked this question earlier - are the lights on the cpu supposed to be on all the time? they are off when I am waiting for the monitor
Sorry it took so long to get back with you. When I boot mine I have a green with 2 ambers right above it. After the BV fires up it goes to one amber on the top of the row. I haven't been up to my buddies shop yet but need to go soon. I'll check on board for you.
Ian
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I would tend to believe there has to be communication between the top box and MPU or the MPU wouldn't be waiting for the top box to start. It knows it's there and not running. Did you ever check to see if there are RAM chips in the top box? Could you possibly send your top box to someone with a vision machine to try it and verify it works?
I believe it is the SB that triggers The "waiting for video display" message since it is a vision SB and it knows it needs the display. Whatever return message it's looking for doesn't seem to ever come through and vise-versa. I'd be happy to test the monitor for him but shipping to and from could almost buy a new monitor. If he was close I'd take a 12 pack and spend an afternoon trying to figure it out. Lord knows I've got spare parts.
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This one has been tricky. RFA10025 is good, ata10065 and the bgm seems good version is good . SB??? Wish you could post video to YouTube showing vfd and monitor messages. That would show us so much.
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Here is his video at half speed. Everything looks to be as it shoud be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpc-rF5E5ok (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpc-rF5E5ok)
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I see initializing please wait, what is the vfd display reading?
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Waiting for video display on vfd
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I see initializing please wait, what is the vfd display reading?
Jim, do you agree everything looks normal on the monitor? And the MPU gets all the way to "waiting on video display". Next step would be "MS Verify: app start" on VFD. That's the moment we lose something....
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My long shot is looking better. MPU or wiring.
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The J3 checked from monitor to motherboard Looks like the motherboard was changed as there was a spare one So what other wiring? And CPu? Replaced the power supply as machine was dead initially
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You checked all of the pins in the plugs and verified continuity of the harness wire?
You said the other MPU had the classic door MB problem that's probably why it was there. What about this one I'm starting to believe you need to change it out .
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Checked pins J3 The other CPU had ftied U67 haven't swapped out the motherboards as i believe that was ddone
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I do not believe it's the motherboard. CPU is suspect if you ohmed out the harness. Did you check for a bent pin on the MPU plugs
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I only checked j3 Cpu pins good Conn to mb good
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Yes it looks like it's booting normal, just won't finish. I know there are 2 different mb for s2k. Think the one for vision is printed video/??. When he talked about j2 and j3 being in the wrong order, that's the difference between the boards. I'm still in Los Angeles, will be home Friday night
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It must be checked out in a vision machine read my earlier post about a long shot. I have a CPU that works perfect in a regular S2000 three, four or five reel machine but it will not work in a Reel Touch or vision machine it does the same thing as this one is doing.
I thought I had the only CPU that did this but maybe this is a failure mode that occurs.
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i am back from my trip and eager to get this thing working - while i was away I asked Paul at spin if there are different cpu for vision and s2000
answer
Yes thet are 765105xx and 755127xx
The 105 is older type. The 127 is the 044 version
so the cpu i have in the machine now 75510502 the spare board with the fried u67 75510504
so i assume the 765105xx paul mentioned is a typo. What about the U52? 32828122 H2 on the old board and 328002100 on the current board
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They are referring to the 500 series boards like 502 and 504 when he says 765105xx.
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i am back from my trip and eager to get this thing working - while i was away I asked Paul at spin if there are different cpu for vision and s2000
answer
Yes thet are 765105xx and 755127xx
The 105 is older type. The 127 is the 044 version
so the cpu i have in the machine now 75510502 the spare board with the fried u67 75510504
so i assume the 765105xx paul mentioned is a typo. What about the U52? 32828122 H2 on the old board and 328002100 on the current board
None of my visions have a 1270 (7551270) board. As stated previously, 765105xx, the xx is either 02 or 04. Mine are 02's. The 7551270, for example, is an enhanced board which requires a daughter board for the software. I have NO experience using an enhanced board on a Vision machine. I'm not saying that it won't work, just that I have never used it for Vision. My advise is to see if you can get your hands on a 504 (76510504). A 502 will work fine as well and will probably be cheaper. They can be know for noise throught speakers while reels are spinning. If someone else knows about running an enhanced board in a vision, please chime in.
