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Bill Validators, Currency Acceptors and Printers => JCM WBA 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 20, 21, 22, and 23 Bill Validators => Topic started by: noclue-socal on January 28, 2015, 02:15:32 PM
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:wave: hi every one new guy first time not quite sure how to use site i have igt pe+ double double poker i pick up no working from cl add for $40 monitor was bad replaced and low battery error replace and game only works with coin 5c wba 11 no working no cycle
i am not very good with electronics and is my first machine and as user name have no clue what i am doing :Scratch-Head:
help please
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Does the bill validator cycle or make any noise at all upon start up? Besides the fans running, nothing else in the machine will be making any noise at start up, so if you hear anything, it will be your bill validator.
Also, is there a cash can in it? When you open the lid of the machine, there will be a box with a door on it right under the bill validator. Open this door and see what's in there. That compartment should be full basically, it should contain a cash can with a handle on it.
If you can open the top lid of the machine and snap a pic showing us a side pic of the bill validator area.
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thanks for getting back to me answer is no and no lite on front top of face on and nothing else can is set i wonder if the board is right do to the machine is double double but it has bonus deluxe game as i went through the setting bv is enable i will take some picture latter and post i am having company i wont be back till latter thanks
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If game is working/playing properly, then it is not your board. BV is powered and "thinks" separate from the game itself. Most likely, the BV itself is bad, or there's a chance it's just not plugged in (and is not getting power). We'll get ya fixed up. Come back when you can.
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hey CVslots ihave some pic of machine and wba 11 check power it has power to power supply don't know how to ck past that wonder if any member near me that can check this thing out willing to take it ti them our he/she can come to my home :thank_you:
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Ok, if its getting power, then that's good! :applause: :applause:
The BV itself could have issues, or it could not even be for an IGT machine. BVs speak different languages, and to work in an IGT, it must speak IGT. The language is the IDO and that is either programmed/written directly to an internal memory (on flashed units), or it is contained on an EPROM on the underside of the unit. I know your sticker says WBA-11, but we will verify that (I've seen plenty of incorrect labels on the heads, which are interchangeable with other models). We need to check the underside of the unit to see what transport you have.
When you turn the BV over, does it have a 1/2"x1-1/2" black rectangular eprom on the bottom? And any labels anywhere on the BV with a number/identifier starting with a V (such as v3.75-34, v2.20)?
I don't know any members near you, but I don't know SoCal region well.
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Oops! Upon looking at the pics, I see that cash can is labeled "BAD"....that could be it right there! If the cash can does not engage properly, the unit will not cycle! Take the cash can out and check the gears at the back for broken teeth. Now, since there's not a whole lot that can go wrong with a cash can, with it still removed, look at the housing it installs in. There are 2 small skis/legs/lifts at the back of the housing that "lift" the cash can up to engage with the BV unit. Take a screwdriver and pry these little skis up 1/8" (maybe less, start small, lol). Now, reinstall cash can and power machine up and see what happens!
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ok the can is good came out of a working wba friend has the same machine i was going to use the hole unit but plugs are different so i only use can
on the tag of the carrier it has a tag wba 11 ss id-022/023 usa-501-03-03 and a hand tag cs def2 in bottom hand tag wba 11 ss 22/23 1mg def2
a have more pic i learn a lot from this site even before i was a member specially the what you expert talk machine terms i still know nothing but trying to learn i want to thanks everyone for being so nice and understanding of us rookies and me the dummy :hail:
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Ok, so the can is good. BUT IS IT SEATING PROPERLY??? Adjust the lifts in the back of the housing!
And not sure what you are meaning about your friends WBA. Is it from an IGT machine? If his machine is an IGT with a WBA, then take your validator (just the BV unit itself, the part the you removed from machine to take pics of) over and test it in his machine! And then bring his unit and test it in your machine!
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ok try resetting put original back and yes is igt machine slant top but harness plugs are different as you on pic my you can see pins on his u can not so they don't mach
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here are pic of the other wba 11 itry to use i notice on front handle it says wba 11 in black marker on top wba12 and u can harness plug is different how do i take the frame out to get to screws on harness to change but before ido that are harness interchangeable
thanks
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Crap, your friends machine is newer isn't it...explains the different plugs....darn it.
Ok, you said you "checked power"...but it's not cycling at start up?
If the cash can not engaging properly (you have to kinda slam it into place, you can't be gentle). There's a little latch (release lever) is on the right. Is the lever flipping to the UP position when the cash can is put in?
Also, tape the cash box door CLOSED tightly. If this door opens even a tiny bit, then validator will not work.
There are many tiny things that have to just right for the BV to function.
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Roz, the second validator is a WBA12, not a WBA10/11. He will need to change out the harness on the back of the validator cage for it to work.
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hey guy's that what i wanted to know how to take the housing out to change the plug and the wba 12 will work with my machine plugs after the power unit
will they be the same and any thing else needs changing in the settings
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You will probably need to re-enable it after swapping. That requires a Set015 chip.
