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Howdy!!! I'm looking to buy the Eproms for an IGT Vision Series Hook Line and Winner. From reading other posts on here, I will need a SB000161 (3 coin) and also a BGM00058 for the vision data card.
I have the glass and reel strips. I did notice that they just recently removed the last of these machines from my local casino, the Coushatta in Kinder, La.
Below are posts from other users on this site looking for the same game Eproms.
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=23373.msg124855#msg124855 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=23373.msg124855#msg124855)
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=5852.msg32891#msg32891 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=5852.msg32891#msg32891)
I would appreciate any help you guys could provide.
Many thanks!!!
Lumberjack93
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Wow. Never seen one in the wild before. I have renewed hope again. Maybe the casino will tell you who did the mass purchase. Hope they didn't go to a scrapper
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By the way, I forgot to say that I will be willing to pay $500.00 or more for a complete set of these chips.
Send me a PM if you can source these chips.
Lumberjack93
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I'll admit....that particular software is about the rarest I've never been able to find.
I've search the entire state of Texas because had there were an abundance of Visions down there.
I came up zero with that state....I've called just about every slot store down there.
Now I'm hearing New Jersey may have it...where? I don't know yet. :no:
I've also heard that there are quite a few Visions overseas....but where? - is the big question.
Louisiana might be the next state I'm calling....lol
Where did you get the photo from?
There may be a clue..... :sherlock:
In that photo alone, are three that I can see.
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That machine in the photo was part of a bank of Hook Line and Winner machines at the Coushatta Casino and Resort in Kinder, La.
https://www.coushattacasinoresort.com/ (https://www.coushattacasinoresort.com/)
This is a Native American casino by the way.
I've also encountered this game at other Casinos in Louisiana.
Finally, I remember seeing a picture of one of them that came from a Native American Casino in or around California.
Lumberjack93
I'll admit....that particular software is about the rarest I've never been able to find.
I've search the entire state of Texas because had there were an abundance of Visions down there.
I came up zero with that state....I've called just about every slot store down there.
Now I'm hearing New Jersey may have it...where? I don't know yet. :no:
I've also heard that there are quite a few Visions overseas....but where? - is the big question.
Louisiana might be the next state I'm calling....lol
Where did you get the photo from?
There may be a clue..... :sherlock:
In that photo alone, are three that I can see.
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By the way, here are some additional pics of that machine when I was playing it a couple of years ago.
I'll admit....that particular software is about the rarest I've never been able to find.
I've search the entire state of Texas because had there were an abundance of Visions down there.
I came up zero with that state....I've called just about every slot store down there.
Now I'm hearing New Jersey may have it...where? I don't know yet. :no:
I've also heard that there are quite a few Visions overseas....but where? - is the big question.
Louisiana might be the next state I'm calling....lol
Where did you get the photo from?
There may be a clue..... :sherlock:
In that photo alone, are three that I can see.
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Ok, just raised the bounty to $1,000.00 for this game.
Any takers? Check your inventory please.
Lumberjack93
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I wanted to add this. I just pulled my glass out of storage that I've had for the last 7 years or so. I'm including pics because it just dawned on me that my glass and others I've see are different for this game. I guess there was a base Sizzling 7 game and one that only used a plain red 7. See my reel strips in the next set of pics.
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Notice these reel strips aren't exactly the same as the Hook Line and Winner game above. They will still work, but I'm just now realizing that there were really 2 Hook Line and Winner games.
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Mike,
You have the 849-35-300 strips.
You need the hamburger Bonus Sizzlin 7's strips...NLG longtime member JIM might have them.
I don't know the number on them.
If you find those, give me the numbers and I'll load them into the Vision Master List I'm making.
It's possible the SB161 is for a different BGM game....the "Bonus Sizzlin 7's HL&W"...not the regular "HL&W".
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exact same pay table, He has sizzling 7 and I have regular 7. same order on everything. Same pay
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Same pay
okay...that's good.
That may mean the only difference between SB160 and SB161 is the 2coin v.s. 3 coin games.
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I have sb000161 just no BGM
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Here is checksum of SB000161 I have
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Hey Lumberjack,
I have found a seller that claims to have multiple sets of chips for your game but there not interested in selling to the public they said because they can make more money from the casinos when they call looking for the chips. Send me a pm if you would like the sellers name
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PM sent.
