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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Bally Reel Games => Topic started by: billrwilson on September 09, 2017, 08:21:40 PM
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2003 bally 6000. 2 things happening. First for the first game the coins go in the hopper then the next and everyone after that bypass the hopper. Second the hopper itself. When I cash out the hopper just keeps paying and doesn't stop. It's like it's not counting what it's paying.
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If you mean the coins are going into the bottom of the machine and you can play the machine then read below. If you mean the coins are coming back to you in the coin tray on the front of machine then what I say below does not apply.
Slot machines have a way to divert the inserted coins to a coin bucket inside the stand underneath the machine (this was the usual setup in the casino before the "no-coins" era came along). This is done because sometimes in the casino the coin hopper can get full and they don't want the excess coins spilling out all over the inside of the machine. In the bottom of your machine will be a coin path that leads to a hole. The coin would drop thru the hole and into a bucket inside the stand. This means there is a "coin diverter" mounted on the inside of the main door, usually underneath the coin acceptor or coin comparitor. The diverter can send the coin to the hopper or to the overflow bucket. The diverter is controlled by a switch on the hopper that detects when the hopper is full. It is done a couple of different ways, you will need to examine your machine to see which way it uses.
Method #1 is a metal probe that sticks into the side of the hopper. There are several holes in the hopper's side so that this probe can be moved to different positions. A wire is connected to this probe. When the hopper gets full enough for a coin to touch this probe it grounds out the probe circuit and this tells the coin diverter to start sending the coins to the overflow bucket.
Method #2 is a weight switch mounted to the lower part of the coin hopper. The front side of the hopper is mounted on some springs. When enough coins are in the hopper the weight of them will move the hopper downward and this activates the "hopper full" switch. A wire from this switch causes the coin diverter to change to the coin overflow position.
If you can't figure out what is causing the coin diverter to do this you can disable the coin diverter and make it stay in the hopper position all the time.
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Sounds like it's a 2 coin max bet game and additional coins put in aren't going to credit. Not sure how to change this on a Bally
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I wonder if DSW2 SW8 DIVERTER OPTIC SUPPORT has anything to do with it?
Changing any switch on a 6000 requires a clear procedure before the change takes effect.
casino lore:
The drop bucket was the casino's take or profit on the game, the drop crew would collect this money once or twice a week in the dark of night.
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Forgot to mention that it even happens when I push the test coin button. I reset, push test coin 3 times, reels spin then click, coin diverter changes for all other test coins. Have to press reset buton or turn machine off and on again. Tried disconnected diverter but just get error.
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Did you just get the machine and it had this problem, or was it working ok up until recently? If it was working ok not long ago think about any work or changes that were done to the machine that might have caused this new behavior.
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Just got the machine a month ago. Has a coin simulator and a hopper one. I hooked it all back up for coins and that's how I found out. Also did a full reset when I did that. Dip switches set for hopper and coins.
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So you got the machine and it had a fake coin in and fake hopper and you removed all of that and added a coin acceptor and hopper?
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Came with everything. Both simulators and real. Just a matter of unplugging and plugging and dip switches and settings. It just acts like the hopper is full and diverts to the bottom of the machine after I play the first three coins. Maybe bad hopper board? Hopper also continues to pay even when you cash out with one credit. Just keeps spitting coins.
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On the hopper problem where it keeps dispensing coins take a close look at the top of the hopper wheel, you will see where the coins go past a coin counter. It may be either a mechanical rocker-arm lever connected to a switch or an optical counter. As each coin go past it the coin is counted and that signal is sent to the mpu board. When the correct number of coins has been paid out the mpu shuts off the hopper motor. You may have a bad coin counter or a broken wire to it.
Post photos of your hopper and maybe we can see something wrong.
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I tried posting picture and it won't let me.
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Ok I've been looking at other pictures of hopper parts. I think I have a 50cent shelf and blade not a quarter like it's suppose to be.
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With the hopper out of the machine you can put a few coins in it and then rotate the coin wheel by hand. You will need to release the hopper motor brake so it will turn. Only turn the coin wheel CCW, watch as the coins get picked up onto the coin wheel, it has little nubs or raised bumps that catch the coins. As the coins get to the top portion of the hopper they should properly pass thru the coin counter before they get picked off the wheel by the coin knife. If the coins are not getting counted the hopper will continue to dispense them until a timeout occurs or the hopper runs out of coins.
If you have photos you want to show us but can't figure out how to post them you can email them to me and I can post them. Send me a PM and we can exchange email addresses. Look for the PM icon over to the left of this post, look for where it says "private message".
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You can get away using the .50c coin wheel, but you will need to have the .25c shelf wheel for sure.. I've done it without any problems..
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Here are the photos Bill wanted to post of his machine and the hopper. Has anyone seen this game before?
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More photos:
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I figured out to do a #4 hopper test. It's supposed to dispense 10 coins but it does not. It keeps dispensing coins till I get an empty hopper code. Counter/optics bad? See pics about to see the sensors.
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I would suspect the coin counter. It is located at the top of the hopper, as the coins move to the left to get dispensed they move past the counter.
The counter can be a mechanical type "rocker-arm" style that moves up and down as the top of the coin presses against it. The other end of the rocker-arm activates a switch. Or the counter can be an optical style, it is made so that the coin passes between two arms and blocks the light passing between the arms. If your machine has been converted to use a smaller coin than what it used originally then the hopper may not have the right parts for the smaller coin, and now the coin passes too low under the counter to be detected.
The coin counter has a wire connected to it, that wire sends a signal to the main circuit board (mpu) that a coin has been dispensed.
Inspect the top of your hopper, find the counter and carefully look it over. As mentioned earlier, if your coin shelf is wrong then the coin will not ride high enough for the coin counter to see it. With the hopper out of the machine you can rotate the coin wheel counter-clockwise and watch as the coins move up and then to the left to get dispensed. Shortly before getting dispensed the coin should pass the coin counter and activate it.
Post photos of the top of the hopper and the coin counter, looking straight-on, if you have any questions.
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Pictures are above. There are 2 counters side by side. I'll post a link to the part.
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This is 1 counter. I have 2 side by side. Why 2?
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Redundancy, but if one goes bad no coins get counted.
Another great Bally design.
There is a jumper on the board above the two connectors.
You can move the jumper over and only use one optic.
If no still no coins count then try the other optic, guaranteed one works.
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Moved jumper, not counting. Moved counter plug still not counting. Removed jumper nothing at all, Red and green flash. Pretty sure I need board and optics. Best place to by them?
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You could send your board and optics to us. We can put them in a working hopper and test them out then replace or repair as needed.
We do have a box of tested and working optics and boards to choose from.
The last time I repaired a board all it took was removing all of the old tantlum capacitors and replacing them, they dry up with age.
PM me
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I've been looking on line and replacement boards are only $15 and optics are $5 each.
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Those are both good prices. Are they tested parts?
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It's a website called rudydeals here is the link. http://rudysdeals.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=62 (http://rudysdeals.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=62) I'm thinking of just getting a whole hopper. They have one from an s6000 cleaned and tested. Anybody dealt with these people before?
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The hopper I was looking at is a quarter Hopper which came from an S6000 is $29.99 with $20.40 shipping is that an okay price or is that a lot for shipping I'm in Wisconsin
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For the size and weight that's cheap.
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Does anybody know the reputation of this company Rudy deals.com
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Call me I can help you
I live in rockford Illinois and have a lake house in the wisconsin dells
I'm an expert on bally slot machines
You can bring it to me I can tell you quickly what is going on with the game
Scott
Phone number 760-613-1080