**NOTE**
I still consider myself new to this hobby so please excuse me if I'm wrong. Isn't an 044 board for Game King/I-Game and NOT the same as 1270? Hell, I own both and there are obvious differences (not even mentioning the assy # on the board being different). So why does Spin call a 1270 an 044?? Enlighten me, please.
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the cpu boards that I have - assuming the one that is damaged was the original cpu 75510502 - here are the differences that I see
75510504
jumpers from REEL1 to D705
REEL2 to D711
REEL3 to D717
REEL4 to D723
REEL5 to D729
D3 to E23
these are the obvious differences.
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What city and state are you in. Maybe a member is close by and can test your chips and software. It is really leaning toward you needing a new 502 or 504 board.
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the cpu boards that I have - assuming the one that is damaged was the original cpu 75510502 - here are the differences that I see
75510504
jumpers from REEL1 to D705
REEL2 to D711
REEL3 to D717
REEL4 to D723
REEL5 to D729
D3 to E23
these are the obvious differences.
The jumpers on the 504 board is normal. I can't tell you why, just something they did to those boards. There is a RevA and a RevB on the 504 board.
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Is this what you are talking about?
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no power supply where power corr attaches - this is the picture of the power supply - the grey wiring mentioned are located on the front of the p/s to the right of the ribbon cable - 3 grey wires with traces.
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That would not have been my diagnosis since everything is powering up. Did they say your mpu tested good?
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I had one once where those wires were not plugged in. The plug was in the wiring harness and after finding it all was good.
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Well, I'll be dambed! I unplugged the grey wires in one of my Visions and low and behold, exact same symptom. I'll be making a mental note if that's all is was. :nerd:
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I thought about it many times. His wasn't unplugged, sounds like maybe a broken wire. Should be easy to check with a continuity meter. Or the board at distribution is bad.
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Pretty sure he checked the continuity of all the wires. That leaves the distribution box.
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SUCCESS - sort of - new power supply (the one behind the hopper - not behind the reels) - MONITOR WORKS!!!!! still no inside light. Now I get CLOSURE M and COIN IN JAM - not sure if this means anything - the machine pictured on the monitor is for a SITDOWN!
this machine has coin handling - no printer - the wiring going to the power supply - there is a 2 3-wire connections - not sure which is the correct plug. When I turn the j/p key the accounting menu appears on the monitor. Do I need to do a key setup?
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Try opening and closing the door a few times. I know that should clear a closure m as long as you have no actual closure issues. Not sure on the coin in jam. Still, give it a shot. Does the BV fire up and the reels spin?
Monitor being for a slant top will not be an issue. It's just in the software. Different .bmp image.
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i closed the door several times - couldn't find a door switch for the belly glass - yes the reels spin - the bv did cycle. Concerned about the 3 wire plug not being in the right spot (the p/s is different than the original one). Also the picture of a sitdown on the error display on the monitor? The coin comparitor is lit? which seems strange with the door open.
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No worries on the sitdown image. This is just a different .bmp image in the software. I have changed many images in my software to make custom screens. It won't matter. The switch for the belly glass is in the upper left hand corner of the opening. Usually a small brown switch. Some errors can be stubborn. A clear should be last resort but if you're going to keep this machine I would have both a clear and key on hand. Let's let some other folks jump in on your 2 errors. I'm not sure which 3 wire plug you mean. Can you post a pic?
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the picture of my old power supply is on prior page of thread (has a blue tape around the connector) - there are 2 3 pin plugs on the box.
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I think the one with the tape needs to be plugged in. I have gotten machines in the past with the one on the right not plugged in and the machine worked. I've never traced down where they go. Sorry, I can't answer that one. Since everything seems to be working other than the errors, I would concentrate on that. I'll poke around the forum and see what I can find.
