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**Video Poker, Keno, Slots, 21** Gaming machines => IGT AVP (Including G20,G23) => Topic started by: Yoeddy1 on February 03, 2023, 07:46:54 PM
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Hi guys,
If I have 1 660 CPU full of games, and I have a second 660 CPU that I want to install a bunch of different games on, can I merely swap the 2 CPUs in and out of the same machine?
Thanks,
Jason
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No. But if you swap the two eeproms on the backplane with it you can (at least with a G23v2). Just like 3902/044 mpu/eeprom swaps.
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No. But if you swap the two eeproms on the backplane with it you can (at least with a G23v2). Just like 3902/044 mpu/eeprom swaps.
Good to know, Cliff! Do you have a picture which EPROMs those are?
Thanks,
Jason
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No. But if you swap the two eeproms on the backplane with it you can (at least with a G23v2). Just like 3902/044 mpu/eeprom swaps.
Excellent info. I have a G20 though. I will have to look into that. It's a different backplane. I swap the brain box or just the SSD and clear safe storage only. Will get a processor mismatch if I swapped the bb, turn the key once to clear that. Keep cabinet memory intact and all the denom, sas, validation info is still there. Just have to enable the games after that.
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I'll take and post a couple of pictures tomorrow. The only machine I have is a G23v2, so I can't speak for other models. I do know there are differences between them though. The eeproms on the G23v2 that you swap out with the MPU is the cabinet memory. So when you swap from one to another all the statistics, credits, enabled games stay intact. Makes it nice not to have to re-enable 80+ games for sure.
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I'll take and post a couple of pictures tomorrow. The only machine I have is a G23v2, so I can't speak for other models. I do know there are differences between them though. The eeproms on the G23v2 that you swap out with the MPU is the cabinet memory. So when you swap from one to another all the statistics, credits, enabled games stay intact. Makes it nice not to have to re-enable 80+ games for sure.
Yeah, for sure. I did that with my Game King 044 all the time between Superstar Poker and Game King 6.x. Seconds to swap that chip on the backplane and MPU. Is there a location to verify if you have a G23v2?
Jason
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ID tag on the side of the machine? Mine shows G23V2 as the model on the tag. I've also heard if your cabinet controller (blackfin) board has a yellow handle it's a V2, but I don't know if that's acccurate or not.
Takes a bit longer on the G23 because of the additional cables and getting the damn brainbox all the way in. Mine hit's the rails about halfway in and I have to fight with it to get it the rest of the way in :banghead:
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Ok, here's some pictures of the EEPROMs on a G23V2. The part number is 25256E and it's installed in sockets U2 and U3 on the backplane. I marked mine 1 and 2, you can mark them however you like (top/bottom, upper/lower etc), but they both need to remain with the MPU that they were operating with and need to be installed in the correct location too. The 25256E is obsolete in a DIP8 package, so I got the SOIC-8 package and soldered it to a 8 pin SOIC/DIP adapter socket for the first set. I got those from Mouser or Digikey. After I knew that it would work I ordered some in a DIP-8 package from China on Ebay and waited for a couple of weeks for them. They're still available on Ebay. Like the 3902/044 backplane EEPROM it's a lot easier to remove and install the EEPROMs into the backplane by putting then in a socket.
I also remoted the telltale battery off of the cabinet controller board, so if it decides to leak it won't destroy the board. Without schematics it's difficult to come up with a mod that would allow us to remove it all together. It appears that the system not only monitors the battery voltage, but also the charging current. I tried using 3 AA batteries with a blocking diode to prevent it from trying to charge the alkaline batteries, but I still got a telltale battery tilt error.
I'd be interested to hear if the MPU/EEPROM swap can be done with other model AVP machines. I guess the price of 660 brainboxes will probably be going up now :24: :24:.
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Yeah, I definitely will be doing this. I’m thinking this would be a good idea to run Texas Hold Em since I think it is meant to be run standalone. I need to see that game in action. Never have played it, but I’ve heard it needs to be installed by itself.
Thanks,
Jason
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Unfortunately texas holdem is a lame game on avp IMHO.
