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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: rickds on October 21, 2014, 02:48:57 PM
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So yesterday I was able to clear a 61-1 loop after replacing the on board battery a while back, using clear/set chips. It's an S+ Double Diamond 3 coin multiplier machine.
When I flip the switch to turn the machine on it goes through the startup routine and the reels spin and stop but then nothing. From what I understand the 'INSERT COIN' light should come on and should just work. If I do nothing then a couple seconds later the reels will spin/stop again. The only indicator lights that show up is a 0 in the coins played area. If I put a coin in the machine it just goes down into the tray.
I'm not really sure what to do here. I haven't read anything about needing to set everything up for it to work. I have a quarter in the coin comparitor and used the set chip to setup correct denomination and activate the DBV. In case lights are out and the comparitor wasn't working I tried putting a dollar in, though it appears something is stopping the bill from going through. I'm not sure though if it's some issue due to the game not being ready to be played or if there's just an issue with the DBV and comparitor and the coin indicator lights are out. Is there a setup routine that tests those or anyone give any other hints on what to do?
Thanks.
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Hs this machine ever operated correctly for you, or is the machine new to you?
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Door optics? Cash box door?
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I just tried one of my S+ machines. If I boot it up and don't close the door latch all the way (door optics) it maiden spins and then shows 0 and nothing else. A coin in just falls through. Something to check out. I think the cash door optics will do the same.
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Shaggy - I think you're on to something (as opposed to "on" something, like your ScoobyDoo character may reflect) :rotfl: ! I was kinda thinking the same thing earlier, but wasn't sure I wanted to go there just yet. I want to know if the machine has ever worked properly in his possession....so many times, a machine is bought , jacked up, that can have who knows what wrong with it! Owners/People WILL AND DO tinker, thinking they are doing a good thing, but only god knows what they REALLY do!
We've had butter knifes down a coin chute to clear a coin jam before (and that was blamed on the grandson, of course), so who REALLY knows what was done to "fix" the machine before it was finally sold...
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The machine is new to me (or well, my brother). He bought it from his father in law’s neighbor/friend who was moving. She said she had owned it for many years, but that she hadn’t played with it in a while. I don’t believe she ever messed with the machine other than clearing out the money. At one point she did mess with the comparitor, to get the quarter that was in there as she thought it had gotten jammed but inspecting the comparitor it appears fine and all cables plugged in (though I will give it another look later, it’s a DBV-200, that I know). It was sitting in her living room for a while so I suppose it’s completely possible someone may have messed with it during that time.
It’s possible the door optics are the issue, as I’ve fiddled with the cash box door and don’t think it’s the issue. There is a way to temporarily disable the door optics right? I believe I read somewhere a while back about unplugging something, later today I’ll try and check that out.
At least he got the machine somewhat cheap, as the lady lived in a smaller town and she really had nothing else to do with the machine since it was displaying the code 12 error for the battery at the time. So it’s not a major loss if we can’t get it working, but we still really hope we can figure it out.
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There is a posting on Sept. 7 from anit4771 about the door switch. 2 pages of info about door optics etc. Therockinelvis made a great example of how to check alignment for door optics with tape. It's a good read and might give you some pointers that will help. Good luck on your fix.
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You can see if your optics are even working by using a digital camera with a ccd sensor. The light glows and pulsates like this when viewed through the viewfinder.
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag116/rickhunter2/Mvi2029-1_zps4cd2a78b.mp4)
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You said you used the clear/set chips. I am guessing you changed the 9-0 to 9-1 to turn on DBV. Did you set the denomination next? 5, 10, 25, 50 ect. If it doesn't know the value it won't work. With the door open push the white button on the coin comparator then push spin reels to see if it works with door open.
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I'm going to need to mess with it some more tomorrow. I can say it's not the door optics, though.
When I would turn the machine on the reels would spin then stop near the 7s then sit there with a 0 on the credits played area. I'd then close the door and that number would disappear shortly and the light would come on for inserting a bill.
After I opened it and closed it again, though, I now have an error 41. I opened the door and closed it again to see if that would clear it, but instead the reels just spin and stop 4 times then give the error 41 again. I'm not really sure why it started as I literally did nothing but open and close the door, I hope it's not a bigger issue, but I don't see why else it would randomly start acting up like that.
I'm definitely not in the mood to mess with it tonight though. It seems like every time one thing is figured out something else pops up.
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41 is a reel tilt. Something is touching the reel to make it abnormal. The 1 means it is reel #1. If you don't see anything touching spin by hand with machine off and listen.
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I don't see anything touching it and don't hear anything when I spin it by hand. Same with any other reels.
I'm getting busy with other stuff, so the issue might be put on the back burner for a bit, so if I don't reply back sooner I haven't forgotten. Just haven't had time to get back to the machine to mess with it.
