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Author Topic: Bally 809-ZZN Full Restoration.  (Read 38610 times)

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #140 on: September 28, 2022, 02:02:49 PM »
Payout relay.
Somehow I had a mind fart. Brown 60 is what is the schematics, I put a brown white 65.

Their is a ton of wiring, it's difficult to keep it straight.  :Scratch-Head:
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #141 on: September 28, 2022, 02:08:08 PM »
I put extra wires on each wire I used in the Pay Out Relay since I don't know what wire I need to use on another part.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #142 on: September 28, 2022, 02:14:00 PM »
The payout coil is rather complicated however I just take my time.

The issue I have is the 8200 1/2" watt resistor. I need to source.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #143 on: September 28, 2022, 02:31:40 PM »
My next one is the set up arm switches. I'm still trying to figure it out on the wiring diagram.
Both are NO.

I think I figured it out. Both switches have to be wire # 93 and 98 to work either way.
« Last Edit: September 28, 2022, 04:09:01 PM by David Walz »
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #144 on: September 28, 2022, 09:02:45 PM »
More wiring.

Pay out counter Step up arm.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #145 on: September 28, 2022, 09:06:43 PM »
More wiring.

KK  pay out relay.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #146 on: September 29, 2022, 08:43:16 AM »
there's supposed to be two switches in parallel on the payout relay for the 120V for the hopper motor/override solenoid.

usually solid bare wires were connected between two adjacent switches before the switch was installed into the game. 

in your case, add a couple bare wires to make wires 50 and 52-2 connect to the bottom switch also like in the pic below.

it was pretty common to see the harness wires attached to the bare wires in between the lugs, rather than attached to the lugs directly.  I'd disconnect your 50 and 52-2 wires, add bare wires, and reconnect 50 and 52-2 to the bottom lugs or the bare wires so they are further away from the top switch wiring.

in addition, the hopper motor/override solenoid contacts (red arrows) are usually high power tungsten.  Both tungsten contacts on each switch blade are the bigger flat "hockey puck" style.  Normal switch contacts have a flat contact and a smaller domed contact, but the flat contact is not tungsten and is a little smaller than a tungsten one.

if you have regular contacts on the 120V hopper switches, it'll still work, they'll just wear away faster from the normal arcing that occurs.

there's no rule where the double wires attach - manufacturing convenience and reducing wire length were the main factors.  In general tho, you don't want a bunch of double wires in the switch stacks as the bulk makes soldering the wires to the lugs awkward ... plus you're relying more on the insulating sleeve to make sure the wires don't short to adjacent wires. 

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #147 on: September 29, 2022, 09:02:12 AM »
More wiring.

Pay out counter Step up arm.

oops again :-)

the payout counter step-up arm switches are not connected in parallel ... two independent switches per below.  You have the 98 and 93 right (green highlight) but the other switch should be wired per the red highlight.

however, the count unit is only used to control meters which you may not have, so you could leave the count unit not working and either keep the switch wiring like you have it or cut the bare wire and leave one switch unused.

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #148 on: September 29, 2022, 11:10:22 AM »
there's supposed to be two switches in parallel on the payout relay for the 120V for the hopper motor/override solenoid.

usually solid bare wires were connected between two adjacent switches before the switch was installed into the game. 

in your case, add a couple bare wires to make wires 50 and 52-2 connect to the bottom switch also like in the pic below.

it was pretty common to see the harness wires attached to the bare wires in between the lugs, rather than attached to the lugs directly.  I'd disconnect your 50 and 52-2 wires, add bare wires, and reconnect 50 and 52-2 to the bottom lugs or the bare wires so they are further away from the top switch wiring.

in addition, the hopper motor/override solenoid contacts (red arrows) are usually high power tungsten.  Both tungsten contacts on each switch blade are the bigger flat "hockey puck" style.  Normal switch contacts have a flat contact and a smaller domed contact, but the flat contact is not tungsten and is a little smaller than a tungsten one.

if you have regular contacts on the 120V hopper switches, it'll still work, they'll just wear away faster from the normal arcing that occurs.

there's no rule where the double wires attach - manufacturing convenience and reducing wire length were the main factors.  In general tho, you don't want a bunch of double wires in the switch stacks as the bulk makes soldering the wires to the lugs awkward ... plus you're relying more on the insulating sleeve to make sure the wires don't short to adjacent wires.

