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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Bally Electromechanical => Topic started by: coincard on August 28, 2017, 06:41:49 PM
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Hi everyone,
I am new to this so I hope I do not screw up. I just purchased a Bally Model 1117 Monte Carlo and I can not find any information about this machine. I have only been able to find a couple of videos on youtube and nothing else, what gives ? this is my first slot and of course it will not run. the lights come on but it does not register coins but yet the pull handle light is on..
I have been trying to find schematics and or a user manual or something to get me started trying to figure this thing out, This machine is a 5 reel and it has reel lock buttons. If anyone has any info or can point me in the right direction I would truly appreciate it, or maybe you now someone in north Carolina that might be able to repair it...
Dave
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Hi Dave and welcome to New Life Games :wave: ..
Nice find.. I've been looking for one of these Bally's for my collection. Your not going to find a manual just for your game. Your best bet is to find or download a basic Bally EM manual. This will give the basic information on how they work. Most machine use the same basic operating system. The biggest things are to clean the beau plugs, these are the plugs that connect the hopper, reels etc to the cabinet. Then the white air cylinder on the right side of the reels. Then check the relays and blade switch contacts. Of course if this seems like a lot of work, I'd be interested in it.. :cool_thumb_up: :yes:
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Thank you very much for the information, I will find a basic manual and go from there. Would it be considered a 1000 series machine or is it in its own class? I have never done any work on one of these so its going to be a challenge, is this machine scarce ? and if so how would I find the right parts if I need some. Sorry for all the questions, and thanks, its like trying to read Greek when I look inside the thing
Dave
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They did make a . 1117 EM Monte Carlo machine for export to Denmark a few pictures would help us be certain what it is open the door and take a picture of the inside otherwise you'll just need the basic manual for the E M machine have you built a couple of hundred they get really easy to work on get us some pictures so we can identify for sure it is the machine in this picture I showed and we can talk you through almost any repair there are many people on here with a lot of knowledge
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My Monte Carlo has a 1166 tag on it from Dublin?
Fun machine to play, with the bonus rounds.
If you need any inside Pictures let me know.
Pics:
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What a cracker that is, I would say rare, nice one!
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Ok, I am going to try and add some pictures, here we go
Dave
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That is one beautiful machine it shows you are in the u.s. where did you find an export only machines have you plugged it in have someone rewired it for 1:10 it says on the tag 220 volt and please open the door and take a picture it is beautiful
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I bought this from a friend in New York city, He bought the contents of a house and this was one of the items in the house. I have plugged it in and all it does is light up, it will not take any coins and until recently the handle was stuck in the down position, I was able to figure out how to release that handle from some posts found here. From what I was told the original owner use to play this machine and it was suppose to work but it does not.
I have no experience working on EM games, I have several non working EM pinball machines that I have been tinkering with so I have some knowledge about coils and leaf switches but that is about it. I have noticed inside this machine that it has some what looks like tilt switches and they all appear to be bent over so they all are making contact, I will try and get some photos of those posted tomorrow.
I have seen where several people say that this machine is rare and if so I am not sure I am the one who should be trying to figure out how to fix it, I could do more harm than good, does anyone have any idea what this might be worth as it sits ?
Many thanks
Dave
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It is a beautiful machine as far as what it is worth not working not restored who knows you found the right person the sky may be the limit if you're tired of messing with it you're happy to get whatever you get out of it go to my Facebook page a year ago or so I posted some videos they will tell you more on basic troubleshooting and servicing that machine then I can on here I recently had some pretty serious health issues so I don't get on here as much as I would like to I would never let that machine go hell I would probably never let any machine go fix it you will learn as you go and it's a fine machine it will give you many years of pleasure anyway go to my Facebook page go down quite a ways there are two videos video 1 and video 2 the tech is amazing he's not a movie star he has a hellacious Lee bad sense of humor but he has one good text I have acquired over a hundred machines from him you will learn so much you will fall in love with these machines and next thing you know you will have 50 at your house
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I do love this machine, even though it does not work, I am going to look at some of the material on here and see where it takes me, thanks for your input and taking the time to reply, hope you get to feeling better,
God Bless
Dave
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Dave,
Jon is a great teacher when it comes to these machines. I've met him personally, and he even has one of my machines at his house for repairs. My friend Jeff picked up one of these here for $600 in non working condition. Feel free to give me a call if I can help you with this machine. I'm retired and tinker on machine to keep me busy. I'll send you a PM, ( private message ) with my phone number..
