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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S2000 and Vision Games => Topic started by: Archilea on March 16, 2021, 03:43:46 PM
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So, just as I thought I had my errors behind me, the machine starts up and gives me a "Coin-In Jam" and "Closure MB" message. Ugh. I turn the key, and "1.Accounting" shows on the VFD, but I cannot navigate through the menus (The buttons don't work any more).
This machine was working minutes ago, and I played through hundreds of credits. Now, it suddenly seems wacky. After restarting it multiple times, it gave me a bill handling error (Sorry I don't remember exact error), and after playing around with the bill handling device it seems to have gone back to "Coin-in Jam".
I think that it's an I/O card, but which one? Does the same card handle the button deck and the coin handling? I have one coming (Thanks, Ron).
Oh, and the machine is coinless. It has no coin related items at all.
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I received a cabinet I/O board, and tried it - no luck.
I swapped the two door I/O boards, same error and no button functions.
So then I removed the two door I/O boards, one at a time, and powered on - Same "Coin-in Jam" error message even with each board disconnected. (One at a time, powered off to plug/unplug them)
Any ideas?
I have a 502 MB, with LOTS of wire jumpers soldered onto it... I'm wondering if it has been fixed in the past, or if this was normal for 502 boards.
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Some had factory jumper wires installed for changes made after the boards were printed. It sounds like yours has a problem. Since you already replaced the I/O boards it's the next in line to be replaced.
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Did you at any point, pull out or install the MPU or any other board (including i/o cards) while the power switch was on?
I found what happens is a small IC chip will blow up....look at all the imbedded chips on all of your boards.
It may look like a small tiny volcano bowl on top blown off...very easy to miss.
The other thing that happens is small imbedded fuses will blow internally from a power surge - rendering a circuit board useless until found and repaired.
Another thing that happens is one or two male pins on the MPU, or I/O boards will miss the females holes slightly, bend and short - rendering the button deck un-abled due to data not knowing where to go in the system....check ALL of your pins under/behind all boards.
If you did not do any of this, then the fault may lay with the old-as-dirt 502 MPU board....time to upgrade.
502 MPU's are past their lifetimes and fewer and fewer work like when they were first fabricated.
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When I first got it, I did pull cards in and out, and it's possible that the power switch was on - however two things make me think that this is not a factor:
- When I did that, the power supply was dead - no lights or activity of any sort. Power supply was replaced after this and I was careful not to do it again.
- The machine worked flawlessly for at least a day just before failure. I left it powered on for 2 days (No playing, just sitting there), and I came back to the error.
I have inspected each I/O board for bad parts, cold solder joints, bent pins, etc. and did not see any issues. I briefly looked at the 502 board for issues and didn't see any. I'll look again.
Questions:
- What is the recommended replacement for the 502? Is it a 1270 or a 504?
- Anybody selling one? :) And what's the going rate?
- Can I transfer the SB chips, etc., to keep this game?
- Since I cannot navigate menus (Buttons don't work) I can't read out the settings in it now... May need some advice on settings when I get there. :)
- Are these things always this touchy? Am I in for a lifetime of troubleshooting and fixes? I hope not...
Thanks again for your help.
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Did you replace the door I/O boards, or just swap them? I don't believe they are the same.
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I did 3 things:
- Swap the two boards (Both had the larger connector) (Same error)
- Powered down, removed 1 board on door, powered up - then repeat with other board on door (Same error)
- Swapped out the board on the side of the 502 bracket with smaller connector (Same error)
Same error in all cases (Coin-In Jam). Buttons do not work in all cases.
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I've been playing around with my S2000 3R1L3CM Double Diamond Haywire for about 16 years now....still works great and has never had any part replacements at all....running on quarters and a WBA bill acceptor.
Almost every week or so, I play off all my one dollar bills I collect and empty that cash box about twice a year and bring all the ones to the bank. :cool_thumb_up:
This part bothers me ...>>>"and after playing around with the bill handling device it seems to have gone back to "Coin-in Jam"."
Can you recall exactly what you did?
That would help a lot. :yes:
How about going into the settings and disabling the bill acceptor for the moment, drop a coin into the coin acceptor and see what happens? See if you get the coin-in jam error still?
You can always re-enable the bill acceptor afterwards.
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I had previously gone through and verified connections, checked for obvious pins bent or shorts, etc. and during that I managed to eject the bill handler. I pulled it out and went over it, opened it up and did a quick check to familiarize myself with it, then put it back. The error on startup changed from "Coin-in Jam" to a bill handling error, so I turned it off and re-checked the bill handler - and the error returned to Coin-in Jam. I think I just didn't have it seated all the way in and closed up as it should be.
This machine has no coin handling at all. It is bills/ticket only. That's why Coin-in Jam is so weird.
And I can't do anything in the menus - The buttons don't work. (They used to before the error). :Scratch-Head:
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When the buttons don't work, that usually means something is shorted.
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Do your reels spin backwards on boot?
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They spin top to bottom, right to left - as they should.
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One of your senet devices is bad. You can try following this video. I would watch the video entirely and if your confused by the direction don't try it.
Igt s2000 slot machine Senet diagnostic process
https://youtu.be/0wtvQSst3n8 (https://youtu.be/0wtvQSst3n8)
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Those two 14-pin Molex plugs that go to the forward and back I/O cards for 2-row button decks on the door panel is exactly what newbies get mixed up about...esp when there's a 9-line display panel on the reel glass.
I've seen many times the 9-line display panel harness running to the back I/O card....wrong!
In the video, the fella never mentioned that the buffer on the 801 I/O card was completely blown at the [C5] location.... :rotfl:
You'll only see it for a brief second in the video.....I took a screenshot of it! lol
Click on screenshot to enlarge if needed to see blown chip...>>>
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Those two 14-pin Molex plugs that go to the forward and back I/O cards for 2-row button decks on the door panel is exactly what newbies get mixed up about...esp when there's a 9-line display panel on the reel glass.
I've seen many times the 9 -line display panel harness running to the back I/O card....wrong!
In the video, the fella never mentioned that the buffer on the 801 I/O card was completely blown.... :rotfl: You'll only see it for a brief second in the video.....I took a screenshot of it! lol
No buffers were harmed in the making of that video. I used a bad door card just to make that video. The game was fully functional before i purposely broke it.
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oh okay! That explains why they worked! haha Thanks!
Awesome testing video for checking out Senet problems by the way!! :cool_thumb_up:
I didn't look at the schematics...was it a buffer or a fuse blown at [C5]?
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Thats a capacitor they are one of the most common failures on door cards.
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Thats a capacitor they are one of the most common failures on door cards.
Thank you...I should order some caps and repair a few down cards I have. Awessome! :cool_thumb_up:
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HEY! Let's keep this about me guys. :D :Crazy:
I will look at it first chance I get. Thank you.
I did carefully examine U62 on the MPU for any visible faults, none there... And it sounds like I need to check the molex connectors too. That wouldn't make sense to me though, because it was working and then stopped, and I *know* I didn't change anything in between, since I finally had a working machine. I wouldn't jinx it like that. :)
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haha yup!
In many ways, it is about your problem that you're having!
You learn a lot from the guys chatting about slot stuff around here!....in the end, you'll be wishing we did this more often!! haha
Someday you will blow out a card and this is how you fix it! :cool_thumb_up: But your wiring is suspect too because it's an "unseen" thing under the covering.
We slot guys check EVERYTHING!! :yes:
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I know, I was just being myself. Sorry, that's my humor. :)
I hope that someday I will be able to contribute something useful enough to this forum that others will find it helpful. For now, I'm almost entirely dependent on your vast knowledge to get me over one hill at a time.
Retro, thanks for the video. It will help. I watched it quickly and it all made sense, but I need to go back and make sure I follow which harness goes where for each step in the process. :)
Bunker, you're consistently helpful to me - Thanks.
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A quick update:
I tried everything in Retro's video, and probably a thousand other attempts to get it back. No luck.
Today I went out and started working through the wiring, making sure that each wire was pushed in and straightened out. I tried unplugging the ballasts with no change.
Then, in desperation, I tried one last time...and it worked!
It's been running all day as it should. So while I cannot pin it down, I'm going to say that it is something in the wiring harness or connectors. I'm sure it will return, but when it does I'll start here instead of where I did before.
Thank you for all the help.
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Well, after a long hiatus and storage, I'm back to this machine... Same "Coin-in Jam" and "Closure MB" errors. Buttons don't work.
I'll be posting again in this thread, since it's the same machine and the same errors. Be prepared for lots of parts requests incoming... :)
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you only have one error right now, that's the coin in jam.
the closure MB is not an error but just stating that the mail door and Bill Val doors are closed.
Bob
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Thanks, Bob - Understood.
Some observations:
1. Deck buttons seem unreliable. They light up one time, then don't the next. Reseating I/O cards (With power off) seems to have an effect, but they revert to non-functional eventually.
2. The BV lights up immediately on power-on, shows all lights briefly, then only the blue ambulance light blinking... This happens before the machine completes the self-test and reel spins. Does the bill validator report the coin-in jam error to the MPU? Or is it an I/O line to the MPU?
3. I have a spare 203 I/O module, which I've changed out without really impacting the errors. It seems that the card on the side of the MPU frame is a 200... Anyone have a spare they could sell? It feels like I should have one, even if it doesn't fix today's issues.
I hope to get more time this evening to look at it. Any suggestions on items to prioritize?
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Posting to follow up on the second incarnation of this thread.
It now appears to be working, with the exception of the printer not printing and the TITO not TITO'ing. I've started a different thread for those.
Fix was to replace the MPU board at the end of the day.
Can you get them refurbished, or do I scrap the bad one?