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**Video Poker, Keno, Slots, 21** Gaming machines => WMS Williams Video => Topic started by: mr-monoxide on September 23, 2016, 01:10:25 PM
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I've recently been thinking of converting my BB1 3 reel to video. Is it as straightforward as removing the reels, installing a monitor and then connecting the vga and touch cable that are currently hooked to the little monitor in the door? Would dual screens be worth it? It has a NXT1 512 cpu with 650 processor.
Also, would a 20" Tatung monitor work? It looks like it should fit.
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A lot of dealers in the earlier days of the bb1 were doing the conversions to video as they were more popular and you could get more for them than the reel games. The conversion is not that difficult if you get all the right parts.
1. 19" bb1 monitor with harness, brackets and bezel. (Be careful, the original bb1's used 18" monitors and the brackets and bezel were different, so make sure you get a matched set)
2. You will need a "belly" glass and bracket to replace the area left behind by the old 6.4 inch monitor. You could also, just leave that monitor unplugged from the backplane, so you don't have to change any of the hardware on the belly door.
When you do the conversion, you will need to move the speaker grill up to the higher position. You will also need to remove the "offsets" that bring the bose speaker assembly down, so that it will now match the grill on the door. The bose speaker assembly will be flush against the bottom of the topbox. On a 3 reel machine, the speakers are about 1 inch below the topbox.
The reel shelf needs to be removed along with the reels. All the reel window hardware and glass needs to be removed as well in order to fit the lcd monitor there.
a 20" tatung monitor will not fit right, plus the touchscreen firmware is not wms, so it won't work. It is not an easy conversion, but it is well worth it if you don't already have a video bb1.
Dual screens will require additional mounting hardware and a tsetse flyboard. Original dual screen bb1 machines have a taller topbox than does a 16" top bb1 reel machine. I'm assuming your 3 reel machine is not a choptop? If it is, you will need to source a 16" top if you want to put a second monitor or even do the bb2 conversion.
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Well that sounds far more involved than I anticipated and will require a bit of planning on my end. Thanks for letting me know what it takes to convert. Would I have any issues with the cpu I currently have if I do switch over to video?
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It's the same mpu for video or reels. You can in fact play video titles on your machine on the 6.4" monitor. It will obviously look really small though, but it works. You can unplug power to the reels if you don't want to hear the reels constantly spinning.
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Ok, that helps me understand and definitely gives me some ideas. Thanks!
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2. You will need a "belly" glass and bracket to replace the area left behind by the old 6.4 inch monitor.
Can anyone provide a part # for the bracket mentioned in the quote above? I've found a few different ones and I'm not 100% on which one I need.
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Today I received the 19" monitor I'll be usuing when I convert over to video, it's a kristel lcd18-009. I was looking over the monitor and next to the vga I noticed a dvi port and I'm not sure what is supposed to connect to it. I think it may be for the touchscreen but the touchscreen harness that's in the machine now appears to have a serial connector. How do I make this connection? Is it as simple as using a dvi to vga adapter or do I need a new harness?
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The power and touchscreen are one connection. The DVI is not used on the bb1. You only use the vga port. So a total of 2 connections to the monitor.
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Ok if the touchscreen harness plugs into the vga port then how do I hook up the vga cable? The only other connection I see looks to be for a power harness, which I apparently still need to get.
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Here's a picture of what I'm working with.
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Here's a picture of what I'm working with.
It's been awhile since I worked on a BB1 video and I may be wrong but that appears to be a top monitor, no touch screen connection on it.
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Really? The vendor I bought it from listed it as a 19" lcd for wms bluebird 1 complete with touchscreen and controller". It was supposed to include the bezel and mounting brackets which they did not send and now it may be the wrong monitor too? :banghead: Gaaahhh! :banghead:
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kristel lcd18-009 is an 18", not 19". I just checked the manual for the BB1 and sure enough you have an 18" monitor. 19" is 19-001 according to the manual. Also, The power and touch screen are together on that white molex on the right side of the back of the monitor. So 2 connections are required. The VGA to the VGA port on the CPU and the Touch/Power to the Touch screen connection on the back plane.
