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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Bally Electromechanical => Topic started by: Slotace on March 16, 2018, 12:24:43 PM
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hi, my Bally EM 1090 was working great, all of a sudden on any hit the payouts don't stop and the machine blacks out because the hoppy runs dry. It is a Dollar Machine. any advice appreciated!
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Hi and :NLG_WELCOME:
Was it a big jackpot. 100 coins or more? If you can post a couple pictures of your machine inside and out will be helpful.
Gary
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Hi and thanks! The hopper runs wild on ALL pays, even the lowest until it times out due to lack of coins. No, it was not on a big win, just started to do it. It was working fine before- I have to clear the WIN combination and reset the timer and it plays fine until the next win- and the same thing happens. Just got it a few days ago, it has been sitting for a long time, the machine looks virtually new inside and out, hardly any wear on anything, even the wiring colors are like new- no grime, grease or dirt anywhere, not even a dent in the chrome frame. Strange, the Bally Tag on says R15 M1 MHF 50. Never seen that code before, the machine is all EM, no conversion, no computer boards etc. It play really smooth, like I said no wear marks on any parts that I can see. Here are a few pics! I did just clean all of the contacts on the hopper and reel mechs, still the same issue happens.
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Here is a pic of thei inside:
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your payout unit is not incrementing - either your stepup coil b25-925 is defective - but most likely the payout circuit activating that coil - this circuit goes thru the multiplier units in the feature unit.
wire code are red/black and black/green if i remember correctly. chase the wire going to the stepup coil.
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Nice clean machine. Sounds like the payout unit is not stepping up. Located in lower right rear next to hopper.
Has about 8 counter weight washers on the step up coil plunger. If this plunger is not moving in and out the unit is not stepping up. It’s possible to manually step the unit durning a payout by pushing on the washers with a dowel rod which in turn may stop the hopper motor. But this method should be used a a last resort with utmost caution.
There is a previous post on this subject on a older manual type unit, but it has the same function.
Check it it out.
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Hopper won’t quit
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Would that particular step up coil be up in the feature unit or on the hopper? (pic of hopper step up attached)
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interesting - you have an old style hopper - so your machine may look like a 1090 - but the hopper and payout are not. based on the fact your tag has codes that are not bally - this machine was MADE - CLONED or whatever you want to call it. You will need to trace wiring - not sure if the company who made this machine wired it to 809/1090 code or not - since your problem is the stepup coil - the b25-925 (large coil on the back of the payout unit you pictured) - check the wiring to that coil - the orange is on one side - the red/black? needs top be traced - that is the wire that activates the stepup
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If possible post photos of the step up unit and hopper.
Pivot roller contacts are part of the step up unit function.
Check for function and continuity.
Pivot roller is activated by coins rolling under the pivot arm roller bushing.
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I took photo's of the hopper and Bally Machine tag- very strange, I caught something the camera saw that is fairly well hidden- the date 7-5-68. Is it possible this was a Bally Prototype before they came out with the 1090? It is like it has seldom been played, everything inside shines like it is near new, even the wiring and chrome. When it pays out, the meters move for each dollar dropped - all the coils have the bally name on them and noted on the hopper the label "Patent pending". Here are more pics of the hopper- I will trace that coil wire for continuity. Can I put 50v to the coil to test it to see if it works? (jumper off another coil circuit that is activated to see if it works?) thanks much all!
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You can use a yellow jumper to the terminal opposite the Orange terminal for testing the coil.
Might want to clean and inspect the contacts in attached photo.
Wondering if the machine was made for the military?
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David.
I don't know if it's the pictures, but that hopper wiring looks to be cloth wrapped wiring? That hopper just doesn't seem right for the game? That's an early hopper from a 700/800 series game. It's possible that someone at Bally was experimenting with making a new model / game and built something out of parts just laying around??