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Unfortunately texas holdem is a lame game on avp IMHO.
Reminds me of Roulette on GK 8.3R. You think you want it but then it's underwhelming once you have it. Screw the GK packages that hog your NVRAM with too much single hand five card draw poker and keno that I never play. I do like the MM though. I just use the OS and MM then add the games that I want.
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How do you use the MM and not have all the poker games hog everything up? Also how many games about can I add without the GK hogging everything?
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Unfortunately texas holdem is a lame game on avp IMHO.
Reminds me of Roulette on GK 8.3R. You think you want it but then it's underwhelming once you have it. Screw the GK packages that hog your NVRAM with too much single hand five card draw poker and keno that I never play. I do like the MM though. I just use the OS and MM then add the games that I want.
MM???
Thanks,
Jason
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Unfortunately texas holdem is a lame game on avp IMHO.
Reminds me of Roulette on GK 8.3R. You think you want it but then it's underwhelming once you have it. Screw the GK packages that hog your NVRAM with too much single hand five card draw poker and keno that I never play. I do like the MM though. I just use the OS and MM then add the games that I want.
MM???
Thanks,
Jason
I think he is saying main menu?
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Yeah, I definitely will be doing this. I’m thinking this would be a good idea to run Texas Hold Em since I think it is meant to be run standalone. I need to see that game in action. Never have played it, but I’ve heard it needs to be installed by itself.
Thanks,
Jason
I have installed Holdem along side with other games. It played fine. Was rather bland however. Just playing aginst the dealer is kinda lame. That being said. I recently reinstalled it. Plays fine however this time the machine locks up when loading a different game after playing holdem. Only fix is power down and restart then what ever game was trying to load is loaded.
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Ok, here's some pictures of the EEPROMs on a G23V2. The part number is 25256E and it's installed in sockets U2 and U3 on the backplane. I marked mine 1 and 2, you can mark them however you like (top/bottom, upper/lower etc), but they both need to remain with the MPU that they were operating with and need to be installed in the correct location too. The 25256E is obsolete in a DIP8 package, so I got the SOIC-8 package and soldered it to a 8 pin SOIC/DIP adapter socket for the first set. I got those from Mouser or Digikey. After I knew that it would work I ordered some in a DIP-8 package from China on Ebay and waited for a couple of weeks for them. They're still available on Ebay. Like the 3902/044 backplane EEPROM it's a lot easier to remove and install the EEPROMs into the backplane by putting then in a socket.
I also remoted the telltale battery off of the cabinet controller board, so if it decides to leak it won't destroy the board. Without schematics it's difficult to come up with a mod that would allow us to remove it all together. It appears that the system not only monitors the battery voltage, but also the charging current. I tried using 3 AA batteries with a blocking diode to prevent it from trying to charge the alkaline batteries, but I still got a telltale battery tilt error.
I'd be interested to hear if the MPU/EEPROM swap can be done with other model AVP machines. I guess the price of 660 brainboxes will probably be going up now :24: :24:.
i have been watching this topic closely. The swapping EEPROMs like on the 044 is great. i looked at the backplane of my G23 and the EEPROMs 25256E are installed already. I did not know this. I have family 20 games installed now. I want to remove MPU and install my other MPU that as family 14 games. Both MPUs are 660. I assume from what is being said i can shut down family 20 remove MPU and remove the two 25256E EEPROMS, mark then for future use with family 20 MPU. I assume then i will install MPU family 14 games along with 2 new 25256E EEPROMS on backplane and machine will wright to them. Since there will be nothing on these 2 new EEPROMS, will i have to clear cabinet memory first? I am not real sure the order of things here so any help is appreciated. Thank you.
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The new ones for the Fam14 games will be blank, so you'll have to set it up.
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The new ones for the Fam14 games will be blank, so you'll have to set it up.