Hey Lumberjack,
I have found a seller that claims to have multiple sets of chips for your game but there not interested in selling to the public they said because they can make more money from the casinos when they call looking for the chips. Send me a pm if you would like the sellers name
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Chris, here are the 2 reel strips I was talking about. There is no difference in HLW & Regular Sizzling Sevens strips except for the worm/sizzling symbols. So, what does this do to your thoughts on Bonus Game Type 27?
Lumberjack
I have sb000161 just no BGM
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Unfortunately those strips are the same ones I have and the payouts do NOT match any of the symbols at all when I ran the game.
Tee Time strips is in exact arrangement as those HLW strips as well.
I think HLW has two bonus rounds, so does Tee Time - just worded differently.
I am not sure about this but look at your bonus round awards on your glass....same as Tee Time's 3-coin game.
The only resort is to make a different set of strips to match the pay-table of the chips we do have.
Hopefully they will match the glass, if not, that's another dilemma we face without the correct, un-corrupted software combo.
***UPDATE***
I just threw everything back in and replayed the bonus round.
When the fish is caught in the net, that's when the error occurs.
Something is missing in the BGM card or the command from the SB chip to complete the bonus.
I've also included a photo below of where the reel strips stop at when it hits one of the bonus rounds.
Here a link to the short video of the Bonus round playing before the error occurs.
https://youtu.be/NRi-zKF-6ks (https://youtu.be/NRi-zKF-6ks)
Click on photos below to enlarge if needed...>>>
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I am guessing this is with SB000198 fishin game SB?
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I am guessing this is with SB000198 fishin game SB?
Yes...thanks to you for discovering that!
The SB198 completes the Bonus round and works fine with Tee Time BGM only.
It just has the wrong paytable, which doesn't allow our strip symbols to match up with a winning line combo for either BGM.
The HL&W BGM might be missing the bonus award graphics because the awards come up fine with Tee Time.
I will look into the TT BGM and see if I can find those award graphics - to try to make the HL&W BGM work right.
But if the award graphics are on the SB ( Which I doubt...only the paytable is on those) , then I can't do anything.
I cannot get the SB161 chip to work with either BGM's at all.
The SB161 just throws the "Bonus Game Not Supported" error.
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OK So I have done a little research and here are my thoughts. Please someone chime in fill in the blanks.
We know that the original ATA was 1.0025. If you look at the PSR for ATA1.0025 you will see that it worked with Steppergame 24.
If you look at the PSR For Steppergame 24, it supported a SS chip. (which would of course be for the payout of the "deluxe" version and possilby other versions.)
SO I think the original software was the following
ATA 1.0025
SS chip???
Stepperbase 161
VFD??
Version??
I think this is how the game was originally setup to play..
I believe the paytable was controlled with an ss chip on steppergame 24.
If you look Stepperbase 161 in code you will that it is a type 0 game, bonus type 27. That is clear as day in the programming. See the attached pic for code.
This was the original progamming from what I am making of all of this.
We have ATA 1.0025 but it has been upgraded.
We need to follow the software update trail and that should make this game play.
I cannot figure out the updated software will not work SG380, SB161 and such. The PSR for SG380 Shows that this game completly should work with SG380.
MORE THOUGHS...
I have always thought programmed into the stepperbase was code that states the stepperbase was looking for a particular BGM NUMBER. But I think I can prove this wrong now.
If you look at the code for STEPPERBASE 198 which of course is for "The fishing game" then you will see that it is also a TYPE 0 game, bonus 27.
I Do Not believe that the stepperbase is calling for a particular bonus game number such as BGM00058. It is calling for a TYPE game and a Bonus Type game.
This is the reason the games are playing on Stepperbase 198 however the paytables are wrong. They are all type 0 games, with bonus type 27 media.
There are four games for vision that I can find that are Bonus 27.
A) Nothing to loose
B) Tee Time
C) Hook Line and Winner
D) The Fishing Game
I cannot verify that Stepperbase 158 or 159 (nothing to loose) Is a type 0 (because I cannot find the stepperbase), but on the PSR for Nothing to loose BGM It says that it is a TYPE 27 Bonus Media, SO I can only assume that it is also a Type 0 game and all TYPE 0 Games with Bonus TYPE 27 media should play on ALL of these stepperbases.