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ok now talking over my head here is the part i know nothing about :Scratch-Head:
have power to the power supply black/white wire has 120v i don't how to check if any power is coming out of power supply to bv
how do i check that if have power to bv then i post see any one has old working 11 for sale
also can i change heads only to see what happens
again :thank_you:
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The heads are all the same, the transport is what determines the type of validator, so changing the heads won't do anything. If you want to change the harness on the back of the validator cage, you really need to remove it from the machine and change it outside, changing in machine would be a challenge.
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thanks rickhunter yes i get needs to done outside the machine my question is how to get cage out
also the question bv power supply how it's getting power power going to box don't if going out of box to bv how can i ck that
want to know before buying new bv that its the problem
also this machine has no ss# or model # tag missing
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first i want to apology to rickhunter and every one else i felt i came across like a jerk on the above post
sorry rickhunter and every one :fryingpan:
thanks to all for your help and support i know every one here is helping each other and i am grateful for all the help
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To get the cage out, remove the cash can and look inside the cavity. There should be screws on the back that hold the cage to the cabinet. I don't have a slant top, but on my upgright there are also a couple of screws on the side that attach it to the cabinet. Then the whole thing just pulls out. Remove the validator as well before attempting this. If you don't see what I'm talking about, post back and I will go take photos to detail where the screws on my upright are located, should be similar for the slant top.
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OK Noclue, I don't have a slant top but on my S+ to remove the "cage" the power supply on the left side of the bill validator hangs on 2 pins on the front and needs to be pulled out and then forward to remove it. Drop it to the side. There is a screw underneath it that needs to be removed. Remove the bill validator after that and the cash can to access the inside of the "cage". Remove the top screw, then towards the bottom of the inside of the cash can pocket are 2 screws. Remove them and the cage should be loose. Undo the three connectors from the power supply to the bill validator harness. You should be able to remove the entire cage and harness now. There are 2 screws holding the harness in place. Take those out and remove the the harness and replace with the "new" one. Make sure to install the "new" one facing the correct way for your b/v. After all that install in the opposite order and you should be good to go. This is a 5 minute process that takes 15 minutes to write. Hope all goes good for you.
Dave
Actually I'm not sure there is a top screw. I'm doing this from memory. Kind of lift up and out with the insides. It should come right out. Hope this is close enough for your type of machine. :cool_thumb_up:
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thanks rick i look at it and seen the screws one on left side is behind light fixture needs to be remove to get to screw
cv said earlier if change to wba 12 i need a set chip witch i don't know how to use
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sorry shaggy didn't see your post new here never look past first page
thanks for advice haven't try it yet like i said to rick i am no good when comes to mess with electronics like chips etc.
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If you don't have a set chip, you should acquire one anyway as they are very useful in re-seting up the machine in case something happens. The set chip is not all that difficult to use. Basically you put the set chip in place of the game chip (someone else with pe experience should be able to tell you which one), then you boot with the set chip, and use the option to enable the validator. The reason you need a set chip is because certain setup parameters are secured from change without it to comply with certain jurisdictional requirements. Like changing payback percentages, etc. Because the bill validator accepts cash, the local gaming comission wants to make sure when the machine is setup, that it doesn't have any cheating device on the machine that will defraud the player, that is why anything relating to gaming equipment must have any software validated by the commission.
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rick i don't even know what it is or where to get one like i said electronics and me bad news
but willing to try the worse thing i can do is blow up the machine where can i get one and are they expensive
is a special one for my machine
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you can post a WTB here in the classifieds (You have to be a contributing member to do that). You can e-bay it.
here is one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IGT-PE-and-PE-Plus-Video-Clear-and-Set-chip-w-instructions-Pe-Set38-/251806548368?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3aa0d70190 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/IGT-PE-and-PE-Plus-Video-Clear-and-Set-chip-w-instructions-Pe-Set38-/251806548368?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3aa0d70190)
The long description says S+, but set 38 is for the pe machines. Ask the vendor to make sure you are getting the right thing.
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thanks rick i will check ebay before i do that i need a new bv
today i p/u a machine from cl $35 not working for parts it has bv in it is wba 12 with the plug
i will take it out and the cage and try on my i will post pic tomorrow
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You don't need to change the inner "cage" they are the same on both machines.
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thanks shaggy i was because i need to take out to change plugs change the whole thing i don't know if the one i got works
when power up will it make noise even though the machine doesn't recognize the new bv
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those any one knows if when battery is low and pull the board out and change the battery will it disable the bv
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Yes it will. If you don't replace the battery the game will not work anyway, so you need the set chip anyway.
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thanks rick the machine that i am haven problems with the bv need it a battery when i got it so was never reset :duh:
only works with coins i will buy the chips
the one i p/u yesterday for parts needs a new battery so if i post pic of board will u show me where the chip goes
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If not me, I'm sure somebody else will also chime in.
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hello every one i did take pic of bv and the board of the parts machine can any one show me where set chip goes thanks
i spoke to ngl today can remember with who and can be other things wrong if bv don't cycle up on power up so wife and i going to laughlin in march so i will stop by nlg shop and have them look at it also the person on phone say to bring power unit
:thank_you: every one and nlg for all the help
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95% sure it replaces the one that says "program" which would be the chip with label by itself on the right hand side of the picture.
