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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2022, 09:16:04 AM »
When you close and fully latch the door, does the winner paid amount briefly go out and then come back on?

I really don't know. The MB is out awaiting a new battery so I can't check anything at this time.
I agree that maybe it's a door open situation.

After I get the fresh battery installed, I can check this out.

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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2022, 09:33:01 AM »
The board with the battery.
Is the MPU board.

The motherboard is the small fixed board that the MPU plugs into.
It should be 15secs to slide the MPU back into the machine and test.

Without trying to sound pissy, several members here have chimed in trying to help you resolve the issues your facing, and you appear to be sitting idle waiting for a battery to arrive which is likely not your issue, and may introduce a mirriot of other issues. If I were you I would pop that board back in do some of the tests suggested.  If you don’t own a SET and Clear chips I would order those in as they may be needed to enable the bill validator and reset the cmos after a battery change.


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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2022, 11:07:29 AM »
Yes I agree. And if you need some help or questions - PM me, I can give you my cell number.
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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2022, 01:54:32 PM »
The board with the battery.
Is the MPU board.

The motherboard is the small fixed board that the MPU plugs into.
It should be 15secs to slide the MPU back into the machine and test.

Without trying to sound pissy, several members here have chimed in trying to help you resolve the issues your facing, and you appear to be sitting idle waiting for a battery to arrive which is likely not your issue, and may introduce a mirriot of other issues. If I were you I would pop that board back in do some of the tests suggested.  If you don’t own a SET and Clear chips I would order those in as they may be needed to enable the bill validator and reset the cmos after a battery change.

O.K. I'm sorry about using the wrong term for the MPU. You have to keep in mind that I'm not a slot machine repairman. I'm just a senior citizen with a couple of machines in my home bar area that the famoly plays with when visiting.  I'm pretty handy but it's possible that the technical terms elude me from time to time.

I spent two days trying to figure out how to reduce the size of the photos I took of the machine, the MPU, door, etc. I think I've finally got it and I'll try to post a photo or two to see if it works.

I don't know what a SET and Clear Chip are. I'm assuming that I'd have to remove a specific chip on the MPU and install one of these replacement chips in it's place to get the machine to work again. Do I leave it in place then?
I had to replace a chip on my Game King a couple years ago, it actually replaced the chip that was in place when I bought the machine.
I don't want to screw up anything bu putting something in that I should not be putting there.
I really don't know where to obtain the two chips and if there are different chips, being sure to get the correct one.

The battery arrived by mail yesterday. Today it's time to solder it into place. You said that this might cause other problems. Again, I'm not sure what other issues I might cause by installing a fresh exact replacement battery.

I will put a piece of strong tape across the bill box door to keep it tightly closed leaving only the main door and the belly door that might be a cause of this problem. Because this is and always will be a machine for home use, would it be possible to simply eliminate the door sensors and maybe just splice the two wires together to produce a closed circuit so that the machine thinks the door is actually closed. ?

Also, I'd love to have a way to add credits to allow the family to just pay credits and avoid using coins. I'm open to suggestions in this regard.

So there you have it. I'm trying my best to fix this problem and I'm trying to learn the ins and outs of the repair that needed.

If I  an get the photo to post, I'll add additional photos that may give some insight into the machine.

Thanks again,

Keats
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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2022, 01:59:10 PM »
28 July 22
Trying to post a few photos.

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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2022, 02:04:48 PM »
28 July 22
Trying a few more photos.

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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2022, 02:08:09 PM »
7/28/22

More pics

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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2022, 02:14:49 PM »
7/28/22

Last photos.

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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2022, 04:15:52 PM »
The majority of us are not slot techs. We are a community of home enthusiasts, and we are here helping each other.

The S+ slot is governed by two CMOS chips, one is on the Motherboard (fixed board) the other is on the MPU.
When you drop a couple of coins, pull the handle, the details of your transaction is captured by these two Cmos chips.
If the power was to die right in the middle of the spin, and come on hours later, the spin would complete just as if nothing happened.
The two CMOS chips stay in perfect sync with each other, through the book keeping features of the slot can be audited at any time for details like coin in, coin out.
lifetime payback percentage,  last xx games etc. In the casino world - integrity of the game is important and must be able to be verified to regulators at the drop of a hat.

When you change the game - glass, reel strips, and the Reel and Game Chip - the CMOS realizes its not the same game you get a 61 error.
You then hold the white button, the machine dings, goes to a 61-1 error, close the door, turn the jackpot reset key, the reels spin and your ready to play.
This gets the CMOS chips to clear a bunch of their counters etc but its all in harmony with each other. This is all done to protect the integrity of the game.
In the Casino world this is a big deal and a game change needs to be authorized by regulatory authorities etc.  The accountants get involved and a lot of detail is written down etc. Often the slot company comes out and does this for the casino. In reality the changing of the game is a simple procedure for the home enthusiast  (no regulatory red tape).  I have 60 different game kits for my machines, with the glass taking the longest part of the process to change.

When you change the battery - some times (search the site for 61 loop) the cmos gets corrupted and the 61, becomes a 61-1 and then goes back to 61 and never clears. To fix this you need a Clear chip, you pull the game chip, insert the clear chip, press the white button, it counts down - basically reformatting the two CMOS chips back to factory, you then pull the clear chip, insert your game chip and your back in operation.

You will then find that your hopper limits are back to the default of 300, there are no reel sounds, all pays go to the tray not the credit meter etc. You can follow the PSR sheet that matches your game chip (Program Summary Report) to reset these values to however you like them (and many more). You will also find that your bill validator does not light up.. If you post your game chip number and ask nicely for the PSR someone will send it to you, or if your a contributing member you have access to this in our downloads section.

The S+ really does not know what denomination it is - if the coin dropped in - matches the sample coin you get a credit. As it pertains to the bill validator you put a dollar in - the machine has no clue as to how many credits to give. If its a quarter machine you want it to give 4, if its a Nickle 20, a penny 100. To program this and to activate the bill validator you use a SET chip. Its used in the same manner as the clear, you pull the game chip, you put in the set chip, you choose the denomination you want.  Then you save it, and put your game chip back into the machine.  When you turn your machine on the validator bezel will be lit and it will accept bills.












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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2022, 04:49:50 PM »
The majority of us are not slot techs. We are a community of home enthusiasts, and we are here helping each other.

The S+ slot is governed by two CMOS chips, one is on the Motherboard (fixed board) the other is on the MPU.
When you drop a couple of coins, pull the handle, the details of your transaction is captured by these two Cmos chips.
If the power was to die right in the middle of the spin, and come on hours later, the spin would complete just as if nothing happened.
The two CMOS chips stay in perfect sync with each other, through the book keeping features of the slot can be audited at any time for details like coin in, coin out.
lifetime payback percentage,  last xx games etc. In the casino world - integrity of the game is important and must be able to be verified to regulators at the drop of a hat.

When you change the game - glass, reel strips, and the Reel and Game Chip - the CMOS realizes its not the same game you get a 61 error.
You then hold the white button, the machine dings, goes to a 61-1 error, close the door, turn the jackpot reset key, the reels spin and your ready to play.
This gets the CMOS chips to clear a bunch of their counters etc but its all in harmony with each other. This is all done to protect the integrity of the game.
In the Casino world this is a big deal and a game change needs to be authorized by regulatory authorities etc.  The accountants get involved and a lot of detail is written down etc. Often the slot company comes out and does this for the casino. In reality the changing of the game is a simple procedure for the home enthusiast  (no regulatory red tape).  I have 60 different game kits for my machines, with the glass taking the longest part of the process to change.

When you change the battery - some times (search the site for 61 loop) the cmos gets corrupted and the 61, becomes a 61-1 and then goes back to 61 and never clears. To fix this you need a Clear chip, you pull the game chip, insert the clear chip, press the white button, it counts down - basically reformatting the two CMOS chips back to factory, you then pull the clear chip, insert your game chip and your back in operation.

You will then find that your hopper limits are back to the default of 300, there are no reel sounds, all pays go to the tray not the credit meter etc. You can follow the PSR sheet that matches your game chip (Program Summary Report) to reset these values to however you like them (and many more). You will also find that your bill validator does not light up.. If you post your game chip number and ask nicely for the PSR someone will send it to you, or if your a contributing member you have access to this in our downloads section.

The S+ really does not know what denomination it is - if the coin dropped in - matches the sample coin you get a credit. As it pertains to the bill validator you put a dollar in - the machine has no clue as to how many credits to give. If its a quarter machine you want it to give 4, if its a Nickle 20, a penny 100. To program this and to activate the bill validator you use a SET chip. Its used in the same manner as the clear, you pull the game chip, you put in the set chip, you choose the denomination you want.  Then you save it, and put your game chip back into the machine.  When you turn your machine on the validator bezel will be lit and it will accept bills.
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Wow. !!  That's a lot of info. Thank You very much. It's starting to make a little sense now.

I posted a bunch of photos after I was able to downsize them. Of all the chips on the MPU, how do I determine which is the "Game Chip" to remove to insert the Clear Chip. I'm a bit timid about messing this all up. On the board there is a chip in a socket with printing on the board reading GAME PROM and the chip has a paper tag with SP731 hand written on it. Is that the Game Chip.? Seems pretty straight forward. I just don't want to assume anything.

Next to it is a chip in socket with REEL PROM written above it on the board and a printed paper tag that reads S+ Reel SS3721 L91-0419 on the chip itself.
On the other side of the GAME CHIP is a similar chip (same size as the other two) in a socket labeled CMOS. A little further away is a chip that has Sound printed on the chip itself.
Next to the REEL Chip is another larger chip with more connections and no identifiers.
Lastly, there is an open socket that is the same size as the GAME and REEL and CMOS chips. It has nothing written next to it. It's just an Open Socket..

I'll try reinstalling the MPU board and I'll try the machine. If it still won't work, I'll post additional information about it's status.

Next question is where do I obtain a Clear chip and a Set Chip if needed. Are they game specific or just a generic S+ set of chips to fix my S+ machine. ?

Thanks again,
Keats
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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2022, 04:53:09 PM »
The reel eprom is installed backward, probably fried it.  :talktothehand:

I have never removed any chips from this machine. It was functioning well except for the BV until it stopped working. This is the first time I've even removed the coin hopper to get to the circuit boards. So if the chip was installed the wrong way, that's how it's been for the past two years that I owned and used it.

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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2022, 06:42:52 PM »
The comparator light goes off when the door is opened, that's why you don't see light on the LED.

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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2022, 06:45:27 PM »
I have never removed any chips from this machine. It was functioning well except for the BV until it stopped working. This is the first time I've even removed the coin hopper to get to the circuit boards. So if the chip was installed the wrong way, that's how it's been for the past two years that I owned and used it.

I think Mark is saying that based on the fact that the SP731 label was put on backwards?  If you look closely one end of the chip has a notch right in the middle.  The socket underneath will also have a notch and that is the important indicator of the the proper chip orientation.  Seeing as the SS chip is also installed with the same orientation  I'm betting it is correctly installed.  Don't worry about empty sockets, that's normal.

Yes, the Game PROM chip (SP731) is removed and replaced with the proper set chip to allow you to enable certain options such as the BV.  User RB or Jim @ Midwest slots (among others) can supply you with the correct set chip for your game.  After the set is applied you replace the original SP game chip to continue.

There is a lot of good information in the FAQ entry at the top of this forum with tips on how to drill down on the particulars of using the set chip, and how to look up details on your chipset.

Attached is the PSR for SP731.
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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2022, 10:37:28 AM »
30 July 2022

O.K., I think I've got it figured out. After speaking with a friend, he suggested a You Tube video and I watched it. Same machine as mine but it was a Double Diamond game. Mine is a Triple Play. Inside they look identical. Same MPU etc.

In the video they showed a code 12 in the Winner Paid window. Same as mine. Hmmm?

They replaced the battery that was showing a zero voltage and went thru the Clear Chip procedures and the Code 61-1 and 61 and eventually got the machine up and running again.
Very easy to follow their instructions.
 I put my MPU back into the machine just now and sure enough, I got a code 12 in the winner paid window. I did not realize that this was a fault code when I first saw it. I assumed it was that the winner was paid 12 coins. Duh !!!
I had not played the machine for some time and I thought it was something from a game played by the dog sitter last time we were out of town. I took a photo of this condition and will try to post it with this reply.

So, I have a new fresh battery and all I need is to obtain a S+ Clear Ram Chip and possibly a Set Chip too and hopefully I'll have it up and running again. Sorry it took so long to get to the actual problem.
If I can find the chips here for a reasonable price, I'll grab them. Otherwise, it's E.Bay for them.
Any ideas ? I'm always open to suggestions about how to get this fixed...

Thanks and I'll keep everyone posted of my progress. It may take a while because I have to get the chips first.

Keats
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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2022, 10:45:19 AM »
Go ahead and replace the battery.  You should not need a clear chip. You will need a set chip to enable the bill validator.

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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2022, 06:20:14 PM »
Then you'll need to read this...>>>

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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2022, 12:16:15 PM »
Then you'll need to read this...>>>

http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/dbv.htm


Good information. Thank You.
Question, assuming that my B.V. is actually good but not enabled due to a previous battery replacement before I bought this machine, How do I determine the version of the chip in the B.V.?

Mine has a few small stickers on it and the first one reads:

IDO23  V3.11.11 below that on the same sticker it reads DBV 145-SS   M1 and right below that it reads 08/04/98   512K.

The next sticker reads IDO 023 and right below that on the same sticker it reads V.3.30 (then something illegible ) 1/03. I should note that this sticker it on top on another sticker.

So do I have a version 3.11.11 chip inside the B.V.? Is there a way to remove the B.V. and access the chip itself to see what (if any) markings it may have on it.

I've looked for a video or instructions about how to do this but so far - No Luck..

It looks like it should come apart with just a few screws and the circuit board / chip would remain in place uncovered allowing me to see the chip. I don't want to just start taking screws out without instructions. Can I trust that the stickers on the B.V. are accurate?

If you have any links to repairs / upgrade videos or photos / drawings, please let me know.

I'll try to post photos of the B.V. and the stickers here..

Thanks
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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2022, 12:45:22 PM »
Those 145s are very old so it's probably updated as far as it can go. It is pretty limited and may not even work.  Get the machine working before messing with the BV.  Did you change the battery yet?

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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2022, 03:25:28 PM »
Those 145s are very old so it's probably updated as far as it can go. It is pretty limited and may not even work.  Get the machine working before messing with the BV.  Did you change the battery yet?

Clear RAM chip and Set chip will be here this week. Battery to be replaced when they arrive.
Hoping that the BV works after I do the Set chip procedure, (if needed).  Just wanted to know if the BV chip was the latest version for that BV.
Still can't find a disassembly video. photos, for the BV. So what if I wanted to replace the chip in the BV. How would I get it open to access the chip.?

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Re: IGT S+ three reel slot. Won't accept coins
« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2022, 05:38:06 PM »
Don't think any 145s had eproms you could upgrade, you would have to send it to someone and get it flashed.  Be much better off upgrading to a WBA12/13 setup. 


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