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**Video Poker, Keno, Slots, 21** Gaming machines => IGT PE and PE Plus Poker Games => Topic started by: skipjack on June 27, 2017, 03:59:33 PM
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I am new to slots, but a long time pinhead. This slot is similar to my pinball machines.
I have a PE+ Draw Poker. Pretty good shape, but does not work. It has lights, and the monitor turns on with some white lines across the screen. Not sure where to start. I checked the MPU, no battery leakage. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Welcome to NLG!
What is the voltage on the battery? That's always a good place to start. And check the fuses too. Start easy and go from there.
Dave
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Will the machine take coins? I think with that model you can put the white button by the coin optics to put credits on the game. If it does that, then I would guess you have a bad CRT or chassis for the CRT. There should be a molex plug under the CRT shelf that powers the monitor. Make sure it's plugged in and tight.
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Can you please provide a higher resolution pic of the MPU board or at least of the chips with labels. Thanks,
BrianT
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Welcome to NLG!
What is the voltage on the battery? That's always a good place to start. And check the fuses too. Start easy and go from there.
Dave
Battery measures 0.002, dead. I also know this slot was obtained used, directly from IGT is 1997, and hasn't worked since then. It has been sitting, unplugged, for 20 years.
I know on pinball machines, the first think you do when you get a new machine is to relocate the mpu batteries to a remote location, to prevent damage to the circuit board and to make future replacement easier. Is this also done with slots?
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Will the machine take coins? I think with that model you can put the white button by the coin optics to put credits on the game. If it does that, then I would guess you have a bad CRT or chassis for the CRT. There should be a molex plug under the CRT shelf that powers the monitor. Make sure it's plugged in and tight.
No. It will not accept coins.
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Can you please provide a higher resolution pic of the MPU board or at least of the chips with labels. Thanks,
BrianT
Ok, hopefully these are good.
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The first thing you're going to want to do is replace the battery. When you desolder it you might as well put a battery holder in place and use a standard 1/2AA battery. Then if you ever need to change the battery you just pop out the old one and slap in a new one.
Second, you need to put a coin in the coin comparator for it to work / accept coins. IE: Where it says "Slide to --> replace coin" put in a quarter as that's what your machine says it takes.
Lastly, the good news once you get it going, you have program PP0006 if you look here: http://newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%20Poker/Standard%20Draw%20Poker.htm (http://newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%20Poker/Standard%20Draw%20Poker.htm) you will see it the program with the highest payout at 100.1% (with perfect play) which is good for home.
BrianT
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Below is a photo of a coin comparitor with the "sample" coin installed. The comparitor compares the electronic signal of the sample coin to the coins that get inserted into the machine by a player. Those coins not matching the sample coin are rejected and returned to the player in the coin tray on the front of the machine. So you need to install a sample coin that is the type of coin or token that you want to use to play the machine. The sample coin fits into a groove or slot on the left side of the coin holder, and the slide cover should move to the left and cover as much of the coin as possible. The slide cover screw should be moderately tight so that the cover fits right over the coin with little gap.
The main logic circuit board is called the "mpu" board. If you look on the front edge of your mpu board you will see a blue wheel, that is the volume control pot.
The dipswitch on the mpu board is not used on PE+ models, the options are set by pressing the white TEST button inside the machine and getting into the menu system. Of course you would need to be able to see the monitor display to do this. (one of the dipswitches might be utilized, it selects the line frequency (60hz/50hz) for the power the machine is connected to).
Welcome to NLG!
We have several pinball hobbyists here, so there is some cross-over between the two hobbies.
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If your machine has been sitting as long as you say, I would want to remove and reseat the games EPROMs that are in sockets to make sure they have a good connections. I would also do the same to any game board connections.
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Below is a photo of a coin comparitor with the "sample" coin installed. The comparitor compares the electronic signal of the sample coin to the coins that get inserted into the machine by a player. Those coins not matching the sample coin are rejected and returned to the player in the coin tray on the front of the machine. So you need to install a sample coin that is the type of coin or token that you want to use to play the machine. The sample coin fits into a groove or slot on the left side of the coin holder, and the slide cover should move to the left and cover as much of the coin as possible. The slide cover screw should be moderately tight so that the cover fits right over the coin with little gap.
The main logic circuit board is called the "mpu" board. If you look on the front edge of your mpu board you will see a blue wheel, that is the volume control pot.
The dipswitch on the mpu board is not used on PE+ models, the options are set by pressing the white TEST button inside the machine and getting into the menu system. Of course you would need to be able to see the monitor display to do this. (one of the dipswitches might be utilized, it selects the line frequency (60hz/50hz) for the power the machine is connected to).
Welcome to NLG!
We have several pinball hobbyists here, so there is some cross-over between the two hobbies.
Thanks for the info and picture, I now have a quarter in my coin comparitor!
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Is the candle flashing on top of the machine at all when it's powered on (the light tower)? It kind of looks like the lower light is flashing. If so, that's somewhat of a good sign -- it means your MPU board is talking to the rest of the machine. However, it likely has an error on the screen, but of course that would require you to be able to see the screen! I suspect that your monitor is faulty. I'm not a CRT expert, however, so I'm not sure what your next troubleshooting steps would be in regards to that.
I would suggest maybe starting a new post in the monitor repair section since I believe your biggest issue right now is monitor related, not machine-specific. I'd definitely include the picture you took which shows what the monitor is displaying.
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=30.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=30.0)
Once you get your monitor working, we can walk you through the rest of the steps needed to make your machine functional from a setup standpoint.
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Is the candle flashing on top of the machine at all when it's powered on (the light tower)? It kind of looks like the lower light is flashing. If so, that's somewhat of a good sign -- it means your MPU board is talking to the rest of the machine. However, it likely has an error on the screen, but of course that would require you to be able to see the screen! I suspect that your monitor is faulty. I'm not a CRT expert, however, so I'm not sure what your next troubleshooting steps would be in regards to that.
I would suggest maybe starting a new post in the monitor repair section since I believe your biggest issue right now is monitor related, not machine-specific. I'd definitely include the picture you took which shows what the monitor is displaying.
[url]http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=30.0[/url] ([url]http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=30.0[/url])
Once you get your monitor working, we can walk you through the rest of the steps needed to make your machine functional from a setup standpoint.
Thanks for the info. Yes, the candle is lit. The top light blinks slow, and the bottom light blinks fast.
I am going to replace the dead battery, then I will jump over to the monitor section as you suggested.
Thanks again!
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Update.
New battery is in, and no change to operation.
I have posted over in the monitor section as suggested, and I am starting to think that the monitor is good. It is just not getting any video signal from the MPU.
I am not sure how to diagnose the video circuit on the MPU. Though I have done many circuit board repairs in the past (pinball), I am no expert for sure.
Just because it may make a difference, let me share some history of this slot.
I am fixing this for an in-law, who has owned it for 20 years and it has never worked. He purchased it at a silent action fundraiser for "Ducks Unlimited" in Reno NV in 1997. Duck Unlimited solicited IGT for a donation, and they donated this slot. After winning the auction, he was provided with a certificate, which he had to take directly to IGT in Reno to pick up the slot. For all of this, I have all the documents and paperwork from all parties to verify everything, including a printout from IGT with all the details of this particular machine.
Here is where the story gets a little fuzzy. He had to have someone else pick it up for him, and this person delivered it to him. He was told he would need to "call and make arrangements" to "take it in" so it could be made operational? Now this is all verbal, from IGT employee to pickup person to owner and 20 years later, to me.
At first I thought maybe they didn't include some kind of program chip, or security chip or it required some kind of programming before it could be used. But I can't seem to find anything, and nothing in any of the documentation to suggest this machine was not ready to go.
Now I am starting to wonder if there is something I am missing here. This slot machine could not have been very old at the time, and most everything about it looks near perfect.
Anyway, an old slot machine story now told.
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Just a thought, but maybe you should reach out to IGT.. You have the paper work, maybe they have more information or what needs to be done? It's worth a call or email...
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Just a thought, but maybe you should reach out to IGT.. You have the paper work, maybe they have more information or what needs to be done? It's worth a call or email...
Thanks for the reply.
Their suggestion was to take it to a repair shop.
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Wow, that's wild. Nowadays IGT won't talk to anyone unless you work for a casino.
Would you care to post your location? There might be someone near you with a spare MPU or monitor to try to isolate the issue.
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Wow, that's wild. Nowadays IGT won't talk to anyone unless you work for a casino.
Would you care to post your location? There might be someone near you with a spare MPU or monitor to try to isolate the issue.
Elk Grove, California
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I think that is in the Sacramento area.
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Vegas Baby!
Bring it to our shop in Las Vegas.
We fix those machines all of the time and many come from California.
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Vegas Baby!
Bring it to our shop in Las Vegas.
We fix those machines all of the time and many come from California.
Careful - Oscar Goodman may hire you as a city spokesman! :odie:
<actually I think he is retired now, but still probably involved>
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His wife runs it now.
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I think that is in the Sacramento area.
Yes it is.
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I've been wondering if this brown stuff on the side of this connector, on an otherwise very clean MPU board, could be a problem? Possible source might be that transistor with MAC303 on it?
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Almost looks like something was spilled on the board or in the machine. Might not be a bad idea to clean that edge connection and check the mating plug on the mother board. Take all the plugs apart and inspect them too. There looked to me to be at least 2 solder connection on the edge connector to have white looking solder joints. One by the #1 and another by the #15. You might even want to pull the mother board and check under it. You could simply have a dirty or bad connection on a board or plug. Those tin plated plug connections will tarnish over time and fail.
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Since this machine is new to you and that mpu board connector has that brown stain on it I'd remove the motherboard from the machine and look it over. The motherboard is the smaller circuit board that the mpu plugs into. Unplug the machine when you are doing this, you will be down in the area where power is present even if the machine is powered off.