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That's the correct monitor for the Bottom.
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Ok, I get it now. There touchscreen harness that's currently in my machine has a serial connector that hooks up to the monitor (the 6.2 monitor) not a molex, that's what was throwing me off. Looks like I'll be needing the correct harness, I just need to find out which one. Or is there an adapter?
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Just got a little good news, the vendor responded to my email and will be sending the bezel and mounting brackets they forgot to include. Caught a break there thankfully now I just need to track down this harness I need. Anybody got one? I posted an ad already.
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Holy Hasenpfeffer! There sure are a whole lot of OS out there for bluebirds. Is there a numerical "cut off" point for OS that are compatible with my cpu? ( i.e. OS up to X.XX will work with a 512 mb NXT1 cpu.) I've seen more games and OS out there than I could possibly imagine and I definitely want to be sure not to have any compatibility issues.
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Holy Hasenpfeffer! There sure are a whole lot of OS out there for bluebirds. Is there a numerical "cut off" point for OS that are compatible with my cpu? ( i.e. OS up to X.XX will work with a 512 mb NXT1 cpu.) I've seen more games and OS out there than I could possibly imagine and I definitely want to be sure not to have any compatibility issues.
The OS is specific to the game you are loading. There are different OS versions within each game family.
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I understand, but how do I know a bb2 game/os from a bb1 game/os if it doesn't specify? Will any non-dongle game work? I've been looking around and a lot of the descriptions simply state what's printed on the cf cards, they do not specify which bluebird they work with. Maybe I'm not quite getting it but I don't want to get a bb2 game/os that won't work with what I've got.
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I understand, but how do I know a bb2 game/os from a bb1 game/os if it doesn't specify? Will any non-dongle game work? I've been looking around and a lot of the descriptions simply state what's printed on the cf cards, they do not specify which bluebird they work with. Maybe I'm not quite getting it but I don't want to get a bb2 game/os that won't work with what I've got.
BB1/NXT-1 will play all SSOS and some of the SSSG games up to 512 MB. Some of the 512 mb games like Airplane are BB2/NXT-2 only. Any of the games 1 gb and higher will not play on a BB1.
BB2/NXT-2 will only play on SSSG, it does NOT support any SSOS games.
If you look at the OS families for SSOS you will see a family like G1.3, if your game calls for SSOS-000-1490 it will play on 1490 or newer OS G1.3 software so you are good with 1490, SSOS-14B0, SSOS-14C0, etc. This is the same with all other families in both SSOS and SSSG.
The OLED button decks are only supported on the H9 and H13 families and only in “newer†versions of the OS. For this Reason it is a good idea to run H9.26 or H9.27 for the H9 family and H13.35 for the H13 family.
On the H13 family be careful if you run any version newer than H13.35 as some of the software “locks†the OLED button deck software to a newer version of software and this limits the ability to go back to older OS that only supports older deck software.
With that said there is a newer version of OS like H13.471 that will unlock a locked deck.
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Ok, I think I've got it now. Thanks so much for the info!
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Alright, I think I've got everything I need to do this conversion on the way but I'm now wondering about my button deck. The deck currently installed has 14 buttons including the red hot hot jackpot button but I've noticed that video bb1's do not have that button so I'm concerned. Will everything work okay with the deck I have or will I need to change it out for a 13 button panel?
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Your deck is fine the way it is. If the game doesn't use the EBB then it ignores the extra button.
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Excellent, thank you very much!
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Dual screens will require additional mounting hardware and a tsetse flyboard. Original dual screen bb1 machines have a taller topbox than does a 16" top bb1 reel machine. I'm assuming your 3 reel machine is not a choptop? If it is, you will need to source a 16" top if you want to put a second monitor or even do the bb2 conversion.
What is a tsetse flyboard and where can I find the one I need?