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Closure M is not an error but a notification. No worries there. Coin in jam had a bunch of different posts. Most of them were in coinless machines. Need some help from other members on that one. If you have a key chip I would try keying the machine and make sure all of the settings are correct for a machine with a hopper. The key menu will come up on your top montior so it's very easy to navigate. Since you have no printer make sure that is disabled. I use a key 45 and clear 224. I only clear if all else fails.
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Unless the bulb is bad, no light = not seeing door open thus opening and closing doesn't occur to clear error. Especially for the key going to accounting. I'm not in front of a machine but don't think turning the key with door open would do that. A Ram error won't clear with the door closed. Just my thought on this. I wonder what happens if he goes into test mode if it thinks the door is closed.
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door optics were working earlier in the debug phase - that is - when I got the ram error message - and test switch to get the door close message - that worked then - at least got me past the close door message - will look for the belly glass door switch and try the test button tomorrow and try to figure out the 3 wire plug on the power supply
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this is what i have found out to this point
"closure M" - can not find a belly glass switch or indication there ever was one - wire diagram I have shows a P/J455 not to be found.
"coin in Jam" the cc light is ON with door open? changed out the optic board - no effect.
none of the bulbs on the door (25cent " BV bezel) are lit
the reels do spin - the bv does cycle.
the curtesy light is still not on.
the 3 pin molex on the power module - schematic says j305 not used switched ac - j/p 304 top box switched ac - no effect in any location or not at all.
if I press the test button I get the test menu - guess i need a key chip to proceed?
turning the reset key goes into accounting.
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Closure M just means the door was open and is closed now, it's a tell tale. Coin in jam is commonly associated with IO card issues, make sure they are seated and working. If the door is closed the jackpot reset will always take you into accounting. Use the white test button on the front of the MPU for full menu access
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the test button brings up the menu - but I cannot scroll thru.
the board mounted on the door behind the light panel or the one mounted on side of cpu compartment? is that the board you refer to
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The one mounted to the sidewall. Tje IO cards are on the door and sidewall of the MPU housing. If you push the test button, get an accounting menu and the player panel buttons won't let you scroll through the menu, then you may well have a door IO card issue. They are very static sensitive
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Spin - clear and key chip - using clear 97 and instructions on NLG - (clear 97 - 2 lights - replace SB - etc) never get to point of machine type mismatch)
Spin - clear 97 - 2 lights - replace clear with Key chip (17) - 2 lights come on - replace with SB - somehow within the test switch and reset key go the KEY menu to come up - then nothing - the service and cashout buttons - nothing!!!
Why all the conflicting instructions?
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In out cards will keep buttons from working. Did you reseat them? 1 is next to mpu, 1 next to hinge on door under display.
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reseated both of them - even have a spare on for the door. no effect - the instructions on NLG don't seem to work - after the clear and the key chip - installing the base chip has me turning the jackpot key then press the test button - reels spin then I get the KEY menu - but can't do anymore than that. The clear instructions say nothing about turning key or pressing test button hence the confusion
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There should be no ket turning required. After clearing, put key chip in. After keying, put SB chip in. After restart it should go straight to key menu. Never shut the door thru this process. Door gets shut only after all programming in key menu is complete
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1. clear 97 - 2 lights on
2. key 17 - 2 lights on
3. sb chip reinstalled - ram error
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To me it looks like you have the wrong key chip. I had to use a key 31 on mine, just went with a 45 because they work on everything
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will try the key31 - thank you
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Same result with the key 31 Ram error
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I always put the SB in after clear. turn key 4 times, hold button, close main door, reels spin, open door, turn key 3 times, end up at machine type mismatch. install key chip, get 2 lights, reinstall SB, goes straight to key menu.
It's just the way I learned (best I can recollect as I'm at work right now). I never knew of a shorter process.
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Will try that BUT nlg instructions say orherwise
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Still NO does not follow any instructions Is the issue VISION and instructions are S2000?
