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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Bally Electromechanical => Topic started by: Bally Bill on February 07, 2017, 10:29:47 PM
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Hello All, Looking for any advise or tips on getting the door plate off to access the bulb on my 742A slot. Thank you
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http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=1809.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=1809.0)
This is pretty standard on all EM and E machines
If you do not have the screws in the picture post a few pictures of the inside of your door if it is a really early 63 or 64 model machine it could have the early belly glass frame very rare I think I have two of them and that's it
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Hi Jon, I searched last night for that post and missed it! Let me try removing the 2 screws using the photos in that link and see if I can get that bulb out-Thank you
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How is that light replacement coming
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Hi Jon, I thought that I had a bad bulb starter but when I swapped them out I still had no light on top. Yes 2 screws and I carefully removed the glass and frame to access the bulbs, now I will try to find them at the hardware store or maybe a pet shop might have them? Thank you again!
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They should not be hard to find most hardware stores including Home Depot carry them I've even found them at Walmart not cheap that way you can usually order online for half the price
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once I find them I will buy 3 and replace both while I have the frame open and keep the balance as spares. Thanks again... I have a safety timer issue on the Money honey Kit machine that I will be searching the forum for topics later today.
200 coin payout-machine cuts off during payout but not all the time-plenty of quarters in the hopper-I adjusted the timer to 50 seconds and that cured the cut off issue but now its overpaying but 18 quarters-possible override solenoid adjustment or maybe cut back on timer by 5 second increments?
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It sounds like you need to adjust the outboard wiper on the hopper that is the one going to the 200 terminal it should be disconnecting off of that terminal with about 20 coins left to pay the actual 200 is taken care of by the carryover circuit what you do is just been the outboard wiper a little bit falls off of that pad a little bit sooner
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I buy my light bulbs at 1000bulbs.com.. I can buy bulbs for under $1.50 each..
Gary
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Wow that is cheap! next time! but I found 2 at Lowes for 8.88 each and ended up changing both because the white point look different with just one installed. Jon here is a picture of the 200 payout and after I manually reset the hopper payout unit and stepped it 200 times by hand.
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Okay I see two different pictures is the top one after it pays 200 or is the bottom one after it pays 200 do you have the timer set we're it go,s over 200 plus if the machine if the machine cows to 200 where does it stop set a 200 coin payout let it pay out your 218 and show me where it stops please
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top picture is when it hits 200 and over pays the 18 coins,2nd picture is me resetting the hopper and stepping the unit by hand 200 times. Timer changed from 35 seconds to 50 seconds to stop the machine from cutting off during the 200 payout.
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On the top picture is the safety timer shutting the machine down
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no only when it was set to 35 seconds it would shut off-now set to 50 and now overpays. I tried 40 and 45 seconds and it still overpays but does not shut the machine off.
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Set it back to 50 seconds take a picture of where it stops I'm thinking it's not stepping up properly for each coin it may be a hair out of adjustment or the hundred tooth gear may have a little wearing it
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ok reset back to 50 seconds and finger is in another position?
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Did the timer time out there
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no only at 35 seconds, just the overpay of 18 coins
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Billy,
The hopper should shut off when the contacts leave the 200 metal strip.
What happens if you set up a 50 payout?
There is not a 200 metal strip someplace else on the step up board?
I'm not quite grasping how the 200 is working with one contact on the metal strip.
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I think the top wiper is for 50 and the bottom wiper is 200. Both wouldn't be hot at the same time?
It looks like the wipers are stopping at 18 and sounds like its paying 18 + however many times the disc wipers have completed a rev 100/per rev.
I would check top outboard 50 wiper 1st. Set up a 50 pay, top wiper should leave 50 tab between 40-45 coins paid. Adjust if needed.
Then check 200. Set up 200 pay. Pay disc wipers should make 2 rev's and be ~ 6:00 position when done. 200 outboard wiper should leave 200 tab ~ 170-180 coins, around the 7-8:00 position on pay disc. CO finishes pay after out wipers leave their tabs.
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Hi David and Jim, Here is a side view of a 200 payout, this slot only has 100 and 200 with the next payout being 18. The wiper did 2 full turns even when I manually step the unit from zero. Could the timer being running too long or maybe the 200 finger needs to be adjusted forward?
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Went by the shop to refresh my memory on the workings of the step-up unit.
If the 50 and the 200 overpay, then you might be able to make an adjustment to the contacts
where they are mounted on the spiral cam carriage. But first I would try some Scotch tape.
Try adding a piece of tape to the left side of the 200 strip. This may give an indication of what's going on. May be cover a 1/16 of the strip and do a test run. If it reduces the payout, then an adjustment may need to be done.
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added tape and its hard to get it at 1/16 but it did work with a payout of 160 coins
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When you get a chance can you post a pic of pay glass/table.
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Bill,
Checked out the photo. There is a possibility that the 18 payout is getting a signal somehow.
That would cause the hopper to run and pay out 18 more coins.
Manually turn the spiral cam until the contacts move off the 200 strip. Then check the position of the 18 payout. Reason being the 200 contact look to be more than 18 steps away from the metal strip.
Note
I like to ease the spiral cam back to zero when finished instead of slamming back to zero.
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adjusted the 200 finger all the back and it still overpaying by 18, I will try to bend the arm to get the contact to sit as far back as possible and try to shorten the timer by 2-3 seconds
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Great photo,
Seeing the 18 and the 200 that close, I would inspect the other side for any type of derbies connecting them.
A wire strand, solder or any other conductive material.
Just to eliminate that possibility.
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ok let me manually step the unit and yes I always lightly hold my finger on the cam so it slides back without the bang...give me a minute to check it out-Thanks to everyone's help so far!
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ok its has to be the timer because the fingers are in different position when its stepped to 200 by hand, can you reset the timer by turning it around until its stops and then releasing it back to zero?
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Based on your pic in post #28, I would adjust the outboard wiper so that it is a little further off the 200 tab when you have manually stepped payout 200. By 190 coins dispensed the outboard wiper should be very visibly off the 200 tab. The CO completes the pay at what would be exactly 200 coins dispensed. CO takes over pay after wiper has cleared the tab.
The paydisc wipers are in the right area for 200 paid.
When all payouts are working correctly and reliably the safety timer should be set just seconds more than the largest payout takes to be paid. In this case, I would max out till problem is solved.
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ok Jim,let me try those 2 adjustments and see if that cures the overpayment-Thank you
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Check for continuity between the contact and metal strip. Should open on step 201.
This would be a very fine adjustment as the cam moves the contact carriage in very short increments.
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I will do that also-Thank you David
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checked the continuity between the contact and metal strip and its good, made a slight adjustment on the 200 payout fingers and rotated the safety timer by hand 4 times around and reset timer back to 45 seconds. It now payouts out 200 coins correctly but shuts off early and pays out the balance of 5 coins after the timer resets. Going to bump the timer to 47 seconds to see if that's the magic number. Bally book says that 50 seconds is the correct timer setting for the 200 payout so I"am thinking the safety timer is worn or spring has lost tension?
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Bill,
Sounds like you've got it under control, good work.
Setting the timer for a few seconds after the 200 coin payout should be fine.
Keep in mind if the hopper is low on coins, sometimes it takes longer to payout. It skips picking up coins.
No big deal, just reset the timer.
What a great find for $20.00! That other machine for $150 went pretty fast.
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yes 48 seconds was the magic number and it works great now, Thanks again for everybody's help on the lamp replacement and my payout issue! seems like the older EMs are selling faster then last year...maybe people are getting back into the slot world again?