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And the battery is that little green and white thing at the top right corner of the board...
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thanks every one will try when get the set chip
cv i try to call the shop today and went to a different # then dial
i am changing the battery with that holder on right of board with red/black wires and attach holder to tray with quick disconnect so never mess with solder on board again
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this is getting a little confusing? lets go back to the machine that was working using coins.as it was stated earlier, the game has two independent ways to establish credits, using coins or using the bill acceptor. we know the coins work! the bill acceptor is a separate unit. it contains 6 major sub components, they are : the transport unit, the head, the transport/cash can shelf and wire harness unit, cash can, the power supply, and the bezel lamp assembly. when all these are combined and power is applied the unit should cycle, usually involves the transport resetting the cash can and the transport running the gear train in the head. you have a WBA-11 transport (the plug on the rear has the gold contacts exposed). you said you have 110 vac going into the power supply, you could look at the right side of the transport unit, next to the dip switches, there should be two red leds on, which would indicate that the power supply is putting out the 13 vdc . the cash can is good, the chip installed looks to be in there the right way, and the protocol switch seems to be in the right position. So the important part is to determine if the power supply is working, red LEDS on, or you can measure the voltage at the small two pin connector that should be plugged into the harness plug coming out of the shelf assembly. you can test this unit out of the machine, remove the shelf assembly, take off the wire harness, now extend the power supply connections out of the topbox and connect to the wire harness, plug the wire harness into the back of the wba-11, mark down the settings of all the switches before this next step, now set switches 123 and 8 on, apply power , turn 8 off, unit will cycle briefly, you can now insert bills into the unit, they will travel through and come out the back where they would be sent to the cash can. if the unit does work, then your problem is elsewhere. looking at your parts board, you are missing a chip the data chip, also go to the PE+ section and there is a step by step instruction how to enable the BV.
Hope this helps
Jim
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thanks jim
i will try it little confuse about red led how can i see them when transporter is in the cage inside machine
i am new to all this trying to learn thanks for the help
when it comes to electronics i need lots of help
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open the exterior bill acceptor door, turn on the power, look at an angle you should be able to see the red leds, if not put your hand about a 1/2 inch away from the right side of the transport unit you should be able to see the red reflect on you hand or put a piece of white paper next to that side, if the LEDS are on you should see a reflection.
Jim
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jim i will do that right now thanks
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hi jim try have no lights
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no lights mean no power to unit. make sure power supply is plugged into the wiring harness that goes to the transport unit, its the small two pin connector with black and red wires, or measure voltage there. 13vdc. see if the white cherry switch has to be pushed in or pulled out to get power to something.no use trying anything else until the red LEDS are lit .
Jim
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jim u may be right
can i use a 12v (no machine power) that is putting out about 14/14.3v as a source to power up bv to see if lights come on
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back in reply #15 you checked the voltage going into the power supply, what is coming out?? it should be 13 vdc. I would not sub a power source, the power supply serves two functions for this unit, 1= provides the 13vdc to operate the unit 2= had the interface comm. board that talks to the cpu. so if the power supply is bad, you will have to replace it to get the bill acceptor to work.
try the power supply from your friends machine to see if that will fix your problem.
Jim
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thanks every one for all the help (great people on this site) :thank_you:
figure out the transport is bad need new one
can any one tell me were to get one and should i up grade when i buy one
and do i need the set chip for it
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I would upgrade to a WBA-12/13 your preference, one is flash memory, the other is a EPROM memory. the biggest difference is the four way acceptance, WBA 10/11 only allow one way acceptance. you will need a new wiring harness for the back of the transport shelf, the cash can and power supply are the same. you also have to have it flashed for the proper game IDO. In your case ID0-022 and IDO-023, that's why switch #1 was flipped down, to use a IDO-023 protocol. You will need a set chip as well. never hurts to have one.
Where are you located??
I have everything you would need.
sent you a pm
Jim
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ok you are talking about things i know nothing
will it be easier to send the one i got to get repair
i am in so. california
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i want to say thanks to RICHUNTER CVslots SHAGGY AND JIM and every one else for putting up with me :hail:
by taken every buddy advice and a little luck (no knowledge) i got it working
the wba 11 is bad
by taken the cage out changing plugs and using wba12 from junk machine (pic reply 33) plug in and it started to work it takes bills (with out set chip)
:thank_you: :thank_you:
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:applause: :applause: :applause:
Enjoy your poker games.
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thank you RICKHUNTER
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And you know, I bowed out of this post when you started checking voltages and whatnot. That's just not the way I go through a machine, but I understand, to each his own. I am THRILLED to see you got this one figured out, and we have likely addicted you, so we will see you more!
Wow, BV was changed and was enabled EVEN without a SEt chip???? We've only been saying that for years, but no one will believe it. Glad you could validate that for me! Some people just do what they do because that's what they've done in the past..others just do what's needed.
Again, awesome job for sticking it out! Jim got ya through the toughest parts (thats why we love him). Pat yourself on the back, have a beer, whatever you do to celebrate! You got it! :applause: