Author Topic: New Problem for Players Edge Poker (Read 17702 times)

Hiram · « **Reply #20 on:** October 13, 2018, 09:42:03 PM »

That's great news !! Thanks Brian ...I just took the pictures so , here they are anyway ..plus it doesn't look like this machine has paid out very well ..I have a Scrooge Poker game LOL ..I bet which ever Casino had this game liked it

Hiram · « **Reply #21 on:** October 13, 2018, 09:50:08 PM »

Here's another pic of the Play Screen and you can see how I still have to somehow reach back and adj the focus a little. But it is still messing up the pay outs. If I play one game and win say 10 coins , I can hit cashout and get the 10 coins ---but if I use the double down option and win 20 coins - it will again offer the double down , if I say NO ...it will put only 10 coins in the credits and a message appears on the bottom saying I was paid the other 10 coins ..but I was not paid those 10 , it won't spit them out and the hopper doesn't even start up. The Hopper setting page says 1000

rokgpsman · « **Reply #22 on:** October 13, 2018, 09:58:24 PM »

According to your photo showing the stat screen for the game software chips your game software is called "PP0728". As you can see in BrianT's PE+ spreadsheet below your game has a player win percentage of about 91%. That's a lower payout percentage, below average, there are versions of DB with higher percentages. The spreadsheet also shows the chip numbers for the rest of the chips that make up this PP0728 Double Bonus Poker game. You could get a different version of Double Bonus Poker that has a higher player win percentage, up to about 100.2%, that would just involve replacing an eprom or two.

rokgpsman · « **Reply #23 on:** October 13, 2018, 10:11:04 PM »

When you were stepping thru the menu screens by pressing the WHITE test button did you see a menu screen with something about credit mode or non-credit mode?

Hiram · « **Reply #24 on:** October 13, 2018, 10:16:24 PM »

I don't remember ...I can check it out later and take a pic. You think the credit mode might be messing up when I double down ? Also ...You said the 91% is below average ..what payout would be normal for this machine ? I'd like it to be the same as what they typically use in Casinos. It wouldn't be much fun if it won all the time right ?

Is it easy for me to change it ?

rokgpsman · « **Reply #25 on:** October 13, 2018, 10:53:42 PM »

I don't know why your machine is paying out partially when you win the double-up game but maybe it has to do with one of the settings in the TEST menus.

On the list of Double Bonus Poker games for the PE+ machine there are a variety of different payback percentages, up to about 100.2% for the highest I saw. They are all normal, over the years different casinos in different locations ordered whatever payback percentage they wanted that fit with their casino operation. So there are several for you to choose from. But even with the versions with a high percentage the player does not win all the time, just more often.

You're right that you wouldn't want to win all the time, no fun in that. But somewhere around 95% is a good spot from what I've experienced. However, if you are happy with your game's percentage that's all that matters. Changing to a DB poker game with a higher percentage would be done by changing out 1 or 2 chips, they are in sockets so can be changed easily.

sixcardmark · « **Reply #26 on:** October 13, 2018, 11:06:22 PM »

Payback percentages don't work the same with poker games as they do with slots. The different payback % is done by increasing the amount you win for certain hands like a full house, etc. You can punch up the see pays scale and tell what % it is set at if you know what to look for. 91% is prob what it was in casino for quarter machine.
Black jack is a little different, lower payback machines will reduce options like, not let you split, double down, etc.

rokgpsman · « **Reply #27 on:** October 14, 2018, 07:50:26 AM »

Actually there are Double Bonus poker machines all over Las Vegas that are well above 91%, even on the Strip at places like MGM and others. And downtown on Fremont St (Four Queens, Main St Station, etc) plus the off-strip places like Arizona Charlie's, Orleans, Sam's Town you can find DB vp machines that are the 100.2% paytables. The $1 and higher machines tend to have the higher paytables but even the quarter machines have decent percentages quite a bit higher than 91%.

https://www.vpfree2.com/casinos/by-region/las-vegas

Hiram · « **Reply #28 on:** October 14, 2018, 08:29:41 AM »

I mentioned this to Lisa and , she asked what it would cost to change the % and , where can we find the chips ? If it's only 2 chips to change and they have sockets , I could handle that ---I think she likes the machine now !! lol

Amechanic · « **Reply #29 on:** October 14, 2018, 08:38:44 AM »

Isnâ€™t it funny how they tend to grow on the people who didnâ€™t want them 🧐🤔..

Poker programming chips tend to be a little harder to find then the regular slot machine ones, but Iâ€™m sure someone can help like Jim at MidWest Slot, or Alan out at KLar.

sixcardmark · « **Reply #30 on:** October 14, 2018, 08:52:14 AM »

I haven't been to Vegas in over 25 years LOL. Back then most all $1 slots on the strip were 98%. Big billboards everywhere.

On a superstar poker game king all poker games have different ranges. Most don't go lower than 93% and only a handful go over 100%. Most games that will go over 100% all involve wild cards I think. I will have to take a look. Either way your not going to win or loose any more hands or get dealt any different cards, so for home use it's really no big deal.

sixcardmark · « **Reply #31 on:** October 14, 2018, 09:03:26 AM »

OK on superstar poker there are only 4 choices for double bonus poker:

100.18
99.10
97.80
96.38

So 91% is pretty bad. I need to look and see what my pe+ double bonus poker game is set to. I guess I need to get chip number to find out?? I have a multi-poker pe+ would chip be same as Hiram's?

rokgpsman · « **Reply #32 on:** October 14, 2018, 09:11:23 AM »

Quote from: sixcardmark on October 14, 2018, 08:52:14 AM

I haven't been to Vegas in over 25 years LOL. Back then most all $1 slots on the strip were 98%. Big billboards everywhere.

On a superstar poker game king all poker games have different ranges. Most don't go lower than 93% and only a handful go over 100%. Most games that will go over 100% all involve wild cards I think. I will have to take a look. Either way your not going to win or loose any more hands or get dealt any different cards, so for home use it's really no big deal.

I agree that for home play the lower percentages don't make a tremendous difference. But just knowing that I had a 91% machine and could have a 98% would drive me crazy.

rokgpsman · « **Reply #33 on:** October 14, 2018, 09:14:01 AM »

Quote from: sixcardmark on October 14, 2018, 09:03:26 AM

....So 91% is pretty bad. I need to look and see what my pe+ double bonus poker game is set to.

An easy way is to bring up the software screen on the PE+ machine (by turning the jackpot reset switch a few times), get the "PPxxxx" number (or "XMxxxx" number for multi-poker chipsets) and then look it up in BrianT's wonderful spreadsheet. That spreadsheet is attached to his FAQ below:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=2547.msg12717#msg12717

(or you can look at the label on the game chip on the mpu of course)

Quote from: sixcardmark on October 14, 2018, 09:03:26 AM

OK on superstar poker there are only 4 choices for double bonus poker:

100.18
99.10
97.80
96.38

So 91% is pretty bad. I need to look and see what my pe+ double bonus poker game is set to. I guess I need to get chip number to find out?? I have a multi-poker pe+ would chip be same as Hiram's?

On the multi-poker chips sets they use a slightly different naming method, I think it is something like "XMxxxx". But BrianT's spreadsheet has several tabs at the bottom for looking up the various types of software so you should be able to find it in there. And if you have one that isn't listed in his spreadsheet he'd like to hear from you so he can get it added.

sixcardmark · « **Reply #34 on:** October 14, 2018, 09:17:05 AM »

Here is pic of my pay scale:

sixcardmark · « **Reply #35 on:** October 14, 2018, 09:38:27 AM »

Here is pay set at 99.1% so you can see the difference:

rokgpsman · « **Reply #36 on:** October 14, 2018, 09:55:21 AM »

Did you find out the game's software number for your Double Bonus game in your 1st photo?

sixcardmark · « **Reply #37 on:** October 14, 2018, 10:37:25 AM »

Have to dload office software.

I have XM00005P data
XMP00020 game

rokgpsman · « **Reply #38 on:** October 14, 2018, 10:47:26 AM »

I think the XMP00020 chip is a companion chip, works with the XM00005P chips, the percentage is set by the XM00005P chips.

sixcardmark · « **Reply #39 on:** October 14, 2018, 11:00:00 AM »

So the 97% xm chip won't help the OP? He needs a higher pp chip?

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