Set what up? Not sure what you mean. I am thinking (please correct me if i am off base) Put in family 14 MPU, put in new / blank EEPROMS at back plane. There are around 50 games installed already on the family 14 MPU. Once I have done that I am not real sure how to proceed. I am thinking when I switched out from family 14 MPU to family 20 MPU all I had to do was clear the upper cabinet memory then it worked just fine. I am finding myself not being sure how to proceed. Maybe just overthinking it...?
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The games will still be on the drive, but you will need to enable all of them again and setup progressives again if applicable. You are essentially wiping cabinet memory by installing blank eeproms.
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The games will still be on the drive, but you will need to enable all of them again and setup progressives again if applicable. You are essentially wiping cabinet memory by installing blank eeproms.
Thank you. Just to be clear: slide in family 14 MPU, make connections, install the 2 new blank EEPROMS, turn on machine. Will i need E7 key at this point to set up games? or should i boot with E7 or possibly diagnostics? or will machine just simply guide me when turned on...
Sorry if i am beating a dead horse but things dont seem so easy on these G23 sometimes.
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It's been a while since I've installed a blank set. Best I recall is I wiped the cabinet memory and NVRAM with Ekey 7 and Diag. Then when the machine booted I up went through the initial setup process and started enabling the games that were installed on the HDD.
The only difference between a new installation is I wasn't starting with a wiped HDD too, so I didn't have to install the OS or the games.
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It's been a while since I've installed a blank set. Best I recall is I wiped the cabinet memory and NVRAM with Ekey 7 and Diag. Then when the machine booted I up went through the initial setup process and started enabling the games that were installed on the HDD.
The only difference between a new installation is I wasn't starting with a wiped HDD too, so I didn't have to install the OS or the games.
yeah, thats the thing being it is some big time between doing this stuff I forget how it was done. I have finally started to write things down. I cant depend on memory...Will give it a shot and see what happens. I will write it down...Thanks for your help on this. I do appriciate it
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It's been a while since I've installed a blank set. Best I recall is I wiped the cabinet memory and NVRAM with Ekey 7 and Diag. Then when the machine booted I up went through the initial setup process and started enabling the games that were installed on the HDD.
The only difference between a new installation is I wasn't starting with a wiped HDD too, so I didn't have to install the OS or the games.
yeah, thats the thing being it is some big time between doing this stuff I forget how it was done. I have finally started to write things down. I cant depend on memory...Will give it a shot and see what happens. I will write it down...Thanks for your help on this. I do appriciate it
Oh boy, i been messing around on and off most of the day with my G23. I keep getting "Recoverable error' Cabinet memory error. I could not get to the Diagnostic key to work right. The volitile memory was grayed out. Finally, i inserted both 7key & Diagnostic key and volatile memory was not grayed. I thought great i got it now. No such luck. Keep getting a error when trying to clear upper cabinet memory. so, i looked closely at the eeproms that were in machine originally. The main number is the same but other numbers are different. i have no idea if this matters or not. Tired of messing with it. i think i will put the original EEOROMS back in and try to clear. May be a few days before i get back to it. what a pain!! Wish I was more in tune with these machines.
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Can you post pics of the EEPROMs you bought as an additional set for your machine?
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Can you post pics of the EEPROMs you bought as an additional set for your machine?
Yeah, i will take picts and post them. it seems this may be the issue. May be a day or two before i can get back to it. thanks for following this
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Can you post pics of the EEPROMs you bought as an additional set for your machine?
Here are a few Picts of EEPROMS
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Those look identical to the ones I've been using. Try using another pair from the batch. Sometimes these knockoff chips from China aren't the best quality.
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Those look identical to the ones I've been using. Try using another pair from the batch. Sometimes these knockoff chips from China aren't the best quality.
thanks for looking. i will try that.
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Those look identical to the ones I've been using. Try using another pair from the batch. Sometimes these knockoff chips from China aren't the best quality.
ok, finally was able to get a little time to get back to the beast. Tilt: You were spot on. When i replaced the two EEPROMS with new ones everything went very smooth. Thanks for your help on this.
ok, so now, if i were to pull the Family 14 MPU out along with the two EEPROMS, I can then install the Family 20
MPU with the two EEPROMS that were pulled with Family 20 MPU, fire up machine and all is good right? Ready to play!! Just like or similar to the 044 that folks were doing (me included).
Alright, the only other thing is Tilt, you talk about a socket to put the EEPROMS in. Those little EEPROMS are a bear to get in place properly. I can certainly see where a socket would help. Do you have a picture and / or serial# so i can get the proper one? I tried looking on Amazon but there is a lot of items there. I assume from what you are saying there is no soldering involved right? More so a plug and plug easy in / out of EEPROMS.
Tilt, i really do appreciate your help with this. This obviouslys makes changing out systems way easier. Thanks again. Awesome help my friend
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Glad to hear that took care of the problem for you :applause:
That's correct. Keep the two EEPROMs "married" to the MPU together and that's all it requires to seemlessly swap MPUs. Make sure you put them back in the same socket they came out of. Label them however you want Top/Bottom, 1/2, Upper/Lower, or use the U(X) designation on the backplane. Whatever works for you so you keep install them in the proper socket.
As far as the socket goes, here's a link to one from Digikey, but you can get them from many parts houses. No soldering. Just put the EEPROM in the socket, and then put the socket in the backplane.
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/amphenol-cs-fci/DILB8P-223TLF/4292069?s=N4IgTCBcDaICIEkAyAhAHABQLRjAZgBUkAxEAXQF8g (https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/amphenol-cs-fci/DILB8P-223TLF/4292069?s=N4IgTCBcDaICIEkAyAhAHABQLRjAZgBUkAxEAXQF8g)
Hope that helps.
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Glad to hear that took care of the problem for you :applause:
That's correct. Keep the two EEPROMs "married" to the MPU together and that's all it requires to seemlessly swap MPUs. Make sure you put them back in the same socket they came out of. Label them however you want Top/Bottom, 1/2, Upper/Lower, or use the U(X) designation on the backplane. Whatever works for you so you keep install them in the proper socket.
As far as the socket goes, here's a link to one from Digikey, but you can get them from many parts houses. No soldering. Just put the EEPROM in the socket, and then put the socket in the backplane.
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/amphenol-cs-fci/DILB8P-223TLF/4292069?s=N4IgTCBcDaICIEkAyAhAHABQLRjAZgBUkAxEAXQF8g (https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/amphenol-cs-fci/DILB8P-223TLF/4292069?s=N4IgTCBcDaICIEkAyAhAHABQLRjAZgBUkAxEAXQF8g)
Hope that helps.
yes, it does help. Thanks again for all your help. i got some ordered. this most certainly will help as i really like both the family 14 & family 20 games
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Ok, so I bagged the Family 20 project, and I’m going to stick with Family 14 for my G23. I now have 2 660 CPUs with the same 1TB SSD, both have dedicated video cards, and both have 4GB of RAM. I have a set of 2 backplane EEPROMs for each CPU. It works flawlessly. Power the game off, remove the 2 EEPROMs from the backplane for CPU A, and remove CPU A. Install the 2 EEPROMs on the backplane for CPU B, and install CPU B.
Up and running! Takes 10 minutes. It’s nice to have 2 completely different configurations with different games that can be swapped that fast.
Thanks,
Jason
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To quote Dire Straits, "That ain't working, that's the way you do it." Enjoy :cool_thumb_up:
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To quote Dire Straits, "That ain't working, that's the way you do it." Enjoy :cool_thumb_up:
Right you are, amigo!
Jason
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Ok, so I bagged the Family 20 project, and I’m going to stick with Family 14 for my G23. I now have 2 660 CPUs with the same 1TB SSD, both have dedicated video cards, and both have 4GB of RAM. I have a set of 2 backplane EEPROMs for each CPU. It works flawlessly. Power the game off, remove the 2 EEPROMs from the backplane for CPU A, and remove CPU A. Install the 2 EEPROMs on the backplane for CPU B, and install CPU B.
Up and running! Takes 10 minutes. It’s nice to have 2 completely different configurations with different games that can be swapped that fast.
