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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S2000 and Vision Games => Topic started by: ianmcneil68 on September 02, 2016, 03:46:52 PM
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I recently replaced the MPU on my s2000 vision. I ran a clear (IVC 97), then key (key 31). I had the bottom half of the machine working (the vision screen only says "initializing, please wait"). I put $100 bill in and was playing. at some point I hit cash out to test the ticket dispenser. Well, for some reason the machine got stuck. It still showed the credits but no buttons would light up or cause anything to happen. So, today I ran another clear and only got the top amber light. When I get to the part where it should say "game type mismatch" it never goes that far. Anyone know why only 1 amber light on the top? I got 2 the first time. Also, any info on why the vision never boots up would be appreciated. I am attaching a pic of my chips. Thanks in advance.
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Try a clear again and if you only get one amber light press the test button on the mpu board and you should get a second. Just went thru this last evening.
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Didn't work. I'm getting a bad eeprom error (bad eeprom -0x4). From another thread I found that this eeprom is located at U2 on the backplane board. In there case it may have been installed backwards. In my case that isn't possible since I never removed it and it was working last night. Maybe it's a "stuff has to break sometime" situation???
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Please mark as solved. The problem was a bad connection from MPU to motherboard. I pushed in on the MPU while booting and viola! :thank_you:
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Poorly seated mpu would cause all sorts of issues for sure. Glad to hear you got it working.
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Only problem is, the vision screen still only says "initializing, please wait..."
Any clues?
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Are your legs all good on your chips? I'm assuming it all worked before so should not be chip mismatch. When you get it going I would love to see a short video of the bonus round. Never seen the Hot Pepper Vision.
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Did the vision portion work before or always said that? There are a few other old threads with this issue, with various reasons from incorrect mix of proms for vision game, to loose or missing cable that are needed. I'd take a look at those.
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I see what you have now. Using SS chip from S+. You will only get Good Luck and sayings like that with that chip combo, no bonus play. I think you might have the SS chip in wrong. I think the notch goes to the top with board notch. It has to be offset and I believe without game 1 and 2 chips. SS and SB don't go together I think. SS and SG yes.
check this thread. http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=5380.40 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=5380.40)
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The vision has not worked since I go the machine. Well, nothing worked. I bought a used MPU because of varta damage. I started another thread concerning only the vision issue. The reels are working great right now.
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I think if the bottom of the machine comes on and there are no errors, and you can actually play that you have the wrong software.
Does the bottom VFD display say msverify app, try to start? Also I didn't think that vision machines with top displays used sb001000 and ss eprom.
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No msverify app. You may be right about the sb001000. Honestly, this is my first S2000 as well as my first vision. I have no clue what chips should be there. I can't even find any info or anyone who's ever seen a hot peppers vision. Which makes finding the correct reel chip seem impossible (I'm assuming that is where the vision part is stored but not sure). All of the current chips are what came in the machine and it didn't work at all. I picked this up cheap so I don't mind spending a few bucks. I just have no clue where to start. I guess replacing that SS chip with the proper one would be the hard part. Like I said, I can't find any info on a hot peppers vision machine.
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The 1000 chip lets the SS chip work. On some machines the top monitor will show the reels spin the same as the reels themselves. Show messages saying "Good Luck" "Try Again" etc.
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I can live with no bonus game. I just want the LCD screen to work as it should. I have worn myself ragged trying to learn about these chips. S+ machines are so much easier. I'm assuming that when the LCD reads "initializing, please wait" it is waiting for a signal from somewhere else like the MPU or one of the chips on the MPU. If someone has changed the original chips for some reason then I have no idea what they were or should be changed back to.
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Am I understanding this correctly? With the proper SB & SG combo for my game, the SS slot would be left empty?
Also, I think I have found a good combo:
SB100055
SG380
What do you think?
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SB100055 is for a 3C game. Yours is 2c SB100056 in a standard S2000. Not sure if it is correct for the Vision. SG380s may not be compatible with your ATA/BGM flash card. Post a pic of the card indicating the numbers & I can look up the PSR. PSR for SG000093 is below along with a pic. SG000380 requires ATA1065 or replacements. The flash card should be inserted behind the monitor.