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It is a S2000, does not matter if it is vision or reel touch they all clear and key the same.
Why don't you give us a step-by-step of what you are doing and what the machine is doing.
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Nope, only difference should be key chip depending on age. Key chip can't be older than the software platform
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a video for 3 steps - 2 steps or whichever CLEAR I do the results are exactly the same
1. CLEAR 97 - 2 lights come on - power off
2. KEY 17 - 2 lights come on -power off
3. install base chip - DOES NOT go into the KEY MENU!!!
machine starts to load NETPLIX etc.
NO DOOR OPENED OR CLOSED - NO KEY TURNED - NO TEST BUTTON
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Have you tried replacing the 6 pin EEPROM on the back-plane board?
It seems like it is the only common denominator to all of your problems.
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How long are you waiting for key menu. A vision will have to fully boot before the key will show. So yes netplix, app start, waiting on video etc.
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never get the "machine type mismatch" after the sb chip installed - never get the alarm sound. As mentioned earlier - I do get the KEY MENU by going thru the boot up steps - but then the buttons do not work - SO - as others have mentioned - the IO board on the door? still problem with the CPU?
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Elvis brings up a good point. Both vision and reel touch must completely boot the top box before any of the key screens come up on the bottom. It could take up to 7 minutes depending on the jurisdiction chips being used.
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Plus your key menu will come up on the vision monitor and your buttons will light for using. This is the biggest reason I asked for some video, so I can see exactly what is going on. I have 11 vision machines running in my collection and consider myself understanding them very well. I must have missed the part where you needed to do the clear. Had the machine finally booted up and played a game? Just doing a clear does not set off the machine mismatch. Quite often replacing batteries does. I want your machine running MORE than you do.
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machine has a coin in jam error - according to spin - the clear was needed after they "repaired" the cpu - i appreciate the request for a video - but i think i have described what is happening - the issue now is that I AM IN THE KEY menu but the buttons do not work - so the journey to this point means there is a problem with the CPU (still) or those io boards mentioned many many times. I can't get any response from SPIN
The REELS SPIN - THE BV does actuate - NO LIGHTS on the display - buttons do not light up - all wiring to the door has been checked.
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Do you have coin in equipment? If not is the bypass plug in the harness? The machine was in pieces so we can guess it had not been working for a while. What is happening now when you turn it on? Is it booting up and almost ready for play, then coin in?? Are you and Qbert within driving distance of each other?
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If I just start with the SB chip - go through all the setup - reels spin etc - i get the m closure and COIN IN JAM. Yes there is coin handling (cc - hopper etc). Never get past the coin in jam error - hence the CLEAR.
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Forcing key menu access won't light the buttons, just lets you verify settings. If it goes to the key menu on it's own after using the key chip and the buttons still don't light, then you likely have a bad IO card. If you have a 10 button player panel there are 2 IO cards on the door and you could try swapping them to see what happens
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getting to the key menu as I said - the buttons do not light or work - the IO this is not a 10 button game - (see picture of machine beginning of post) - I have 2 of the IO cards (1 spare - both no change)
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I think it was me that brought up doing a clear. Some leftover errors are stubborn. Plus, I had one that was giving me coin in jam (although mine was coinless) and I know I didn't replace any hardware to get rid of it. I just couldn't remember what I did so I was assuming I cleared it. As with GOS, this was a machine that was new to me. Only difference is that I was converting it over to a Vision.
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Ok I believe we are close. Make sure you check for bent pins on the IO cards. Most of the time coin in error is corrected with a good card. If you are reasonably convinced that both IO cards are good it may be a true coin in jam. A bad optic set located just below the coin comparator could be the culprit. When this happened to me I spent a few hours playing with IO cards and finally laughed to myself that it really was a coin in jam caused by the coin optics.
Rich
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Unplug the comparitor/optics harness from the machine and put a jumper on the machine side harness. That might bypass an optics issue
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no bent pins - swapped out the optic board. Based on the problems with ALL the boards so far - I doubt the io cards are good.
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how do you bypass the coin optics? i did change out the optic board
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Since we are looking at the IO cards, could the machine possible have the wrong ones installed?
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You unplug the comparitor/optics harness from the machine harnes. It's behind and a little to the right of the comparitor mounting bracket. Then plug a bypass into the machine harness. Maybe someone can dig upnthe topic that shows which pins get jumped by that plug. I'm on my phone and it's a pain in the ass to search
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changed out that eeprom - no change.
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moving on - inspecting the coin comparitor harness - never seen one like this - has what seems to be connections for S+ and a S2000!!
Since last posts seem to be aimed at fixing the coin in jam error - could this be a cause?
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The harness looks correct to me.. Two pin plug the back of comparitor, next closest to comparitor side plug, and last plug to coin optics...
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IO card is still suspect
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Guys, isn't this the jumper you were talking about? To eliminate the comparitor/optics. I/O may stll be suspect but we haven't ruled out optics. It seems a jumper wire could be made if GOS doesn't have the actual IGT one.
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thank you for the offer - I can make one up from the picture - will do so tomorrow
Here it is with the jumper connector pulled off. Jump connections as shown.
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my assumption then is that this will clear the coin in jam based on an issue within the door allowing me to continue with the clear and key setup or at least get the game to game up.
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Theoretically, if it doesn't you may have a defective I/O card.
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I began loosely watching this post for the first few weeks.. I lost interest a month ago... it's been over 2 months and 12 PAGES of posts... it is possible for GOS to just send out his boards and get them checked ???? I give a lot of credit to those who have chimed in to help as I'm frustrated just seeing the "run for your money" post's everyday.. I can't imagine how those who have helped must feel....
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A bad I/O board could be why your buttons don't work either.
If there is a bad IO, wouldn't that also cause the coin in jam message?
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Probably, but it depends how much was burned up.
It could also be.... those cards look alike, maybe they got swapped.
Any one know the proper model for the I/O board?
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801 or 802, either should work. 801 would be the origional used by IGT though
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The point is, if the coin in jam is coming from the coinnequipment and not the IO card, it might be preventing the game starting to the point where the keychip menu can be accesed with the key chip.
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The jumper should prove that theory one way or the other.
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the saga continues - sorry - installing the jumper - no effect - tried both IO boards - same - COIN IN JAM.
Both boards are part no 75427801 code 100973 (the boards mounted on door light panel) - the board mounted on side of CPU compartment has no labels on it.
Did NOT try a clear again.
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To quote a sage old line from Galaxy Quest.
"never give up, never surrender".
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One more time are they known good IO cards!! or is it just the stuff you got with the machine and unknown?
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801 cards are cheap, talk to one of the sellers
Could be MPU, but you said Spin tested it. I assume you inspected the socket at the bottom of the IO card slot and the door harness where it plugs into the motherboard. Keep in mind IO cards are VERY static sensitive and any kind of short in the circuit or anything connected to that IO card can cause a failure.
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came with the machine - so far every major component has had issues - I have seen machines at auction where sellers purposely stuffed bad boards in a machine but based on what i see - the departed owner pulled his hair out as well - tracing down wiring etc. I have a spare mother board which I haven't tried - (did swap out the eeprom). Got a call into spin as i have problems with repairs in the past. Thank you all
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SPIN has control - they are checking out ALL the components (some again) the cpu - the monitor - the IO cards - AND the backplane board.
Thank you for CONDENSING the posts _ HOPEFULLY - SPIN will resolve this issue and my next post will be my last on this one. Thank you all for your patience - I learned a lot about S2000 - and hope the solutions posted here - will help others solve their issues with these "not so home friendly" machines.
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saga continues - sorry - SPIN found nothing wrong with the boards (io - backplane etc)
since the coin in jam seems to be caused by the wiring from the coin handling (the jumper) I will trace all the wires back to the backplane - maybe there is a break in a wire.
