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**Video Poker, Keno, Slots, 21** Gaming machines => IGT Fortune II => Topic started by: modessitt on July 24, 2015, 08:21:49 AM
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So a lady brings in a video poker that doesn't work. Says some wires came loose and needed to be reconnected, and battery might be dead. It's a Model 1170A:
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This thing is Frankensteined. Addons, wires everywhere, etc. Check out the pics:
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These are the wires that are loose. They come from the small beige addon board:
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I've looked over the board for places that look like they might have been soldered to, but only see one leg on this chip:
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Don't see anything on the other board where they might have attached.
Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks...
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It looks like you have an IGT Fortune II Poker machine.. I have no idea where those extra wires might go?? Some very interesting repairs done to that board.. The bottom two boards are sound on the left and IO on the right.. As for the small beige board, I don't have a clue, none of my MPU boards have that add on?? :Scratch-Head:
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About those 2 loose wires (pink and black, the pink has a 1,000 ohm resistor attached), maybe the black wire connects to that U22 ic leg you found that has extra solder on it. That leg is pin 12 of U22, which is an MC3302 ic, and pin 12 is a ground connection. Often a black wire is used for a ground connection, maybe whoever did this work followed convention.
Since the loose pink and black wires are twisted together closely the loose pink wire (with resistor attached) would connect somewhere nearby to wherever the black wire connects. Look for extra solder not just on ic legs but also on the leads of other nearby parts, like resistors and capacitors, etc. The loose ends of both wires look like they are curved the same, as if they were attached to similar places such as on the upper arches of ic legs. So there should be 2 places near each other with extra solder that these wires attached to. The installer wouldn't have used a lot more wire than he had to, so you might get an idea of where they go from the length of the wires.
The 3 wires twisted together (white, brown, pink) that appear to be connected to the bottom of the beige addon board run back to 3 stacked chips that look like 82S147 proms. An 82S147 prom holds 512 bytes of information. The 3 wires probably individually connect to each proms CE (chip enable/activate) pin 15, which is the 6th leg from the notched end of the ic. All the other legs on the 82S147 are identical, that's why it is ok to stack them like this and add more prom storage to the board. So it looks like that beige addon board is controlling these proms. Maybe this mod was to add additional character graphics or other info for whatever additional games are stored in the mpu eproms that originally the machine did not have. There is something written on the board near these stacked proms, but I can't read it, looks like "xxx prom".
It looks like maybe the yellow wire that connects to the little addon beige board brings in a control signal from U22 to the beige addon board and it then selects the correct prom out of the 3 stacked proms for the game to use. Power for the beige addon board comes in on the twisted 2 wires that are violet and black. This is all just a wild-a$$ guess. A schematic for the mpu board would be handy, even an original schematic before the mod work, as it would help to show what signals the little beige addon board is connected to.
What is the part number of the ic on the beige addon board?
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Hmm. I'll check that when I get back to the shop on Monday.
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Ok, the chip on the beige board can be seen here:
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The black wire is connected to Pin 5 which according to the datasheet ssems to be the Vss. The pink wire is connected to pin 18 which would appear to be the RA1.
This is the only place on the board (besides U22) that I can find solder without anything else attached:
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Here is the area around U22. I don't see anywhere the other wire might have attached:
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In your picture of U22, it looks to me that something was attached on the 3rd leg, just under the MC..
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From what I can see-
That ic (PIC16c54A) on the small beige board is a programmable microcontroller. It is like a small microprocessor but has its own internal rom that stores a software program someone has written and loaded into the chip. It also has input and output ports that let it monitor signals, then output a signal when certain conditions happen. Since it has all that internally it is called a microcontroller instead of a microprocessor. Anyway, it looks like that beige board is controlling those 3 stacked 82s147 chips that are connected to the 3 twisted wires (pink, white, brown) that run from the bottom of the beige board. To do this it needs certain signals brought to it, I think that is what the loose pink and black wires are for, along with the yellow wire from U22 and the brown and white pair of wires.
The tall skinny gray part on the beige board next to the ic is a crystal, it is part of the clock/oscillator circuit that the ic requires, it is probably connected to pins 15 & 16 of the ic.
As you said, the loose black wire is a ground connection, it connects to the beige board ground connection, and the PIC16c54A ground connection (Vss) at pin 5 is also connected to that beige board ground trace. That ground path for the beige board is connected back to the ground path on the main board thru the other black wire that is twisted with the violet wire. This way the beige board is grounded to the main board. The violet wire brings power (probably 5v or similar) to the beige board from the main board.
Pin 18 (the pink wire) of the PIC16c54 is the RA1 I/O port on the ic. This can be either an input or an output depending on the software inside the PIC controller. It looks like there is also another I/O port connection to the ic on pin 2 (RA3) with the white wire that is paired with the brown wire (a ground connection) that runs from the beige board to another board someplace? Where do the brown and white wires connect? Could the loose pink and black wires connect to the same area? Or could the loose wires maybe connect to U22, with the loose black wire soldered to U22 pin 12 (where the extra solder is) and could the loose pink wire with attached resistor maybe connect to either side of the diode that's at the end of the yellow wire connected to U22? I'm thinking that probably isn't it because of the way the loose wires are formed, close and parallel to each other, as if they were each connected to someplace not far apart.
This whole thing looks like an elaborate mod, possibly done by a professional shop, so as to add new game features to the machine. Maybe the owner knows the people that did the mod work and they could provide info that would help with where the wires connect? Are there any stickers on or inside the machine or the mpu board that show the name of a shop or slot business that might have worked on it?
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I zoomed into the picture I took of U22, and it looks like there is some solder on pin 1 as well as pin 12. Assuming black goes to pin 12, then pink would go to pin 1.
The pink, brown, and white braid goes to the 3-chip stack I posted a pic of earlier. Yellow wire goes to pin 2 of U22. Purple and black braid foes to a couple caps on the board - purple to the left side of C47 and black to the right side of C46. Orange and white wires go to a 2-pin molex that connects to another coming from the cabinet.
Don't see any labels on the board. I'll check inside the cabinet next time I get a chance.
If there is no objection (and I'll wait a bit to see if one pops up), I'll connect black to U22-12 and pink to U22-1, check and maybe change the battery, then hook it up and see what happens. If I have to do a Clear, what's the procedure on these?
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BTW - that yellow wire from U22-3 with the diode on it connects to the microcontroller on the beige board at pin 17 which lists as RA0.
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The orange wire at the molex connects to Pin 5 of the microcontroller, so that seems to be a ground connection. The white wire from the molex connects to Pin 2 of the microcontroller which is RA3. I'll correct the pin info in my last post.
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Hooked up the wires as described. Changed it the battery. Game turns on to a solid blue screen.
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Swapped out the 5v regulator (LM338K) with a known good one - still a solid blue screen.
If those two red LEDs on the back side of the cpu are supposed to be lit - they aren't.
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You were asking about a way to clear.. I beleave there is a switch on the ram board.. If I remember correct, you remove the MPU, then turn that switch off, then back on. Reinsert the MPU and power back on.. There should be a procedure here somewhere.
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Hooked up the wires as described. Changed it the battery. Game turns on to a solid blue screen.
I think those 3 stacked chips are what they call "Color Attribute Proms", they help create the graphic images seen on the screen. On the board near them it is written "CAP Prom". Looks like the mod to this machine's mpu board was to add the extra circuitry to run additional or newer game software than the machine came with originally. The mpu board had 1 CAP originally, this mod added 2 more.
This looks like your original mpu board before it was modified:
http://rudysdeals.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=3129&search=fortune (http://rudysdeals.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=3129&search=fortune)
and
http://rudysdeals.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=3700&search=igt+cpu (http://rudysdeals.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=3700&search=igt+cpu)
Not a Player's Edge, is a Fortune II as Amechanic said.
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Another idea is to contact Larry Weber at K-Lar, they are in Las Vegas, phone 702-363-9998. They are very experienced on these older machines, they may know about this mod and can give helpful information.
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Thanks. I'm wondering at this point if it might not be better to just return it back to it's original state to get it working.
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If you can do that, why not do it? Customer isn't gonna care as long as the machine works...
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If you can do that, why not do it? Customer isn't gonna care as long as the machine works...
What if the modification added some games that the customer likes and wants to continue playing? Replacing the mpu board with a standard one (or removing the mods from this one) may take away the customer's favorite game?
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Good point. Is there a way to find out for sure that's what the mod was for without having to fix it to find out?
I suppose the customer could provide a list of what games it had and it could be compaired to a list of games they normally had...
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Those Fortune II machines were only a single game. Usually Draw Poker, or a Deuces Wild. I've had a could of the over the years, and all were single game, 52 card decks.
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This is - or was - a Deuces Wild.
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Those Fortune II machines were only a single game. Usually Draw Poker, or a Deuces Wild. I've had a could of the over the years, and all were single game, 52 card decks.
I'm thinking that the mod that was done to this mpu board probably added the ability to play more than 1 game. That's why there are 3 of the Color Attribute Proms instead of just the usual 1 prom.
Also, notice they added 2 wires that run across the top of every eprom, making connections with 2 pins on each eprom. That's the type of thing you'd do when you use larger capacity eproms (to hold more software). Those 2 extra wires bring the extra address lines to each eprom that aren't there on the socket since the original eproms didn't use those higher order address lines. For example, the original eprom size might have been 64k, but with the 2 added address lines you can install 128k or even 256k eproms. You could store 4 times as much software as the original board had. Enough storage to add the software for multiple games. I'll bet that if you check the part number on those game software eproms you'll see that they are larger size eproms than what would usually be on a Fortune II mpu.
This is like someone figured out a way to install several games on this board and select the game you want to play. On the later machines like Player's Edge the mpu board has several game choices, right? Someone added that ability to this Fortune II mpu. What else could this mod be for?
If you can ask the customer what games the machine had and was there more than one that they could select from that would help to clear this question up. If the customer doesn't care about multiple games, just wants one favorite game to play then you can remove the mod or put another standard mpu in the machine.
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More likely a mod for coin less play or some kind of early player tracking system. Is there any kind of off board boxes inside the machine?
Did it come with a hopper or a coin in assembly? Are there additional wires attached to the switches?
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I stand corrected. This is a Jokers Wild machine. They lay mentioned how she wanted to play Deuces Wild again, so multiple games seems like the best guess.
Right now I'd just like to get it to boot up so I can see. Tried the RAM clear and that didn't help. Any other suggestions? I measure +5.05vdc at the chips so my +5 is there. Just a blue screen though.
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I stand corrected. This is a Jokers Wild machine. They lay mentioned how she wanted to play Deuces Wild again, so multiple games seems like the best guess.
Right now I'd just like to get it to boot up so I can see. Tried the RAM clear and that didn't help. Any other suggestions? I measure +5.05vdc at the chips so my +5 is there. Just a blue screen though.
Can the owner help by providing more information on this machine's history? If it was modified or worked on while she owned it maybe you can find out who did the work and talk to them. Or if she got the machine and it already had this mod maybe she can say where she got it and that previous owner can provide the info. Without a schematic or details about the mod work it will be tough trying to unravel. Do you think or does the owner think that those 2 loose wires are what caused it to stop working and if they can be reconnected to the right place all will be fine?
And it would be worth a try to call Larry at K-Lar to see what they say. They have seen a lot of machines and may have seen or heard about this mod. If so that could save a lot of time figuring things out.
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No I have never seen a mod like that and I doubt that a small 8 bit PIC microcontroller would have the ability to provide multiple games when the Fortune II needed over 10 EPROM's to generate one game.
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I'll see what I can find out. She said she got it from her father-in-law non-working and that her husband was "fiddling with it" when the two wires came loose "from somewhere". Not sure if the father-in-law is still living.
When it was dropped off, I did get something in the screen, but it was garbage and some of the words were upside down. I might try disconnecting those two wires again to see if I can get that again.
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If the board were to come into our shop (Larry's) the first thing I would do is remove that kludge and try to get a regular game out of it.
There are some DIP switches on the backplane board that may invert the video but I am not near my manuals right now.
We have a Fortune II tester to test the board on.
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Do you or anyone have a pinout of the edge connector? If I know what voltages to hook up and what pins are for inputs, video, etc, I could probably rig up something on my bench to see if I can get the board running.
What video frequency is it outputting - CGA, EGA, VGA, etc?
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We're at the point that the customer is okay with just buying anther working board and putting it in to make it work. We've found a working-when-pulled board online but it has no chips. I assume these PROMs are probably modified and won't work on a non-modified board, so what are our options? If we can find the necessary chips - 14 at my count - then we can pair them with the new board and have a working game. or if there is someplace to buy a working board already populated, that would work too - but I haven't found one yet.
Thoughts?
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Remove the chips from the old board and put them in the new board to see if they work.
The kludge I see may not be related to a software modification, the original chips should work in another board.
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I guess I'm concerned with whether they might have put larger ROMs on and put two different programs on it that the mods access. Like replacing a 512 with a 1024 so you can put two different 512 programs on the 1024 and access either using the mods. If that is the case, then pouring them into an unmodified board would still cause issues, right?
Since I don't know what an unmodified board should have, I can't compare.
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Step one. Get a modified board and try them.
Beyond that, if they don't work, PM me for a solution.
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What are you looking for, just the MPU, or the second tray too with the IO & Sound boards? I think I have a set or two here but not too sure of there condition of operation? I know they have all there IC's on them. If you need chip numbers from certain locations I might be able to help with that too..