Gary
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A couple of thing you can do to test a machine.
You can simulate an inserted coin by using the coin in switch, see photo.
Also the handle release lever can be pulled to the front of the machine.
This will enable you to pull the handle to check the reel mechanism.
When machines sit for a long period of time the grease/lubricants will harden.
Thus causing the reels to not spin or not stop if they do spin.
Check all the cross shafts, bushings and parts under the reels for movement.
Shafts and bushings should spin freely, parts mounted on shafts should have some side to side movement.
This includes all self adjusting ratchet wheels.
Once the machine is moving, checking the rest of the machine will be easier to do.
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Thank you all for the information, I am going to start to check it out sometime over the weekend and will let you know what I find, once again thank you to everyone who has taken the time to help me figure this out...
Dave
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Hi Dave give me a call I'm scott Phone number 760-613-1080
You probably saw my videos on YouTube I go by ballyslots-ballyslots
I have 2 monte carlo games myself and I consider myself an expert on bally em export models I can help you get it going
I'm in the Chicago area
Also if you choose to sell your game
Please contact me I usually pay more $$ than the other guys
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Ok, finally had a chance to sit down and take a good look inside this puppy and it looks to me that the payout counter is missing (not sure where to find one of those), there are several cut wires and what looks like maybe some things missing in the upper cabinet. I got the handle to pull but not very easily and the reals do not spine, 4 of the 5 will spin by hand but the 5th one will not, I am going to remove the unit and see if maybe one of the reels are stuck in locked mode.
I did notice that the pull handle gears are covered in thick sticky grease, is it possible to remove the handle unit and spray it down with some brake cleaner and degrease it or is that to harsh?
I will have some photos to put up later tonight or Saturday after noon... thanks
In the mean time I bought a Bally V2000 Money Honey that is in working condition so I could have something to play for now, Would anyone happen to have a V2000 manual as i can not figure out how to turn down the volume and when it sits for awhile it plays some really crappy music really loud, any help would be great, Thanks again
Dave
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Hi Dave
if the hopper has wires sticking out and no wiper board you might have a big problem
I'm going to take pictures of my game so you can compare the two
Also your serial tag isn't correct
You have an Australian monte carlo
The tag should say
1117-1
Serial number should be between 1 - 150
Bally made monte carlo games for Australia with serial numbers between 1-150 denmark with danish glass with serial numbers between 151-300 and England with different pay schedule serial numbers 301 and up
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That would be great, I will watch for your photos, thanks
Dave
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Here's some pictures for you hope it helps
These are pictures of my game
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If you are having trouble give me a call or email me
Scottcindysammy@gmail.com
760-613-1080
I can send you pictures of all the wires and parts inside a monte carlo
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Thank you everyone for your reply's, I checked my hopper and it does have the wiper board and everything looks good from what i can tell, I pulled the reel unit out and nothing inside looks burn or broken wires but everything moves very sloooowly, it is all covered in gummed up grease or oil its thick and you can see it sticking to the springs and gears, can I hose the thing down with brake cleaner and remove all that old goo ?? or will it damage the finger boards or coils, Scott I will call you, how late is to late, its 9 PM here... I am working on getting some photos posted and will have them on in 20 minutes or so....
Dave
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Ok here are some photos of what i have found that looks broken or missing, the first is what i think is a missing payout counter on the upper door, the second is a broken wire below the coin mech on the lower door, the others are what look like clipped wires with possibly some missing parts, more photos in a few
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Here are some more, the first picture is another view of pic 4 that I just posted it looks like tilt switches that have all been bent, the next is inside the cabinet along the wall in the back above the pull handle where some wire have been soldiered, and 2 are the hopper unit, and the last is the gunk inside the reel housing, more to come
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The volume control on your V2000 Money Honey, you should see 2 small adjustments pot or knobs on your machines 3 boards stack inside under the monitor. One is for the left volume, the or is for the right. You might have to turn them up and down a couple times to clean there contacts.
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The red and blue wires in the top behind the feature unit went to the bell
The broken wire at the bottom left corner of the door goes to the switch there that would count the coin overflow
The 3 wires at the top left corner of the door go to the coins dispensed meter
Non of those will stop the game from working
Just put a piece of heat shrink over the ends so you don't have shorts
Good pictures!
Scott
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I'm in Chicago I don't know where you are if you're east coast your 1 hour ahead mountain time 1 hour behind west coast 2 hours behind
Feel free to call me between 9am to 9 pm
Please not after that my children are 1-1/2 and 4 we try to keep it quite after 9 pm after 9 pm I text
Scott
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Ok, I managed to get the reels freed up and they now spin when you push the plunger when the reel mech is out of the machine however the plunger or what ever its called does not return to its normal position to trip the switch which I believe is the handle release switch ( photos 1 & 2 ) it takes several minutes to retreat and even then not far enough to trip the switch most of the time...
I am also not getting any power to the coin diverter coils in and below the coin mech as it will not accept coins ( photos 3 ) and
I also noticed that the florescent light that lights the reels is missing, there is a white plug on the upper right corner of the door and again those loose wires in the upper left corner where the coin payout counter should have been there is no other white plug there.
Also should the tilt leaf switches in the upper cabinet normally be open or closed circuits ? ) Pictured in a post a few messages back...
The last thing I noticed was the ratchet on the other side of the reel mech ( photo 5 ) is missing the lever that causes it to ratchet and change the stopping of the reels at different intervals, instead of the lever there is a wire wrapped around it, any idea where I can get one of those levers and the clip that holds it on ?
I know some of this is trivial until I actually get the game running but I am just trying to get things lined up....
Thanks
Dave
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Remove the white air cylinder by removing the E-Clip and pin on the switch end.. Remove the clip facing you then push the pin out to remove.. Next remove the 4 screws holding the air cylinder to the reels.. Now you need to pull it apart.. Inside your going to find a rubber cup that has become sticky almost to a tar.. You need to remove what's left of the old seal and clean up the parts.. The cup seal is not needed, or even available, although people have made replacement.. I just apply a very small amount of a light grease on the piston then reassemble and install..
As for your missing light, I'm sure we can you one.. Now for the ratchet, you are missing the lever that advances the ratchet. It's not necessary to operate the machine, and another part that can be found.. Is the coin diverter open with the hopper installed? It will be open if the hopper is removed.. You need to check and clean the hopper and reels beau plugs. They are tin plated and tarnish, then loose the connection to the cabinet..
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From the photos the machine appears to be in a very clean condition.
When cleaning the air cylinder, take note when removing the piston from the cylinder. The pin that holds the J bar linkage to the piston may fall out. Also ther're 2 small spacers one either side of the piston wrist pin. Wearing latex gloves when cleaning the decomposed rubber from the piston will save a lot of time trying to remove this black stuff from your fingers. Re lube with a light grease and a little oil in the cylinder.
Lubriplate works well as it seems to never dry up. Been using grease from this can for over 40 years, it just turns a little yellow. See photo.
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One quick note. Don't over live the air cylinders piston, or you will end up with a greasy spot on the back wall. It will get forced out thru the small vent hole in the bottom of the white cylinder. I made this mistake once.. Never again.
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Thanks for the info, got it cleaned and greased and the piston now works like it should, not onto cleaning the contacts, thanks again
Dave
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Scott,
Its late and i am not good at texting so this is easier, if you get a chance could I get a photo of the coil relays in the upper cabinet, should be the second from the right on the front row and is labeled Stop- Anti Cheat, all of these are closed and the relay is engaged but when it is disengaged they are all still closed, somethings not right on that relay.