We just need to figure out all of the updated software and which ATAs replaced what ATA and which StepperGame replaced What Steppergame and possibly go backwards a little to a previous HLW setup and this game in theory should work.
Let me know your thoughts!!!!
Chris
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Attached is a list of all the Sizzling7's SS Chips I could find on the mississippi gaming comm website.
I never messed around too much with Sizzling 7's on a S+ machine, only a few haywire machine and double diamond, stuff like that.
What is the "DEXLUE?"
Is that a type 0 that is shown on the list????
Seems weird that the STepperbase says a type 0 game and a few of the SS chips are a TYPE 0
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I think you are on to something. I bet the sizzling seven bonus chip might work. Only thing is ss chip usually works with sb00100 or something.
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I can only try the ss/sb001000 combo later...I have the bonus sizzling sevens deluxe version for the s+...it connected via a small serial I terrace board to the top box lighted bonus display unit...much like the way the LCD is connected using the 3 gray serial harness in an s2k vision...golfing today! Chris, your programmer is still reading data backwards...lol...might be a reader setting?
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I think he is saying SB000161 with sizzling ss chip. After all the ss calls for bonus bar in s plus game
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So the first time I see the HLW ever mentioned is in Steppergame 123 which is ATA 10053 or its replacement; however it does not call for a SS eeprom. Those stopped around SG100.
I do not have SG123 and ATA10055 replaced ATA 10053 Im pretty sure, which I do have.
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Yes I am thining that the ORIGINAL software was this
StepperGAME 24
StepperBASE 161
SS CHIP (Not sure which one) But must be one off that list something for a Bonus sizzling 7's Deluxe??? Possilbly one that is a TYPE 0
ATA 1.0025
VFD ???? (Not sure probably VFD0002?)
Version chip (Not sure) Still looking to see what is supported
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Ok one more update and Im off to bed. I worked all night haha.. I will try to write this so it makes sense.
First if you look at the pictures that Mike posted, we KNOW that this is a multi denom game, but we already know that. IF you look at the VFD display in the pics it is a split screen which will only be supported by a multi denom game.
So according to the Mississippi Gaming commission list I see the following
Stepperbase 161 is approved software it is on the list.
The following steppergames are the only ones on that list that could possibly support this game
SG380 has no support for a SS chip version VS11GX1 is all that is approved so I think this is the original Hook line and winner that Mike was playing It has no features like Sizzling 7's or Sizzling 7's Deluxe or any of that. It is just pure Hook line and Winner
SG84 DOES have support for a ss chip and can be a multidenom game but you must use it along with stepperbase 161 in order to pull the BGM
SG83 DOES have support for a ss chip and can be a multidenom game but you must use it along with stepperbase 161 in order to pull the BGM
So if you are trying to play a special game with Sizzling 7 deluxe or something like that, you will need to drop down to one of the StepperGames that support a SS chip and use it for the paytable I'm not sure what the difference is in SG84 and SG83 I don't have either one.
Also, the PSR for ATA10049 supports SG81 SG82 SG83 SG84 SG85 SG86 and SG87
I am also wondering if you used SB198 with SG 83/84 and a SS chip then it would line up the reel strips
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And I don't know what this high number ss chips are for.. anybody know??
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Chris, here is the information on my Bonus Spin Sizzling Seven game. It's an S+ series.
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=32207.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=32207.0)
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=32201.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=32201.0)
LJ93
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The Moderator should split this topic. Keep the WTB and move most to S2000/vision. Just my thoughts
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Chris...I only have one question at the moment I didn't mention in our correspondence....
When you say "Stepper game"...do you really mean the "BGM" CF flash card??
The PSR sheets refer to the BGMs as "Bonus Game Modules"
Just need to clarify your terms you're using.
I've heard of "Stepperbases" but not "Stepper games"
I know one thing...I don't have BGM00024...It's not even on the IGTMaster List.
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Damn Bunker, how many beers did you have at the country club today? SG chips, Stepper Game 1 & 2.