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The wiring is plastic on the outside don't see any cloth or fabric around it - I will test that coil to see if it activates, if it does will trace the wiring back and check those contacts again, I cleaned all of them very slightly, am getting beau plug jumper cables soon in Vegas, would be very helpful. to see all of this playing outside the machine. I remember my 809 hopper looked just like this but was smaller - yep, it's got me, that number I cannot find anywhere, and this must have been sitting in a basement somewhere for 50+ years, the bottom coin meter reads only 4,212 coins and it plays smooth as butter so don't think it was used very much. I did find bally incorporated during the year on the tag, that date is hard to see except under bright light but is the year 1968. Thanks much!
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The model number on the tag is 815 not R 15. Could it be a model 815? The 809 model came our in 1967 so it is possible this might have been for overseas sales?
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Thanks! I now see that is an "8", now makes more sense. I wonder if maybe originally they had an 800 series game in it and it never left Bally- then maybe they put the 1090 reels and hopper board in it and it then left Bally? I'm sure when they developed models they made samples, etc? The soldering points are all factory fresh, meaning no mess anywhere, perfect looking. Would love to find out .... But didn't the wide bodies come out later, like in the 80's? Actually, this cabinet is like medium, not quite as big as the 1080 wide bodies but bigger than the smaller 809 i had.
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An 815 is listed as a 4 reel machine.
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815 is a lowboy made in the late 60s I had 6 in my shop a couple of years ago my guess is they put that tag on a 1090 because of the date code some states require it be 25 years old I have seen a lot of newer machines like 1088 withold id tags it used to be really common
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Except for the hopper and the tag, everything else looks to be a 1090.
Well, at least you know the machine works with the different hopper.
With the step up unit at the front of the machine. You could set up a small jackpot and manually step it up.
Count the steps as you do it, should equal or be within a couple of coins.
Or just look in to see if the coil plunger is moving in and out.
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Progress! I checked the coils and they all activate upon test voltage. I think I have it isolated to the feature unit because I checked connections by hand, wiggled wires to the step up unit and it worked great, payouts were perfect. - but the hopper ran wild again on another hit, I opened up the feature unit, closed it and it worked great- did it several more times again, hopper running wild- I removed the 4 Cr Relays, put them back, snuggled up wire connections etc- now is working great! so far but not convinced I have it fixed yet. I will continue to play as it has been intermittent. I see no broken wires or loose solder joints but again, this machine has been sitting quite a while. Anything in this feature unit i should focus in particular on? i have no wiring diagrams to go off . The 3 coin step up multiplier works great. As I read the advice I am trying to focus on that red multi wire that comes off the large hopper payout unit coil, it is marked B-26-1100 and follow into the feature unit but the wiring is very tight. . I didn't see that number mentioned on any coil but the larger of the 2 coils I originally pictured, it is a B-26-1100 marking. The coil activates fine upon test voltage.
I remember now- that older style hopper in it, has the older style overflow drop box drop switch mech (the white golf ball) and the zero stop bumper is like a round composite washer, not like the pencil type rubber on the newer style em hoppers. Memory lapse. Thanks for all of your help, so much appreciated! Atached is a pic of the feature unit.
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I'm wondering if you might have a relay that is sticking. It would explain why you had or have your run away hopper.. What you could do if it happens again, would be to open the feature unit and tap on each relay to see if it stops, or leave it open while playing the game to see if you can tell what relay energizes during a payout.. There are two different voltage types of those relays, so be careful if you try swapping them around.. The coil voltage is marked on the plastic cases of the relays.. If I remember correct they are 48V and 6V..
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thanks, great advice! so far it has been playing perfect all afternoon and night, if it does it again will do that for sure! the only thing now (assuming it stays good) is a buzzing coin armature on the door (the lower one that moves the divertor plate in and out - sometimes gets louder, maybe wrap some electrical tape around the coil? or replace it? love the sound of the falling dollar coins like the old days! thanks for your awesome help!