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Try putting reel 1 in reel 2 to see if problem follows the reel. May just need the plug removed and replaced a few times for a bad connection. You may be able to just switch the plugs from under them or if cable is too short move the reel too. If you then get 42 you know the reel is bad.
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When I would turn the machine on the reels would spin then stop near the 7s then sit there with a 0 on the credits played area. I'd then close the door and that number would disappear shortly and the light would come on for inserting a bill.
Your door optics are working properly, based on what you've posted here.
As Elvis said, try swapping reels 1 and 2 to see if the problem follows the reel (in which case you have a bad reel assembly), or stays at 41 (in which case you could have a problem with your MPU board if there isn't anything preventing reel 1 from spinning properly with the door closed). To remove the reels, turn the power off, then pull down on the molex connector on the underside of the reel shelf (they're a pain to remove most of the tine). With the molex connector unplugged, pull the bottom plastic of the reel assembly towards you. I'd remove the first (left) reel, set it aside, then remove the second (middle) reel, put it in the reel 1 position, then put the first one you removed into the middle position. The machine doesn't know or care if the reels are in the "correct" order -- so long as three reels are connected when it is turned on. Now see if the error follows the reel (42) or if the machine still thinks the error is on the 1st reel (41).
Check the wires for the fluorescent light that is above the reel glass -- over time the wires seem to get a little stretched, and then sag into the reels (usually the middle one, though) as the door closes.
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Sorry for the long delay. My brother got reels 1 and 2 switched and it gave the same 41 error. He ended up looking up some reset thing that involved hitting the test button and turning the jackpot reset key and whatever he did, it's back to the same loop as before. So to restate, turn on the machine and the reels spin and stop at the point where the reel paper is connected (right before the 7's). Coins played shows 0 and the dollar bill light is on as if ready, but no indicator to insert coins. The two lights on top of the machine are on, the top one is solid and the bottom one flashes.
We put a piece of paper to hold the coin diverter open and put a coin in but no change to credits played, while the coin goes into the hopper.
I wish I had as much knowledge about these things as I do computers.
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Try this. With the door open look at the coin comparator. You will see a little white button at the very bottom of it. Push that button. It should give you a credit each time you push it. Now with door still open push spin reels and let us know what happens.
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Try this. With the door open look at the coin comparator. You will see a little white button at the very bottom of it. Push that button. It should give you a credit each time you push it. Now with door still open push spin reels and let us know what happens.
Them you must buy your comparators from a different place than I do. I've yet seen a white button on one.
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Little button (white or black) is on the optic board just below the comparitor
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Sorry Buzz, I just saw my first black button Sunday. Thought normal was white. Not a Racial thing. Saw some boards made in Mexico, expected the sound simm to say Senior'
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Alright, when I push the white button (I looked for that button before but never found it, finally did today) it will add credits and the credits accepted light comes on. I hit spin reels and the game plays as normal. Put about 20 quarters into the hopper and hit a 15 credit winner and it correctly counted out the 15 quarters. If I hit a winner that pays more than the hopper the 3300 error pops up and clears when I close the door, then I can open it again and proceed to push the white button to add credits.
When I first turned the machine on today it gave a reel 41 error. Closing/opening the door would sometimes fix it, other times I'd have to switch reels or unplug and plug in the molex connectors. It kept constantly throwing back reel errors, sometimes turning the machine on the reels would stop correctly at the triple 7s then start spinning again only to hit a spot where they'd start/stop then spit back an error (either 43 or 41, never 42). After numerous times of messing with reels 1 and 2 I unplugged all molex plugs and took all three reels out, inspected them and put them back in. I made sure the molex connections were solid when I plugged them back in. Since then I haven't had any major reel errors. Every so often when turning the machine on the reels will stop, but they will either start spinning again and stop correctly or closing the door will fix the issue itself. So I'm holding out hope that at least that issue is resolved.
Thanks to everyone for sticking it out with me. At least we're getting somewhere and we know the machine works correctly. Just for whatever reason it doesn't want me to add coins for credits.
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OK, now that we see the machine is working with the door open. And not with the door closed? And you are sure you have the same type coin in the comparator that you are using? If your coins are just dropping straight through to the tray try turning the sensitivity to - minus. It's the little (white maybe) screw on right front of the comparator. Is the bill validator working to add credits? Are you able to play any games with the door closed? I just recently had a machine giving a 21 which is coin-in problem. Only problem is coin-in was bypassed. Ended up being the CMOS chip. Not saying that is your problem just saying these machines sometimes drive us crazy.
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At least we know you're door optics are working! If they weren't, you would not be seeing any change at all when you close the door. This is good, as door optics can be a PITA!
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At least we know you're door optics are working! If they weren't, you would not be seeing any change at all when you close the door. This is good, as door optics can be a PITA!
