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Bill Validators, Currency Acceptors and Printers => JCM DBV-45, DBV-145, and DBV-200 Bill Validators => Topic started by: Amechanic on July 09, 2015, 06:43:58 PM
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Well after taking about 8 screws loose on my CDS Video Poker I was finally able to get the head off my DBV200.. Now my next question is how far do I need to tear it down to clean it? Lost thing I need is to have a spring or spacer go flying.
I see the 2 sets of dip switches on the bottom. Every one is turned off. This thing refused to take any money, even singles. The software sticker says
DBV-200-SH
ID 004/BAR
V.2.02-04(8071)
I want to clean the optics, rollers, belts, etc.. What screw need to come out?
I've attached a few pics of it in the CDS, and the DBV200 head.
Thanks, Gary
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Ok.. Well I figured out how to get to the optics after taking a couple wrong screws out. The four flat spring loaded rollers look to be the dirtiest things. Can anyone tell me how far out of date is the software version I have. Like I said it wouldn't even take singles?
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Hmmm...CDS haven't been in casinos for awhile now. Let me do some digging and see if I can find anything for you. I'm sure JCM's site would give you answers quicker than I can.
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According to the JCM website the last software release (meaning the newest one) for the DBV-200 with your id protocol (ID-004/BAR) came out Sept 15, 2005, it is ver 2.60-05.
Your current software looks to be from 2004, only a year earlier but they had 12 software releases in that time. That might have been back when a lot of US bills were getting redesigned or they may have had to issue other software fixes for improvements.
The $1 bill should always work in the DBV-200, no matter what software it has, since that bill was not redesigned. So when testing a bill validator the $1 bill is a good one to use.
When you say it is not taking any bills do you mean it won't even pull the bill in, or that it does pull the bill in and then rejects it back out? If it is the second situation then that often means the bill is a newer style bill not recognized by the DBV software. If you are not able to get the DBV head to work you can replace it with any other working DBV-200, will just need to swap your DBV eprom into the replacement DBV head. Used DBV-200 heads are often for sale at less than $15-$20.
Also, when you turn the machine on the DBV will get powered up and should make noises as it does its initialization routine for several seconds. If you don't hear it making any sounds when powered up then make sure it is getting power, which is connected on the left side of the DBV when you are looking at it from the front. There is a motor inside the DBV head and another one in the transport mechanism, both should run when it is first powered up and that's the sounds you will hear.
I think all the DBV-200 switches being in the OFF position is correct.
Here is the JCM software document for the last release they issued:
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For what it is worth, here is a later release.
Edit: That software is for the ID-023 and Amechanic needs ID-004/BAR, unless they are compatible?
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When you say it is not taking any bills do you mean it won't even pull the bill in, or that it does pull the bill in and then rejects it back out? If it is the second situation then that often means the bill is a newer style bill not recognized by the DBV software. If you are not able to get the DBV head to work you can replace it with any other working DBV-200, will just need to swap your DBV eprom into the replacement DBV head. Used DBV-200 heads are often for sale at less than $15-$20.
This DBV-200 does take the $1 bills all the way in, then rejects them.. I did try to insert then in all four directions, but had the same results. The DBV is cycling on start up and when latched closed as from if you just emptied the cash can. You mention swapping the EPROM if I want to try another DBV-200 head. I do not see an EPROM on the board underneath. It has the style where its soldered to the board. I'd be happy just to get it to take singles.. I just finished cleaning the belts, and rollers, and any sensers. I'm waiting for a phone call now to see if I can get this one flashed with the latest and last software up grade.
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I read somewhere that you can set one of the DBV-200 switches to a different position and it puts the DBV head into "Test" mode when it powers up. You do this without the transport transport mechanism connected or mated. I think it is covered in a JCM document. That type of test is a way you can see of the problem is in the DBV head or in the transport. I think that after setting the switch to the test position you just plug in the power cable to the DBV head and power it up. After it initializes you insert the $1 bill to see if it passes thru the head and out the back. I've never done that but it makes sense, maybe others here have heard or done this and can add some info.
Now that you mentioned it I remember that some of the newer DBV-200 had the flash type eprom. In fact there was a mod that Clay (?) and some others did to convert those type DBV-200 heads so that it would accept the standard eprom. Essentially they just carefully cut each leg of the flash erpom chip and removed it. Then they soldered in a thin profile socket or socket strips to the holes that were already in the board (it was made to work with either a socket or a flash eprom). But since you may only be upgrading it once to whatever the last software release was it may make more sense to have it flashed by someone.
EDIT- here is the JCM document with instructions for that way I mentioned to test the DBV-200 head by itself, look on page 8. It is dipswitch #6 on the smaller dipswitch bank that is changed. This document also has some other good info about cleaning and diagnostics.
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For what it is worth, here is a later release.
Ron,
That software is for the ID-023 and Amechanic needs ID-004/BAR, unless they are compatible?
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I have a question. Is the ID. 004/BAR the correct version of software for a CDS Video Poker model UV-1510 mfd of 06/96? I have someone locally that can flash thrush DBV-200 head. I'm just wondering because I figure it originally had a DBV-145..
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I dintnthinkit mattered what it went into, the software is the software.
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I dintnthinkit mattered what it went into, the software is the software.
I understand that, but my concern is that someone before me, tried to fix the bill acceptor with a new head, but didn't have one with the correct software for CDS.. I'd just like to know if the ID 004/BAR is the code for a CDS video Poker? If it is, then I'd like to find a copy of the last up grade for this DBV-200 for the CDS machine I have. I'm pretty stupid when it comes to electronics, but I am learning.
Gary
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Ibe actually never heard if an ID004, until your post. Typically, the CDS machines would require an ID003? Sorry I don't have more info, your situation is somewhat unique, as ou have a very early CDS, with a very early DBV.
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I dintnthinkit mattered what it went into, the software is the software.
I understand that, but my concern is that someone before me, tried to fix the bill acceptor with a new head, but didn't have one with the correct software for CDS.. I'd just like to know if the ID 004/BAR is the code for a CDS video Poker? If it is, then I'd like to find a copy of the last up grade for this DBV-200 for the CDS machine I have. I'm pretty stupid when it comes to electronics, but I am learning.
Gary
According to page 11 of that JCM DBV-200 document I posted in reply #6 it says ID-004/BAR is for the CDS machines. However ID-003 is used on the WBA model of bill validators for CDS machines (see attached). Maybe that is where some of the confusion is coming from.
As you know, each gaming company has their own proprietary software communication method that is used by the slot machine to communicate to the bill validator. The controller board (MPU board) in the slot machine expects the communication data to be in a format it understands, so if you use a DBV model bill validator with IGT or other mfr software protocol in a CDS machine it won't work. Also, the software was written by JCM to be used on specific models of bill validators. I'm pretty sure you can't use software for a DBV-145 in a DBV-200, even if it is the same ID protocol, because there are hardware differences between the heads such as number and placement of optical sensors and memory size of the eprom. That's why JCM had to release 2 different softwares for both the DBV-145 and DBV-200 while both were still being supported. And that's why the first line in the JCM software information sheet says the model name of the bill validator (see attached). In this case it says DBV-200-SH, doesn't list any other models.
I think cowboygames and others are more familiar with this situation, maybe they can help clear up things. Also, if someone out there has a similar CDS machine they can say what software protocol is in their bill validator.
Here's page 11 showing the different software ID's for the different slot companies. Notice it does say that ID-004/BAR is for CDS machines. I've also attached an expanded software protocol list from JCM, notice that the WBA bill validators have some differences from what the DBV models used.
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Thanks Rokgpsman for your help.. I will look it to it more in detail in the morning. The one thing that has me a little confused now is the fact that you say that the DBV-145 & DBV-200 heads are not interchangeable because of different softwares used between them. From what I've heard here over the past years was that they were the same, and could be just swapped out? This is where Buzz would be calling me a dumb ass... If this is true then it might explain why in my menu under Bill Valadator it still list my acceptor as a DBV-145, is the machine not accepting the DBV-200 head? I don't see any way to change the information in the machine set up section?
Like I said I will check into it more tomorrow and get back here with my findings..
Thanks Gary
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The DBV-145 and -200 heads are interchangeable, as long as their software is the right id protocol for that machine, which is -004/BAR in this case. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.
What I meant earlier was the software itself is not interchangeable between the two models - you can't put DBV-145 software into a DBV-200. It sounded like this thread was going in that direction and I don't think that is correct. But yes the heads themselves can be swapped around. If you had a DBV-145 with ID-004/BAR software you could install it into your machine. Or another DBV-200 with ID-004/BAR. As far as I know any slot machine that had a DBV-145 could be upgraded to a DBV-200, just had to get a DBV-200 with software of the correct ID protocol. And if your DBV-200 had an eprom you could remove it and install it into any other working DBV-200 and it should work in your machine.
But I don't think you can take software written for the DBV-145 and put it into a DBV-200 (or vice-versa). Each model of bill validator has its own software since the DBV-200 head has more optical sensors, that's why the bill can be inserted into a DBV-200 upside down or turned either direction (4-way acceptance). The older DBV-145 had fewer sensors so you have to insert the bill one specific way.
So yes you can use the DBV-200 and it is preferable to the DBV-145. It is a newer device so it will have software available that is newer than what the older DBV-145 had. And like Buzz used to say frequently the DBV-145 was less reliable then the DBV-200.
I was hoping your DBV-200 head had an eprom you could remove and put into another DBV-200 head. Did you think the DBV-200 ever worked, or the previous owner gave up on getting it to work?
Since you can't get it to accept a $1 bill I'm not sure your problem is software, something else could be causing the bill to get rejected. Does your machine have a setting for what bills the machine will take and somehow it has all bill denominations disabled? Does you machine have a credit limit or other setting that is set so low it won't allow the bill to be accepted? Is the transport and stacker mechanism working, if not it may cause the bill to be rejected since it can't be processed.
I don't think your machine setup screen showing the bill validator as a DBV-145 is a problem since they are compatible models. But I don't have a manual for your machine so that is what I call an educated guess on my part and could be wrong.
Sometimes I know just enough to be dangerous, so before you go too far on this let's give cowboygames and other experts a chance to weigh in with advice and suggestions. I don't want you going to a lot of trouble and expense needlessly.
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Ok thanks for helping me clear this up. I don't have any history about the repairs or up grade made on the machine. It would accept coins when I bought it. I don't get any keys with it also, just dropped $40 to have keys made for both reset and programming locks. I have everything working as it should except the bill valadator now.
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Let's see what others can add to this and maybe someone out there is familiar with this machine. It might be hard to locate the software unless someone happens to have a similar machine with working DBV-200. If they do, and theirs has an eprom you should be able to get the software from them and put it into a good used DBV-200. Or if lucky someone will have a DBV-200 for sale with that id protocol. If the place you are considering to do software update on your DBV can also test and do repairs that might be an option depending on cost.
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Well I just finished putting the bill valadator back together. I had a little trouble getting some screws to line back up, but after a few dropped screws and a few choice works said it went back together.. I need to remember to take more pictures, had a heck of a time figuring out how the one bracket went back on..
I powered it up, and it cycled, but it still will not even take a single dollar bill.. I went back into my menus and rechecked the valadator setting, check for a max payout, that set at 1000 coins, but other then those, I'm not sure what to try next? I've had not luck surfing the net looking for the correct UV-1510 manual.
Question.. Can I go to JCM a down load the last up date for the DBV-200 with the ID-004/BAR for this CDS Video Poker? I was thinking of trying a different DBV-200 head to see if that my problem? I think that even if I can only get it to take single, I could live with that.
Gary
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Well I just finished putting the bill valadator back together. I had a little trouble getting some screws to line back up, but after a few dropped screws and a few choice works said it went back together.. I need to remember to take more pictures, had a heck of a time figuring out how the one bracket went back on..
I powered it up, and it cycled, but it still will not even take a single dollar bill.. I went back into my menus and rechecked the valadator setting, check for a max payout, that set at 1000 coins, but other then those, I'm not sure what to try next? I've had not luck surfing the net looking for the correct UV-1510 manual.
Question.. Can I go to JCM a down load the last up date for the DBV-200 with the ID-004/BAR for this CDS Video Poker? I was thinking of trying a different DBV-200 head to see if that my problem? I think that even if I can only get it to take single, I could live with that.
Gary
I wish we could download the software from the JCM website but when I checked on it several months ago they told me that only their authorized dealers could access their website files. So for hobbyists that probably means finding someone with a similar CDS machine and getting them to help with it. Or maybe one of the vendors here can provide the software. At one time there was a NLG member here that worked or did work for JCM, I think his username was something like JCMtech. But I don't know if he could help with the software. It would seem like there would be someone out there with a similar machine and they could help with the CDS software from their DBV but maybe those machines really are scarce, or people just use coins in their machines.
To me, you won't know for sure if the problem is your DBV-200 head unless you swap it out. It is good to run down all the other possibilities that can be thought of, just to eliminate other things that could be causing the problem, but after that you get to swapping parts that might be bad. If you can borrow a good DBV-200 head from another machine, or buy one low cost, then get the CDS software into it, then that would be what I'd do. I can't think of another thing that is easier to try that you haven't done already, but I'm not familiar on your machine and could be missing something to try.
If your DBV-200 head was the eprom style you could send it to me and I could put my WMS eprom into it and try it in my machine to see if it works. But since it is flash memory style I can't do any of that.
I've looked for a DBV-145 or -200 head for sale that has the CDS software in it but no luck so far.
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Gary, there is several optics on the transport. Some may be very small thin slots and need cleaned with a thin cloth like a bed sheet. Trace the wires to each sender and receiver to find them.
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Have you had a chance to get into the machine's setup menu and make sure the machine is set to accept the different denomination of bills? If the bills are set to "disabled" the machine will cause the DBV to reject them. The manual that Tilt sent to you has instructions on how to enter the menu system and then go to the Bill Validator Configuration screen. The different settings are changed by using the front panel buttons that normally are used to play the game.
Here is a portion of the page in the manual covering the Bill Validator Configuration screen:
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Well let me try this again.. i orginally posted in my CDS wont coin post..
I went into the menu today and looked around.. I found the communication test, but I wasn't sure what to do? I took a couple pictures of different screens. One show some numbers under bill valadator. I can clear the numbers to zero, but start growing right away again. The other screen shows configuration, and current settings. It shows its set as a quarter machine, but under bill validator its showing a $0 for 0 credits?
I do not see a way to make any changes? I'm thinking of pulling the MPU out and taking to battery out. I think this is the only way to totally start over?
I know when I tried inserting a dollar bill in test mode I was getting a dirrection error? I thought the DBV-200 would read from any dirrection?
I don't remember seeing that menu page today?
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Gary, there is several optics on the transport. Some may be very small thin slots and need cleaned with a thin cloth like a bed sheet. Trace the wires to each sender and receiver to find them.
Tim.. I took a quick look today and didn't see any optics in my transport?
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Have you had a chance to get into the machine's setup menu and make sure the machine is set to accept the different denomination of bills? If the bills are set to "disabled" the machine will cause the DBV to reject them. The manual that Tilt sent to you has instructions on how to enter the menu system and then go to the Bill Validator Configuration screen. The different settings are changed by using the front panel buttons that normally are used to play the game.
Here is a portion of the page in the manual covering the Bill Validator Configuration screen:
I went into the Bill Validator Configuration section, and This machine doesn't display that page..
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I went into the Bill Validator Configuration section, and This machine doesn't display that page..
ok, probably due to a difference between your UV-1510 and the UV-1910 that manual covers. Your menu system setup screens should show somewhere what bills are enabled that the validator is allowed to accept.
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It does in the bill validator test. If you go back a few post of the blue screens, I think its the first pic shows bill enabled.. To to right shows 1,2,5,10,20,50,100..
I have one page that allow me to enable or disable 50 & 100's. Then another line just above that, and it ask to enable new currency, or disable. I have this one on and the $50-$100 off.
When I run the validator test I keep getting a error for direction of the bill being inserted? It's the same for every dirrection tried.. I thought the DBV-200 reads the bill from any dirrection?
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It does in the bill validator test. If you go back a few post of the blue screens, I think its the first pic shows bill enabled.. To to right shows 1,2,5,10,20,50,100..
I have one page that allow me to enable or disable 50 & 100's. Then another line just above that, and it ask to enable new currency, or disable. I have this one on and the $50-$100 off.
When I run the validator test I keep getting a error for direction of the bill being inserted? It's the same for every dirrection tried.. I thought the DBV-200 reads the bill from any dirrection?
That sounds like your machine does have the bills enabled. The difference in the way the screens look versus the manual is probably because your model of machine has different software than the model that the manual covers. But the configuration settings should be similar, just presented differently in the menus. I think that was what Tilt was referring to when he passed that manual along.
You are right, the DBV-200 allows the bill to be inserted in any possible way. That "direction error" you are getting may be another symptom that your DBV head is bad. However, due to our not being familiar with the CDS machine there could be another reason the validator is not working. Too many unknowns to say for sure.
In one of your photos it looks like there is a circuit board mounted to the bill validator assembly that is on the right side of the DBV head (when facing it from the front). If so, is that circuit board connected to the connector on the right side of the DBV head? Any idea what that circuit board is for, could it be causing the problem?
It looks like to me you are probably going to need to locate someone with a similar machine that you can borrow their bill validator from to test in your machine. Or find a bill validator with CDS software you can install to see if that fixes it. I sent a message out to a person that did have some extra DBV-200 heads to see if any of them had CDS software (ID-004) but haven't heard back from them. There are places that will test and repair your DBV head if needed but that might not be cost effective. Are you determined to use the bill validator, or would using coins only be ok?
Attached is a photo from the JCM manual showing what the lower sensors look like so you can find and clean them. The upper sensors look similar, they are in the part of the head that swivels upward.
I found the DBV-200 Operations & Maintenance manual on the JCM website, it has several pictures showing how to disassemble and where the sensors are for cleaning. Some of the sensors are optic for photo id of bill, some are magnetic to detect the magnetic strip embedded in the bill.
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I did clean the upper and lower optics in my DBV-200.. I did not totally take it apart. I just released the latch holding the top half in place, then flipped it open. I cleaned everything with a window cleaner, not rubbing alcohol.. The only thing that was really dirty on mine were the rollers, the belts were not very dirty..
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Gary, Have you tried the DBV head test?
You'll need access to the DIP switch on the head as you will be turning the DIP switch on and off and you will need to see the blinking light on the bezel which will produce a blinking light code.
All DIP switches should be OFF for correct settings for your acceptor.
Is there a pic on the entry to show which direction the bills should be inserted?
TEST--
With POWER OFF go to bottom of the head and DIP switch DS2 which has only six switches on it and turn ON switch #6.
Now turn ON the power
Next Turn OFF the DIP switch #6 .
It should cycle.
Now put a dollar bill in it, what does it do?
It will accept or reject a bill, what did it do?
Then if there is an error there should be a blinking light code that repeats with a slight pause between each so you can double check the blink count code. Report back.
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Tim.. I took the front off my bill acceptor to get to the dip switches. When I changed #6 on the shorter dip switches, and the acceptor just cycles back and forth. The red led lights go off and on. Here are a couple pictures of where and how this DBV-200 heads mounted..
