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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: luckyspin09876 on March 08, 2015, 01:01:35 PM
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This machine had a ticket printer in it and it's programmed not to take quarter's how do I change that. They just drop into the coin tray. It is a S + machine
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you'll need to tell us what kind of machine you have before we help. Does it work now? posting a few pictures is helpful to.
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Sounds like a s 2000
I think you posted to the wrong forum
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Is this the same machine we were talking about in the other thread? :Scratch-Head: Because I agree it sounds like a S2000 if it has a printer.
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I'm sorry, I guess it was something that the casino used. I'm new to all of this. But it is program not to take coins. and it will not take the new bills. It will take the old bills. when you put in a coin it just drop's out into the coin tray. Thanks for your help and patience with me.
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I'm new to all of this.
No problem. People here will be glad to help. But you need to give us as much information as possible. The more details, the easier it will be to offer suggestions. Pictures always help.
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Open your door and take a picture of the inside of the door. Not inside machine but the back side of the door. The coin comparator etc.
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If your machine has speakers on the side of the top box it is a S2000. The light does not come on with the door open. Do you have a sample coin in it? It must be the same as what you are trying to use. When you look at the comparator just below the optics is a little white button. You should be able to push it and add a credit for every time you push it. Then with the door open you can spin the reels. If you close the door the credits will erase. Coin needs to be as pictured
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I'm sorry, I guess it was something that the casino used. I'm new to all of this. But it is program not to take coins. and it will not take the new bills. It will take the old bills. when you put in a coin it just drop's out into the coin tray. Thanks for your help and patience with me.
If you want the machine to be able to take the newer paper money it can be done. The thing you insert the paper money into is called the Bill Validator. It can be replaced with something newer, also often times it can have its software updated to work with the newer paper money. You will need to tell us or show in pictures what type Bill Validator you have. It will have a sticker or markings that say the model name and number, plus other writing that helps to identify its software.
Don't worry about all this being new to you, just provide as much info as you can, either by words or pictures.
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Poor guy didnt know what he was in for when he posted here, did he!?! Haha, some forums, you post, and get no replies for weeks, even months!
Luxkspin, Just post a pic or 2 of your machine and that will tell us all we need to know....and yes, we're pretty mich awesome like that...
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From reading thru his prior posts he has said he has an S2000 and an S+ but didn't post any pictures that I saw. Most of the threads he has started he makes the initial comment then doesn't post again in that thread. But he may be communicating thru PM to others.
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Until then, we wait!
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When it comes to pics ... :Please_Post_Pictures_2clr: they really let the help know where you are going. A pic, clears up the question of what machine it is and what game is installed. When you reply to a message... look at the bottom left area of the text box outside. There it will allow you to add pics if you follow the directions. It is in Green and says
"Attachments and other options' :agreepost:
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Most of the threads he has started he makes the initial comment then doesn't post again in that thread. But he may be communicating thru PM to others.
I can confirm this for at least one thread.
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He sent me a PM and I told him all help would be given here so it would help others also.
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Ok I got it here are some photos. I pushed the white button on the coin acceptor and like you guys said and it puts credits on the machine. Then I push the spin button and the reels spin. So does that mean the coin acceptor is good ?? :Scratch-Head: Someone said that the green light does not come on when the door is open. But my too S200 machine's The green light is always on door open or closed.
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Are you sure the door latch is all the way down? Sounds like your door optics are not lining up. Is the insert coin light coming on or any other lights on the front? Make sure the door is all the way closed and latched.
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The insert coin light is coming on. And the bill acceptor does take bills.
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Have tried to reset the coin or better yet change coins? If not you might try that.
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Yes I changed the coin and pushed the reset button. If you are talking about the little white button on the bottom
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The insert coin light is coming on.
Try turning that sensitivity dial on the coin comparator fully CCW .
If that does not work, next pop the coin comparator out (it's just snapped into place) and look on the back side. You will see a solenoid that when engaged will pull a "rake" in. That is what makes the coin actually pass through the coin optics and not drop to the tray. Find a way to prop the rake toward the solenoid. You can fold up a piece of paper or something to wedge in there and then see what happens.
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I have had the same problem in the past and that worked for me. Sorry it didn't work for you. It is possible you the coin acceptor is bad. On the BV I have been told the current software that accepts all new bills will not work in a S+. I stand to be corrected on that and would like to find I am wrong. If you have a WBA-11 you can get a chip that will take new $20's
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This machine had a ticket printer in it and it's programmed not to take quarter's how do I change that. They just drop into the coin tray. It is a S + machine
Is it setup for $1 coins or for tokens maybe? If so then a quarter will be rejected and pass straight thru, right?