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I am thankful for your help.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #149 on: September 29, 2022, 11:11:19 AM »
More wiring.

Pay out counter Step up arm.

oops again :-)

the payout counter step-up arm switches are not connected in parallel ... two independent switches per below.  You have the 98 and 93 right (green highlight) but the other switch should be wired per the red highlight.

however, the count unit is only used to control meters which you may not have, so you could leave the count unit not working and either keep the switch wiring like you have it or cut the bare wire and leave one switch unused.

Awesome, will get it done.  :thank_you:
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #150 on: September 29, 2022, 05:24:53 PM »
Revised pay out counter wiring.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #151 on: September 29, 2022, 05:32:28 PM »
Payout relay revised. Motor wiring.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #152 on: September 29, 2022, 11:55:47 PM »
The reset pawl. It calls for two switches on the parts diagram, "NO". I can only locate one "RESET PAWL". So I don't know if this has a second "RESET PAWL" or not.
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Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #153 on: September 30, 2022, 07:05:05 AM »
The reset pawl. It calls for two switches on the parts diagram, "NO". I can only locate one "RESET PAWL". So I don't know if this has a second "RESET PAWL" or not.
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yup.  Turns on the winner paid light. 

when the reset solenoid fires, the pawls are locked up away from the ratchet teeth and the reset pawl switch is held open.  That turns off the "winner paid" light.  When a payout happens, the pawls flop down on the ratchet teeth and the switch is closed.  The winner paid light then stays on until the payout counter is reset.

you need to attach your 48-1 and 91-2 wires to the rightmost (oops) leftmost switch in the picture.  The other switch isn't used on the 809.
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #154 on: September 30, 2022, 02:42:54 PM »
Thanks.  :thank_you:
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #155 on: September 30, 2022, 02:43:38 PM »
More hopper wiring.
The reset pawl only needed one switch. I removed one of the switches.
Wolftalk has been a important part of the wiring the hopper correctly.

 

Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #156 on: September 30, 2022, 02:57:21 PM »
uh-oh ... you removed the wrong switch.

my wife has now explained to me how "right" and "left" work.   Apparently I shoulda said "you need to attach your 48-1 and 91-2 wires to the leftmost switch in the picture"

you need the switch to be open when the payout counter is reset, closed when the payout counter is stepped 1+ times.

sorry about that.

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #157 on: September 30, 2022, 03:00:31 PM »
This wiring is for the hopper SWS. I was trying to figure out what it the name was, Wolftalk was able to help me out.
The switches, brackets, are being mailed to me, so now I'm ready.
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #158 on: September 30, 2022, 03:11:36 PM »
uh-oh ... you removed the wrong switch.

my wife has now explained to me how "right" and "left" work.   Apparently I shoulda said "you need to attach your 48-1 and 91-2 wires to the leftmost switch in the picture"

you need the switch to be open when the payout counter is reset, closed when the payout counter is stepped 1+ times.

sorry about that.

Right now the switch is open when the pawl is reset, when you activate the reset pawl it closes the circuit.  :wave:
 
Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #159 on: September 30, 2022, 03:14:54 PM »
Working on the delay relay.
I'm building it from scratch, really from scratch. I had to build the platform, switches, coil, you name it.

The wires are redundant, looped together. 

Bally Model: V5500 25¢1995
Bally 3 reel model: 1114 $1.00 3 coin multiplier, 1977
Bally 3 reel Model: 1090-29, 25¢, 3 coin multiplier, 1979
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN, 5¢ Mint Hotel and Casino,  5 coin multiplier, 1970
Bally 3 reel Model: 831-4Z 25¢ Frontier Hotel and casino, 3 coin multiplayer,1975
Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year: March 1990
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Wasilla Locksmith safe and vault.

 

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