I've also included a few pics of the curcuit board attached to the DBV-200 head
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Gary, take that head totally apart and clean the optics. Dust and smoke gets in there and can cause one optic to be blocked. Also the clear lenses which the optics scan thru make sure you hold them up to the light and look thru them for dust. Also make sure the clear plastic lens is not pushed in below flush of the surface of the black plastic they are mounted in. Sometimes they get pushed in/down from cleaning. Disconnect and reconnect all the wire connections in there. I did this to a Bally and it worked.
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Also try this test. The test I had mentioned earlier is without the head attached to the stacker. I failed to note that. Do the same test but with switch #1 off along with #6 turned off on the same bank.
With POWER OFF go to bottom of the head and DIP switch DS2 which has only six switches on it and turn ON switch #1 and #6.Now turn ON the powerNext Turn OFF only DIP switch #6 .It should cycle.Now put a dollar bill in it, what does it do?It will accept or reject a bill, what did it do?Then if there is an error there should be a blinking light code that repeats with a slight pause between each so you can double check the blink count code. Report back.
Also there is more test in that PDF for the stacker test if the head test are OK[/size][/font]
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My biggest problem with try to run test is the lack of cable to work with. There is very little slack to play with, plus the way it's mounted in this frame work. They sure built a solid mount to hold the bill validator. I have 6-8 screws holding the head in place.
I'm beginning to wonder if all this work is worth the effort to just run singles, since I can't seem to locate any newer software..
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Gary, if you want to use $1 bills, if you can locate a DBV-145 SH 004/BAR, it will work in there. I could not find one. Also looking at the pic, that green board connected to the side of the head, is it shorting out on the frame? looks really tight there.
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Tim,
That board has a clear plastic insulator on the backside. I think the hardest part is finding a DBV Head with thE CDS programming. I wonder if Roz has any thing at their shop? Single would be perfect for this machine since it can't really be update to any of the new bills, at least with the 004/BAR software.
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Gary, I an take a look around, but I believe most of the CDS we got had WBAs. I can check for the software of nothing else. I will let you know if I find anything...don't hold your breath though, lol!
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Gary, I an take a look around, but I believe most of the CDS we got had WBAs. I can check for the software of nothing else. I will let you know if I find anything...don't hold your breath though, lol!
Were you able to locate the newer software version? I'm still looking for a replacement DBV-200 or 145 head thats from a CDS machine or VCL...
I'm heading back outside to try the tests that Sunrise Side (Tim) suggested. I will post back later..
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Gary, I an take a look around, but I believe most of the CDS we got had WBAs. I can check for the software of nothing else. I will let you know if I find anything...don't hold your breath though, lol!
Were you able to locate the newer software version? I'm still looking for a replacement DBV-200 or 145 head thats from a CDS machine or VCL...
I'm heading back outside to try the tests that Sunrise Side (Tim) suggested. I will post back later..
Don't forget about that suggestion that if you can get any working DBV-145 head, then I can send you the .bin file for the CDS eprom from a DBV-145. You can make your own CDS eprom, remove whatever eprom is in the DBV-145 and insert the CDS eprom.
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Well I thing I'm pretty much done here with this CDS machines bill acceptor. I cleaned it a second time, and tried to run a test. In test made the bill head would not stop cycling back and forth, untill I turned off the dip switches. I don't know where my problem may lie, due to the fact I don't have a second bill head to swap out. I guess it's time to close this thread since I can't locate a different bill head..
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I have attached the manual for the DBV-200. On page 10 you will find the test modes. You can test it without the stacker by using the "bill registry without stacker" test.
The unit may need calibration. There are two types of JCM callibration paper. The one with holes in one end if for WBAs and should have a sticket that says that. The other is for DBV-200s and also has a sticker. Because they were obsoleted a few years ago, you may have a hard time finding the callibration paper. Maybe one of the vendors has some in stock.