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Belly Glass
« on: November 08, 2014, 08:56:29 PM »
Any one have a lead on where to find or have an extra they are willing to part with?  I am looking for something similar to these 2 I have attached pics of.  Mine are severely flaked and the rest of my glass is in average condition.  Thanks for your help!
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Re: Belly Glass
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2014, 10:53:42 PM »
Tom:


I know that you want what you want however those glasses might be really hard to find.  I sent your pictures to a friend of mine with a stash of glasses.  If he has anything I will let you know.  Respectfully the games could take a different and nicer belly glass of your choice. 


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Re: Belly Glass
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2014, 11:12:28 PM »
If you do find the glass, you can expect to pay around $70 in good condition, suitable for mounting on your Bally EM. These belly glass are not inexpensive and are hard to find. 

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Re: Belly Glass
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2014, 11:13:04 PM »
Thanks Ra.  It doesn't have to be the exact same glass just of similar style.  I think these type have so much more character then the standard ones that just have "bally" or "5 cents"  I figured the only way I an gonna have much luck is to get lucky finding someone with a stash....  Got my fingers crossed!


rdaniel I understand that this will not be a standard glass price.

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Re: Belly Glass
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2014, 11:19:25 PM »
I do hope you find your glass! However, that being said, if I had that glass, or was WANTING that glass, I would be prepared for $200+. Some of these Bally glasses were a very, VERY small run, like 2-3 glasses. This isn't something you're gonna find just anywhere...sorry to be a Debbie Downer, just stating the facts.


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Re: Belly Glass
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2014, 11:25:06 PM »
I think I deciphered your post CV.  With that said has anyone tried touching these up?

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Re: Belly Glass
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2014, 01:20:42 AM »
I think I deciphered your post CV.  With that said has anyone tried touching these up?

I think your best bet is to look into a company that could do a reproduction. I would start with a company that does pinball back glass. You could try Franks Casino Glass is Las Vegas.. That phone number is 702-207-2440.. Email is CASINOGLASS@AOL.COM.  If he has it expect to pay top dollar for vintage glass.

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Re: Belly Glass
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2014, 06:17:18 AM »
Tom


As promised I have put out feelers for you. I think that Roz is right about the price IF you should find the exact match.   Gary just reminded me in his post that there was a guy on THIS forum who made custom glass.  I don't remember his handle and I haven't seen any posts by him since everything got switched over from .net to .com.  We lost a lot of good folks then.


If my old brain can recalls correctly his works looked pretty good and most came in at about $125.  I think a digital photo would get him started.  If you have time give a look at the archives.  I am sure that you will find him there somewhere. 


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Re: Belly Glass
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2014, 09:52:16 AM »
I appreciate all the help.  I will call and research around with what you all have given me.  Cross my fingers!

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Re: Belly Glass
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2014, 10:20:33 AM »

It is possible to do it yourself, but I can see why someone would charge $125. For a full repro, I don't know if that's enough actually (based on my own experience doing it). Do you have any additional pics of the belly glass you're wanting?

We are finishing up a reproduction belly glass for an old Spa Amusements slot machine my husband Darrell just couldn't live without. Well, the machine arrived from AZ with broken glass. We took a picture of the broken glass, photoshopped it to remove any signs of the cracks (took hours, but may have been due to a poor program choice), then had it printed on clear water-decal adhesive laser paper. We will now apply that to an 1/8" piece of glass, over which another piece of 1/8" glass will go.

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Re: Belly Glass
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2014, 11:12:36 AM »
Ra, I think you mean Angry ninja and all his stuff was on plexiglass

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Re: Belly Glass
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2014, 03:05:17 PM »
If you have one already, you can always just make another one:

1. Scan existing glass.
2. Clean up artwork in Photoshop.
3. Print out artwork on glossy photo paper at full size.
4. Sandwich it in between two 1/8" thick sheets of glass cut to the size of the artwork.
5. Seal edges with silicone.  Let dry.
6. Turn over so back side faces up.
7. Mask off any parts of the backside of the glass that need to pass light.  (for this, print a second copy of the artwork in low quality, cut out the parts that need to pass light and attach them to the back of the glass in their proper position with stencil adhesive.)
8. Spray the remainder of the back with dark gray spray paint primer.  Let paint dry.
9. Remove the masking.
10. Install.  When done correctly, the result will look like an original glass.

I've done a half a dozen glasses this way for pinball machines; this would be a whole lot easier, as the art is less complex, you don't have "hidden" things in the glass that need to shine through (ball in play, game over, tilt, etc.) and you don't have to cut holes in the artwork for score reels.

If you're any good with Photoshop (or know someone who is) this is a job that will take an afternoon and probably cost $25 or so.

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Re: Belly Glass
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2014, 05:37:09 PM »
How can I scan a 20" X 8" piece of glass?
Most wide format scanners are 17X11.
I'm trying to replace a piece of glass also.
Thanks!
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Re: Belly Glass
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2014, 06:34:10 PM »
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[How can I scan a 20" X 8" piece of glass?

You scan it in several parts and you assemble it into one piece in Photoshop. 

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Re: Belly Glass
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2014, 08:35:04 PM »
It is a good idea to always scan your glass, even if it takes 3 or 4 different scans, you can stitch them together passably with drawing programs.  You can also SHARE them with friends if you know what I mean.
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Re: Belly Glass
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2014, 09:26:06 PM »
Apparently, we suck at photoshopping, as it took way longer than an afternoon...but I guess it depends on the amount of "clean-up" needed. We had it blown up to like 600-800% to recreate symbols that were just totally destroyed.
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Re: Belly Glass
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2014, 09:29:33 PM »
I wish I had some experience with photo shop.  That seems to be the key that I am missing in doing this myself.

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Re: Belly Glass
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2014, 09:38:30 PM »
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Apparently, we suck at photoshopping, as it took way longer than an afternoon...but I guess it depends on the amount of "clean-up" needed.

Depends on the amount of work, of course.  I've spent 15-25 hours doing the Photoshop work on a single pinball backglass.  That Golden Gate glass, on the other hand, looks like about an hour's worth of work.  There's not a lot of detail and the only colors are white, black and teal.

The other one looks a bit more complicated, but not too difficult.

I'd be willing to take a shot at doing the Photoshop work on the Golden Gate glass if you'll make scans available, as it would be useful to have this thread archived as an FYI for those who need to make their own glass sometime.   Just scan it in sections and save them as either a jpg or a tiff, preferably at 300dpi, but 150 dpi will probably do.  TIFF files zip up really nicely, so that would reduce file size.   I'll also need the exact dimensions of the glass and a photograph of the backside in order to see where light needs to pass through.

All provided that you're not in too much of a hurry, of course.

I'll walk you through the whole process of making a belly glass.  It's not that hard, as long as you've got access to a decent print shop, such as Kinko's or equivalent.

Let me know.

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Re: Belly Glass
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2014, 10:18:02 PM »
I would be more than willing and greatful.  How are you guys scanning them?

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Re: Belly Glass
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2014, 07:41:07 AM »
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I would be more than willing and greatful.  How are you guys scanning them?

If your glass measures 8"x20", you should be able to scan it in two passes on an 8 1/2" x 11" flatbed scanner.  Just lay it down with one edge of the glass at one end of the scanner and let the other end hang off.  Close the lid if it has one, and scan it at 300 dpi if you can (as there isn't much detail in the image, 150 dpi will do, but use 300 dpi if you can.)  Just save the images as jpg files.   If you have a way to either scan the files or save them as TIFF files, they reduce about 90% when put in a zip file, which makes them easier to pass back and forth.

Then I need either scans of the back side of the glass or just a photograph of the back side to see which parts of the glass pass light.   Does the whole hot dog pass light?  Just part of it?  The bridge?  The lettering?  I need to know that.

I'll attach a few images to give you an idea as to how this works.  The first one is a scan I did of the upper glass on my Bally 873.  I'm converting it from nickels to quarters and I needed to change the payouts  from $10/$150 to $50/$750.   I did the scan in two parts, and then pieced it together.  The last one shows the finished product, assembled and showing the new payouts.

The second set of images is for a pinball machine that was stored in a barn for years.  The paint was peeling badly, so the owner covered the entire back of the glass in tape.  It was a mess.  That one had to be scanned in nine parts and reassembled in Photoshop.   What follows is a photo of the back of the glass, the raw "assembled" image of the front, and the finished artwork.

The third set is another pinball glass.   You'll quickly appreciate how much less work is going to be involved in doing a belly glass versus a pinball glass.

The last set shows the front and the back of a pinball glass. The large rectangle in the center is clear glass; there's a mechanism in the head of the machine that's visible to the player.  On the back, I masked off the players, the name of the game, balls in play, and a few other things that need to pass light.  Then I sprayed the remainder of the glass with gray primer and after it dried, I removed the masking.  When installed, the name of the game and the players will light up, just as they did on the original glass.

This process isn't as complex or as difficult as it appears.  Once you see how it works, you'll have an "Aha!" moment.  Like I said, I'll walk you through it, step by step, but first I need scans.

After that, you'll need two pieces of glass, cut to the correct size, a tube of silicone adhesive, a can of spray stencil adhesive, an X-Acto knife or razor blade, and a can of Krylon gray primer....and printed artwork, of course.

Charlie
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