**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: shebaatkins on April 06, 2024, 06:38:14 AM
Title: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: shebaatkins on April 06, 2024, 06:38:14 AM
I have been working on a triple diamond deluxe igt splus. I replaced the battery, did a clear chip, replaced the door optic on the cabinet and got it spinning. it passes the reel strip test and the pay table test. When I play though, it will not nudge the diamonds up, (only down). the weird thing is that it still pays out like it is nudging the right way of the diamonds. I am running sp731 and ss7217 game type 5 on the machine. Any suggestions? Thanks so much in advance.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: knagl on April 06, 2024, 07:14:46 AM
Welcome to NLG.
That's an interesting one. The chip numbers you listed are correct for your game (SS7217 is for a 3-coin Triple Diamond Deluxe, and SP731 is listed as supporting a Type 5 game, which that is). With all three reels not nudging up I'm thinking it might be some weird issue with your MPU board, but hopefully one of our members may have seen this before and might have some more specific information for you.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on April 06, 2024, 05:34:02 PM
On the reel strips are certain symbols that have the arrows pointing upwards. Those are the only ones that are supposed to nudge upwards.
My question to you is...when a upward symbol is stopped momentarily below the payline, it then falls downwardsall the way around and then coming back over the top of the reel to a stop...opposite of the direction it's supposed to go? ...and paying out correctly too????
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: shebaatkins on April 06, 2024, 06:14:43 PM
I would like to do a few more spins so that I can more clearly express myself. I will post in a day or two. I hope that will be ok. At this moment the diamonds pointing Down move one click down but the ones pointing UP to the payline only move down one click instead of up. It definitely does not move all the way around.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: sixcardmark on April 06, 2024, 06:40:00 PM
Reel strip #1 and #2 may be reversed. Reel strip #'s should end in: reel 1-100, reel 2-200, reel 3-300.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: sixcardmark on April 06, 2024, 06:57:19 PM
The first symbol under the seam on strip #1 should be a single bar with a diamond pointing up.
The first symbol under the seam on strip #2 should be a single bar only.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: shebaatkins on April 06, 2024, 07:21:38 PM
thank you. Those symbols are in the right place.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: shebaatkins on April 07, 2024, 09:27:42 AM
In the pic those 2 bars should have went up and paid 90. Instead they went down to put the 3 bars on the payline but still paid 90 (instead of 360). They only went one click down (not all the way around).
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: sixcardmark on April 07, 2024, 10:10:20 AM
I believe either your strips are not in the notches correctly or your SS chip is not 7217.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: shebaatkins on April 07, 2024, 10:34:06 AM
This pic I think shows that it is ss7217 and sp 731. Can the machine still pass the expanded reel strip test and pay table test if the reel strips are on incorrectly?
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: sixcardmark on April 07, 2024, 10:46:09 AM
Yes it does show correct SS. Are they lined up with the notches? No those tests will fail if strips are on incorrectly.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: shebaatkins on April 07, 2024, 11:35:18 AM
I am pretty sure it is passing both of those tests. I have included pics of the 3 reel placement. I think they are on correctly. The notches line up.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: sixcardmark on April 07, 2024, 12:04:38 PM
When you have the SS and SP chip showing in the display press the spin button. It should line up to 3 triple diamonds. If it doesn't then strips on not on reels correctly.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: shebaatkins on April 07, 2024, 12:30:15 PM
Yes it did line up 3 triple diamonds
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: knagl on April 09, 2024, 09:36:32 PM
In the pic those 2 bars should have went up and paid 90. Instead they went down to put the 3 bars on the payline but still paid 90 (instead of 360). They only went one click down (not all the way around).
Now I'm more confused than after your first post. You're saying that the reels always nudge down regardless of which way the diamonds are pointing?
Can you maybe shoot a few minutes of video of you playing the game to show the problem happening a few times and upload that video to YouTube? You can then post the YouTube link here and we'll all be able to more clearly see what's happening and try to figure out why.
Thank you.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: shebaatkins on April 09, 2024, 10:40:32 PM
Yes I am saying that the reels always nudge down regardless of which way the diamonds are pointing.
Here's a video you requested. (If i did it right). I have another recorded but it is stuck in some upload delay with youtube at the moment. It just shows the same thing a couple more times. The diamonds are pointing up, but the reels move down.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on April 10, 2024, 06:41:58 AM
Remove the three reel strips, place them side-to-side on the floor as you remove them and take a clear photo of the numbers on the bottom of them. When you want to put them back on, makesure thenotch on the reel strips match up to lock with the nib of plastic inside the edge of the reel baskets.
