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Title: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: dailey on December 13, 2018, 06:08:14 PM: I just received the RGB Polygon Topper I ordered from Suzohapp. It didn't come with any instructions or documentation and I'm not sure how to connect it. I want to install it on my S2000 Game King. The only connection seems to be an 8-pin connector. Should it be plugged into netplex in the top box ? There is no separate connector for the tower light.

Where can I find a wiring harness extension, as the one which comes with it is too short ?
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: rickhunter on December 13, 2018, 06:11:02 PM: Polygon toppers were meant to go on an AVP machine. You need to make up a harness to connect it to an S2000 or Gameking. The only thing you really need to do is apply power and connect the candle. The USB connection does not work on the older platforms.
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: dailey on December 13, 2018, 06:18:24 PM: What's the operating voltage for this polygon topper for the lights ? 12vdc, 24vdc ?

This topper is non-usb
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: Tilt on December 13, 2018, 07:06:19 PM: Mine is connected to both +12v & +24v off the netplex distribution board. You'll have to fabricate an adapter cable. Here's a manual from Happ that shows the pinouts of the topper on page three.
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: qbert on December 13, 2018, 07:11:39 PM: Do you have the rest of the guts for that topper? Lights LEDs etc.
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: dailey on December 13, 2018, 07:18:10 PM: The first photo is fully assembled. The 2nd photo is just the back half. Everything is there.

I'm aware it's not intended for the S2000 and all I can do is just connect the lights. Thanks for the manual. It's just what I needed. Don't know why it didn't come with one.
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: rickhunter on December 13, 2018, 07:19:54 PM: Yeah I just noticed that. You are missing the LED backlight panel with the heasinks and whatnot. The topper uses +24 volt (Orange wire) and +5 (volts red wire). You can connect to the topbox. There's a 4 pin molex connector that supplies both of those. Here's a photo of my 4 pin connector for power. The other end is affixed to the topper in the form of a 16 pin molex connector that mates with the connector on your photo. The other wires are for the candle.
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: dailey on December 13, 2018, 07:29:54 PM: I am a little confused. On close examination I see 12vdc printed on the controller board at the power connection. The tower lights are also 12vdc. Also, the manual in previous message says powered by 12vdc.
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: rickhunter on December 13, 2018, 07:50:25 PM: I was wrong. 12volts for the red wire, 24 volts for the orange wire. You may have a different version of the topper. This is what my topper looks like when I remove the top cover. Here are also pictures of the cable I made to make it work on my Gameking.
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: RB on December 13, 2018, 08:03:28 PM: This is a plug N play harness if you can find one. The red wire is +12V. The 24V orange wire powers the backlighting components that are missing. Thus your plexi will not be illuminated.
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: dailey on December 13, 2018, 08:20:55 PM: My plexi is illuminated by a lighting panel directly behind it. It is different than yours. In the photo you can see four 16-pin connectors that power it the outer ring and in the center bottom a 2 pin connector for the light panel (back light).
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: RB on December 13, 2018, 08:24:26 PM: Ok cool. Never seen that before. So maybe the 24V is not even needed.
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: RB on December 13, 2018, 08:31:22 PM: That also explains why the inside isn't painted white to reflect light.
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: rickhunter on December 13, 2018, 08:34:55 PM: Much better design, probably generates very little heat.
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: dailey on December 15, 2018, 05:07:13 PM: Well . . . looks like I wasted my money. I made a wiring harness for the topper in order to supply power, then bench tested it. The bezel works great but there is no backlight. The LED back lighting panel doesn't work. I confirmed correct voltage and polarity to the panel. It's not a control board issue as the back light is powered direct. Guess I'll call Suzohapp on Monday and see what they will do.
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: dailey on December 15, 2018, 06:27:12 PM: Solved. I applied 24vdc and the panel lights up. 12vdc is too low.
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: RB on December 15, 2018, 06:34:26 PM: :cool_thumb_up:
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: qbert on December 15, 2018, 06:58:48 PM: Quote from: dailey on December 15, 2018, 06:27:12 PM

Solved. I applied 24vdc and the panel lights up. 12vdc is too low.
Bet that was scary. Glad you got it working. :dancing_2:
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: Tilt on December 15, 2018, 07:07:18 PM: Congrats :applause: . I like these toppers. The color ring lights attract me a like a moth at night :24:
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: dailey on December 15, 2018, 11:49:28 PM: One thing I wanted to add. In order to change the light/color programs, you must open up the topper to access the inside pc board where the programming buttons are located. I suppose this is to make it tamper proof. Casinos can't have players changing the program. I made some modifications to make this easier based on an earlier post. I thank the person who thought of this.

What I did was drill holes in the back of the housing and mount 2 push button momentary switches. I then attached leads to the pc board and wired these switches in parallel to each of the 2 switches on the board. Now I can just reach behind the topper for the buttons to change mode or color programs.
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: rickhunter on December 16, 2018, 01:09:22 PM: When attached to an AVP game via USB, the game controls the RGB light pattern in most cases.
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: dailey on December 16, 2018, 01:51:14 PM: I know these toppers can keep time with music. It seems almost a waste putting one on an S2000 machine but that's why I ordered the non-USB version. It's offered with or without USB.
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: RB on December 16, 2018, 02:09:59 PM: Quote from: dailey on December 13, 2018, 06:08:14 PM

I just received the RGB Polygon Topper I ordered from Suzohapp. It didn't come with any instructions or documentation and I'm not sure how to connect it. I want to install it on my S2000 Game King.

So clear the confusion. Is this going on a S2000 or a Game King? I know there is a USB connector on a 044 mother board but I have no idea what it is used for.
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: dailey on December 16, 2018, 02:25:38 PM: Sorry for the confusion. It's going on a Game King. I guess you could call it an S2000 vintage machine ? I call it that because the cabinet has bat ear speakers.
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: rickhunter on December 16, 2018, 03:50:26 PM: S2000 is always a stepper game, game king is always a video game. Two different things all together, you cannot convert an s2000 to a gameking, unlike other manufacturer's platforms of the time.
Title: Re: How do I connect new RGB Polygon Topper ?
Post by: dailey on December 20, 2018, 10:25:23 PM: I wanted to share some information I leaned about my topper. My topper is apparently the latest design which uses an LED backlight panel rather than the earlier high power LED's mounted on heavy duty aluminum heat sinks (see photos in earlier posts). I suspect this latest design uses significantly less power than previous versions.

The backlight panel uses a very thin narrow flex circuit (like a thin tape) which contains small surface mounted LED's. There are no heat sinks. No thermally conductive grease or any obvious measures taken to dissipate heat. The plastic housing on which the flex circuit is mounted might be a thermally conductive polymer.

I determined the electrical requirements and measured the actual power consumption of my topper.
Controller board & chaser light: 12 vdc 0.10 amps (1.2 watts)
Backlight panel: 24 vdc 0.37 amps (8.8 watts)

The backlight panel will operate on less than 24 vdc but 12 vdc is not enough to turn it on.