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oh! haha :duh: Wuz a long day RB!....lol
It was Chris' reply #26 that confused me... He states...>>> "StepperGAME 24"
Which I don't have either...oh well.. haha
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I am still not convienced that there isn't 2 versions of this game.. Here is the Nothing to Lose strips also. And we also know there is a Sizzling 7's version of Hook Line And Winner that exists (Mike has it) that match the Tee Time Sizzling 7's
I believe there is a set of stepperbases (probably 160/161) runs the Sizzling 7's version of Tee Time / Hook Line Winner with a BGM (NOT 58)
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a set of stepperbases (probably 158/159) that run the regular version of HLW/Tee Time/Nothing to lose with BGM 56,57,58
There is only 4 different % paybacks on 161 which is also odd! 198 has 8 different % paybacks! That to me is a clue. Why only 4 options??
I believe we may have the BGM that matches 158/159 and there is a BGM that we don't know about that runs with 160/161 for the Sizzling 7's Version.
I Just don't believe that IGT would print random reel strips with the sizzling 7's on it. There is something different. Why even print them if nothing was different???
The paytable for "nothing to lose" also matchs the paytables for Tee Time and HLW..
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Reel Strips (Nothing to Lose) on right
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First time I've ever seen the glass and strips for NTL.
What would be the strip numbers for that one?
I can add it to the Vision List.
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First time I've ever seen the glass and strips for NTL.
What would be the strip numbers for that one?
I can add it to the Vision List.
NTL = 84935200 x3
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NTL: https://youtu.be/ODNhfjvdx-E?list=RDODNhfjvdx-E :no:
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NTL = 84935200 x3
Perfect...thanks! Added!
NTL: https://youtu.be/ODNhfjvdx-E?list=RDODNhfjvdx-E (https://youtu.be/ODNhfjvdx-E?list=RDODNhfjvdx-E) :no:
I didn't add this tho! :rotfl:
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UPDATE:
I emailed Coushatta Casino and recieved the following message back. If anyone knows a licensed distributor or maybe can get ahold of a list of licensed distributors in Louisiana maybe we can track down these machines. They have been sold and are no longer at the casino. They ARE out there somewhere. I emailed him back asking if he happened to know who purchased the machines. I am awaiting a reply.
Chris
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Does it count if i make a new sb file?
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Looking back into this. Still never found but Got some info from a great source. This is ALL of the stepperbases that work with hook line and winner. I do believe that the SB000161 that we have has been tampered with and may have been changed and recalculated checksum info. These are the stepperbases that will work with H,L and Winner. PLEASE PLEASE check and see if anyone has any of them.
SB000160 2 coin
SB000161 3 coin
SB000256 2 coin
SB000257 3 coin
SB000471 3 coin
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Im almost willing to bet SB000161 goes with a different BGM that we unfortunately do not have. The BGM we have probably matches up to SB000256 and SB000257
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The errors i get when messing with 161 dont make any sense to be hlw. I can get the game to mostly boot than it gives an error that elvis.something is missing.
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The errors i get when messing with 161 dont make any sense to be hlw. I can get the game to mostly boot than it gives an error that elvis.something is missing.
It may have been tampered with. that list came directly off of IGT website :)
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The errors i get when messing with 161 dont make any sense to be hlw. I can get the game to mostly boot than it gives an error that elvis.something is missing.
It may have been tampered with. that list came directly off of IGT website :)
After I finish moving again i can look at making the custom chip again.
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I like the sound of "Custom Chip"
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SB000160 2 coin
SB000161 3 coin
SB000256 2 coin
SB000257 3 coin
SB000471 3 coin
What are the checksums of these five chips?
I don't have a problem fixing that to try?
Could be the reason why you're getting errors?
For example, using Algorithym "Checksum-16" with HxD editor, I get a CRC of "E15A" for SB000161.
I have no idea if that's what it's supposed to be or not.
See screenshot below...>>>
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I like the sound of "Custom Chip"
This could get interesting!!!!
Mike
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SB000160 2 coin
SB000161 3 coin
SB000256 2 coin
SB000257 3 coin
SB000471 3 coin
What are the checksums of these five chips?
I don't have a problem fixing that to try?
Could be the reason why you're getting errors?
For example, using Algorithym "Checksum-16" with HxD editor, I get a CRC of "E15A" for SB000161.
I have no idea if that's what it's supposed to be or not.
See screenshot below...>>>
Well if I had the eeproms I would tell you the checksum... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: