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Title: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on August 25, 2018, 09:22:48 PM
Can someone please tell me where this loose wire goes to? the only light that works on my slot machine is the fluorescent tube, none of the other lights work, tried using a jumper wire but no luck.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on August 25, 2018, 09:30:54 PM
Can’t tell much with the coin mech still installed. My guess it was attached to a door screw or one there holding the coin mech housing to the door. Check your fuses located on the back wall behind the hopper. I wouldn’t attach the wire until you checked it for power. Could be why your lights don’t work.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on August 28, 2018, 09:15:42 AM
I've seen machine that had a wire from the lock out coil grounded to the door/case. Not sure what for and why it didn't blow a fuse.
All 6 volt lights are out check the fuse and the wire related to the fuse holder.
If its just the door lights check the white molex plugs near the door hinge.
Moving the wires and pushing the molex plug and socket together sometimes solves problems on the door.

Use caution as there is 110 volts running the fluorescent light transformers.   
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: rdaniel on August 28, 2018, 11:03:29 AM
I remember someone telling me that that third wire going to the lockout coil was meant to prevent cheating. If someone tried to defeat the coin acceptor, it would short out the machine and go dead. Hopefully I remembered the story as presented to me.

rdaniel
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on August 29, 2018, 08:24:27 PM
I have lights, first coin light is on without putting a nickel in, nickels still fall through, it was making a humming sound and shutting off, i taped the coin switch and now it stays on. Bottom flourescent lights are blinking on and off
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on August 29, 2018, 09:19:10 PM
The first coin lights will be on. As should be the insert coin light. Your top box lights will stay lit till the next play. So if you played 3 coins, that will stay lit till the next play. When you insert your first coin it should go back to first coin. As for the humming, that either the scavenger coin behind the coin mech, or the coin diverter coin under the coin switch. Sounds light your games going to need to be cleaned, oiled and greased. You might have to end up cleaning the coin switch connections on the left side of the reels. That’s the lower contacts.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on August 29, 2018, 09:44:36 PM
Great, making progress.

It’s good to post resolutions to problems as to help others who might have the same situation.
So what was the problem with the no lights?

Fluorescent lamp or starter maybe weak.
Starters are small grey metal cylinders. Each fluorescent light has one. Remove by twisting 1/4 turn.
Swapping starters would eliminate one or the other without taking the front of the machine apart.
The machine should be off when swapping starters.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 08, 2018, 04:11:41 PM
I have no idea what was wrong with the lights, i didnt do anything to fix them, they just came on. so my problem now is coins still just fall through to the tray at the bottom. Thank you every one for help, if i can get this fixed i will be glade to make a donation. Also, does anyone know a good place to get parts for my Bally 809? Thank you
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Jon on September 08, 2018, 04:40:10 PM
What parts do you need for that machine
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on September 08, 2018, 05:37:24 PM
Have you tried to flick the coin switch right under the coin mech? You should hear a click or thud as the stepper unit advances.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on September 08, 2018, 05:40:53 PM
On the inside of the door at the bottom of the coin mechanism is a coin switch.
Gently press the wire down to simulate a coin. This may reset the machine. If the machine is in running order the handle can be pulled.
 
If the coin still drops to the tray. Could be the coin lock out is out of order.
With the machine door open place your ear near door inside.
Plug or switch the machine on. There should be a distinct click sound.
If you don't hear it then there is a malfunction with the coin lock out.
Post a close up photo of the coin mechanism with plenty of lighting.
One photo with machine on another with machine off. 
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 09, 2018, 05:14:00 PM
Heres pictures the coin switch, and would like to know if that resister should be there? Thank you
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on September 09, 2018, 05:19:30 PM
That’s the correct original resistor
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 09, 2018, 05:27:47 PM
Picture with machine off, can here clicking sound when i push down the little wire and can pull handle to spin the wheels, coin still falls through. i saw the crappy solder job and thought someone  put it on there
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 09, 2018, 05:37:35 PM
There was a noise when i just plugged it in, as for parts, im waiting to hear back from someone but its been 5 days now. I need a star for the hopper, a ramp switch (E 106-92) a lockout coil (M-37-2700) and a belly glass (g-350- series) or M-1370- series) for my Bally 809-8ZD.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Jon on September 09, 2018, 05:56:32 PM
The hopper store stirrer is readily available on eBay depending on where you live you should probably get it in 2 days the ramps which I'm sure I've got a door I can pull one off of and I am sure I have a lockout coil what part of the world are you in and we will discuss shipping and cost in the next week I'm going to open up another 500 pieces of glass I have boxed up in storage I moved here two and a half years ago and have not opened up all of my glass I'm sure I will have something really cool for your belly glass for that machine take a picture of the ID tag will look and see if it was from a specific Casino I might even have glass for that place
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on September 09, 2018, 05:59:58 PM
There is a adjusting screw missing.
This controls the speed of the coin.
Any machine screw with the correct threads will work.
Appropriate length .625 - .750
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Jon on September 09, 2018, 06:07:33 PM
Very good eye Dave for an old man you must have a good magnifying glass on your computer monitor yes that's crew will cause it not to accept the coin properly
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 09, 2018, 07:53:02 PM
Nope the screw is in there.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on September 09, 2018, 08:36:16 PM
Just replaced a screw like that a few days ago. To hard to adjust. If you put a slot head screw in its place, it will be a lot easier to adjust. As this can be a very fine adjustment in some cases as small as 1/8 turn.
On the other side of the the mechanism there is a coin diverting adjustment. Most or the time they are chrome plated, but rarely need adjustment. Check to see if it’s still on the mechanism.
Also, if the door is open, the angle of the door will cause the coin to pass into the tray.
Sometimes a little compressed air will help clean the unit.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on September 09, 2018, 08:48:02 PM
I think his scavenger coil is not energized and that’s why it’s rejecting the coins.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 17, 2018, 03:08:23 PM
Not sure the name of it?, but the coin slide thing that is attached to the coin diverter is rattling. Is there anyway to adjust it?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on September 17, 2018, 04:01:16 PM
I used a emery board, the same style you use to file your nails. Put it behind the metal plate and in front of the coil with the power turned off. Them push the metal plate to hold pressure on the emery board and file up and down and little at a time to clean up the two surfaces. I also have tightened up the return spring a little. Everyone tends to be a little different. Some are quiet, others might still have a little buzzing.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 22, 2018, 10:56:06 AM
So how do i test the lockout coil? I think its bad and that is why the coins just drop through. And how do i make a donation?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on September 22, 2018, 11:13:55 AM
If you own a voltage meter you can test the coil for resistance.. Does your look like it’s gotten hot? As for making a donation to the sight, you can find a link at the bottom of every page. See pic.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on September 24, 2018, 06:17:12 PM
Posted photo of coil similar to lock out.
Check the copper wires on your coil, sometime there are very fine cracks or loose connections.
There are after market coils, can't remember the name of the company at this moment.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 24, 2018, 06:18:15 PM
With my voltage meter on AC i'm getting a reading of 52 volts, but the lockout coil doesn't move
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on September 24, 2018, 09:09:22 PM
Check for the slightest bit of resistance and or continuity in the coil.
Also that it is insulated when it’s installed. The screw in the back is also insulated.
I don’t think it would be poor insulation as the coil would buzz, but strange things sometimes happen.
Those small copper wire may appear to connected to the solder joint,
but just a hairline crack will keep the coil from working.
Test the coil out of the machine by applying 52 vac and hold a metal object near the two metal post.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 25, 2018, 02:12:17 PM
No it doesn't look like it got hot. I'm not sure how i can put 52 vac to it? And should my meter be on AC or on DC to test it?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on September 25, 2018, 02:15:56 PM
If you do a continuity test with the power turned off, that will tell us if the coils good or not.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 25, 2018, 02:27:06 PM
Just put them volt meter on continuity and what do i turn the dials to? Also that loose yellow wire is soldered to the orange wire on the lockout coil, and can i get the coil out by unscrewing the coin mech. box? or do to have to take out the belly glass to get it off?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Jon on September 25, 2018, 03:02:05 PM
Okay to start I do not know what meter you have
So post a picture of your meter and then I will make a video testing that coil so you can see the resistance with as close to the meter you're using as I have I will attempt to tell you where to set the meter out I have changed very few of those actual coils I started with these old machines in the early 80s in South Lake Tahoe I have done a lot of them I have a lot of them at my home it is usually a bad switch not a bad coil if the machine is functioning properly without the coil remove the Armature and play it for a while make sure it is working properly only try to fix one problem at a time get the machine working first one problem at a time I can talk you through one thing at a time not 10 I'll see what I can do
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 25, 2018, 04:10:00 PM
volt meter
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on September 25, 2018, 05:17:58 PM
Photo for previous post.
Seldom do you find cracked coil wire leads. But need to eliminate the possibility of broken leads as to not be spending a lot of time for nothing.
You can check continuity with a low voltage battery and light.     
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on September 25, 2018, 05:23:34 PM
Myself, I built a power supply for testing equipment, Volts AC, fuses, relays and bulbs.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on September 25, 2018, 05:57:18 PM
David you are amazing..  :nerd: :cool_thumb_up: :hail:  That’s Tester looks like it could have been a kit you buy and build, but you built that from scratch. Very cool. 👍
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on September 25, 2018, 06:29:47 PM
Thanks Gary,
I use to just use an old transformer and clip on the 110 volts, but very unsafe.
Had the idea in my head for a long time which gave me time to redesign before I came up with a final concept. Didn’t take long to build, but the time frame was about a month of piecing it together.
Only a few new parts the rest was stuff laying around the shop, but put together became useful.


Just finished a rodent launcher  I’m calling it “Rat Mobile”
Think it’s to off subject for this site. If I post a video on YouTube I’ Let you know.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on September 25, 2018, 07:26:25 PM
Just finished a rodent launcher  I’m calling it “Rat Mobile”
Think it’s to off subject for this site. If I post a video on YouTube I’ Let you know.

Sounds interest if not humorist. 
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: rokgpsman on September 25, 2018, 07:40:44 PM
.....Just finished a rodent launcher,  I’m calling it “Rat Mobile”. Think it’s too off subject for this site. If I post a video on YouTube I’ll Let you know.


You can post about the Rat Mobile in the forum below, it's pretty much 'anything-goes' in there:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=16.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=16.0)
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 25, 2018, 08:29:47 PM
That tester you built is very amazing, pretty cool shit. I mighty have something i can use as a power supply, i just thought of it. A power supply i used for tattooing.  And i donated 20$ today for all your guys help. thank you for your time.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: rokgpsman on September 25, 2018, 08:35:17 PM
.....And i donated 20$ today for all your guys help. thank you for your time.

:cool_thumb_up:
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Jon on September 26, 2018, 03:50:28 AM
I will go out to the shop in a little while when the sun comes up and check what the resistance is supposed to be this is where you should set your meter
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 26, 2018, 04:16:11 PM
I took the armature off today and it does look like the lockout coil did get hot. Was gonna get one from K LAR but it wouldn't show up on his web page when i went to it, gonna get it someplace else, but charging me $45, would of been $19 from K LAR.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 26, 2018, 04:24:04 PM
Also, dropped a nickle in to see if i could pull the handle and it only registered 1 nickle on the top lights, and when i pulled the handle the top lights went out?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on September 26, 2018, 04:53:03 PM
I took the armature off today and it does look like the lockout coil did get hot. Was gonna get one from K LAR but it wouldn't show up on his web page when i went to it, gonna get it someplace else, but charging me $45, would of been $19 from K LAR.
You should have called KLar to get your part, or at least posted a WTB ad in the classified. Heck I just found one on EBay for $19.99 + $4.50 shipping. I’d see if I could cancel that other one for $45.00!!!
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on September 26, 2018, 08:34:05 PM
I’ll get the name for after market coils. That coil would be around $10 to 15 at the most.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on September 26, 2018, 08:41:34 PM
I have a bunch here.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on September 26, 2018, 08:57:00 PM
That’s why he can find the coil Gary.
You and Jon have them all.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on September 26, 2018, 09:01:04 PM
That’s why he can find the coil Gary.
You and Jon have them all.

I never saw him ask for one? I’d gladly helped. Last think I saw was that he had voltage, but had not check the continuity of the coil.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on September 26, 2018, 09:17:58 PM
I haven’t seen every coil, but the coil doesn’t look right for the application.
Going to check in the morning.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on September 26, 2018, 09:40:25 PM
It should be a M37-2700 or something like that. It a thin coil.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 27, 2018, 03:57:52 PM
Yep, that's the one M-37-2700. So on the continuity test i turn the power off on the slot machine, I put the volt meter on continuity turned the top dial to 3000 the bottom dial to K and the ohm sign and 320.0 comes ohm the volt meter screen with the 3 flashing, now do i just touch the wires on the coil? If so, it beeps and 237.9, but then it goes down to 236.4
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 27, 2018, 10:29:43 PM
I did say i needed parts for my slot machine on the first page of this topic, and Jon asked my what parts i needed and i posted the parts i was looking for and Jon said he had the stuff i was looking for, but i forgot to let him know where i lived. ( Sacramento ) Sorry Jon. Still need a ramp switch ( E-106-92 ) 5 cent and heavier coins. I could not find any lockout coils on ebay, and i did talk to Alan at K LAR but he said i couldnt order it over the phone. It's no big deal.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on September 27, 2018, 11:36:38 PM
Sorry I missed it. It’s actually called a scavenger coil. If you type that in at EBay it shows up.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 28, 2018, 11:12:30 AM
The parts list i have says lockout coil, so that is what i was looking for, not knowing it has another name, thank you. can anyone tell me about the continuity test? I posted what happened when i did it, would like to know if i did it right or not? And if thats what it should read? Thank you
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 28, 2018, 11:16:47 AM
The coil on my slot machine doesnt look right ( David Lee )? Got this today, so hopefully it will help me.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on September 28, 2018, 11:48:29 AM
Why do you think your coils not correct? The scavenger coil or lock out coil is only about 1/2” to fit behind the coin mech. It’s the only coil in the machine this size.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on September 28, 2018, 02:57:40 PM
One way to test a coil is by activating it with the correct voltage or something close with in 10 volts.
In your case the coil should be disconnected. Clip a yellow wire on one side and the orange on the other.
These can be obtained from yellow and orange wires in the machine, an old bally transformer or a power supply made for testing.
If the coil is good it will pull a screw driver on to the metal core.

NOTE This can be done in the machine, but if the coil is not getting power you will get a false negative result. 
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 28, 2018, 04:46:02 PM
I'm sorry i need to learn how to word things better, It was supposed to be a question to DavidLee because he said the coil doesn't look right for the application, so i wanted to know if he meant my coil?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on September 28, 2018, 05:09:53 PM
I'm sorry i need to learn how to word things better, It was supposed to be a question to DavidLee because he said the coil doesn't look right for the application, so i wanted to know if he meant my coil?

Ok Tat2Dave... I’m gone... You and Davidlee can figure this out.  See yea 👋.. :wave:
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on September 28, 2018, 08:29:45 PM
Your coil is fine, looked a little different than I remembered in the photo.
Sorry for any confusion.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 28, 2018, 08:45:38 PM
I'm not trying to get any one mad because i am very greatful for everyone's help, and would like everyone to still help me get my slot machine running again. I got it for my Mom before she passed away, and everything worked on it when i gave it to her. It got sold and i just got it back a couple of months ago. So it is special to me and i want to fix it up and make it look nice. I need all the help i can get, and i'll donate again when i can. Thank you.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 29, 2018, 09:56:40 AM
I wasn't able to take the coil out and put power to it, but i did plug it back in and put a piece of metal by it and it did not pull it towards it.  The orange wire going to the coil is the hot one right? That yellow wire comes off of it so it shouldn't touch metal right?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on September 29, 2018, 02:04:36 PM
The coil may not be getting power. There are a few switch/contacts between the coin in switch and the coil.

If anyone of these switches in the path are dirty or out of adjustment it could be part of the problem.

See attached 809 schematic.

Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on September 30, 2018, 09:37:21 AM
I can't really do anything about the coil until i get one monday, i did test it with the volt meter on AC and it said 52 volts.  When  i put the top shelf glass back in it's really really hard to get it in, i have to push the left side of the tray that holds the lights and stuff in really far to get the window frame to slide down, and now the top shelf lights don't work. If the frame and glass isn't on there i can adjust the tray and the lights will work. Any suggestions on what to do and how to fix that?   Thank you
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on September 30, 2018, 11:33:46 AM
Top unit may have a bent beau plug pin or there is a foreign object keeping it from going back all the way.
Glass should slide up and off fairly easy.
Sometime the latching mechanisms are out of alignment thus making it harder to re-install.

Slightly moving individual units Hopper, reel and top unit will sometimes solve a connection problem. 
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 01, 2018, 10:52:03 AM
I'm gonna replace the lockout coil (scavenger) on my 809. Can someone please tell me what i should do about that loose yellow wire that is attached to the orange wire going to the coil?     Thank you
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 01, 2018, 01:01:25 PM
Does anyone have a Bally E-108-92 coin switch they can sell me for my Bally 809 nickle slot machine?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 02, 2018, 11:57:28 AM
No more help?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Jon on October 02, 2018, 12:05:10 PM
If no one steps up pretty quick I will pull one off a door in the game room I know I have a couple of hundred brand new in one of 500 boxes of parts by brought with me I don't have anything organized yet it is a freaking disaster as I find parts I ship them to people that have been asking for them for years I'm sure someone has one they'll sell you cheap a whole lot better than eBay some of those people are crazy
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 02, 2018, 01:02:19 PM
What’s wrong with the switch that was on the machine?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 02, 2018, 01:36:09 PM
This thread of problems seems to be going no where... You need to fix one problem at a time. The scavenger coil is not nessessary at this time. You can test your game by just flicking the coin switch. If you try playing one or more coins does the handle release so you can pull the handle? Is the handle hard to pull? That’s a sign of a sticky air cylinder. Fix one thing then move to the next problem. Throwing money and parts at a machine is not how to fix it. 
If you go to the post from Jon, he has a link to his Facebook page. There you will find how to videos.

Gary
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 03, 2018, 11:41:54 AM
Thank you, that's what i needed. I can flick the coin switch and pull he handle, reels spin and everything. It does not register a second or third coin and so on. One of the posts on my coin switch broke off, that's why i need a new coin switch. I put a new scavenger coil on yesterday, and it did not help. The handle pulls real easy. What should i try next?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Jon on October 03, 2018, 01:13:35 PM
Okay p.m. me on here or on Facebook and I will get one off a door and send it to you send me your address your name zip code all that happy crap all three wires need to be on for the Step Up unit to step up
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 03, 2018, 01:44:26 PM
The trouble shooting guide i have says something about dashpot switch might be open (pull dashpot arm forward), not sure where the dashpot switch is at?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Jon on October 03, 2018, 01:53:03 PM
The dash Parts which is on the air solenoid on the right side of the real machine it is a grade tube about 1 inch around about 7 in Long towards the back of the real machine there is a switch if that are tube cylinder is sticky you must take it apart and clean it it should work freely and smoothly if you do not have the manual for this machine I recommend going to my Facebook page going down and finding the e m Manuel or you can make a contribution here and download it from the file structure here either way you need that manual so we're both on the same page and I can talk you through repairs and while you're on my Facebook page look for the video number one it starts off a little slow but the guy is a heck of a tech he's been in the business a long time retired out of it and he knows what he's doing watch the video it'll get you through most of your initial problems with this machine even I learn something every time I watch it
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 03, 2018, 02:54:35 PM
This right here? I grabbed the lever that is attached to the spring and it moves freely. i'll check out that video on your facebook page. The video wont play, it just spins and spins. I already have that Bally E M manual and have been looking at it.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 03, 2018, 03:18:43 PM
This is the dash pot switch. Make sure the contacts are closed and making a good connection. I like to clean contacts with rubbing alcohol and a folded piece of paper or s q-tip if the contact opens wide enough. You don’t want to bend these switches. This is another good place to use your meter to check the Continuity of the contacts. They may look closed but are they transferring voltage? These are a silver tip contact that can tarnish and loose it Ability to transfer voltage.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Jon on October 03, 2018, 03:20:40 PM
Like I said send me a message with your address etc etc I will send you a switch and yes that is the part and the switch behind it looks good
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 03, 2018, 05:10:16 PM
Re the coin in switch. In a pinch those small thin terminals on the switch can be extended.
By carving out around the area that is broken off to expose enough of the remaining terminal to solder a solid piece of copper wire.
Make it at least 1/4 to 3/8s inches long and out of a number 14 or 16 gauge wire. The tricky part is soldering on the old wires without
disturbing the terminal solder joint. This will be fragile, but if successful your temporary back in business.

According to the attached schematic there is just one relay/switch between the coin in switch and the odds unit step up coil.
This relay is clearly marked if the original marking is still in place. Most likely located on the back of the odds unit in the upper cabinet.
Try cleaning the contacts related to this relay and inspect it for proper function.

If you go on YouTube and type in odds unit. You can see the workings of a step up relay.

The blue line follows the circuit that controls the odds unit step up.

 
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 04, 2018, 10:22:31 AM
Used some rubbing alcohol and paper to clean the contacts, they were pretty dirty. One of the metal things looks like it's turned a little so the silver contact might not be making good contact against it?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 04, 2018, 10:30:34 AM
On all the pictures I've seen of other Bally 809 slot machines i haven't seen a resistor coming off of the coin switch like the one on my slot machine. The resistor goes from the coin switch to the coin diverter. And i dont see one on any of the wiring diagrams i have? Should it be on there does any one know?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Jon on October 04, 2018, 10:43:59 AM
I would probably use something a little more aggressive than alcohol 600 grit wet dry sandpaper as far as the resistor yes it belongs there it keeps the point on the switch in the switch on the hopper from flashing and burning up
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Paul on October 04, 2018, 11:16:14 AM
You don't want to use sandpaper on those contacts as the
silver plating is very thin and then the brass underneath will burn away.
The old slot technician trick is alcohol and a dollar bill.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Jon on October 04, 2018, 11:22:51 AM
That would be very unusual prior to 78 that you solder silver contacts on almost all switches on these machines they are not plated they are solid I have taken apart thousands of the switch contacts when silver was very high and sent them in I think I said in over 200 oz of silver contacts none of them were plated all newer things are plated but the old ones were solid silver clean them reface them make them look good
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 04, 2018, 11:26:11 AM
Should i straighten the arm that is turned a little? and there was continuity when i tested it.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 04, 2018, 12:29:53 PM
If it read good with the meter then leave them alone. You can create a bigger headache. When checking for continuity alway use you meter where the wires are soldered on as not to put more pressure on the contact. If you assist the contact you can get a false reading.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 04, 2018, 02:06:02 PM
That's where i checked for continuity at, the solder points.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 05, 2018, 11:54:33 AM
Tried that, got continuity when i tested it after soldiering, but when i taped the coin switch it wouldn't let me pull the handle down.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 05, 2018, 01:37:20 PM
When the switch goes down it releases the coin relay located on the left lower side of the reel mechanism.
Then when the switch returns back up in many cases it releases the handle.

The coin in switch can be seen and heard when its tripped.
You may have to reset this latch switch by pulling the handle. This can be done by pulling the handle release stop forward enabling the handle to be pulled.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 05, 2018, 02:04:18 PM
One other thing that can cause a problem with these Bally type slots are the beau plugs that connect the reels, hopper and top odds unit to the cabinet. These plugs will tarnish just like the contacts do. To clean those a new scotch bright pad or the 600 grit wet/dry sand paper.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 05, 2018, 03:54:19 PM
I pulled the reels out, and right now where you have "B" marked, mine isn't touching like yours is.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 05, 2018, 05:30:34 PM
Use the air cylinder “J” bar and kick the reels by pushing it into the cylinder.
Watch the slide lever to see if it closes the B switch contacts. Most likely it will.
If the B switch contacts are open in its resting state then most likely it’s not at fault.
It’s when it closes it becomes part of a circuit.


Or just push the slide lever back to see if the contacts close.


Did the coin relay switch release when the coin in switch was depressed?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 06, 2018, 09:39:19 AM
It closed when i did that, and when reels stopped spinning it opened. mine doesn't have a resistor like yours does? Is that where the resistor on my coin switch should be?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 06, 2018, 09:43:40 AM
As Jon has told you in earlier post.. That resistor belong on the coin switch. It’s not your problem and it is correct.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 06, 2018, 11:49:26 AM
What should i try next? Cleaned the plugs a long time ago with super contact cleaner w/ poly phenyl ether, so they should be good.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 06, 2018, 03:35:05 PM


The photo I posted is just a reference to the switch locations on the reel mechanism.
Going to check out the coin relay switch on an actual 809 machine.
There is a possibility that the contact leaf is on the wrong side of the actuator stud.
Will let you know in about an hour when I get back to the shop.
I’m assuming your machine is a 809, as its been awhile since this post was started and I haven’t been back to page one.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 06, 2018, 04:47:37 PM
Photos of 809 Coin Relay latched.
Then unlatched.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 06, 2018, 04:56:02 PM
Photos of 809 and coin in switch.

Also coin in switch 809. Appears the resistor has been cut out of the machine.
In the photo there is a short section of the resistor wire still in the solder joint.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 06, 2018, 06:34:14 PM
Mine looks like its latched, and this one looks like it is off to the side a little. i have 2 yellow wires and the resistor coming off of that post.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 06, 2018, 08:21:30 PM
Un latch the switch and compare the contacts to see if they are closed like the photo I attached.

This position completes the circuit to the handle release.
Check for continuity on the closed contacts.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 06, 2018, 08:37:01 PM
Also try this after the coin in switch has been activated.
Manually move the handle release mechanism up and down.
See photo.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 06, 2018, 09:59:13 PM
if this is what you are takling about? This is what mine looks like. The only difference is it looks like where it dips down on yours that part is touching, and on mine it isn't. My coin switch doesn't work at all. It has continuity when i test it, but when i tap it i don't hear anything and it wont let me pull the handle. I can move that lever up and down(handle) but nothing happens.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 07, 2018, 05:43:06 AM
Try resetting the machine as described back one page in post #89.
The picture doesn’t show the complete stop lever, but its right at the end of the big yellow arrow.
Pull and hold that piece forward, then pull the handle
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 07, 2018, 08:41:03 AM
David, My mind keep going to the feature unit. He had such a hard time getting it back in. You know how much of a pain those can be or at least I do. Sometime once you remove one the beau plug is a pain to get completely back in. If you don’t have good connection there you can chase your tail round and round.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 07, 2018, 08:57:29 AM
It’s a possibility. There is not much guidance when replacing the top unit. Slowly is the best approach.
Never had a problem myself, but I’m sure it could happen.
My next move would be to jump a good yellow from a light socket to the wires on the coin switch.
Of course just one wire at a time excluding the yellow on the switch.
Next would be my low tech unit movement, in and out back and forth 1/4 of an inch.
Possibly this would help make better contact at the beau-plug.
This happens quite often after pulling out a unit and the machine just stops working when the unit is replaced.
Poor connection at the beau-plug.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 07, 2018, 10:49:24 AM
I like the spray the cabinet plugs with a mist of WD40 then slide the plugs together s few times. I wipe off all the excess when finished. I figure if it works to get moisture out of old car distributor cap to get them started in to older days. It won’t hurt the beau plugs.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 07, 2018, 10:56:41 AM
David, My mind keep going to the feature unit. He had such a hard time getting it back in. You know how much of a pain those can be or at least I do. Sometime once you remove one the beau plug is a pain to get completely back in. If you don’t have good connection there you can chase your tail round and round.
Top shelf (feature unit) i still don't have the glass on it yet because it's so hard to get on, and when i do get it back in the lights don't work.    I can pull that lever foreword and pull the handle and the reels spin. I haven't got my new coin switch yet, using the one i soldered back together, sent Jon my info but didn't hear back from him?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 07, 2018, 10:59:22 AM
Also, when i plug it in I no longer hear that thunk sound like i used to hear.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 07, 2018, 11:07:43 AM
Also, when i plug it in I no longer hear that thunk sound like i used to hear.
That was the stepper unit coil energizing. That is what coins in 1-5.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 07, 2018, 12:51:59 PM
As mentioned you can jump a yellow wire down to the switch and briefly touch it on to the orange to see if the hand will release.
Or the blue yellow wire or whatever color the other wire on the switch is.
 
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 07, 2018, 01:12:17 PM
Does the top frame and glass go easier when the top unit is out of the machine?
Most of the time it’s the latching mechanism that needs to be adjusted for a smoother transition.


For now I would concentrate on getting the machine back in running order.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 07, 2018, 02:38:50 PM
yes the frame goes in real easy without the step up unit in there. And yes, I would rather get the other problem fixed first, I'm trying not to get discouraged with it, so I want to thank everyone again for all the help. I'll try the jumper wire next.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 07, 2018, 05:15:04 PM
I’m sure you check the plug pins on the back of the top unit.
But it sounds like one pin might be bent over. Thus keeping the unit from sliding in all the way.
If one pin is bent, it could keep the machine from running.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 08, 2018, 03:07:54 PM
So I'm hoping this is good news? I ran a jumper wire like you said, and when i touched the coin switch the lockout coil ( scavenger ) went in. So what does that mean? And what next??? That's where I touched the coin switch. Also when i turned it on this time i heard the thunk.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 08, 2018, 04:18:08 PM
Great news, I got the coin switch today from K LAR, and he was nice enough to send 1 extra one.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 08, 2018, 05:29:57 PM
Install the new switch see what happens.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 08, 2018, 06:01:19 PM
I did, the lockout coil ( scavenger ) pulls in,. but nickels still  fall through??? I can tap the coin switch and pull the handle. Should the top lights change every time i tap the coin switch?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 08, 2018, 06:11:42 PM
What next? I finely feel I'm this close to fixing the main problem. :applause:
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 08, 2018, 06:18:55 PM
I did, the lockout coil ( scavenger ) pulls in,. but nickels still  fall through??? I can tap the coin switch and pull the handle. Should the top lights change every time i tap the coin switch?
Did you try putting the coin in with the door open or closed? Usually if the doors open it causes it to be rejected due to the doors angle.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 08, 2018, 06:42:47 PM
Door closed, then open so i could see what it did. Would it help to adjust that screw?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 08, 2018, 06:56:20 PM
The odds lights should move to the right starting with the second coin.


The coin mechanism usually won’t work with the door open.
Close the door insert coin. If it stops near the top of the coin mechanism then turn the screw to the right
until the coin drops through. Them maybe a fraction further.
Give it a try. This is a very fine adjustment and remember to have door closed when testing.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 08, 2018, 08:01:30 PM
Just falls right through, turned it a little at a time.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 09, 2018, 10:42:17 AM
Adjust the mechanism on the bench.
Turn the screw out until the coin stops or drops through the right chamber.
Then make slight turns to the right until the coin drops through.
Coin should drop through the left chamber to activate the coin switch.
Also use some compressed air to clean out any dust and debris.
When reinstalling depress the coin return lever on the unit. Located on the top left.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 09, 2018, 11:22:51 AM
No luck, took it out and turned the screw until nickle would not fall through, and then turned screw to the right until it would fall through. Still just drops through. Is this in  the right spot? on yours from the front i see a gap, don't see a gap on mine from front
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 09, 2018, 01:19:30 PM
Try it without the piece.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 09, 2018, 03:08:52 PM
Nope, still the same, drops right through
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 09, 2018, 04:13:34 PM
When you say drops right thru. It passed thru the machine into the coin tray?
Is the machine on and the coin lock out is retracted?
With the unit is out does the coin go thru the left chamber or right? It should travel thru the left side.
If it does that tells me its okay, but when in the machine the coin lockout will divert it out the right side chamber into the coin tray' if the coin lockout is not energized.

Usually the little slide lever on the back of the coin mechanism never needs to be adjusted.
Unless it has become loose or someone messed with it trying to keep the coin from running thru.
You can try to move the slide bar to see if there is a difference, but mark where its at before you do.
This is another fine adjustment.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 09, 2018, 04:22:28 PM
Coin lockout tab needs to retract when the machine is on and stay that way until the last coin is inserted.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 09, 2018, 05:15:09 PM
Yes, it passes through to the coin tray. yes the machine was on, and the coin lock out was retracted. But now it's not. With the coin mechanism out some times it went to the left, and some times it went to the right.
When you say drops right thru. It passed thru the machine into the coin tray?
Is the machine on and the coin lock out is retracted?
With the unit is out does the coin go thru the left chamber or right? It should travel thru the left side.
If it does that tells me its okay, but when in the machine the coin lockout will divert it out the right side chamber into the coin tray' if the coin lockout is not energized.

Usually the little slide lever on the back of the coin mechanism never needs to be adjusted.
Unless it has become loose or someone messed with it trying to keep the coin from running thru.
You can try to move the slide bar to see if there is a difference, but mark where its at before you do.
This is another fine adjustment.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 09, 2018, 07:46:57 PM
If the lockout doesn’t retract the coin will pass into the tray.
How many years has this machine been in service with out maintenance,
as far as you know? Reason being, if all the components are good. It’s just a matter of cleaning, adjusting the contacts and lubrication of moving parts.


Try operating the machine manually however you can.
Do this after the machine has warmed up around 10 minutes.
Then play it for a good 20 to 40 minutes. Thus giving it a good workout or sorts.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 09, 2018, 08:58:40 PM
I've had the slot machine for about 15yrs, I got it for my Mom. I was gone for 4yrs and I guess my Mom was doing kinda bad and she sold it before she passed away. I bought it back from the person she sold it to. It worked with nickels when my Mom and I had it, and it worked with nickels for the guy who had it, it worked with nickels when i got it back. The only problem it had  the lights didn't work anymore, so i contacted some one on craigslist who works on slot machines, said he would fix the lights for $300, so i dropped the machine off to him. He got all mad because i asked after about 3 or 4 days if he had any luck, said he didnt have time to baby sit me, asked how long he was gonna need to keep my slot machine, and he said a month or longer, said i could come pick it up if I wanted, so i said yes. When i picked it up it wouldn't accept nickels any more, so I think he did something to it. I am trying to learn all I can to maintain it, and want to refurbish it and add the things it's missing. ( jackpot bell, candle, ramp switch, coin counter ). So to answer you question, it hasn't been maintained very well.  Now when you say operate it manually you mean tap the coin switch to pull the lever, or move that one thing so can pull the lever?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 09, 2018, 09:16:24 PM
$300.00 that’s out rages!! Or maybe I need to raise my fees🤔..
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 10, 2018, 05:54:38 AM
Yes, use the coin switch it’s the closest thing to a normal operation. The handle release stop will also work, but it bypasses a couple of switches. You want the machine to be active.


Try cleaning the coin mechanism again with compressed air. Then this low tech technique, squarely tap the bottom of the unit [size=78%]on a hard surface like a work bench. The sudden stop may jar out some small debris.[/size]
These mechanisms are very sensitive so the least bit of dirt could mess it up.


Post a photo of the front of the machine and looking straight inside.
Just as a refresher to what your machine is.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 10, 2018, 09:30:18 AM
I've talked to 2 other people and they want $100hr and $150hr to fix my slot machine. The top shelf glass isn't all the way in, but when i tried putting it in the lockout coil retracted. The third real  got stuck a couple times, and spun slow a couple times. Now if 2 bells and a bar is a jackpot, shouldn't 2 water melons and a bar be a jackpot? Didn't pay out the whole time i played it.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 10, 2018, 10:51:40 AM
Okay the machine pretty much works.
Whatever the payout schedule reads is what the payout should be.
Did the machine land on a payout and not pay or it just didn’t stop on a payout?
So now you know the lockout retracts when the top unit is completely in.
Do the lights move across if you press the coin switch more than once?
Re the 3rd reel. All the mechanism pertaining to that reel needs to be lubricated and freed up.
The reels should be removed to make it more accessible to the mechanisms below.
Might as well lube everything under the reels.
Reels come out easy, but may take a little more time putting back.
One thing to pay attention to is the flat spot on the right side of the reel shaft.
It needs to seat on the corresponding flat area on the chassis.


Your making progress, this is good.

Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 10, 2018, 11:17:46 AM
The top unit glass was not all the way on/in. I tapped the coin switch more then one time and the lights did not move across. Don't know for sure if it landed on any payouts. The coin switch just stopped working on me.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 10, 2018, 01:13:35 PM
Well you know the coin switch works. Sounds like a loose connection or dirty contacts if it stops and starts.


Try the low tech solution as I described before. Move the units in and out back and forth 1/4 of an inch.
Do one at a time then test for a change. Start with the top unit.


Tracing down bad connections / contacts is not very easy over the internet.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 10, 2018, 03:59:06 PM
Coin switch no longer works. I put my meter on AC and i get a reading of 12 volts, no continuity though when i test for that. I pulled the hopper out and Jons wiring diagram says the #26 on the plug should be yellow & black (38) #27 should be white & black (58) and #28 should be red & black (18) My hopper doesn't have any of thoughs on it.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 10, 2018, 04:43:21 PM
With the machine on. Hold the coin switch down and simultaneously move the wires in the door.
Also move the white plugs and the wires going into the plugs near the door jamb, then the wires going into the machine on the left upper side.
Listen for any type of mechanical actions.

Posted a schematic of an 809 a while back. It might help.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 10, 2018, 05:47:17 PM
The only thing that happens right when i tap the coin switch is the lockout coil pops out and retracks
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 10, 2018, 06:24:53 PM
So, you held down the switch and moved the wires. Did the lockout retract when you moved the wires?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 10, 2018, 08:45:01 PM
The lockout coil is retracted right now, unless i tap the coin switch, then it pops out, and then retracts again.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 10, 2018, 09:20:27 PM
That is how it works! If it’s pulled in or energized then it’s ready for a coin to go to the hopper. When it’s not energized or popped out as you say, then that’s when it returns the coin back to the coin tray. The only time that is not energized is when you reach the 5 coin limit. The it will return any extra coin you try to play, and it will stay that way until the reels spin and stop. Then the games ready for more coins. If your game will accept and play one coin only, we need to figure out why the stepper unit is not advancing to coins played 2-5?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 11, 2018, 11:10:56 AM
It doesn't accept any coins at all, and now the coin switch is not working. there is power to it, but no continuity. I put another coin switch in last night hoping that would fix the problem, but the same thing, coin switch had power, but no continuity. Both are brand new from K LAR.     For some reason the nickels go the wrong way in the coin mechanism when the coil is retracted.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: mark the spark on October 11, 2018, 11:35:51 AM
lets go back to basics when you flick the little arm does  it register as a coin played ?is the lockout coil pulled in?if you flick the little arm more than once does it register?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 11, 2018, 12:48:27 PM
The only thing that happens now when i tap the coin switch is the lockout coil de energizes and the energizes. And i cannot pull the handle. Yes the lockout coil is pulled in.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 11, 2018, 02:04:32 PM
The odds unit up top may need some attention.
Again the whole unit should slide back.
To where there is 1 7/8 of an inch between the metal tray below the light board and the front edge of the metal case frame.

The reset relay on the back top of the odds unit may need to be cleaned as well as the odds unit relay at the bottom of those switches.

Also compare the odds unit step up unit to the photo attached. Make sure the switch blades are not overly bent and making good contact.

Check the beau-plug pins, they should look the photo.
Also clean any greasy dirt off the contact buttons / rivets as seen in the photo. This grim may keep the lights from illuminating.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 11, 2018, 02:24:39 PM
Mine is wired different then yours is.? whats the best way to get the old lube/grease off, and what is the best lube to use? The Bally lubrication guide says lubrplate #1 oil and heavy duty Hyrotex lube #651, the book says sewing machine oil, or moly.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 11, 2018, 02:27:23 PM
Also from the metal tray to the edge of the gap in the wood i have 3/4 of inch and the left side, and 7/8 on the right side. If i push in the left side, thats when the lights go out.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 11, 2018, 02:59:25 PM
Beau  plugs on my top shelf
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 11, 2018, 03:16:26 PM
It's really hard to see in the back when i have the top shelf in, but it looks like there is a gap between the plugs plugging in, and the round posts on one of the plugs stick out about a 1/8 further then the flat ones.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 11, 2018, 03:55:48 PM
Looks good, check the sockets for any obstruction.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 11, 2018, 03:59:45 PM
The round pins are for locating and centering of the plug before it goes totally together. When assembled those pin should be all the way into cabinets side of the plug.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 11, 2018, 04:12:23 PM
Where is the odds unit relay switch located at?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 11, 2018, 04:22:17 PM
Is this it, the odds unit relay?  I really wish if anyone has some free time to help me if we can message each other to get this slot machine going. I feel like I'm getting no where, and i have to wait for responses, and some of my questions don't get answered. I can find things on the wiring diagram, but that doesn't tell me where they are on the slot machine.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: rdaniel on October 11, 2018, 04:38:37 PM
Where are you located? Maybe someone on the forum lives near or sort of near you?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 11, 2018, 05:39:46 PM
Looks like the odds relay is mounted on the back of the light board.
If that’s the case you may be able to activate it while the unit is in the machine.
Just need to be able to depress the metal plate that has the spring attached.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 11, 2018, 07:19:39 PM
Nothing happened when i pressed the metal plate when i put it back in. I'm in Sacramento, you don't have to be close to me if we can instant message or something?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 11, 2018, 07:38:08 PM
Have the fuses been checked?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 11, 2018, 07:42:14 PM
Pulled the coin mechanism out and dropped nickels down it and they went to the left ( the way they should ), put it back in and they went to the right side down to the tray. Is this piece facing the way it should be facing?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 11, 2018, 07:44:03 PM
Yes, i checked all 3 of the fuses.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 11, 2018, 08:31:11 PM
I'm about ready to give up guys, and just save up $300 to $400 and pay to get it fixed
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 11, 2018, 09:55:12 PM
The thing with these game are that EVERYTHING run in a series. One switch opens and another one closes. The chain of events has to work from one end to the other. If one set of contacts is not working correct the whole machine stops working. Using a meter to check contact is a must. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve cleaned a contact , only to still not have voltage passing between the contacts breaking the chain. You need to stop worrying about things like a coin mech for now and work in cleaning the beau plugs till they are a shiny silver and your reels coin switch contacts are working correctly. While you had the top unit out, did you try cycling the stepper unit? If you push on one coil plunger the stepper should advance thru the 2-5 coin contacts, and the second plunger should return the contacts back to the coin one position. There is a group of contacts that change position with each click up. Those need to work correctly. Don’t worry if a relay or a wires not the same color as in David’s pics, not every machine 100% the same. As for using grease and oils just about anything works. I like a very light machine oil like 3 in 1 of something similar. As for grease I use a blue water proof wheel bearing grease. It’s thin not a thick grease. I apply it with a q-tip. Never use a spray grease because it goes every where and tends to harden over time. I did mention in one of my early post that I like to spray a light amount of WD40 on just the cabinets female beau plugs for easy of future removing and for easy of putting things back together. This will also help with the connection of the male and female plugs. Once I spray them I work the hopper, reels and stepper units in and out 4-5-6 times or more. This helps clean the female side of the plug. Then when I’m done I take things apart and wipe off any access WD40 from the plugs. Another thing I do is with the power off I hold the handles gear box lever so I can just spin the reels and let them cycle. These are things I do on each new project machine I buy or repair that I get in. It gives me an over view of what condition the machines in. I’ve had machines that I couldn’t pull the handle because the air cylinder pistons was stuck, and other that would kick and just stop. That tells me that all the pivot point and cross shafts are frozen to extremely dry. You must address one item or step at a time. Sorry for the long post and my ranting, but if you want to get this working you need to not worry about the coin mech and move on to what switches and relay that are or are not working. Go back to the beginnng and manually cycle / spin the reels by using the handle. Make sure your coin switch on the side of the reels is latched as ready for a coin. Then plug it in and trip the coin switch while watching for your coin relay to close. If this happens did your handle release? If no then you have a bad beau plug connection with maybe the reels plug or with the stepper plugs. If this works then repeat it a couple time. Next try to simulate two coins and see if it advances to the second coin. One step at a time and only one step at a time. I find that it helps to take notes to remember what’s been done.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 12, 2018, 09:29:32 AM
I just need to know where to start, ( a picture would help alot ) I can find things on the wiring diagram, but don't always know where they are on the slot machine? There are 2 plungers on the top shelf. I can push the bottom one 4 times and then it stops. I push the top one 1 time and it re setts it.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 12, 2018, 10:42:57 AM
Re coin mechanism, let the screw out until the coin stops.
Then turn it in just a fraction until the coin drops on to the switch.
If the unit works out of the machine it should work inside. The door must be closed for it to operate properly.


I try to get machines to operate on a coin first. Then fix anything that’s not working after that.
As its hard to fix a machine when you can’t at least drop a coin and pull the handle.


I see why the top unit is hard to push in because of the 2 beau-plugs.


Machines seem complicated as a whole but in parts/units it’s a little easier to understand.
First machine is challenging and take awhile to figure out. Stick with it, what you learn will be valuable if something goes wrong in the future.


Do you ever come down south to Los Angeles?
I’m in Simi Valley northwest of LA.
Bring your machine if you come down this way.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 12, 2018, 11:57:23 AM
Not sure what I did yesterday? But I got a new lock ( attendant key ) re-set, and when i turned it now the lockout coil DOES NOT ENERGIZE.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 12, 2018, 12:07:34 PM
I used to live in Huntington Beach, but don't really get down that way very much.
Re coin mechanism, let the screw out until the coin stops.
Then turn it in just a fraction until the coin drops on to the switch.
If the unit works out of the machine it should work inside. The door must be closed for it to operate properly.

Pulled it out and turned the screw until the nickel would not go through, then turned it to the right, would get stuck in the middle, turned it some more and it falls through to the left ( where it should ), but only when it is out of the slot machine. Lockout coil IS NOT ENERGIZED any more since i turn that lock and it touched that switch. Where should i start at to fix that?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 12, 2018, 12:18:32 PM
Not sure what I did yesterday? But I got a new lock ( attendant key ) re-set, and when i turned it now the lockout coil DOES NOT ENERGIZE.
That is only needed and used when the largest jackpot is won. At that point the game won’t accept any coins until a Casino attendant would show up. This kept the person from trying to play the game again until the jackpot was recognized and paid. This is what I’m trying to explain on how your getting side tracked on matters not causing your problems. Do you have a manual and have your read it to understand how these games work?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 12, 2018, 01:13:13 PM
I down loaded the Bally manual from the internet, and I bought this book online, and have been reading the book to try and understand things better
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 12, 2018, 02:55:42 PM
Where should I start to get the lockout coil to energize again, and get the coin switch to work? Or where or what should I start with first?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 13, 2018, 02:17:36 PM
Yes, use the coin switch it’s the closest thing to a normal operation. The handle release stop will also work, but it bypasses a couple of switches. You want the machine to be active.  Are you guys giving up on it? After I did what DavidLee said the coin switch stopped working, and the ;lockout coil won't energize any more. Today I simulated a jackpot, pulled the handle, stopped the fan and then stopped the reels on 3 watermelons, the hopper made some noise and then the machine turned off. ( lots of nickels in the hopper ) Push in the slide bar under the hopper, it turns on and buzzes/ vibrates, and then turns off again.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 13, 2018, 02:26:48 PM
That way too many coins in a hopper. That’s why it won’t run.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 13, 2018, 02:45:41 PM
Noticed the hopper is full of coins in a photo a few post back.
Remove the hopper and the coins. Check for any coins jamb in the hopper.
Manually operate the hopper to make sure it’s free to spin.


Check for stray coins in the safety cut off timer bottom left rear corner of the machine.
Add a just a few handfuls of coins to the hopper and re-install.
Test machine by what ever method that works.
Set up a small payout to see what happens.


Back to the coin switch, try jumping a good solid yellow from the lights to the yellow on the coin switch.
See if this makes a difference on how the switch works.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 13, 2018, 02:57:08 PM
How do I manually spin the hopper? I took about half the coins out, and pushed the reset bar, the hopper did the same thing. Didn't see any stuck coins, and don't know how to manually spin it?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 13, 2018, 06:18:21 PM
If the hopper motor looks like the one in the photo.
Turn the motor shaft to the right. The hopper elevator should rotate and the coins will be kicked off near the top back into the hopper.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 13, 2018, 07:31:00 PM
Put a jumper wire from a light to the yellow wire on the coin switch, It would only trip one time, ( cvould only pull the handle one time ) And the lockout coil did not energize.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 13, 2018, 07:54:33 PM
Put the reels on 3 watermelons again, same thing happens, it shuts down. When i pushed in the reset bar I could see something spinning under the hopper but it would stop, and then before it shut back down it spin again for a second or two.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 13, 2018, 08:40:15 PM
Re jumper wire, this indicates the switch is okay. It only played one time because other switches were bypassed. Need to look over the schematic for that machine to see were the yellow on the coin switch leads.


Wire tracing takes time even when the machine is right in front of you. All most impossible to do over the internet.



Set up a small payout like cherries or plums for your next hopper test.
A variation may give a different response.


As mentioned before most machines just need a good cleaning in regards to the contacts and moving parts.
After that contact adjustments are usually needed to get the machine to operate properly.


At this point in your case I would look at every solder joint for loose or broken wires. Clean all contacts on the hopper and the reels. Check every  coil for damage and missing springs.
This should be done with plenty of light and high power magnifier type head set.


Best to concentrate one unit at a time.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 13, 2018, 09:17:05 PM
I bought my first machine 18+ years ago and still have it. It took me over 2 years to figure out why the game paid out 18 coins every time the handle was pulled. I bought my self every manual I could find, and read them a couple times. The one day I found a grounded out wire. Once it was repaired the game played and paid out correctly. I got frustrated many times and had to walk away from it for a while. This was when I learned about NLG, and with help from some members that are no longer with us we got it going. We can only offer so much advice, but it’s up to you to do the work, and learn how these work from circuit to circuit. As David said your coin switch is fine, now it’s time to move to the next part of the coin up circuit. I can’t state enough that a bad beau plug connection will stop a circuit in its tracks. That little coin switch activates relays and coils from the reels, to the top creature unit and to the handle release contacts. If anything in between these items are dirty or not making a good contact your game will never play. Jon also told you about a video he has posted on his Facebook page that is a great learning tool. It’s a long video running about 2 hours. The guys good and you can learn how these work and how to get yours going by watching it. Your only other option is to spend big $$ having someone else fix it. If I were close by I’d do the repair, but we are over 2000 miles apart. With your hopper keep only 50-100 coins in it for know. I think that 80% of your problems are with cabinet plugs and 3-4 different relays.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 14, 2018, 10:07:29 AM
I did try 2 cherry's before I did the 3 watermelons again, and it didn't do anything with the cherry's, no noise, nothing. I' making little labels and putting on my slot machine to remember and learn where things are. I have no problem trying what you guys tell me, and don't mind doing the work, as long as you guys don't mind telling me. AND THANKS AGAIN EVERYONE FOR ALL THE HELP. I tried watching the video on his facebook page, but all it did was spin around and around, it never started for me. Something is obviously wrong with the beau plugs on the top shelf unit because all it takes is a little wiggling for the lights to work, or not work. And when I put the glass in, they don't work. I'm kinda afraid to take things apart to clean and then put back on. But I guess I better take good pictures before and while I take apart things so I know how to put back.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 14, 2018, 10:28:54 AM
Do as I suggested. Get some WD40 and spray the cabinet plugs. Then work the plugs together 4-5-6 times then wipe off the excess. Your light don’t stay on because of the tarnish built up on those plugs. You must get those clean. Another good tool to have is a contact cleaner or electronics cleaner. It runs up to $10 for a spray can and can be found at electronics stores.
As for the Video of Jon’s Facebook I’ve watch a little bits of it over the past week. There’s nothing wrong with the video, but if your trying to watch it on a phone, you need to be connected to WiFi.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 14, 2018, 11:31:43 AM
When working on the beau plugs, take time to inspect the soldering for loose or broken wires.
Got to look at each and every wire. It may look like its connected, but it may just be laying in place.


You have the best EM slot machine persons helping out.
I’m sure if you machine was in front of any of these guys it would be running in a day.


Have a friend with a slot machine that he couldn’t figure out. Took to Vegas for repair.
The guy could not get it running. Took it to a person in town who was suppose to be Mr. Slot.
Still couldn’t get it going.
I met him after all this when he came to look at a machine I had for sale. He explained the situation.
Told his I would like to take a crack at fixing the machine.
Went to his house one Saturday morning, within 30 minutes had the machine running like new.
Not bragg’n, just saying there are a lot of good mechanics on this site.

Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 14, 2018, 11:34:44 AM
Already got the contact cleaner and will work on getting the plugs cleaner today. There is something wrong with my Dads laptop because it wouldn't show any of the new parts on K LAR'S website when I went to buy something. Will try watching video on another laptop. Have watched some stuff on youtube.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 18, 2018, 06:20:31 PM
Started a new job and have been doing 10hr days so been pretty tired when i get home. cleaned the beau plugs on the top shelf, If i push the top tray in real good the top lights don't work, but the lockout coil energizes. If i pull the top shelf out a little, the lights will work, but the lockout coil doesn't energize. I just tapped the coin switch, with the top lights on, and the lockout coil did energize. Also, don't remember if the coin accepted light was lighting up before or not, but it does light up when i tap the coin switch, but the lights still don't progress if i tap coin switch more then one time.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 18, 2018, 06:41:44 PM
They say if you take a pair of needle nose pliers and turn the male pins on the plug a hair about 5 degrees that it helps with the connection of the 2 plugs. I have taken a very fine wet/dry sandpaper, 500 or 600 grit and fold it small enough to go inside the female side of the plug to clean up some of the oxidation that has formed inside that plug. You might just want to work the feature units plugs in and out a half dozen times or more too.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 19, 2018, 05:42:45 PM
Thank you, I'll try that next. Gonna un screw the female beau plugs and check the solder there also.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 19, 2018, 06:39:48 PM
Take note of any individual sockets that might be pushed out the back compared to others.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 21, 2018, 11:57:59 AM
Cleaned both male and female beau plugs as good as i could. Still nothing. It's the step up that makes the top shelf lights light up every time you put up to 5 coins in? Well, i tripped it like i put more then one coin in, pulled the handle and the 3rd coin light stayed lite, it didn't go back to first coin light. From what i can see trying to look in when the top shelf is in, it looks like the plugs are just barely going in. I tried lifting it up and down a little, side to side, and no luck. IO'm gonna look in my book and figure out the wire routing and component locations, and the wire routing and connector plugs and check those. ??? Don't know what else to do???
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 21, 2018, 01:12:19 PM
Did you ever spray the female cabinet plugs with WD40? That will help them slide together.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 21, 2018, 02:12:14 PM
I did all that, I even took the brackets that hold the female plugs on the back of the wall off so i could slide them on the male plugs, and the plugs don't go in very far, but i was able to slide the tray in far enough to put the glass back on.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 21, 2018, 02:28:08 PM
Go back to post #147 referring to the odds unit reset relay and cleaning the brass contact receiver rivets.
If you can access the reset relay while the unit is in the machine. Press it down with a non conduct rod of sorts. This should reset the odds unit to coin one. This is what happens when the first coin in dropped in. If the rivets and contacts are clean the odds lights should advance.
If the reset coil doesn’t energize, the contacts on the reset coil could be dirty or out of adjustment. Or the coil is bad or a possibility of a broken wire.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 22, 2018, 05:58:59 PM
Go back to post #147 referring to the odds unit reset relay and cleaning the brass contact receiver rivets.
If you can access the reset relay while the unit is in the machine. Press it down with a non conduct rod of sorts. This should reset the odds unit to coin one. This is what happens when the first coin in dropped in. If the rivets and contacts are clean the odds lights should advance.
If the reset coil doesn’t energize, the contacts on the reset coil could be dirty or out of adjustment. Or the coil is bad or a possibility of a broken wire.
     So my odds unit reset relay was on top of my slot machine, and you just want me to move the plastic piece so the contacts touch?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 22, 2018, 06:37:00 PM
No don’t remove those.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 22, 2018, 06:40:06 PM
Yes, manually activate the relay by pressing down on the white plastic armature.
This should reset the odds unit back to first coin. The lights should also indicate first coin
The coin switch should advance the odds unit at this point, if everything is clean and working properly.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 22, 2018, 07:10:40 PM
The first two nothing happened when i pushed them in. The second two, both of them made the lockout coil de energize, and then energize.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 25, 2018, 05:58:49 PM
Does anyone have any suggestions for me to try, or did everyone give up on it? Just wanted to thank everyone for all their help, I can't make any donations until I get payed again on the 2nd.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 25, 2018, 07:34:35 PM
Let’s backup a little. Will the machine take a coin naturally?
Have you manually reset the odds unit and tried playing the machine?
Please post a photo of the complete odds unit in the machine.



Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 27, 2018, 11:12:41 AM
Ok, it will not accept nickels, as far as I know I reset the odds unit. The on center line, and 1st coin light are lite on the top shelf, the winner paid, and insert coin lights are lite. The lockout coil is energized, I can tap the coin switch and it will let me pull the handle. Now if the door is closed, sometimes one of the reels wont spin. It has not paid out anything since I got it back. 2 other pictures on reply#195
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 27, 2018, 11:32:44 AM
I did this to go from 1st coin up to 5th coin, and then reset them.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: mark the spark on October 27, 2018, 11:39:03 AM
Has the hopper reset are the fingers on the payout at 6oclock

Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 27, 2018, 12:52:32 PM
yes, the fingers are at 6 o'clock. And not sure if the hopper has reset?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: mark the spark on October 27, 2018, 03:14:11 PM
The fingers on the hopper need to be at the bottom there is a plunger behind the board press it in to reset it those fingers do not look like they have returned to zero
If they have not returned everything will come to a stop no payout
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 27, 2018, 06:23:55 PM
I did that and the fingers were at 6 o'clock, I spun the reels and stopped them on 3 watermelons, the hopper started humming likje it wanted to pay out, and then it shut down, like kit's done before.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: mark the spark on October 28, 2018, 12:45:48 AM
Can you post a nice clear photo of the hopper as is now want a picture of all of the board and those fingers and your zero switch
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 28, 2018, 09:44:54 AM
The problem is my slot machine won't accept nickles, I'm trying to take care of that first. If the people that were helping me don't wont to help anymore, then i guess I don't need to be on here for help? Thank you again to the people who were helping and that I trusted with there help.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 28, 2018, 10:04:08 AM
Can someone please tell me if this is true? ( Inside the door of your slot machine will be a coin comparitor that holds a coin. That coin is there for a reason, it's not jammed. The machine compares every coin that is dropped in the coin slot to whatever coin is dropped in. If it is removed your slot machine will not work.)????
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: sixcardmark on October 28, 2018, 10:09:12 AM
TRUE - It will not take coins if you remove the coin to compare.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: mark the spark on October 28, 2018, 10:33:28 AM
You do not have a coin comparator your machine is all interlinked a problem in one part affects everything as old Reno used to say the hopper is the brains of the machine you should play it on 1coin till it works then worry about multiple coins
It's very difficult to diagnose via the internet so bear with us now post a photo of the hopper as is of the hopper board so we can see the fingers and zero stop
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: sixcardmark on October 28, 2018, 10:37:33 AM
Hehe didn't notice this was E.M. machine = coin mech.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 28, 2018, 11:58:18 AM
If I understood your question.
There is no coin in the coin mechanism for comparison.
If there is most likely its jammed.  This most likely would interfere and cause a malfunction. 
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 28, 2018, 12:28:39 PM
Central Valley Slots had tips and info for slot owners, and they said something about don't take the coin out of the coin coparator. So i was asking a question, because I don't know. If you don't know, you should ask questions, right? I don't know where or what zero stop is?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 28, 2018, 12:29:38 PM
More pictures
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: mark the spark on October 28, 2018, 12:59:00 PM
These machines are hard to work on so it's one step at a time you r there we r not
Just so we are clear .forget the extra lines treat it as a single coin which means resetting the top features so pull out the top feature and press the reset plungers /coils so all is reset
Do the same with the hopper the coil/plunger is behind the payout board do not worry if nothing happens when pressing resets
Everything should now be reset
Insert 1 coin does the handle release
Did the reels spin
If yes insert coin and set up a win
Did it pay out
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 28, 2018, 01:41:50 PM
From this picture your hopper spiral cam in not resetting all the way back to Zero. The zero switch contact needs to be opened. The wiper fingers on the spiral cam should end up to the left side of the 2 coin payout contact pad on the hoppers wiper board.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 28, 2018, 09:04:29 PM
Thank you
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: mark the spark on October 28, 2018, 11:44:48 PM
Does thank you mean it's working ?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Denmark on October 29, 2018, 01:49:13 AM
the spiral cam cant move any further ,cause its reached the end (probably a 100 coin pay) ,either the carrigde  is mounted wrong or the cam wont reset - chek Old Renos how to clean the hopperdisc sticky - and reesembly...


Hans
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: mark the spark on October 29, 2018, 06:22:53 AM
Ok tatdave u need to press the plunger in on the coil that sits on the base behind this board of it is sitting at a pay it will reset to zero
Or if nothing happens u can manually advance the fingers then reset this can all be done with the hopper out the machine
By manually advancing the fingers and resetting the fingers should be sat just before the 2 and your zero switch should be open
Perhaps posting another photo after you have done this
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 29, 2018, 05:55:13 PM
I pressed this plunger on the top shelf. I pressed this plunger behind the disk.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 29, 2018, 06:00:06 PM
This is where the fingers are. Are you saying the second picture, that needs to be open? The nickel still drops right through to the change tray. It will not accept any nickels, still. I was saying thank you for the time and help people are giving me.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 29, 2018, 08:46:49 PM
 I took two pictures of a hopper I just serviced. The solenoid that resets the spiral cam back to recovery is located behind the hopers wiper board. See pic with orange circle. I reach in with my finger or a thin screw driver between these two contacts below the jackpot relay, see yellow circle.

You really need to sit down and read the service manual. It’s the only way your going to understand how the machines work and where thing are located. Things need to be cleaned and adjusted. Cabinet and hopper and odds units beau plugs must be cleaned of tarnish and fully seated together to operate. Every manual I own has a trouble shooting section in them too.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 29, 2018, 09:58:51 PM
I have a few trouble shooting guides too. verify 50 volt power, coin lockout coil defective, dsashpot switch open-pull dashpot arm forward, reel mechanism adjustments, coin acceptor dirty or needs adjusting, refer to schematic for inter,mediate circuitry, defective coin switch, missing or wrong coin shim in coin switch area, the rocker arm in the coin rejector  fell off, clean contact on the payout relay.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: mark the spark on October 30, 2018, 03:23:56 AM
So your fingers are in the wrong position either it's not reset to correct position or as Hans said it's try to pay a 100 win whatever you need to push that solenoid in behind the payout card then we can take it from there
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 30, 2018, 05:39:07 PM
I had miss spoke in my previous post and I've corrected it.. I said the game will not accept coins till the spiral cam is reset, that's not correct.. It will accept a coin/coins when the spiral cams advanced. As soon as you spin the reels and the "C" contact on the reels closes, then your solenoid should fire and return the spiral cam to zero.. Now the game is ready for its next payout because the zero switch is now closed...
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 30, 2018, 05:56:10 PM
So how do I know what number the fingers are on? I tried what you told me and still nothing, I pushed the solenoid in  and it did not do anything, nickel still falls threw. tripped the coin switch so i could handle reels spun.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 30, 2018, 07:21:18 PM
Did you mention something about a coin stuck inside the coin identifier/ coin mechanism?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on October 30, 2018, 07:30:07 PM
So how do I know what number the fingers are on? I tried what you told me and still nothing, I pushed the solenoid in  and it did not do anything, nickel still falls threw. tripped the coin switch so i could handle reels spun.

Your picture is now showing your spiral cam in the reset position. Is your odds unit plugged all the way in?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on October 30, 2018, 07:43:17 PM
The photo in post #225 looks about right.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: rdaniel on October 30, 2018, 11:48:35 PM
I believe that it is the "B" switch closes and resets the spiral cam back to 6 o'clock position and also turns off the winner paid light.

rdaniel
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on October 31, 2018, 08:42:07 PM
Central Valley Slots had tips and info for slot owners, and they said something about don't take the coin out of the coin coparator. So i was asking a question, because I don't know. If you don't know, you should ask questions, right?
No coins are stuck, i was just asking if this was true or not.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: mark the spark on October 31, 2018, 11:14:49 PM
Yes but you do not have a coin comparitor
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on November 01, 2018, 12:54:23 AM
No he has a mechanical coin mech. He needs to be consintrating on the machines switches, line the coin switch on the reel, beau plugs and relay contacts in the top units feature unit. My moneys on the problems with the top units beau plug or relay contacts. It’s so hard to trouble shoot a machine with out being able to see what working. That’s where extension cables come in so handy.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: mark the spark on November 01, 2018, 08:28:47 AM
We need to see what's happening from the start
Push in all solenoids in the top compartment and on the hopper no worries if nothing happens slide hopper back in power up and insert coin without going off on a tangent
What happened?
Did it accept a coin? Yes or no
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on November 01, 2018, 10:44:17 PM
No it doesn't accept any nickels, they go right through to the change tray.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: mark the spark on November 01, 2018, 11:21:30 PM
1 does it work if you manually flick the switch
2 is the lockout coil energised remove coin mech you can feel if it's energised
3
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on November 02, 2018, 05:14:48 PM
Yes i can flick the coin switch 1 time and pull the handle. The lockout coil is energized. If I flick the coin switch it wont advance past first coin
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on November 02, 2018, 05:54:33 PM
Yes i can flick the coin switch 1 time and pull the handle. The lockout coil is energized. If I flick the coin switch it wont advance past first coin

From what I see, you coin problem is with your coin mech.. I wouldn’t worry about that at this point. If this were my machine, I would be servicing the top odds unit. Sounds like your step up unit has dirty or a bad connection. One thing I don’t think that’s been check are the contacts on the handle. When the handle is released, there is a group of contacts that close. If those are dirty or out of adjustment, that will affect your next coin.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: mark the spark on November 04, 2018, 03:50:48 AM
tat2dave if you have some spare time find the old forum there is some great stuff on there and quite a few problems with the 809 covered apart from that there is some good reading there as well especially from oldreno
whats happened to oldreno? anyone know
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on November 04, 2018, 04:09:25 AM
I have not seen him in months??

Up Date... I went and checked his profile. Says last time he was logged in was 7/3/18.. Hope he’s ok. I did send him a PM.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on November 04, 2018, 10:37:25 AM
Well, sorry guys, I threw in the towel yesterday and drove to San Mateo to Squires & Corrier Slot machines. They do everything there from painting the glass, to making your slot machine look new again. I want to thank everyone for their help, but i guess I'm just not cut out to get my slot going again, I felt like i was going in circles. And at least i know it's gonna this time by professionals, unlike the last time I took it to someone from craigslist. Thanks again for all your help.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on November 04, 2018, 10:52:22 AM
Let us know what they found wrong.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: rdaniel on November 04, 2018, 11:27:48 AM
Did you get a quote on the price of repair? They can be very pricey!

rdaniel
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on November 04, 2018, 12:15:51 PM
I did realize they worked on any thing other then the old mechanicals? Do you know if they work on even newer machines then your EM?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on November 04, 2018, 07:20:52 PM
I will let you know what was wrong with it, as for price, yes they are pricey, $150hr, had to put down payment of $300, and I will ask if they work on newer machines when he calls me about mine. I will hopefully get to pick it up in a week. (got my fingers crossed) Can't wait to play it again.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on November 04, 2018, 08:39:18 PM
Wow.. $150.00 an hour 🤔 I need to raise my rates.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on November 14, 2018, 06:20:30 PM
Great news, they called me today and said my slot machine is fixed and ready for pick up, but this part hurts, 8hrs at $150hr so its gonna cost me $900 plus, already paid $300 when i dropped it off. He said my 809 is very collectible and very rare. It has triple 7s instead of the triple bars. And who ever asked if they work on newer model slot machines, he said yes they do. There was a bunch of little stuff wrong with my slot machine and he replaced a part. Will let everyone know what all was wrong when I pick it up Saturday. I can't wait.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: rdaniel on November 14, 2018, 10:15:43 PM
I knew they were pricey but wow thats a bundle. They should give you a 5 year warranty.

rdaniel
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on November 17, 2018, 09:12:27 PM
So, I go to pick up my slot machine today, and i ask to plug it in before I take it, (there was just some lady there today) and not all the reels would spin all the time, first the middle one would stick and then the 2nd and 3rd reel wouldn't spin. So I was not happy having to leave it there and me wasting a trip down there, costs me $50 to get there and back, $40 for gas and $10 for tolls. He's out of town till next week, and so is the guy who worked on it.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on November 17, 2018, 10:42:33 PM
I’d ask for some money off the bill for the wasted trip, plus having to make a second trip back. I wouldn’t give them any extra money either. They have already gouged you for the repairs.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on November 18, 2018, 09:41:19 AM
I talked to him on the phone to make sure I'm not gonna get charged for the reels not all working, and he said I wouldn't. And I will talk to him when I go to pick it up and see if he will take some off of the bill, ( don't think he will, but I'll try ) because I brought 2 new coin switches when i first dropped it off because mine didn't have a ramp switch on it, and was wanting one put on.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on November 18, 2018, 09:46:03 AM
I had him put a jack pot bell in it, does it only go off when you hit a jack pot, or does it go off with the little pay outs when you hit, because i got a pay out ( like 10 nickels ) when i was there, but the bell didn't sound. So would like to know if it was working or not? Thank you for your help.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on November 18, 2018, 04:49:22 PM
Bell can be wired to work on any winning combinations.
Before you leave the shop with the machine.
I would play it non stop for at least 1 to 2 hours.
Make sure it pays correct amounts.
Don’t want to get it back home and have a malfunction.
Also would be nice to see the invoice with all the corrections listed.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on November 18, 2018, 08:24:16 PM
I'll make sure to get a invoice from him, what was replaced and all. And see what kind of guarantee on the work done he'll give me?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Op-Bell on November 20, 2018, 12:00:15 AM
"Professionals". <sniff>
Next time bring it to me in Las Vegas.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on November 22, 2018, 12:23:18 PM
Trust me, If you weren't so far away I would of brought it to you, I don't do good driving real long distances, tend to start falling a sleep at the wheel.
"Professionals". <sniff>
Next time bring it to me in Las Vegas.

Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on November 25, 2018, 03:39:43 PM
Got my 809 Bally slot machine back today. It now plays up to 5 coins, all the lights work and everything. So I guess the reason it would not accept any nickels is because the hopper wasn't reset on zero. they un jamed  the hopper motor (disassembled) made adjustments and reassembled, cleaned contacts on payout relay, cleaned all contacts in the upper section, jackpot relay#1 and #2, cleaned face of odds unit reassembled, cleaned contacts on back of odds unit, cleaned contacts on step-up relay and reset relay, replaced 3rd reel stop arm (broken) checked all pays (test) $50, adjusted coin acceptor to receive money, adjusted new coin lockout arm to receive money, and then they had to take apart the reel mech. remove main shaft to c lean and degrease it resurfaced/ deburred, degreased mech. kicker-reel stops, cleaned and lubed handle dash pot, tightened stack blades switches on reel mech. Thats alot of stuff, just glad it works now.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on November 25, 2018, 03:42:03 PM
I want to thank everyone for trying to help me fix it, next time I get paid again I'll make another donation. Thanks again everyone.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on November 25, 2018, 03:56:31 PM
Hope they have you a refund for having to make a second trip for a machine that was supposed to be working last week. Or at least gave you a long warranty on there work done.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on November 25, 2018, 05:34:58 PM
Happy to hear you got the machine back.
Appears that a lot or small problems needed to be fixed.
Does the inside look good and clean?
Post a photo of the inside when you get a chance.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on November 27, 2018, 05:06:45 PM
I really don't know how much they did to it?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on November 27, 2018, 05:09:38 PM
The only pay outs i've hit are 1 cherry, and 2 cherries, and the last cpouple times i've got 1 cherry  it didn't pay anything.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on November 27, 2018, 05:26:39 PM
Well it’s working and you saved another Bally EM.
You might want to clean / remove the excessive amber grease where ever its just sitting on non contact areas. Don’t want a chunk landing on a reel strip. Makes for an ugly stain.


Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on November 28, 2018, 06:17:19 PM
Did they go a little overboard on the grease on the part. Thank you, I'll get some of it off asap. I hit three oranges yesterday for 50 nickels. It seemed to me that it used to hit more often then it is right now. Main thing is it works and i will keep up the maintenance on it from now on.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: DavidLee on November 28, 2018, 09:39:19 PM
The reel kicker and stop rollers only come in contact with the edge of the index stop disc.
Remove excessive grease from the reel disc sides. Better to maintain lubricant between the kick,
stop rollers and shaft as the inside of the roller and shaft take most of the impact.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on November 29, 2018, 05:31:56 PM
Thank you
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on December 03, 2018, 03:07:20 PM
Donated $10 today for all the help everyone gave me. I'll do a little more when I can. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on December 03, 2018, 04:22:40 PM
Thank you.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on December 14, 2018, 04:53:42 PM
Does anyone know how rare the Bally 809 nickle triple7, or if it is rare? I've been trying to find info online but haven't had any luck. Thank you for any info you might have.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on December 14, 2018, 06:21:54 PM
The 809 was not a rare machine. Every casino had rows and rows of them. How many are left today, who knows, but being a nickel machine might make it a little more rare then quarter slots. I don’t know if there were any production numbers?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on January 28, 2019, 07:24:08 PM
Thank you, I'm back. I play  my slot machine every day for at least 5- 10 minutes and put 5 nickles in it at a time and the biggest jack pot i've hit is 3 watermelons ( a $5 payout), I've got that about 3 or 4 times, and some little payouts. When I first got it i remember it payed out more often then it does now. Do the reels have to be put in a certin way to get it to payout more often, or is there a way to make it payout more often? Thanks for any help.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on January 28, 2019, 09:16:10 PM
Not much you can do about the payouts. They are totally at random.
Title: 1982 25 cent Balley hilton tournament qualifying slot machine
Post by: Tat2Dave on April 06, 2019, 08:03:32 PM
Can anyone please tell me how much a 25 cent Balley Hilton tournament qualifying slot machine is worth? I saw one for sale and was wanting to know how much they go for? Everything works on it they say. thank you for your help.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on April 06, 2019, 08:08:01 PM
Hard to say without seeing a picture and a location? Worth different amounts in different areas, plus the old saying. It’s worth what your willing to pay for it!
Title: Re: 1982 25 cent Balley hilton tournament qualifying slot machine
Post by: tuna on April 07, 2019, 03:54:00 PM
Can anyone please tell me how much a 25 cent Balley Hilton tournament qualifying slot machine is worth? I saw one for sale and was wanting to know how much they go for? Everything works on it they say. thank you for your help.



I'm guessing this machine?  Its a E series, I hate them, have one that I have never been able to get working.  I'll stick with the EM's, just personal preface.  Amechanic works on them, with that picture maybe he can give you a ballpark on it. 
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on April 07, 2019, 05:25:56 PM
Yes, it looks like that one. They are asking $800 for it and says it works
Hard to say without seeing a picture and a location? Worth different amounts in different areas, plus the old saying. It’s worth what your willing to pay for it!
. So its not a E M, does that mean it has circuit boards in it? Thank you.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: tuna on April 07, 2019, 05:46:04 PM
Yes it would indeed have printed circuit boards in it, maybe someone with a E1000/E2000 will chime in.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Amechanic on April 07, 2019, 05:48:37 PM
Looks like a E-Series by the reel glass, but to be sure yea need to see the insides. Looks like a buy a pay by the top glass. More coins you play the high amount you can win. $800.00 seen high, but I don’t know what machines sell for in a 50 states. Here it’s olny worth $500 to $600 high side.

Tuna.... What’s wrong with the E-Series that you have?
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: Tat2Dave on April 09, 2019, 08:51:25 PM
Thank you. My 809 is working great, but i still havent hit anything bigger then 3 watermelons ($5) payout, and i play it every day at least a few minutes each time.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: tuna on April 13, 2019, 04:56:46 PM
Looks like a E-Series by the reel glass, but to be sure yea need to see the insides. Looks like a buy a pay by the top glass. More coins you play the high amount you can win. $800.00 seen high, but I don’t know what machines sell for in a 50 states. Here it’s olny worth $500 to $600 high side.

Tuna.... What’s wrong with the E-Series that you have?



Amechanic, Alen repaired the I/O, and Mpu boards which stopped my zero in the win meter from jumping all over the place.  Still could not get it to coin up or do any self test.  So it has been donating parts that fit E/M's.
Title: Re: Bally 809 5 coin multiplier
Post by: gordy on March 13, 2022, 05:37:39 AM
Amechanic asked if you flicked the coin sw.  If you did and the handle got enabled, then it is an adjustment in the coin acceptor prob.  Rig the coin acceptor with a shim or other to force the coin to go down the right hole.  Then fig how to adjust or rig the acceptor to work .
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