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Still wondering what a tsetse flyboard is. I've looked around for info on it but haven't been able to find much. However I am now an expert on the Tsetse fly. Did you know the Tsetse fly is found in Africa and much like my ex-wife is a bloodsucker?... Anyway, still hoping somebody can fill me in on what a tsetse flyboard is. Thanks
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A TseTse flyboard is used on dual screen bb1 games. It basically runs the top monitor and software for the top graphics and animations. Here is a photo. Also used for some games that have special tops, it "fools" the system into thinking it is present.
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Thanks! The picture helps a lot. I'm asking all this because after searching for bb1 video title software it seems hard to find anything that comes with the matching full size top glass. I thought it would simplify things and open up a lot more options if I had dual monitors. Where would be a good source to find the board and associated parts?
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The Tse-Tse board only provides images on top screen for DUAL SCREEN BB1 titles. It won't put graphics up top on regular BB1 titles. That is a BB2 function. So that won't solve your problem with the glass.
There are a dozen or less DUAL SCREEN BB1 titles and all require the Tse board to run them. It's kind of like a mini cpu and video card that uses a 64 CF card as software specific to each DS game. Feeds video that corresponds with the specific game directly to the top monitor.
Hope this helps.
Steve
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Yes that helped greatly! And has definitely convinced me not to install a 2nd monitor. I guess I was thinking a bit too "bally" about how it worked. Thanks for clearing that up and saving me a lot of money, time and frustration.
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No Problem.
You will get to BB2 soon enough......................like we all did!! LOL
Steve
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Well it's finally all done and working. After following the instruction and advice given to me in this thread i was able to convert everything over with no problems. The only thing left is to find the correct top glass for it. The chop top glass is all i could find so i just made it work for the time being. Thanks so much for everyone that offered their knowledge and guidance, i couldn't have done it without you.
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Awesome, if you can't find the bigger top glass, you might have an easier time finding the chop top box, then you can just replace the top box and use the chop top glass you have. It has been my experience that the chop to glass kits are a lot easier to find than the tall glass kits. The round ones are really hard to find. I probably have around 30 chop top glass kits, but only like a pair of tall glass kits.
Of course you will need the top you have now when you convert that cabinet to a bb2. Hey look, what a coincidence that buzzarama is selling an oled panel and a bb2 mpu for a really good price. :stirthepot: :stirthepot: :stirthepot: :stirthepot:
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Yes I saw that he was selling those at a steal but with all my xmas shopping still to do I probably won't be able to take advantage of that unless he still has some available after the first of the year which I would presume is doubtful at that price.
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Yeah, I'd keep the large top box. You'll want to convert to a BB2...trust me. ;)
Congrats on the BB1 build! Looks great!
Jason
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Thanks I appreciate it.
I do have one minor question though. The game is using my hot hot jackpot button as a max bet button which I guess is kind of what it was to begin with. I wasn't sure if the game would even utilize it but since it does I would like to get the led's and the button to light up again. As I recall the only thing hooked up to the buttons circuit board was one of those yellow ethernet type cables that connected it directly to the reel control board. All of that's gone now so I'm not so sure how to go about getting the lights in it to work again. Any ideas?
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You are going to need some parts to re-enable that button. That panel is useful for the hot hot super respin games, hot hot penny, and instant winner games. Since you already have the button panel with the controller board, you only need the hub that provides power to it and the harness to power. I'm sure you have more than enough spn cables (you only need 2). Even with all the connections done, the leds will only light up with the games that use the button. It is controlled by the spn bus.
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Thanks for clearing that up for me. I guess I'll leave it like it is for the moment as I have a feeling a oled deck is in the near future.
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oled decks really only work with the bb2 mpu. The oled deck using a bb1 mpu is spotty at best and not worth your headache. Stick with that panel until you upgrade to bb2.
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Although I wasn't specific, converting to a bb2 is what I meant when I mentioned the oled deck. It'll be a little while before I finally commit to doing it but I'm sure it'll happen eventually.At the moment though I'm still fascinated by my newly created bb1 video, that should hold me over for a few weeks at least..
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The bb1 platform is really good. There are a couple hundred bb1 compatible titles available and are easy to find. I'm sure you will have a lot fun with it.
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Yes I've noticed many games out there for it that I would love to play I just wish there was a way around searching for glass to match. I wish I could just add a monitor up top and it would display the glass graphics the same way my bally alphas do but I now know that's not really an option.
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Yes I've noticed many games out there for it that I would love to play I just wish there was a way around searching for glass to match. I wish I could just add a monitor up top and it would display the glass graphics the same way my bally alphas do but I now know that's not really an option.
Actually, if you add a media player with a top screen it's pretty easy to use graphics to make it look good.
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I second the media player option. Plus if you do that, you are 1/3 of the way for your bb2 conversion.
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This is the grail for that game!
Thanks,
Jason
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So is the media player different from using the tsetse board set up or is that another name for the same thing? If it's different then how so?
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So is the media player different from using the tsetse board set up or is that another name for the same thing? If it's different then how so?
The TSE is used for dual screen games, you can buy and add a media player with a VGA output cheap (ebay?) and use that for single screen games with the graphic of your choice.
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Ok you've definitely peaked my interest. Would you mind explaining how to do this, or is there a thread somewhere that already tells how to do it?
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Ok you've definitely peaked my interest. Would you mind explaining how to do this, or is there a thread somewhere that already tells how to do it?
Here is just one example of a media player:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Full-HD-1080P-Media-Audio-Video-Player-AV-VGA-USB-RMVB-MKV-SD-SDHC-AVI-RM-/171474382397?hash=item27ecab6e3d:g:wiQAAOSwDk5UJChB (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Full-HD-1080P-Media-Audio-Video-Player-AV-VGA-USB-RMVB-MKV-SD-SDHC-AVI-RM-/171474382397?hash=item27ecab6e3d:g:wiQAAOSwDk5UJChB)
Right now your TSE board (if you have one) uses a VGA output, just like many computers use to send the signal to their monitors.
I use an A/B switch to switch between the vga output of the TSE or the vga output of the media player for the image on the top screen.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Monitor-to-2-Port-VGA-SVGA-Manual-Sharing-Switch-Switcher-Selector-Box-/311675292693?hash=item48914b8c15:g:g0IAAOSwcLxYD~Bx (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Monitor-to-2-Port-VGA-SVGA-Manual-Sharing-Switch-Switcher-Selector-Box-/311675292693?hash=item48914b8c15:g:g0IAAOSwcLxYD~Bx)
It’s pretty simple, find or make an image file, put it on a USB stick, plug the stick into the media player and send the image to the top screen.
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If you have an old laptop you are not using, you can use that as well.
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Here is a short thread on that topic.
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=11329.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=11329.0)
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Perfect, I have a few monitors I'm not using and I just bought the media player. What you said to do in that respect sounds simple enough but I'm curious where you're finding the images at? Will any photo do?
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Any image will do, just format it 800x600 if using a 4:3 monitor or 1366x768 if you are using a widescreen monitor.
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Excellent, I'll let you know how it goes...
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OK, I've got the media player and monitor installed. As you can see in the photo I went a slightly different direction and ended up using a 18" monitor up top mostly because it was easy to mount it in the given space and because I had another bb1 monitor bezel that fit too perfectly not to use it. What do you guys think? Good, bad or ugly?
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OK, I've got the media player and monitor installed. As you can see in the photo I went a slightly different direction and ended up using a 18" monitor up top mostly because it was easy to mount it in the given space and because I had another bb1 monitor bezel that fit too perfectly not to use it. What do you guys think? Good, bad or ugly?
Looks good, nothing wrong with that.
Now you can change the display to match whatever game is installed in the machine, a lot easier than buying glass for each game.
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Looks good, nothing wrong with that.
Now you can change the display to match whatever game is installed in the machine, a lot easier than buying glass for each game.
Thanks. i really appreciate the suggestion about the media player, it was super simple to do. I have a widescreen monitor that I'll probably install one day but for now I'm okay with it as it is.
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Looks great :yes:
That really finishes off your machine!
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Looks like a bb1.5. All you need is the cpunxt2 mpu.
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Looks like a bb1.5. All you need is the cpunxt2 mpu.
Yeah I'll most likely pick up a nxt2 within the next year.