I adjusted the tilt switches in the upper cabinet so they are all normally closed, then I cleaned the hopper contacts, and the reel mech contacts and wiper arms, I put them back in the machine and right away I could hear the coin mech relays kick in, the insert coin light was on and when I put a coin in it registered and allowed me to pull the handle. The reel mech worked as it should except I did not have the reels back in it. After several times of spinning with no reels I pulled the mech back out and installed the reels, I then started cleaning the contacts in the upper cabinet.
After that I fired it up and nothing but lights again, however the diverter relay in the coin mech is engaged but it will not accept any coins and the insert coin light is not on any more. So I had it sorta working and then I screwed something up again...
BOOO BOOO
Dave
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This happens frequently when cleaning these old machines. Its after the fact now, but when cleaning a machine Its best to clean one stack of switches at a time. And or one mechanical adjustment at a time. Thus making it easier to retrace the adjustment. Before you get back into the machine try moving the hopper in and out with some pressure from side to side. Only 1/8 of an inch movement, this may cause better contact with the beau plug sockets and pins. You can also try this on the reel mechanism.
Also you can check the coin relay by pushing the coin in switch wire down. Push down slowly and listen for the relay to unlatch. Relay is located very bottom left side of the reel mechanism. The switch also controls the handle release. This happens when the wire returns to its normal position and you should hear the handle release / unlatch.
Myself, I would try moving the hopper and reel mechanism as mentioned.
Then meter out the coin relay contacts for continuity in the latched and unlatch positions.
Its best to test contacts for continuity with the meter probes at the very bottom of the blades as possible.
This will avoid any false reading that could happen with pressure from the probes.
If the contact is closed and there is no continuity then move one probe to the contact portion of the blade and push it towards its mate. The results should give an indication of what might need to be cleaned and or adjusted.
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Interesting development tonight, I powered the machine up and the insert coin light is on but a coin does not register when deposited, I opened the door and manually tripped the handle lock and spun the reels, they spun great but I noticed that the reels were not locked in there cradle so with the power still on I pulled the reel mech out and locked the reels into there cradle and slid it back into place, when I closed the door I noticed the pull handle was now lit, I pulled the handle and the reels did there thing, but when I put another coin in I got nothing again...
I also was poking around inside the upper cabinet and I started manually tripping coils and I tripped the super jack pot coil and the thing started spitting quarters out, so many they were spilling out, I had to shut it off, So I know know that the hopper unit is capable of paying out. Where should I start looking as to why a coin will not register ?
This is my first EM and I am in over my head, a schematic would be a big help if anyone has one for a 1117, I love this machine but am getting frustrated and thinking of selling or trading it off, don't really want to let it go but I really do not need a 250 pound night light either....
Thank you for letting me vent, I appreciate any and all help
Dave
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I'll keep trying to help you Dave
Scott
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Great you're making progress.
At this point I would check the coin in switch for power. From the yellow wire to any solid blue wire ie the lights have a solid blue.
There should be a reading around 6 to 7 volts on the AC setting. Hopefully you will get a reading.
Now if you jump the Yellow wire on the switch to the Blue-Yellow wire on the switch, it should activate the coin relay coil.
Thus producing a mechanical click sound, bottom left, rear of the reel mechanism.
If this happens the coin relay switch is now set to release the handle. The other wire Orange-Green sends the current to the Handle Release,
but there are a few switch contacts between the coin switch and the actual handle release. If these are dirty on not engaged the handle won't release. Assuming the coin relay has fired. You can test the Handle release circuit by jumping the Yellow wire to the Orange-Green wire. This should release the handle.
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Thank you for the info, I turned the thing on tonight and when I dropped a quarter in the pull handle light came on and the handle pulled and the reels spun like they were suppose to. It started taking coins and working, I opened the door and had my wife help me stop on a pay line and we stopped it on blue hats which turned on the roulette wheel bonus but it just kept spinning, we then played about 20.00 worth until I hit a single cherry which should have payed 2 coins but it did not. I know the hopper works because if I trip the super jackpot relay the thing will spit out hundreds of quarters.