Thanks,
Jason
May I ask what was wrong with running 20 on the G23? Curious because I'm about to get a second cabinet to run FAM20. I really want to jump to the a Crystal cabinet though.
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Ok, so I bagged the Family 20 project, and I’m going to stick with Family 14 for my G23. I now have 2 660 CPUs with the same 1TB SSD, both have dedicated video cards, and both have 4GB of RAM. I have a set of 2 backplane EEPROMs for each CPU. It works flawlessly. Power the game off, remove the 2 EEPROMs from the backplane for CPU A, and remove CPU A. Install the 2 EEPROMs on the backplane for CPU B, and install CPU B.
Up and running! Takes 10 minutes. It’s nice to have 2 completely different configurations with different games that can be swapped that fast.
Thanks,
Jason
May I ask what was wrong with running 20 on the G23? Curious because I'm about to get a second cabinet to run FAM20. I really want to jump to the a Crystal cabinet though.
The Fam20 games aren’t designed for the CPU and video card in a 660. Lobstermania 3 runs ok, but for an OCD guy like me, when I see choppy graphics and stuttering sound, it’s game over for me. I don’t want to have to talk myself into liking games that run like crap. Bottom line…those games are meant for the horsepower that a Crystal offers. But for some, it may not be a big deal.
Thanks,
Jason
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Ok, so I bagged the Family 20 project, and I’m going to stick with Family 14 for my G23. I now have 2 660 CPUs with the same 1TB SSD, both have dedicated video cards, and both have 4GB of RAM. I have a set of 2 backplane EEPROMs for each CPU. It works flawlessly. Power the game off, remove the 2 EEPROMs from the backplane for CPU A, and remove CPU A. Install the 2 EEPROMs on the backplane for CPU B, and install CPU B.
Up and running! Takes 10 minutes. It’s nice to have 2 completely different configurations with different games that can be swapped that fast.
Thanks,
Jason
May I ask what was wrong with running 20 on the G23? Curious because I'm about to get a second cabinet to run FAM20. I really want to jump to the a Crystal cabinet though.
The Fam20 games aren’t designed for the CPU and video card in a 660. Lobstermania 3 runs ok, but for an OCD guy like me, when I see choppy graphics and stuttering sound, it’s game over for me. I don’t want to have to talk myself into liking games that run like crap. Bottom line…those games are meant for the horsepower that a Crystal offers. But for some, it may not be a big deal.
Thanks,
Jason
You are correct Jason. A few of the games do react as you describe. The little I have noticed on my system (same as yours it looks like) It does not bother me. All in the eye of the beholder I suppose
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Glad to hear that took care of the problem for you :applause:
That's correct. Keep the two EEPROMs "married" to the MPU together and that's all it requires to seemlessly swap MPUs. Make sure you put them back in the same socket they came out of. Label them however you want Top/Bottom, 1/2, Upper/Lower, or use the U(X) designation on the backplane. Whatever works for you so you keep install them in the proper socket.
As far as the socket goes, here's a link to one from Digikey, but you can get them from many parts houses. No soldering. Just put the EEPROM in the socket, and then put the socket in the backplane.
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/amphenol-cs-fci/DILB8P-223TLF/4292069?s=N4IgTCBcDaICIEkAyAhAHABQLRjAZgBUkAxEAXQF8g (https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/amphenol-cs-fci/DILB8P-223TLF/4292069?s=N4IgTCBcDaICIEkAyAhAHABQLRjAZgBUkAxEAXQF8g)
Hope that helps.
Tilt, i received the sockets. I have the Family 20 cpu and eeproms set aside (running family 14 at time being) I put the family 20 eeproms in the sockets. My question is: How are you doing the sockets i.e. are the sockets changed out along with the eeproms each time or are the sockets always left in place or what? Thanks Tilt
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No. What I do is like you did with the family 20 eeproms. Put them in sockets and when you're ready to install them plug the whole thing into the backplane socket. So you have an eeprom in a socket plugged into backplane socket. That makes removal and installation much easier as you can do it by hand, no need to pry it out, and if you bend or break a pin you can just put the eeprom in a new socket.