Author Topic: TITO on an Aristocrat MK6 machine? (Read 6803 times)

techtoons · « **on:** December 16, 2019, 12:15:35 PM »

Hi All,

Has anyone tried to get a bettor TITO running on an Aristocrat MK6 machine? I've got it running nicely on a Ballys and an IGT machine, and getting ready to try to get it working on my MK6 machines.

I've got two (Wicked Winnings and Timber Wolf). Timber wolf has a 9 pin d-sub, the Wicked Winnings does not have one visible.

Jim said he and someone else had tinkered with it unsuccessfully, but with this pool of folks, maybe someone else has made it work or has some tips?

Thanks
-Jay

Stayouttadabunker · « **Reply #1 on:** December 16, 2019, 12:48:50 PM »

The Bettor TITO gadget is only designed to work on certain platforms as far as I know.

You might want to ask the distributor if they can make one for the Aristocrat MK6?

rickhunter · « **Reply #2 on:** December 16, 2019, 02:49:56 PM »

It does not work with Bettor Tito deluxe. Aristocrat does not support SAS System validation, which is the only version supported by Bettor Tito. You need something that supports enhanced validation for the Aristocrat machines.

techtoons · « **Reply #3 on:** December 16, 2019, 08:07:48 PM »

Are there any docs on the Aristocrat protocol?

techtoons · « **Reply #4 on:** December 16, 2019, 09:04:34 PM »

I was doing some searching and found references to an SPC board to take Aristocrat's ASP protocol and convert it to SAS. The messages were a bit lean on any details. I found an SPC board on Suzo-Happ, and pictures of them around the web.

Anyone know about these, or can point me to the right place for more info?

-Jay

rickhunter · « **Reply #5 on:** December 17, 2019, 12:35:29 PM »

Yes you do need that board in addition to a system that supports enhanced SAS validation, none of the TITO boards support that at this time. A member here is working on a Windows OS solution, it involves running software on a pc and connecting it to your slot machine through RS-232 right into that spc board. I have helped in the past testing it and it worked on my Aristocrat MKVII machine, so it will also work on an MKVI as they use the same protocols. Here's the link to one of his posts. His software supports enhanced validation.

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=23904.msg127435#msg127435

techtoons · « **Reply #6 on:** December 17, 2019, 12:38:57 PM »

Sounds like a good project, do you need an extra hand for testing? I'm fairly up on Windows programming (C#, Javascript, VB (old school)).

-Jay

techtoons · « **Reply #7 on:** December 17, 2019, 12:42:50 PM »

Rick, that link went to a Bally machine with Bettor Tito discussion, is that what you meant?

rickhunter · « **Reply #8 on:** December 17, 2019, 12:49:25 PM »

I linked the post because the originator of the post is the author of Slots @ home program that works with Aristocrat machines. PM him about it.

bogan · « **Reply #9 on:** December 17, 2019, 02:53:10 PM »

If someone can get me some SAS software for Ari MK6 I will have a go. I use the orange Pi Zero currently to talk QCOM to many brands of machines, and I want to implement SAS also, just dont have a SAS machine. Hopefully SAS game chips will work in an Aussie cabinet.

BTW, what system are you currently using for TITO?

rickhunter · « **Reply #10 on:** December 17, 2019, 06:20:50 PM »

I use the bettor tito solution for all my machines. I only have one Aristocrat Viridian WS cabinet and for that I use the slots @ home program whenever I want to put in credits and don't want to use currency.

Paul · « **Reply #11 on:** December 17, 2019, 07:32:44 PM »

If you can get this working you can put me down for two!

bogan · « **Reply #12 on:** December 17, 2019, 07:51:08 PM »

So I looked at the betor TITO stuff very briefly, and if the owner is keen to let me have a go, I can integrate to that system. Saves me having to redesign the whole system. I'll read up a bit more on it later on today.