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checked wiring from the comparitor harness (15 pin molex) to the IO board amp harness - from the output harness from the io board back to the backplane harness - all wiring is good.
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Have you looked at the socket fornthe door IO card to be sure there are no issues there? Tried the bypass plug on the comparitor harness machine side? If all boards are good and wiring is good I guess I'm out of ideas. You might try unplugging reel backlighting from the IO card on the MPU housing if the machine has that lighting, then restart it. Pull the hopper out and restart it. Unplug credit display and restart. Unplug VFD and restart
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amp plug on the io card no issues - yes i have the jumper on the machine side of the comparitor harness - haven't tried unplugging various devices - will do so when I get boards back from spin - the assumption i took is that the coin in jam error has to be a board or wiring issue - since the boards are good - i chased the wiring from the comparitor harness thru the io board - back to the backplane board.
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Yeah, I'm wondering about a connected component being weak or bad
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Might be good to work at this from a different way. Try each component from this bad machine one at a time in another known good machine to prove that each component of this bad machine is ok. You might have more than one component acting up, or a compatibility issue between two components. At least you'd prove what is good instead of trying to find what is bad. That would narrow down the list of what part is the cause of the problem.
Also, don't assume anything, prove for a fact what is good. Assumptions are what lead to frustrating and time-consuming deadends.
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spin put all the components into their machine and it worked - so there has to be an issue with the wiring. I checked the coin handling as mentioned. I am waiting for the parts to come back for one last fire up. i hate to give up - I like challenges but I think I have to throw in the towel.
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Have you been able to try an MPU that's newer than the game software? Maybe your MPU's just weren't built to handle that software
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spin checked out all the boards and they are compatible and worked for them
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Ok, wasn't sure if they tried them in a vision machine, butbI assume they tried them with your chipset so it would need to have been a vision
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It already took one life, don't risk another
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This is driving me crazy. I had this issue (the buttons not working after key) awhile back. I just, for the life of me, can't remember how I fixed it. Hell, I can't even remember which machine it was. My brain hurts from trying. :banghead: I've only been on this site for a year or so but I can't remember an issue not being somehow figured out. It's definitely not for a lack of effort and I know a lot of us just wish we could get our hands on this thing. That's what I think it needs is someone in front of it with other working machines and a pile of spare parts.
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This is the only vision game I have ever seen - have worked on s2000 and igames - so i didn't think a vision would be such a challenge - compounding the issue was the number of component failures (power supplies) - Craig as Spin was a great help - he too had no solution. Machine did not come with any good vibes - the owner passed away - hope that isn't an omen.
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Worst case, you might be able to dump all the vision componants and run it standard S2000
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The only thing missing, as far as Craig is concerned, is that he didn't have the entire machine. I'm assuming your not close enough to take it there. Too bad. I really would like to see an outcome on this one. Even if it did make me look like I have no clue what I'm talking about.
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crossed my mind - HOWEVER - maybe the gremlin in the machine will live on and prosper and shorten my life somemore
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the whole purpose of this site is to help and EDUCATE - to learn how to fix problems with NORMAL machines - a lot of time and energy was spent in the pursuit of the cure - thank you all for trying - but I think time has come to put the patient away.
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So sorry your tossing in the towel. Do you have any regular S2000 SG and SB chips? A set of 363's and pretty much any non vision SB to see if it will work without vision. Barry, I would have liked to been by your side and get it going. Never met an IGT I didn't like. Even sadder that you dislike me.
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i have a library of sb chips and s2000 games that i inherited over the years. its probably worth a try - once I get the boards back. don't dislike anyone - i got frustrated with doing the same thing over and over - once I get the boards back I will try to find a game set and give it a go - with the pesky COIN IN JAM error - not sure if the change of games with get me past that - but lets see
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Just thought of something, is your cabinet IO card metal or plastic cased? If it is plastic cased the door IO also needs to be a plastic cased one. If it's metal cased back to your regularly scheduled program.
Also if it is a 5 button deck the door IO should be a 14928001 assuming the cabinet IO is a metal case one should be a 14930200.