I also noticed that every once in a while it would not register a coin, it would take 2-3 coins before it would register, also some times when you pull the handle it will not spring back from the down position and will not spin the reels...
what do you guys think ? should I try and clean more contacts and see if some of these problems clear up ? or do I need to look at something other than contact switches...
Thanks
Dave
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Ok, tried it again I stopped it on the blue hats which triggers the bonus roulette and after putting the back glass back it I could see what was going on, I think it works like this, you get the bonus feature for the next 10 spins, it will stop on anywhere fro 10 to 50 coins if during the next 10 spins you land on the roulette symbol the spinner will stop on a number and that is what you win, you can win multiple times but it only pays the highest amount which is 50, so say you hit 10 the first time you can hit on additional spins up to a total of 50 coins, if you hit 50 on the first hit then you can not win anymore however the feature continues to run until the 10 spins are counted down.
Ok, at least that is how I think it works, I hit for 50 on the second spin and the thing started spitting out coins, way more than 50 coins, so many the coin tray was over flowing and I had to turn the machine off. After I started the machine up again after 10.00 worth of quarters I hit double cherry and it should have paid but it did not...
Thanks
Dave
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Okay, sounds like the machine is starting to loosen up the more you play it.
Seems like the coin switch and handle release circuits are fine. Re; the coin switch, make sure the trip wire is completely free to move without rubbing the surrounding metal mechanism.
As for the handle staying down. It maybe traveling to far before the reels kick. Will send some information with a photo on an adjustment you can make to get the reels to kick a little sooner.
As for the payouts, try setting up some payouts by stopping the clock and holding the reels on a payout. Then let the clock go. Try this on a few different payouts.
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David,
Stopped it on several different payouts and it did not pay...
Dave
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Maybe need clean the following contacts / switches.
First the reset relay(s) on the odds unit in the top of the machine. They maybe stacked up like the photo attached.
Next the Payout relay switches located on the top of the hopper left rear.
Check to see if the coil has the return tension spring. - Check all coils for tension spring as you inspect and or clean the machine.
Also the payout step up contact and corresponding metal receiver strips.
Both the Payout relay and Payout step up unit are located on the hopper.
(Unless this machine has a remote Payout Step up Unit) Which are usually located bottom right corner of the machine.
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I want to thank everyone who helped me work on this, I have learned a lot and I appreciate all the help. I have since traded this machine off and am looking forward to my next project. once again many thanks
Dave
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David I hope your enjoying your new games and please keep in touch
Scott
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Scott, I hope that you got it to add to your collection.
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I've already got it restored and in perfect working condition I'm friends with another collector
He's been looking for one of these
I'm hoping to trade him for a couple of games he has that I want, if not that's ok with me I will have 3 of these in my collection
Maybe I'll make one a 5c another 10c and a 25c
This machine is actually a danish game with australian glass so it's in English
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That's good to hear. What it all there, just tampered with by people thru out the years that didn't know about those machines?
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It was missing a few small parts
The inside left side reel mech beau plug was broken
There were pins pushed out
There were a lot of relays that needed to be adjusted and polished
All the usual things that needed to be done
For somebody like me with 20 plus years experience it was easy
I'm guessing it's also that way for you
I'm trying to be a nice guy and help some of these people that come to this site for information and help
I remember 20 years back when I didn't know what I was doing, I had to figure it out the hard way. There wasn't any people that would help
My first bally em slot was a super continental it took me more than a month to get it to barely work. Now it takes me hours at the most
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I'm the same way. My first slot was a Money Honey. I bought it and was told the hopper was dirty and needed to be cleaned and adjusted. It too me Omer a year to get it fixed. I checked and check relays and wiring. It would spit out 18 coins every time you pulled the handle. I finally found a pinched wire between the hopper beau plug and the mounting bracket. Once fixed the game worked perfect! I was hooked after that. I found NLG about half way thru the repair. I've been here ever since. I keep looking for machines like you have up here, but no luck so far. A friend of mine found a Monta Carlo and got it working. It had a broken reel wiper finger. He soldered it back together and it works great after a good cleaning and oiling. Maybe some day I'll find something to go with my Metalist.