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I would bet whoever had the game before you couldn't find the right software to use it as a vision game and put the S+ software in it to get it to do something not caring about the vision part. You'll have to get the right software to ever get the vision screen to display a picture of any kind as it will not advance from where it's at without it. Give it time and maybe someone, like 777Sizzler will chime in with the answer you need. He's got some pretty good contacts in the slot business as do some of the vendors here on the site.
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Here are the pics, front and back. I agree with Cowboy about the previous owner. I'm too OCD to leave it that way though. So, does the SS slot remain empty once I find the correct SB/SG chips?
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I don't know why my font is so tiny in that last post. I agree with cowboy on the previous owner. Nice catch on that SB chip RB. Once I find the correct chips, does the SS socket remain empty?
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Ok, here's what I am finding. Your game does not appear to be a bonus game. The PSRs are below for ATA10045 & BGM00000. The other BGM files will not apply to your game. BGM00000 PSR states:
BONUS GAME FEATURES
Bonus Game Type Generic, bonus type 0.
Bonus Display Type Interval.
Triggering Event None.
Teaser Screens None.
Operator Options Progressive display enable/disable.
BONUS GAME DESCRIPTION
With this program, the machine can run without a bonus game when used with SB000001 or SB001000, or display the current progressive meter amount on the LCD. To display the progressive meter amount, select the video display option. When the progressive display is disabled, the LCD displays a background screen or slot game functions such as cash outs and interval wins.
If you use a standard S2000 base chip (100056), the SS chip would not be needed, however I don't know if it will work in conjunction with the Vision monitor. Maybe someone more experienced with Visions can verify this. Another option is to remove the monitor & use standard S2000 chips SB100056 & SG000363s along with a non vision Hot Peppers top glass.
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Thanks RB for the info. I guess that explains why I can find no info on a Hot Peppers Vision machine. Still, though, I would like it to do what it did when it was in the casino. Or, if I could find someone with a vision reel/glass set I could convert it. I'd like to keep this machine and make it fun to play. Maybe Double Diamond Run. Do you know someone? I haven't seen much out there in a set for vision machines. Thanks again. I would still consider getting the chips that were originally in this machine if available.
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If it was mine, I would go to www.spin.com (http://www.spin.com) and get Pink Panther reel strips, and glass set for it. Getting the SG380's is easy as with the SB000339 and vs11GX0 as well as the data card with BGM00108, ATA10065. Pretty sure I have an extra data card. And yes Hot Peppers was never a vision game. What top glass is in it now? Show picture please. I love vision machines and have 10.
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If I am understanding correctly, you can set it up to display a Progressive Jackpot on the monitor. I don't know the procedure but should be somewhere in the key chip menu. However if your MPU & monitor are not communicating there may be other issues. It seems the software you have may be native to the machine. There are probably some newer SG chips that will work & a newer Version chip but neither are necessarily needed. I'm pretty sharp on standard S2Ks but as stated earlier very little experience with Visions. Vision kits are available from time to time. Preferably something that could use SG380s & a multi denom Version if desired. SG380s require ATA100065 or newer & the proper BGM for the game. Some visions even use a CD rom or possibly a hard drive so do your research before you jump into a game kit to be sure you get everything needed. I like Elvis's idea. Pink Panther would be very cool.
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I'd love to do pink panther. Only problem is that I didn't see the reel glass on spin inc. I found one on rudy's but there is no spot for "winner paid - credits - coins played". Mine is in the lower right corner as seen in pics. Also, my vision screen is in the lower right corner of my top glass. Pink Panther is in the middle. The latter is easily remedied is suppose but what of the reel glass? Now you guys have me excited. :odie:
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Moving the monitor is simple. Usually extra holes in mount to move it to center. The reel strips, top and belly glass are the key parts. There are lots of 5 coin reel glass available. I would take fun play over exact match any day. To use Rudy's reel glass, you would need to change the reel tray and move the printer down. What Top glass was in your machine?
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So, Pink Panther is a 5 coin game? I get what you're saying about fun play. On spin inc there are 3 pink panther reel strips. 74276-0, 74277- and 74279-0. I'm assuming this is reel 1, 2 and 3, correct?
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Oh, sorry. Here is a pic of my top glass. 15x19.5
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Nice glass. I am guessing Sunkist Graphics did it.
Reel Tape, Pink Panther, Vision SKU: 74279-0 Part No.: 846-278-00 is for Panther Bucks. Unless someone else chimes in, I will check my machine later for reel strip #'s. Spin has 5 different one's
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Thanks, Elvis. I want to make sure I get the correct strips. I wish there was a way to trick that vision monitor on. I sure would like to see it working before I go out buying all this stuff. Once I buy the glass and strips I'm committed.
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Elvis, I found this pic online. Note the reel glass. It would fit my current configuration and I would need to move reels or printer (or maybe I would, not sure). It seems it may not be Panther Bucks though. I see a cherry on the reels. Panther Bucks has no cherries. I do prefer single line over 5 line. It also has the tip-toeing pink panther. Great looking machine with the topper and all.
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The data card you showed goes in the top slot of the monitor. If you take the back cover off the monitor, look far left bottom by the memory cards and you will see a jumper connection. Put a jumper on it. When you turn on machine it will show computer code while it is booting. Is your monitor getting power? Is it doing anything except a black screen? Going back looking at your data card bgm00166, it is for a 5 line Dick Clark. I think that is the problem. May need bgm00066 for bonus reel game. But usually if the chip and card don't match, you get an error screen.
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Yes, I found the thread on the jumper. It goes through the whole boot sequence like a pc from the old days. It goes pretty fast so I can't catch everything but the only thing that resembles an error is "no cd rom device installed". Makes me wish I had a keyboard that would work on it so I could explore. After the boot it goes to "initializing, please wait..." and that's it.
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Great. We know the monitor is working. The data card should go in the top slot of the monitor, not the side slot. Most will only insert one way. Since you have the CD rom on it now I know why it has Dick Clark data card. That is what your problem will end up being. I have a couple machines with the CD rom and they won't work without the correct CD in them. You may be able to unplug the CD rom but I'm sure you will need a different BGM file for your machine. I am guessing BGM00006 for bonus wheel games or BGM00066 for bonus wheel also. I have both files. That Hot Peppers is a clone of some kind of diamond machine I think.
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I don't have a cd rom on it but it does show the error "no cd rom device found" or "no cd rom device installed" something like that. I don't actually have one on the machine. I looked at the back cover and it doesn't appear there was ever anything mounted there. I don't see bgm00166 on my data card. There are 6 stickers in date sequential order. bgm00000, bgm00013, bgm00029, bgm00055, bgm00067 and lastly bgm00068.
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Oop's post # 15 was from RB showing the Dick Clark card. Your BGM #'s seem fine with lots of different options. Try your card in the side slot then. Or try turning it around. On some the back of the card faces you. It should only fit one way, don't force it in. Usually the side slot is for updating the monitor RFA. If you can take a video of everything from boot up and post to youtube and post link here. Seeing what it is doing is almost as good as being at the machine.
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Here is the boot sequence at half speed. Pause at about 28 seconds. That's where the CD issue comes up. I know in old school computers, if the operating system can't find a drive it will continue on to the next option until it finds one. This seems to happen here after the cd 003 message.
https://youtu.be/TfbrT5ylXBs
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The computer in the monitor seems to be functioning properly. When it gets to initializing the VFD should also be then APP start, spin of the reels, please wait for monitor then ready to play. I remember the other guy that had a machine like yours, said he went into settings for bonus and set it for "Mystery Play" and it worked fine. On another note, if you go with the pink panther you need one 84629100 and two 84627300 reel strips for pick-a-panther. The one's from Rudy's are correct also.
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Thanks, Elvis. The reel strips you mentioned are not showing to be for a vision machine.
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I went to the Spin site and compared to my PP vision. Glue was set good on mine so I couldn't see the numbers.
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Well I can't argue with that, can I? You're a big help. Can you post a full view of your machine? I'd like to see which glass you have. Also, is the vision setup the same after clear/key as standard S2000 or are there other options or a certain key chip. I have Key 31.
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One thing you might want to check is that the harness with gray wires is plugged into the WAMM IPC.
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I'll check it tonight when I get home from work and let you know.
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And also the ribbon cable.
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I don't see a ribbon cable coming from the vision monitor. However, I checked all connection in the unit tonight. Unplugged, inspected connector, replugged. Honestly I'm not sure what or where the WAMM IPC is. No change tonight. Thinking of changing over to Pink Panther. :1: to Elvis for the suggestion. Elvis which Pink Panther bonus game do you have? I'd still like to see a full pic of your machine, too.
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The ribbon cable referred to goes from the power distribution box on the lower back wall of the cabinet to the motherboard. The grey wired plug goes to the top of that dist box, though I've removed those on my machines and not noticed any issues, might be different for vision games
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Ribbon cable is good. No plug with grey wires found from that box. I'm about to start from scratch with this machine and switch over to pink panther. I just have to nail down all the correct parts. Thanks, guys.
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Pick a Panther, Panther Bucks
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Very impressive :hail: . Which one has the best bonus game? By the way, I changed my two GME chips just for giggles last night. I got some options in the setup that I wasn't getting before and the sounds went what sounds like S+ melodies. Checked and double checked all cords, cables and connections. Still no top display. I have an actual Hot Peppers SB coming and some vision compatible GME chips. We'll try that and move on from there.
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I'm not shore if your vision needs the grey wires, but most games with top box bonus need it. I am pretty shore that is how it transfers the bonus credits.
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Honestly, Brian, I don't think my machine had a bonus round. I think the vision screen just displayed attraction messages, progressive info, maybe even showing reels that match the physical reels. No one has ever heard of a Hot Peppers Vision and I can't find anything on the net about one. It has true vision top glass but nowhere on any of the glass does it say "get 3 of this symbol to enter bonus" or anything like that. That is why I'm thinking of a changing games.
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I don't think my machine had a bonus round. I think the vision screen just displayed attraction messages, progressive info, maybe even showing reels that match the physical reels. .
I agree. I am tempted to send you a chip and data card to test your game. Since your monitor is coming alive and booting up, I am positive it is working properly. Don't believe 248 or 380's are going to help. Unless that SS chip leaves to scenario. And true vision software is installed.
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I've been keeping tabs on this post and was under the impression that sll were aware that there wasn't a bonus theme.... Way back when , when Visions were more seen in casinos ( it was a very short window as Barcrest bonus machines were much more popular) ... Most Vision machines had some type of bonus ; but a few game themes ( like Hot Peppers) did not. The top display was used as a marketing tool to advertise room rates, buffet specials, etc... Easily programmed with the top box ATA card.. Hello iammcneil68.. welcome to the world of Vision machines.. there are not too many of them out there and they have a sort of cult following amongst NLG members. Outside of less popular titles ( Cherry Pie, Double Diamond and Triple Diamond Bonus spin games); complete game kits are really difficult to find as I'm sure others will agree. You will come across individual pieces of glass so you might be able to piece a kit together but there are alot of variations in glass so be aware. The top glass comes in 9'. 16' and Round Top ... you also have right mount display and center mount display for the 16' and round top glass. Then you have 2,3,5 coin variations and then single line or 5 line as is the case with a Pink Panther game. The obvious draw to the Vision machines is the ability to easily change from one bonus game to another...... The complete list of Vision titles is here.. http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=3928.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=3928.0) .... Some of these titles have NEVER been seen before... a handful are pretty common. Good luck. Bill
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Thanks, Bill. Since Elvis suggested it AND spin inc has a matching set of glass, albeit 2 coin not 5 coin like elvis has, I'm really leaning toward Pink Panther. It's a great theme. Elvis, if you have a copy I would pay the shipping. Or if it's an extra you'd let go of, I'd buy it. Anyway, I'm assuming that I would need the correct SB & SG's as well. Elvis, the set that spin inc has that matches is a Panther Bucks 2CM. I think that is what I will go with. Thanks, again, Bill. I bought half of my machines to repair and sell. I'm keeping a couple and this is one of them so I want to make it work. Out of 6 machines this is the only one that isn't fully functional. Not too shabby for only 2 months into this hobby. If I could only get rid of the Sigma slant top that started all of this....
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Alter your copy comment... that is illegal and forbidden on the forum.
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I have an original data card for pick-a-panther (BGM00108), but not for panther bucks. for PAP SB000339, SG380 1&2, and version vs0011GX0PB is SB000425, SG248 1&2, version 009GX0. All chips are pretty easy to find in the classified section. want to buy. So glad tollguy joined in. He is one of the VISION Super Hero's
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If you opt for the standard single line Pink Panther strips; you can play both Pick a Panther and Pink Slips ( they both use the same strips).. Also; I prefer to use 248 game chips and Vs009gxo version along with the ATA 65 in the top box... with that set-up ; you will be able to play every 3 reel Vision title and only switch the SB chip and ATA card. Side note : Hey Jim.. hope all is well with you... got another rare Vision game. It's called Quest. It has 6 different bonuses... totally cool. Bill
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Bill, COOL. I saw a complete machine on EBay. 6 bonus's. Will need to see youtube of that.
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Ian, go to youtube and search IGT Vision for lot's of bonus rounds.
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I like the idea of being able to switch bonus games. Spin inc says their matching set is for Panther Bucks. I guess I'll need to look around. Also, the strips confuse me. Elvis' #1 strip is different from 2 & 3. Yet on Rudy's deals his set looks all the same. As seen in the pic of Elvis' machine they are different but his is a 5 line. So which strips for me?? Thanks for all the help, guys. I'm going to pull the trigger on this. I'm very close...
Elvis, is your pick a panther an extra copy that you would part with?
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Single line game strips are different from 5 line games. Pick a Panther and Pink Slips are single line games and all 3 reel strips are the same. Panther Bucks is a 5 line game and has different strips.... Before you buy any strips ; make sure to confer with someone who has the game you want to make sure you're getting the right strips. Panther Bucks is one of the best ; If not the best Vision games IMO as it plays like a 5 line Top Dollar.
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If your going the single line route, the SB's will be different than what I said. I don't know what they will be. If my BGM00108 is what you need, then I can let it go. I have all my files backed up in case something messes up in my machines.
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So, the next step is to make sure that I get matching glass. Spin inc's is for Panther Bucks. Maybe I can piece together a set from different sources. Elvis, I'll PM you soon. My wife is prepping for an antique show, which makes me a very busy man for the next week or two :duh: .
Bill, thanks for all of the great info. You really have me on the fence with what you said about Panther Bucks. Would the data card be difficult to find?
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Well I went ahead and unplugged the harness on my vision Cleopatra and the display never went past initializing. VFD said waiting for display. Even if this is not the problem now you will need it for Pink Panther to work. Also if you are getting sound when you play the game now you will probably need a different wiring harness to get sound from the top box like most vision games.
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Thanks, Brian. I will check for that harness when I get home (I wasn't 100% sure which one I was looking for). Where does it go on the other end, exactly?
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In case you didn't notice, my Panther Bucks has a 3 coin top glass. I didn't care. I like the 5 coin 5 line for the increased wins. This glass is almost impossible to find and strips too. It's not like your building an original, since the cabinet doesn't have the spots.
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I probably didn't notice because I wouldn't know it if I saw it (the correct glass). But I get what you're saying.
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It goes up to the left of the power supply, you should see a molex connecter with 3 grey wires that goes into the top box. There is another harness in the top box that goes to the display.
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Brian, I do have the harness. I followed it all the way up to the display. I check all junctions and all seems to be well. I changed out my SB from the generic 001000 with s+ chip to the correct SB for Hot Peppers. Still no change. Super busy for the next week or two. I'll post updates if anything changes.
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Unfortunately, no updates. I've done a few things when I had time but it's a busy couple of weeks. I'll be in touch.
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How about a picture of your belly glass. Maybe someone can identify the payouts as being the same as a double diamond vision theme. Like maybe DD Mine.
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Here you go.
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I kinda looks like a Red, White, and Blue Bonus Spin clone
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I think the guy in this thread http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=5380.msg29730#msg29730 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=5380.msg29730#msg29730) had an identical machine as mine (other than the theme). In his last post he mentioned Money Factory and Mystery Door Prize. I have those files on my data card, among others. It's just like mine, not a vision game but a game with a vision screen. I'm cool with that. At least I have all of the components. I'm gathering all the correct chips, software, etc for a game change. We'll see if my screen can get past "initializing, please wait"
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Well I went ahead and unplugged the harness on my vision Cleopatra and the display never went past initializing. VFD said waiting for display. Even if this is not the problem now you will need it for Pink Panther to work. Also if you are getting sound when you play the game now you will probably need a different wiring harness to get sound from the top box like most vision games.
Should the red light on the WAMM IPC come on upon power up? It does not light up on my machine. Also, my VFD never says "waiting for display".
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I think that is because it does not have a SB vision chip. I am guessing you are waiting on either sg380 or sg248
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I believe Bill recommended the 248's. I should have them soon.
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Great news! With a ton of help from a few members my Vision screen lives. It seems it was all about having the proper chip combo. It makes me wonder what original combo was in there and why so many BGM files are on the card. That's something for another day. Right now I am working on getting sound from the bonus game to work. Thanks for all of the input.
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Come on you can't leave it like this. Did the 248's work with the card and chip you had? Or did you use a different SB and card? Put it to print man and show short video and or photo's. Remember you may be helping someone else down the road reading this.
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LOL! I figured I wouldn't get off that easy, Jim. No, the 248's never did get things going. I used a SB chip and card for pinball. Just for giggles I popped in my original data card once everything was running and a I got a protocol error. I turned the reset switch, pressed white button, yada yada. I could get nothing to come up. Put the pinball back in, got the same error. turned and pushed again and everything reset and worked. They must have had a particular SB chip that made the original data card work. In my research I only found a couple that work with S+ chips (which is what was originally in the machine). SB001000 and one other. Maybe SB000010 or something. I'd be curious to see the original data card work.
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My notes call for SB000001 for using SS chips. Not that I have ever done it. For Pinball 248's, SB000353 and vs009gx0 is in mine.
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Holy crap! I got the original data card working by using an SB000001 and the SS chip that was in it to start with. In the setup it let me choose from 3 bonus games. I haven't hit one yet but will record when I do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZYsJaG3v0A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZYsJaG3v0A)
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This is in the log. I don't know how to hit one of these bonuses.
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Pretty sure the Good Luck and Win are about all you get with SS chip.
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See pic. More bonuses to come.
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Money Factory moves money down the conveyor when you land on certain things (don't know what yet). When it reaches the pallet at the end a man on a fork lift comes to take it away. It then hits your winner paid window. More to come....
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Next....
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Another...
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Build your Bonus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klrh_25WDMU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klrh_25WDMU)
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Mystery Door Prize...
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Those are all playable bonus rounds you've hit on that game?
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From what I can tell you don't necessarily "hit" anything and go into a bonus round. For instance, on Money Factory the conveyors seem to move randomly. When a pile of money reaches the end you get 20 credits. On Build your Bonus you get a puzzle piece each time you spin. When the puzzle is full you get 1 credit. I never saw anything happen on Double Jackpot or Door Prize...yet. It's a bit of a pain to key every time I want to change the BGM. I'll be checking them out more. There are various settings that can be manipulated after the key. % payout, etc...
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By the way. Here is the chip combo I used to get it going (tons of research to get to this point).
SB000001
SS4706
SG000093
VS009GX0
The BGM's are listed on the screen shot above.
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Finally caught this on video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BXeFcIBjSI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BXeFcIBjSI)
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Ian, you probably have the 4 pin molex for the sound amp in the monitor and vise versa. See this post for pictures of monitor wiring
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=13162.msg71090#msg71090 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=13162.msg71090#msg71090)
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This proves what I suspected. The previous owner had a molex connector going to the LCD with voltage. That's why the sound is blown out on both the monitors that came with the machine. The pics are good but I seem to be missing a harness or two. In the close up of the 2 top left connectors (2 pin green/blue & White/blue, 4 pin 2 of each same colors), where do they lead? I don't have that connector plate with the different molex's in the bottom left corner of the top cabinet. I have a hole with a bundle of wires going through it. Once I get a LCD that doesn't have the sound blown out I will need to make harnesses. I just don't know where they go. This is probably confusing. I'm going to post a video....
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Please see video and chime in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh9Dj5oQVus&feature=em-upload_owner (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh9Dj5oQVus&feature=em-upload_owner)
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OK it appears that you don't have the vision harness for the sound. The vision harness has two 4 pin plugs, one to sound amp and one to monitor. I may have an extra one unless Spin is sending monitor and harness.
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No harness from spin. At least not in the pic. I can make one based on yours and send it back when I'm done.
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The cable with red, orange and stripes is a good one to have. You will see a 4 pin flat molex, that plugs in J1 on the power dist. board then you can power a topper. I'll check my extra stuff Monday and see about the speaker cable. It has 2 plugs to monitor, 2 plugs to sound board, and a plug for the left side of your box. The reason you don't have the same connection on the left is because of the printer. Still the same connectors, just hanging.
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That would be awesome if you have one. Hopefully spin will take care of resending my order. That makes sense about the topper harness.
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Ok, Vision owners. I am looking for a diagram (even drawn by hand) of the sound harness for the top cabinet. I have studied Jim's pics but I can't see the whole harness and it does some looping around. I just can't make out what splits off from where. Specifically, what I'm looking for is the audio out harness. Somehow the audio out from the amplifier board and the audio out from the LCD box are tied in together. See Jim's pics here. http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=13162.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=13162.0)
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Unless someone else gets to it, I'll pull my harness out and take photos. Will be a couple day's though. Leaving for dinner and wedding anniversary Wendesday. So I better not even think about a slot Wednesday. Haha
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Thanks, Jim. Happy anniversary. I'll have the new vision screen Thursday. I have a bunch of molex stuff I could fashion a harness out of.
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Look what I found. http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=10167.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=10167.0) be sure to open the doc. on reply #4
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I am thinking it is the black flat plug at the amp that needs altering.
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On to something here...let me study this and I will post what I find. I still want you to pull that harness though and take pics. Great thread, Jim!
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The problem that I see with the diagram is that there is no output directly to the speakers (except to the bottom bass speaker). The signal (in the diagram) comes from the machine in 2 wires to the 2 pin molex on the LCD. It leaves the LCD 4 pin molex and goes to the amp (flat connector). It only shows 2 wires leaving the amp (maybe an oversite or chalked up to being obvious that bat ears would come out of the amp). However, it shows green/purple and white purple going to the flat connector. I have no purple whatsoever. Where the G/P and W/P are in the diagram, I have W/B and G/B. Which is the same color as on the other side of the flat connector.....ugh, this is starting to hurt my brain....trying..to...think......
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Well, would you lookie there! Thanks to Jim's pics and the link that he sent me which had a hand drawn diagram of the sound....all sound works! I get both the reel sound and sounds from the LCD. I had to make a harness, and boy is it ugly, but it works. Thanks, Jim!
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You didn't fool around and must have good eye's. I just sent the pictures 2 hours ago.
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I was a man on a mission! I'm changing bonus now. I want to hear what else I've been missing. What are the chances that I can find the brackets to mount a screen in another machine I have. Now that I have an extra coming tomorrow...maybe I'll try to make use of it.
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You have to know if the glass is for center mount or right side mount. Roz at CVSlots might have some.
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My latest oddity with this machine. This has been a very long thread so as a reminder; I got everything working with this chip combo SB000001 SS4706 SG000093 VS009GX0. The SS4706 is somewhere around 90% payout so I figured that I would throw in an SS4703 to get a higher payout. Only it will absolutely not work. Basically, I get to "hold button for 2-3 seconds", close the door, "testing memory", "NETPLEX LINK IS DOWN" and everything resets. It does this in a loop. Same thing over and over. I tried 2 different SS chips with same results. I pop my original SS4706 in and the whole setup process is normal. :Scratch-Head:
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Bent leg or bad chip.
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I put SG248's with the SB000001 and vs009GX1 with ss7840 and all was great. I tried SG380's and got the same error. Some chips don't work together I guess. Try the 248's you have with the new ss chips, SB000001 and vs009gx1
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I tried the 248's. I don't believe I have the vs009gx1. I have the gx0. I'll try it again with the 248's a little later. Maybe I was cross eyed the first several tries. Need more coffee...
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No luck at all. I tried the 248's. I tried some 363's I even tried switching the SB to SB001000 as I have read these work for SS/SB combo. The only difference I can find is that my original SS is 120ns and the new ones are 100ns. I don't see how faster could be a problem. I'm about done messing with it as everything is working. If it ain't broke....
This machine has been an adventure and I have learned a ton because of it. Well, for that matter, I am also dumbfounded about a few things as well. Big thanks to all that have helped. Also thanks to the thread titled IGT Vision Tripple Diamond found here http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=5380.msg28500#msg28500. (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=5380.msg28500#msg28500.) I used his pics to get the setup that finally got me running (namely the SB000001). That's why this site is so great. :hail:
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So you know the SB001000 is for non vision S2000's to use SS chip
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I'm sure that explains the whole reason I started this post..."initializing...please wait" It had a SB001000 in it when I got it. Now I'm monkeying around with sound. In a different machine that I have set up with vision LCD I got enhanced sound from my multimedia board. It's the round top that I'm changing to Pink Panther. SO, I'm trying to get a multimedia board to work in my Hot Peppers. So far, no luck. You guys probably think I'm crazy. Admittedly, if one project has to be on the back burner, another will come to the front. And so goes my neurosis.....
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Sounds perfectly normal to me. Slots are a horrible addiction
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Getting close to finished... Possible topper in the works.
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Unless someone else knows better, Vision sound comes from the pcmcia card and the monitor. The multi-media should not do anything on vision.
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When I put the vision monitor in my round top I used a chip and software for Pinball and I did get multimedia sound. However, no SS chip was used in that machine. I think it would work if not for the SS/SB combo in my Hot Peppers.
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ss CHIPS ( S+ PLATFORM have standard sound..... SB chips (S2000 PLATFORM) have enhanced sound... simple as that. ...... If you put an S+ kit into an S2000 machine; you'll only get basic sounds.... If the S+ kit has an S2000 sb chip equivelant; you'll then get enhanced sound........ not to be confused with a milti media light board for enhanced sound...
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Makes perfect sense and matches exactly what happened in my case.
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Ok. Now I'm thinking about it and I think terminology might be getting confused because I am fairly new to this. Here is what I did; I took a Crystal 7's S2000 with a light board and DSV00038. I installed a vision screen and chips/data card for pinball. While playing the game I got the same Crystal 7's sound as I always had. So, I realize I may not get multi media light sound on my SB/SS combo (Hot Peppers). However, multi media sound can run on a vision game, in my case it is pinball. During the bonus round all vision sounds play as they should. During spins, DSV00038 sounds.
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I'm getting close to calling this one done. Maybe a TITO and possibly player tracking. Not sure yet. This was my first S2000 and it's been fun learning and building it up. Thanks to all those that helped out. :thank_you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-VTGgyHFKg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-VTGgyHFKg)
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My latest oddity with this machine. This has been a very long thread so as a reminder; I got everything working with this chip combo SB000001 SS4706 SG000093 VS009GX0. The SS4706 is somewhere around 90% payout so I figured that I would throw in an SS4703 to get a higher payout. Only it will absolutely not work. Basically, I get to "hold button for 2-3 seconds", close the door, "testing memory", "NETPLEX LINK IS DOWN" and everything resets. It does this in a loop. Same thing over and over. I tried 2 different SS chips with same results. I pop my original SS4706 in and the whole setup process is normal. :Scratch-Head:
Jim, I figured something out today. The chip does matter. The SS4703 that I ordered was on a M27C64A chip. My original SS4706 was on a 27C64 chip. Today I got the SS4703 on a 27C64 (like the original) and it works just fine. SO....it seems the chip does matter. Just thought I'd add this in case someone has this issue in the future.