When you say it is not programmed to accept quarters or any coins do you mean it came to you that way, would not work with coins because of the way something was done by previous owners? It would only work with paper money?
Should the green LED on the coin comparator be lit when it is ready to accept a coin?
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Is it setup for $1 coins or for tokens maybe? If so then a quarter will be rejected and pass straight thru, right?
It does not matters what the denomination is set to as long as the sample coin matches what you drop in. For example you can set the denomination to a quarter, but have a dollar sized coin comparator with a dollar sized token and as long as you drop in the correct token, you will get a credit. All the machine cares is that what you drop in matches the sample.
From the sound of it, the rake is not engaging and thus the coin never makes it to the optics. Assuming the sample coin is good, as noted above one can turn the sensitivity down. Sometimes that pot just needs to be turned a bit. Next is to force the coin to go past the optics by holding the rake in. If that works, then we back up to find out why the rake solenoid is not engaging.
Oh, I am assuming the coin head is correct for the sample coin. If it is to big (i.e. a dollar sized one) being used for quarters, the coin may not be passing the comparator correctly.
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It does not matters what the denomination is set to as long as the sample coin matches what you drop in. For example you can set the denomination to a quarter, but have a dollar sized coin comparator with a dollar sized token and as long as you drop in the correct token, you will get a credit. All the machine cares is that what you drop in matches the sample.
Is it possible to not select any coin denomination in the setup? Can the machine be setup so that it only accepts paper money and gives no credits when a coin is inserted? This is what he said in his initial post and in his reply #4, but I don't know if he meant that literally.
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Is it possible to not select any coin denomination in the setup? Can the machine be setup so that it only accepts paper money and gives no credits when a coin is inserted?
He said the BV is working, so it must have a denomination set. And the insert coin is lit, which means it's ready to accept a coin.
The sequence is
1 Coin in lit = ready to accept coin
2 Drop in coin and it gets compared to sample. If it passes the test, the rake solenoid pulls in and the coin passes the optics and drops into the hopper, and assuming the optics are good, a credit gets added. If the coin does not pass the comparator test, or the rake solenoid is bad, the coin will bypass the optics and fall to the tray.
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What about the green LED on the front of the coin comparator? He said it doesn't lite up on this machine but does on his other machine. Should the green LED be lit?
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The LED will not be lit if the door is open.
Something I have done to my home machines is to move the door optics to the reel tray. That way I can open the door and the machine thinks the door is still closed. Makes it easier to troubleshoot certain things. If I need to simulate the door actually being open, I just stick that piece of plastic between the optics. There are other ways to bypass the door optics, I just prefer this way.
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Thank all of you. I got it working. It is a 3 coin game can I set it up like my S200 to take more then 3 coins. So after 3 coins it ads it to my credits ???
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Just out of curiosity what SP chip are you using?
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Is it possible to not select any coin denomination in the setup? Can the machine be setup so that it only accepts paper money and gives no credits when a coin is inserted?
He said the BV is working, so it must have a denomination set. And the insert coin is lit, which means it's ready to accept a coin.
The sequence is
1 Coin in lit = ready to accept coin
2 Drop in coin and it gets compared to sample. If it passes the test, the rake solenoid pulls in and the coin passes the optics and drops into the hopper, and assuming the optics are good, a credit gets added. If the coin does not pass the comparator test, or the rake solenoid is bad, the coin will bypass the optics and fall to the tray.
thanks!
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Thank all of you. I got it working. It is a 3 coin game can I set it up like my S200 to take more then 3 coins. So after 3 coins it ads it to my credits ???
What did you do to fix it?
There are some SP chips that will allow extra coins to go to credit. For example SP1312
Extra Coins In
Option <0> [10] Determines how to handle the extra coins that are received after the maximum bet is reached. Options are pay from the hopper {0} or automatically apply toward the next game {1}.
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I took the coin acceptor out and worked the solenoid by hand. This machine has ben in storage for a long time. So is there a way to make the machine add the credits after you put the 3 coins. because the game is only a coin game. But like my S200 you can put as many coins in as you want and it will add them to your credits, ????
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Thank all of you. I got it working. It is a 3 coin game can I set it up like my S200 to take more then 3 coins. So after 3 coins it ads it to my credits ???