Can we get a pic or two of the inside of your door, mainly the coin comparator area? Sometimes we can spot something out of place. :yes:
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OK, now that we see the machine is working with the door open. And not with the door closed? And you are sure you have the same type coin in the comparator that you are using? If your coins are just dropping straight through to the tray try turning the sensitivity to - minus. It's the little (white maybe) screw on right front of the comparator. Is the bill validator working to add credits? Are you able to play any games with the door closed? I just recently had a machine giving a 21 which is coin-in problem. Only problem is coin-in was bypassed. Ended up being the CMOS chip. Not saying that is your problem just saying these machines sometimes drive us crazy.
This got us looking at the comparitor again. It only needed a little turn to be completely on the minus side so we turned it the hair bit until it wouldn't turn anymore, put in a newer quarter (a 1995 was in there) and ensured all connections were tight. And what do you know... COIN ACCEPTED.
So it appears we have the reels fixed and now it will actually accept coins. I feel dumb if the sensitivity knob just needed turned that final bit as I could have sworn I did that a while back when we had the 12 error for the battery.
There is still one issue, though. About the bill validator, it tries to accept a dollar but it gets stuck in the conveyor belt section and it appears two little hooks aren't allowing the dollar to be completely accepted. I'm posting two pictures showing the bill stuck in the machine with the latch open. You can see a torn edge of the dollar, that happened after I put it in the machine and it tried to force the dollar through but those hooks stopped it. There is also a video demonstrating the noise. The visual quality is crap as I emailed it to myself so the file needed to be small, but the audio comes out fine.
The 3 coins played showing is from a previous game (no actual credits ready to be played) but it has me wondering if it won't take the dollar because the machine won't let me store credits. When I put in quarters it will only accept the first three then reject any after that. I guess I'll be taking a look around online at different settings to see if this can be changed.
EDIT: I have an SP872 chip. I've found info on two other numbered chips but not sure if they will work so a little hesitant to try.
https://vid.me/AK8 (https://vid.me/AK8)
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The 3 coins played showing is from a previous game (no actual credits ready to be played) but it has me wondering if it won't take the dollar because the machine won't let me store credits. When I put in quarters it will only accept the first three then reject any after that.
What you described with the quarters is normal behavior. Most typical SP chips do not permit you to add additional coins beyond the maximum bet to store credits.
If the machine was rejecting the bill because of credit settings (ie. the bill would exceed the credit limit), it would take the bill in, pause, and then spit it back out, and you'd be able to do that all day long. It sounds like you have something physically wrong with your bill acceptor transport if it is damaging bills when they're inserted.
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I have found often on the 200's that the belts get creased like from sitting so much. I have been able to turn the gear by hand or remove and lubricate the shaft and sometimes get it working again. The gear I am referring to is on the left side of the unit.
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That's what I figured, that it just wouldn't accept the bill. Thought I'd ask just to make sure.
I wouldn't think it's a gear as the issue seems to be those metal hooks, but I'll mess with the gears and check the belts. When I open that latch the bill is always a little crunched up and damage where the hooks are so it looks like they just aren't moving out of the way. I'm assuming the gears you're talking about are the white ones at the middle-bottom of the two pictures?
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Yes the white ones in the middle. I have taken the gear off and taken that motor out to get it spinning freely. What unit do you have? A DBV200? Or WBA 12-13? The 200 is the only one I have taken apart. Dave at southern slots has a transport for $5. http://www.southernslots.com/dbv200-transport-on-sale/ (http://www.southernslots.com/dbv200-transport-on-sale/)
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It's the DBV-200. I took it out, lubricated those gears, sprayed it with air inside and out then cleaned off all the sensors on it and it appears to be working. It'll mostly take dollars, there's a few it will spit out if they aren't all that crisp. I imagine I need older fives, tens, fifties and hundreds for it to take those. It correctly puts the dollars to credits and allows me to cash out.
The only issue I have now is the reels. Occasionally they will show a 41/42/43 error which is almost always cleared by opening and closing the door. Rarely I will unplug and plug back in the molex connectors. I've air blown out the connectors and always make sure they are plugged all the way in. Nothing is hitting the reels and they don't make any abnormal noises. The machine can be played for like 30 minutes with no error then after turning it off then on again it will seem to have an error every other time coins are played.
UPDATE: This may be fixed completely. I had read on one thread about reel errors and someone mentioned using the clear chip, and I went against the comment from another user suggesting it isn't always suggested to do that. I figured I cleared it once I could do it again. So I went through that process, did the setup for the DBV and then cleared the 61/61-1 error.
First win after playing it gave me credits instead of quarters, then I cashed out and the next win gave me quarters instead of credit. Put two and two together and figured out how to store wins as credits. Won up to 200 credits and have been playing error free for maybe an hour. Not sure if maybe the board wasn't set completely in the connectors when I last put it in or something was screwy from messing around with the settings, but it looks like it's working correctly.
Thanks again to everyone who helped, some of the stuff seems obvious now but I'd still be lost without the feedback. I'll give an update a while later as to whether or not things are still working smoothly.