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**Video Poker, Keno, Slots, 21** Gaming machines => IGT Fortune 1 Sircoma/Poker => Topic started by: mwade109 on September 30, 2021, 10:51:30 AM
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Hello all, I figures while I am trying to figure our my Bally E2270 I would take a shot at this what I believe to be a Fortune 1 machine although all the Fortune 1 machine pics I have seen online do not have that same terminal block behind the monitor.
The monitor on this one does not work at all, I have no problem sending it out for repair but am kinda holding off as I do not know if this machine would work with just a good monitor. Is there any way to try this blind and deaf (there is no speaker that I can find) just enough that I can at least THINK the machine is capable of running?
There is no battery in the rear left of the mainboard.
Can someone give me a voltage and/or part number for the removable battery?
When I turn it on with the hopper in place, after a few seconds (I assume it's boot sequence) it starts paying out coins, I refilled the hopper 4 times @ 100 coins each time and there seem to be no stopping it, but I assume with no battery installed, it would not have any pending payout in memory.
I am interested in hearing from people that have experience with these games... if it is indeed a Fortune One machine
Thanks
-mike
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Hello,
I am no expert but I have a F1 Blackjack and I wonder if yours is a newer model or maybe a Fortune 2.
There are a few people on NLG who know the difference. Possibly an IGT Fortune? What is the date on the tag?
Also, I was told you don’t need a backup battery because they do not retain credits, mine has never had a battery in the holder.
K-Lar in Las Vegas can work on these boards, personally I think it is worth pursuing, they also fix a known issue with the video colors. The video board itself can possibly be fixed but if it needs a Flyback you might need to send that board in to see if they can troubleshoot. Do you have any knowledge of electronic components?
Good luck and please update if you make any prologues.
Chris
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Thanks but all the Fortune 2 machines I saw online look a lot different. I saw another thread here that someone had the same game and they were calling it a Fortune 1. There is no tags or number plates attached to the machine so I can't go that route. As far as the monitor, the guy I got it from said it was completely missing a few transistors and that he put new ones on and it still didn't come on so I will be sending the chassis to someone that knows. And yes, I do have knowledge of electronic components although I cant read a schematic. I can test things with my multimeter, I can install a cap kit, been working on slots for many many years, mostly IGT. I had 3 computer stores for 22 years so needless to say, I am not afraid of electronics.... well, except maybe discharging a crt tube, that scares me every time.
Still hoping someone can chime in as to why it might be paying out all those coins.
Also, if it do does not need a battery to retain credits, what does the battery do? If it retains game settings, you say you don't have a battery in yours, does it auto-setup each time you turn it on?
-mike
Hello,
I am no expert but I have a F1 Blackjack and I wonder if yours is a newer model or maybe a Fortune 2.
There are a few people on NLG who know the difference. Possibly an IGT Fortune? What is the date on the tag?
Also, I was told you don’t need a backup battery because they do not retain credits, mine has never had a battery in the holder.
K-Lar in Las Vegas can work on these boards, personally I think it is worth pursuing, they also fix a known issue with the video colors. The video board itself can possibly be fixed but if it needs a Flyback you might need to send that board in to see if they can troubleshoot. Do you have any knowledge of electronic components?
Good luck and please update if you make any prologues.
Chris
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The game boots just fine without a battery, all the battery does is retain current game play if there is a power failure. Since mine pays out at every hand there is no need for a battery. This isn’t like a new game that has setup programming that gets lost without backup.
I looked at my machine again and I see it is virtually identical to yours internally except yours has the board on the back of the case. Does your machine have a speaker? Perhaps that is a sound card?
I don’t know anything about the hopper circuit but it is driven by the driver board on the left of the case, some of my bulb issues were resolved by gently removing the connectors and resetting them. Something is switching it on.
There are some known issues with the game board, some caps go bad and traces break. You might want to contact K-Lar to see if they can advise and potentially test the boards. IF you ship the board be sure to remove it from the metal frame and wrap that big transformer tight, If it breaks off it is very difficult to repair. Also be very careful with the ribbon cables the pins are almost microscopic, rock gently. Once they come out the first time they are much easier to work with.
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There are two switches on the right wall above the computer board, one switch is for meter readings, the other is for game reset.
Try pressing them to see if the hopper runaway will stop.
The I/O board on the bottom left wall has a couple of Triacs that turn on the hopper via a signal from the main computer board.
If you remove the computer board and turn on the game and the hopper still runs then you have a bad I/O board.
That newer board on the back wall looks like an earlier attempt at a progressive link or a player tracking system.
It is not needed for home use, ignore it.
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Thanks but I am not finding the two switches you are talking about, could it be they were removed when they put that metal plate on there? The only thing I see on the right wall is the fan and the keyswitch.
There are two switches on the right wall above the computer board, one switch is for meter readings, the other is for game reset.
Try pressing them to see if the hopper runaway will stop.
The I/O board on the bottom left wall has a couple of Triacs that turn on the hopper via a signal from the main computer board.
If you remove the computer board and turn on the game and the hopper still runs then you have a bad I/O board.
That newer board on the back wall looks like an earlier attempt at a progressive link or a player tracking system.
It is not needed for home use, ignore it.
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The switch is behind the metal plate, the switch has a long metal arm that you can press with a finger.
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Gotcha, yes, I clicked the microswitch and it does not turn on the hopper anymore. I sure wish there was a speaker in this thing so I could hear whats going on. Without a monitor, I have to think it is in a insert coin mode, I insert a few, they go to the hopper like they should but I don't get a 'Deal' light or anything. I assume at this point I just need to wait for the monitor chassis to come back, oh, did I mention In have no patience!
My other project, My Bally E2270 is out in the shed waiting on oil to loosen things up, things are going well there. (there's that patience thing again)
I picked up a Sigma 150 Yesterday to see what I can do with that, and no, it is not working.
The switch is behind the metal plate, the switch has a long metal arm that you can press with a finger.
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A lot of earlier F1 games did not have button lamp drivers connected and the buttons had no lamps.
Sound is generated my a separate board mounted on the bottom of the monitor shelf.
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Sorry to chime in late in the game. Badbaud knows best of all about these machines. I have one in my basement in working condition. My monitor in my game is a small Sony TV. Notice that the galls reads Fortune Coin. That came BEFORE SIRCOMA and IGT. My 21 still has the original sticker and the date reads 1979 if i remember correctly. I don't know where you would find the Sony TV for the game but I do know where you can get brand new in the box monitors used in later IGT Fortune 1 machines.
My 21 games gets a runaway hopper from time to time. I send it to Vegas to Bad baud and it comes back good as new. Lasts for about 3 years and the pop goes the weasel again.
Best of luck
Ra
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This one has a RGB Monitor, I am on hold until the chassis comes back, hopefully working like new.
Badbaud: My machine has lights in the buttons, I know this because when the hopper was running uncontrollably, all my button lights were flashing, independently, randomly like a Christmas Tree!
Sorry to chime in late in the game. Badbaud knows best of all about these machines. I have one in my basement in working condition. My monitor in my game is a small Sony TV. Notice that the galls reads Fortune Coin. That came BEFORE SIRCOMA and IGT. My 21 still has the original sticker and the date reads 1979 if i remember correctly. I don't know where you would find the Sony TV for the game but I do know where you can get brand new in the box monitors used in later IGT Fortune 1 machines.
My 21 games gets a runaway hopper from time to time. I send it to Vegas to Bad baud and it comes back good as new. Lasts for about 3 years and the pop goes the weasel again.
Best of luck
Ra
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With all of that drama and flashing going on I would recommend sending your boards, both of them , to Badbaud. That is IF you find a monitor. His diagnostic system can really get the kinks out of these old games. My advice is free and worth every penny.
Ra
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Well, after quite some time, this machine works great. Aside from the monitor, I ended up changing the mainboard. I soon learned there were two jumper blocks that needed to be transferred to the new board and that changed it from default $1.00 machine t a .25 like it should be. After enjoying playing it for a while I noticed that the machine says it plays 1-8 coins but it only recognizes up to 5 coins. Anyone have any idea what to change to correct this?
-mike
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Glad to hear that you are up and running. Change the glass to 1 to 5 coins. They are definitely out there. I believe Gordy Nichol has at least one in his inventory.
Ra
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Thanks, I will keep changing the glass in mind but I really want to learn how to change the value instead of just changing the glass to reflect the current setting. I DID check Gordy's eBay listings and didn't see one but that doesn't mean he don't have one!
-mike
Glad to hear that you are up and running. Change the glass to 1 to 5 coins. They are definitely out there. I believe Gordy Nichol has at least one in his inventory.
Ra
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Thanks, I will keep changing the glass in mind but I really want to learn how to change the value instead of just changing the glass to reflect the current setting. I DID check Gordy's eBay listings and didn't see one but that doesn't mean he don't have one!
-mike
Is the payout changing from a win situation at 8 coins verses 5 coins? Is it rejecting the 9th coin?
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One of the only people who would know how to change that is Badbaud at K-Lar. If I had to guess it is hard coded in the game code. If I recall we determined this is an IGT F1, did you look to see if there is any setup information in the File section? I wonder if the game eeprom can be swapped. Hmmm.
Chris
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It will accept coins all day long, even after 8 are put in. It will stop registering them after it gets 5 but they still go into the hopper. No matter how many above 5 you put in, it only pays based on 5 coins put in.
Thanks, I will keep changing the glass in mind but I really want to learn how to change the value instead of just changing the glass to reflect the current setting. I DID check Gordy's eBay listings and didn't see one but that doesn't mean he don't have one!
-mike
Is the payout changing from a win situation at 8 coins verses 5 coins? Is it rejecting the 9th coin?
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Let me give you all the info, I never saw it play before I sent the mainboard to klar, I got the board back but it got damaged in shipping so I swapped the chips to another Fortune 1 board that klar just redone for me. That board used to be in a IGT 611 Fortune 1, 4 Reel Video Slot. Same board. So, this is where it's at after the chip swap. The amount of coin in would not be hard coded into the main board so I assume there is a changeable dip/jumper board I did not see to swap out or this machine did not have the original game eprom in it to start with. I'm going to shoot Alan at klar a email and see what he thinks, I figured I would post it here instead of bothering him as I'm sure he gets so many questions he don't need yet another.
One of the only people who would know how to change that is Badbaud at K-Lar. If I had to guess it is hard coded in the game code. If I recall we determined this is an IGT F1, did you look to see if there is any setup information in the File section? I wonder if the game eeprom can be swapped. Hmmm.
Chris
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This is a coin lockout issue. The machine should reject coins after the maximum amount, which is likely set at 5 already. So that's not the issue. It's not "counting" coins as they go in. After the 5th coin, the solenoid should divert the next coin from going in to the hopper and sent it out to the cash tray. Remove the coin mech and inspect the back. Post a photo of what you see behind the mechanism.
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While that is a very good theory, and I have seen many machines that do that, I do not see any path the coin can go to get back to the coin tray unless it comes into the coin mech and the coin mech decides it is not a actual quarter and sends it out the other side of the coin mech where all bad coins should go. The only solenoid I see is to reroute the coin from the hopper to the overflow. There is no electronics in the coin mech (it is mechanical) to tell it to divert coins.
Judging by the design, it seems that it is doing what it is made to do concerning accepting the coins after the limit of 5. I was hoping there was a jumper or dip to change it from registering 5 coins to registering 8 coins... kinda like the ones to change the demoniation.
I just checked my Fortune 1 IGT 611 Silver Jubilee, that is 3 coin video slot and yes, when you put a 4th in it diverts it to the coin tray. BUT, that has a coin comparitor in it (of which klar told me a while ago that it shouldn't, it should have a mechanical coin mech in it).
This is a coin lockout issue. The machine should reject coins after the maximum amount, which is likely set at 5 already. So that's not the issue. It's not "counting" coins as they go in. After the 5th coin, the solenoid should divert the next coin from going in to the hopper and sent it out to the cash tray. Remove the coin mech and inspect the back. Post a photo of what you see behind the mechanism.
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My F1 blackjack does not stop accepting coins. It might be a lockout issue but I think it is relatively common on these. Mine stops counting credits at 8 but will continue to take quarters. I never really thought about it, I just figured it was a fundamental flaw in older machines. User Ra has an F1 that is in very good condition, I wonder how his behaves.
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Great condition is a relative term when we are talking about older electronics it is before 6 AM here. When everyone starts to stir I will power up the game and report back to you all.
Ra
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Ok. Says 1 to 5 coins on the glass. A
Game will register up to 5 coins ⁶but it will keep accepting coins after the 5 coin maximum. House vigorish for the distracted I guess. :24:
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Ok. Says 1 to 5 coins on the glass. A
Game will register up to 5 coins ⁶but it will keep accepting coins after the 5 coin maximum. House vigorish for the distracted I guess. :24:
is there a diverter at the bottom of the acceptor, behind it? pull out the coin mech and see. what are the wires to the left of the coin mech?
here are a couple pictures from the manual. one shows two diverter outputs, the other is from the troubleshooting section. does it accept coins with the machine off? if so, then the plate could be magnetized.
fingers crossed...
Wayne
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No diverters or anything behind the coin mech, and judging by there is no alternate path for the coin to be diverted to the coin tray I think that was not a option. The two wires next to the coin mech go the lamp starter and one to the lamp transformer. This is a older, no sound whatsoever model so I am think this endless coin input design may have been just the way it was. Chris, who have input, has the same machine and it acts the same way. My concern really wasn't the coins diverting to the coin tray, the conversation kinda just got pointed that way. My actual concern is why it only accepts 5 coins when the glass is 8 coins. What is telling it only 5 coins? Is this programmed into the game chips? I either need to find out and remedy that 5 coin problem or locate different glass for it.
Ok. Says 1 to 5 coins on the glass. A
Game will register up to 5 coins ⁶but it will keep accepting coins after the 5 coin maximum. House vigorish for the distracted I guess. :24:
is there a diverter at the bottom of the acceptor, behind it? pull out the coin mech and see. what are the wires to the left of the coin mech?
here are a couple pictures from the manual. one shows two diverter outputs, the other is from the troubleshooting section. does it accept coins with the machine off? if so, then the plate could be magnetized.
fingers crossed...
Wayne
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ok , this is really just for information, since it isn't an issue for you of course. but they didn't make the machines to steal coins after max was reached. these were built for casinos.
the lockout coil would push the coin mech similar to the reject button, the coin would follow the reject path, this is from memory and a jog of my memory from looking in the manual. here is the door diagram and menu to go with it. it shows a coil behind the acceptor, number 14, which I believe to be the lockout coil. the machine would only accept coins while this coil is energized, when the machine was off, reached maximum credits, game in session, or error condition, the lockout coil would de-energize sending the coins back to the tray.
I tried to find any settings to change to 8 coins, but couldn't see any. I believe it is game software dependent. the attached game instructions show 1-5 coins
Have a great night,
Wayne
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As a69mopar said, these were made for casinos, not for stealing money after maximum reached. I have a LOT of older poker machines including a Bally Video TwentyOne which rejects the 11th coin (It's set for ten coins max). Even in credit mode, it "rejects" by making a goofy noise and not accepting that 11th credit. I've never seen any casino machine that just keeps taking money and not crediting it, or sending the excess back to the coin tray.
I just went through a major move and my machines are still just thrown in a room. If I can get to it my Bally soon, I'll post what you should see behind your coin mech. :yes:
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Great info you have there! The reason I did not find a diverter behind the coin mech is it looks like maybe it was removed. Judging by the picture of my coin mech holder, it looks like something was removed from where the part #14 (solenoid) would have been. This is the first time I saw one that physically opened the coin reject on a mechanical mech. Interesting to say the least!
Thank you, that is some great information... you wouldn't happen to have a play 1-5 coins glass laying around would you?
ok , this is really just for information, since it isn't an issue for you of course. but they didn't make the machines to steal coins after max was reached. these were built for casinos.
the lockout coil would push the coin mech similar to the reject button, the coin would follow the reject path, this is from memory and a jog of my memory from looking in the manual. here is the door diagram and menu to go with it. it shows a coil behind the acceptor, number 14, which I believe to be the lockout coil. the machine would only accept coins while this coil is energized, when the machine was off, reached maximum credits, game in session, or error condition, the lockout coil would de-energize sending the coins back to the tray.
I tried to find any settings to change to 8 coins, but couldn't see any. I believe it is game software dependent. the attached game instructions show 1-5 coins
Have a great night,
Wayne
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As a69mopar said, these were made for casinos, not for stealing money after maximum reached. I have a LOT of older poker machines including a Bally Video TwentyOne which rejects the 11th coin (It's set for ten coins max). Even in credit mode, it "rejects" by making a goofy noise and not accepting that 11th credit. I've never seen any casino machine that just keeps taking money and not crediting it, or sending the excess back to the coin tray.
I just went through a major move and my machines are still just thrown in a room. If I can get to it my Bally soon, I'll post what you should see behind your coin mech. :yes:
Well.... some casinos were cheating. They would put a screw on the coin mech area where an additional coin, if dropped in, would fall into the hopper and they would put a pass over piece on the reel mech so a 7 would not lock in. Been there seen it.
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As a69mopar said, these were made for casinos, not for stealing money after maximum reached. I have a LOT of older poker machines including a Bally Video TwentyOne which rejects the 11th coin (It's set for ten coins max). Even in credit mode, it "rejects" by making a goofy noise and not accepting that 11th credit. I've never seen any casino machine that just keeps taking money and not crediting it, or sending the excess back to the coin tray.
I just went through a major move and my machines are still just thrown in a room. If I can get to it my Bally soon, I'll post what you should see behind your coin mech. :yes:
Well.... some casinos were cheating. They would put a screw on the coin mech area where an additional coin, if dropped in, would fall into the hopper and they would put a pass over piece on the reel mech so a 7 would not lock in. Been there seen it.
true, they were used in mechanical slots that were in "unofficial" casinos. My brother restored a few Mills machines with them, i think he called them bugs and it would block the reel stop and make it jump to an adjacent reel stop.
W
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if you post a want to buy ad in the classifieds, you may find someone that has the glass. pictures always help of course.
Thanks,
Wayne