What did you do to fix it?
There are some SP chips that will allow extra coins to go to credit. For example SP1312
Extra Coins In
Option <0> [10] Determines how to handle the extra coins that are received after the maximum bet is reached. Options are pay from the hopper {0} or automatically apply toward the next game {1}.
Thanks TexasMark it looks like it would work for me. I might try to find one.
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Thanks TexasMark it looks like it would work for me. I might try to find one.
If you are talking about the SP chip, keep in mind it needs to be the correct "type" for your game. The SP1312 I used as an example is for Type 3 (Volcano) and Type 6 (Tidal Wave) games. I'm not sure offhand what other ones have that feature.
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is there a way to make the machine add the credits after you put the 3 coins.
Yes, but it requires the use of a not too common SP chip and some programming of settings in the machine for what is known as "Montana Credits". Typical SP chips do not offer that feature. S+ machines typically did not allow you to insert more coins than the maximum bet.
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... for what is known as "Montana Credits". ....
Dang, I was trying remember what it was called. :Scratch-Head: Thanks for the refresher. :cool_thumb_up: I've been away from this for a long time.
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I've been away from this for a long time.
Good to see you back! I've always heard them called Montana Credits (I believe slots in Montana were typically configured with that behavior, which is different from S+ slots in most any other jurisdiction). In the IGT literature, it's the "Semi Euro Credit" option that allows what we call Montana Credits.
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I am getting old I read the wrong line :nerd: are I need new glasses. I was looking at SP1311
SP1311 Type 0,1,4,5,14 (Tournament) 10MH
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That coin looks small in there. Is it a quarter? On the front of the comparator is a small screw with + and -, turn that screw to the far - to reduce sensitivity. I'm not 100% sure here but I think the optic path has different inserts for different size coins. Another thing you can try is to remove the comparator then you will see the coin rake with a solenoid you can wire it open so all coins go to the optics.
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That coin looks small in there. Is it a quarter? On the front of the comparator is a small screw with + and -, turn that screw to the far - to reduce sensitivity. I'm not 100% sure here but I think the optic path has different inserts for different size coins. Another thing you can try is to remove the comparator then you will see the coin rake with a solenoid you can wire it open so all coins go to the optics.
FYI, he fixed it about 10 posts ago.
And I wish I would have thought of those things. :rotfl:
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WOW must have been a glitch. When I posted all I saw was his picture. That was a lot of posts between. Glad he got the rake problem solved.
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for future reference: if the pseudo coin button works (puts the max allowable credits on the machine) and the machine works as advertised, then 99% of the time its something wrong with the CC-16. there are a few things that would cause the CC-16 not to work. A bad connector( usually a broken of frayed wire, black or yellow ones , those are the power) if the unit is getting power it will do what it is supposed to do, one thing and only one thing, compare a metal object to the sample in the unit. It does this by establishing a electronic signature for the sample coin, when you insert another metal object into the comparator it compares the two signatures, if they match then a signal is sent to the solenoid to pull in the rake and allow the coin to pass. If they don't match then it is rejected and sent to the coin tray. Because of counterfeiting, some casino's used their own tokens, their tokens were made to their specifications, and when they put that token in the CC-16 they could adjust that sensitivity setting to where it would accept only their token and reject all others. That was the purpose of that setting, for home use, we recommend that the setting is max. CCW, this allows little or no differentiating, so 99% of the coins inserted will compare to the sample and be accepted.
Most S+ machines that people have today have a bill acceptor, which means they have a belly door. If people are curious and they want to see what is happening when the door is closed and they don't want to fool with the door optics, there is a way you can observe the CC-16 assembly in action. remove the cc-16 from its four plastic holders, remove the two screws that attach the bracket to the coin head assembly, unplug the assembly, remove the assembly from the machine, open the belly door, put the cc-16 back into the bracket, plug the assembly into the harness, close the door, turn on the power to the machine, now, holding the assembly in one hand, you can see the LED come on, and you can insert coins into the cc-16 and watch them pass through the cc-16 into the optics and into the palm of your hand. Of course, there are implied logical common sense to complete this action, I can not list every step to accomplish this, but if you are faced with a coin in problem this is one way to get a hands on feel for the problem. E.g. the ten pin connector that plugs into the optic board, an intermittent wire connection on that plug could cause a code 21, so with the assembly out, you could wiggle that connector and see if you can duplicate the problem, etc. etc,
Hope this helps
Jim