Rich
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metal - again SPIN checked the 2 door io boards and the one on the cpu.
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Since May of 2017 - this game has been a headache - hairloss - pain in the ass - EXPENSIVE machine to FIX!!! YES FIX - it is WORKING - qbert drove 3 hours to HELP me - I WATCHED THE MASTER AT WORK - and now i have the most expensive VISION game in existence - to get my money back on parts alone this machine would retail for $1200. Add in minimum wage for the 1000s of hours - machine is PRICELESS. I will let qbart chime in with his solution - HE IS THE VISION MAN.
I learned my lesson - no matter how cheap a machine sells for - if you don't know what you are doing - walk away. Million Thanks to qbert and some valuable information he will relay to all you eager Vision owners.
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Yes, Rich. Please chime in. Love to know what it was.
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how about a raffle to see who is as smart as rich.
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Rich had the advantage of having the machine in front of him.
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yes true - let him explain - I don't want to take away from his proud moment. Once he gets his kudos I will add my 2c to this response
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OK this machine I feel has been a disgrace for my ability to trouble shoot via this forum. That being said multiple issues made for 10 plus pages. We were all making progress and finally "coin in jam" stymied us all. The usual fixes I/O cards wiring etc, etc. did not work. I went to GOS's location loaded for bear. I had a tested and working board set with Run for the money loaded, multiple tested and working I/O card sets, monitor tested and loaded with proper game card, display card and a 5-5-2 / vfd display.
When I arrived, turned on the machine, booted all the way to "coin in jam " but I noticed that the reels spun backwards when the machine booted up. THAT IS A KEY ITEM.
I then installed my MPU and I/O cards. Booted and the same issue backward turning reels and coin in jam.
I have only encountered backward reels from two things. Bad cabinet I/O or bad display. We never touched the 5-5-2 display in the previous 10 pages. Guess what I replaced the display and the only thing I had to do was set the machine type and denomination. Machine is up and running.
Note: GOS has not worked with S2000s and had no idea the reels were turning in the wrong direction not his fault but we should have asked :fryingpan:
Very happy it is working and thank you very much for the mountain of parts you gave me.
Rich
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Isn't it amazing just how much trouble those 5-5-2 displays cause on the S2000 and Vision games.
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Great job, Rich. You are a trooper heading all the way out there. I have thought about this machine more than a few times since the posts stopped. Glad it has been solved.
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THANK YOU - does not say it well enough - two heads always better than one - and this proves it - visual better than printed - 10 pages and 6 months!!! took less than an hour. Maybe when an issue arises - SEND PICTURE - maybe SEND VIDEO??
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This post probably holds the record for being the HOTTEST topic. So happy it is alive. Like you said, We can't see the machine. Pictures and video is the way to go. I would have liked to see your smile when it came to life. Bet it was a Kodak moment. Congrat's.
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been working on machines for 40 years - never ever been stumped - always had tech help - nlg of course was always there - remember I bought this from an estate of guy who died trying to fix this (RIP) - not sure if it killed him - almost killed me. I always check the obvious -power cord - connections - all the usual checks - then the NLG - replacing every component - checking components - the one part who would have thought would be the issue. Guess you can free up some server space now.
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I thought that maybe you had let the Hurricane that went they Florida take this machine.
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machine was to mean for the hurricane
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Big thumbs-up to qbert for the extra effort on this problem. :cool_thumb_up:
[plus we needed to get it to 200 replies, just because] :garfield:
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Oh, great, I'm 201 !!
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I just read the whole thing...I am so glad I was away on hiatus when this happened! :rotfl:
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This was a horrible ordeal. Barry sent me super nasty grams. So glad Rich went to him. But apparently the machine brake again a couple weeks later. Then he parted it out.
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NASTY GRAMS - come on - MODERATOR?
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Please let this post die.
Yeah Barry your a great guy but as I recall you gave me my only negative karma that I ever received during this fiasco. I chalked it up to your frustration at that time.