BTW, if anyone can get me a copy of some SAS games for Ari MK6 I will start playing with it ASAP. Just need images of the ROMS, hopefully it will work in an Aussie cabinet.

I all ready have written a truck load of code for SAS protocol, so should be fairly straight forward.

iwalker · « **Reply #13 on:** December 18, 2019, 04:55:08 AM »

Most International Aristocrats AFAIK use ASP (Aristocrat Serial Protocol).
the SPC 2 board converts this protocol to SAS for systems that talk SAS only. Some systems can talk to both protocols.

Not sure if there is a SPC version that translates QCOM to ASP.
Have never found any protocol info on ASP and have not played with QCOM but since both originated in OZ is suspect there may be some similarities.

First prize would be a device that talks ASP so that members do not have to use SPC converters.

bogan · « **Reply #14 on:** December 18, 2019, 12:34:00 PM »

Quote from: iwalker on December 18, 2019, 04:55:08 AM

Most International Aristocrats AFAIK use ASP (Aristocrat Serial Protocol).
the SPC 2 board converts this protocol to SAS for systems that talk SAS only. Some systems can talk to both protocols.

Not sure if there is a SPC version that translates QCOM to ASP.
Have never found any protocol info on ASP and have not played with QCOM but since both originated in OZ is suspect there may be some similarities.

First prize would be a device that talks ASP so that members do not have to use SPC converters.

ASP is actually really hard to get info on. I was looking at adding ASP to some stuff of mine at one stage, so I do have some vague docs on it somewhere, but not a full protocol spec. Once again, the problem for me is getting my hands on an ASP machine to test against.

Protocols that I am familiar with are SAS, QCOM, X-Series, VLC, plus a couple of older protocols that most people probably have not heard of.

bogan · « **Reply #15 on:** December 18, 2019, 12:51:47 PM »

I see that BettorSlots is a moderator here. I tried to send a private message to see if James was keen to work with me on a solution but I I kept getting the following error.

One or more 'to'-recipients could not be found.

techtoons · « **Reply #16 on:** December 18, 2019, 06:06:23 PM »

I've been talking to Jim about getting my Aristocrat boxes to work with Bettor Tito. I use Bettor Tito boards on my Bally and IGT machines and it "just works." (applause for Jim!)

I'm trying now to get it going on the MK6 machines and heard about the SPC2 boards. That seems to be a better option that trying to roll my own, with very very scarce info on ASP. Now I need to get my hands on one (anyone here got a spare?)

--Jay

bogan · « **Reply #17 on:** December 18, 2019, 07:39:44 PM »

Just looking back through some old paperwork, looks like I do have a copy of ASP protocol spec. Whilst I have not tested it yet, there is also an ASP simulator included, so I can possibly use that to test and debug. I'll go start reading to paperwork. I had intentions to also support ASP on some commercial software, so now is as good a time as any to start writing code.

EDIT. The sim software looks like its been stripped out by an email program, so once again would need game software to test. I'll poke around the MAME archives and see if I can find an ASP game for the mk6

techtoons · « **Reply #18 on:** December 19, 2019, 07:15:06 PM »

Bogan,
I'd be interested in taking a look at the ASP protocol. I also was wondering how you tell the difference between an ASP game and one that's not (Age? Copyright?)

-Jay

bogan · « **Reply #19 on:** December 20, 2019, 09:23:25 PM »

Quote from: techtoons on December 19, 2019, 07:15:06 PM

Bogan,
I'd be interested in taking a look at the ASP protocol. I also was wondering how you tell the difference between an ASP game and one that's not (Age? Copyright?)

-Jay

I am covered under an NDA (I think, I will check) on the ASP stuff, so I cant really give up the info. However there is nothing stopping me writing code that uses it, and I can package that up into an application for people to use.

I dare say they best way to tell if the game is ASP is to hunt through the Audit menu's looking for clues. Pretty sure the port on the Mark 6 is called a DACOM port, but I am not 100% certain.

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