I watched your video. SOMEthing is definitely screwed up here as I wrote in Reply #2.
Also, are you using a 16Mhz MPU? A 16Mhz MPU doesn't have the plastic blue volume control knob. You can also read the silver crystals on the MPU circuit board - they usually have 10 or 16Mhz ink-stamped on them. I've noticed some problems with certain SP chips if placed on an 16Mhz MPU.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: lookes on April 10, 2024, 07:31:59 AM
Do you have another MPU to try?
The reel drivers work with simple step and direction signals. It sounds like the direction signal is stuck on forward. When the nudge happens, the reel is fed the correct number of pulses to move one physical stop, but the direction signal is always forward. The optics don't know what direction a reel turned on a simple nudge. Just that it moved. You won't get a reel fault as a result. (It takes one full rev of a reel for the processor to know the absolute reel position)
Cool problem.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: shebaatkins on April 10, 2024, 08:03:42 AM
It is 10 Mhz I believe. (pic added)
reel strip number pic also added he
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: shebaatkins on April 10, 2024, 08:07:13 AM
Unfortunately I do not have another Mpu.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: sixcardmark on April 10, 2024, 08:32:07 AM
Yes it's a 10Mhz MPU. Correct strips, correct order, test lines up the three diamonds so they were on notches correct too. :soapbox_3:
I agree, time to try another MPU. :me_too:
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: sixcardmark on April 10, 2024, 09:19:16 AM
Here's a video you requested. (If i did it right). I have another recorded but it is stuck in some upload delay with youtube at the moment. It just shows the same thing a couple more times. The diamonds are pointing up, but the reels move down.
The video is helpful, thank you. If you do indeed have a longer one that you can share, that will also be helpful, especially to see when it mispays (pays an award different than what it nudged to) just to confirm exactly what's happening.
I think member lookes is onto something in Reply #17 (https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=42595.msg226376#msg226376), though, that it's just for some reason not getting the signal to change the direction of the nudge.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: shebaatkins on April 14, 2024, 07:53:24 AM
In the above video you can see on the winning roll the double bar with the diamond should have went up, but went down instead. This made the single bar come to the payline, which should have paid out 30 coins, (3 single bars), Instead the machine paid out 15 coins, as if the double bars came up(like they were suppose to do.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: knagl on April 14, 2024, 10:14:11 PM
Very interesting. That's helpful in showing that the machine is indeed paying out correctly for what it should be nudging to, it's just nudging down each time even when it should be nudging up. In fact at the very start of this latest video there's an incorrect nudge down that should have been up, too.
I would suspect that there's a problem with your MPU board. Either a replacement or repair of your board is likely in order.
Of note, your board is probably fine for use with games that don't nudge, or one of the oddball nudge games like Knock Down (https://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Knock%20Down%20(3%20Coin%20Multiplier).htm) that only nudges down, so don't trash the board if you do go the replacement route -- it's still fairly useful in its current condition.
I guess one thing you could try at this point since you don't have much to lose would be a RAM clear. I really don't think it will fix the issue, but it won't really hurt anything to try, either. If nothing else, it would be cheaper than buying a new board.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: shebaatkins on April 17, 2024, 06:48:41 AM
Thanks everyone for the help so far. I have tried another RAM clear but no luck there as expected. I think I am going to try to get another slot machine with no nudge and switch the boards I am looking into a double diamond now to work on that might work for this. I will keep you posted.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: shebaatkins on May 01, 2024, 11:01:07 AM
UPDATE: I bought the double diamond I mentioned but the motherboard and MPU were corrupt. So, I used these boards in the DD to get that machine spinning with the right payout and graphics. Now I am in search of both a motherboard and MPU that can run Triple Diamond Deluxe with HOPEFULLY the correct nudge. I will keep you updated once I obtain these two things. I also want to again thank everyone for the help you are giving me.
Title: Re: triple diamond deluxe will not nudge up
Post by: knagl on May 02, 2024, 09:48:57 PM
Now I am in search of both a motherboard and MPU that can run Triple Diamond Deluxe with HOPEFULLY the correct nudge.
If you haven't done so already, I would suggest posting a WTB (Want To Buy) in the classifieds section (https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=4.0) with what you're looking for.
Also, coincidentally, someone did post in the NLG Facebook group within the past day or so that he has S+ MPU and motherboards for sale. This is not a personal endorsement of him, just information for you that might be useful: