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Author Topic: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.  (Read 2424 times)

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #100 on: September 18, 2022, 11:47:54 PM »
Check the starter to see if it is seated properly.
Sometimes they will slip back and loose connection.
Same with the lamp if it was seated / locked in.
Assuming there’s power to the transformer.

I checked, no power to the belly glass.
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN 1970, 5¢ Mint Hotel
----_-----------------
Make: Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year:March 1990
---------------------
Make: Bally Reels: 3 reel Model: 1090,25¢,
3 coin multiplier Cabinet style: Upright/Standard Year:1979

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #101 on: September 19, 2022, 03:24:03 AM »
Now a the difficult part, the 110V power. The old wire was a mess, cracked, you name it, it was awful. So reading my electrical drawing until my eyes hurt, I believe that I have figured out the wires to a point.
The 110V leg  belongs on the 50V 8AMP lug, and the other belongs on the 120V 5AMP.
Now I have a red wire and a yellow wire next to this fuse block that came from their. That's the hic up. I am having a difficult time figuring out the exact location. Yellow is the common wire for the low voltage electrical.
Red is the issue.
I need more time to figure this out.
don't plug in the game like that!  It's not right yet.

short answer:
1]  the black wire from your power cord going to the 120V fuse is correct (unless you have a power switch added to the game). 
2] the white wire from the power cord should connect to the red wire
3] the orange/red wire connects to the 50V fuse where you currently have the white power cord wire.


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the other end of the orange/red wire goes to transformer lug 2 ... so it's a wire between lug 2 and the 50V fuse.

the white wire from your power cord is effectively tied to a red wire AND a black wire(s).  This weirdness in connecting different wire colors together is due to the transformer supporting 120, 220 and 240 volt mains/wall power, so the various wires connect to different places depending on what your input voltage is.  When you have 220/240V mains, the transformer itself steps it down to 120V to power the motors, override solenoid, delay relay, etc.

a common wiring is the red wire is attached to transformer lug 7, the black wire(s) are attached to transformer lug 5 and there's a bare jumper wire connecting lug 5 and 7 together.

below is the usual diagram that is oddly missing from the 809 schematics, but it's not literally showing the wires.  It's just saying the 120V power cord wires are eventually connecting to transformer lugs 1/3 and 5/7.       

post a pic of your transformer wiring if not sure, but it looks like red is on lug 7, two blacks are on lug 5 and the jumper is there, so that's correct at the transformer.

eventually bally made it easy and you just moved a connector between two molex plugs to configure the game for 120V or 220/240V.   The earlier games you had to change jumper wiring on the transformer and/or maybe move where the red wire attached to the transformer.

Everything is OK. I followed your instructions and now were lit up. Thanks
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN 1970, 5¢ Mint Hotel
----_-----------------
Make: Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year:March 1990
---------------------
Make: Bally Reels: 3 reel Model: 1090,25¢,
3 coin multiplier Cabinet style: Upright/Standard Year:1979

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #102 on: September 19, 2022, 03:26:11 PM »
I need to figure out what coin this disk assembly takes. I have no idea what it is, however M-645-118 is the contact plate.

Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN 1970, 5¢ Mint Hotel
----_-----------------
Make: Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year:March 1990
---------------------
Make: Bally Reels: 3 reel Model: 1090,25¢,
3 coin multiplier Cabinet style: Upright/Standard Year:1979

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #103 on: September 19, 2022, 03:28:08 PM »
I got the wiring diagram in today, put it up in the garage, this makes it so much easier.
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN 1970, 5¢ Mint Hotel
----_-----------------
Make: Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year:March 1990
---------------------
Make: Bally Reels: 3 reel Model: 1090,25¢,
3 coin multiplier Cabinet style: Upright/Standard Year:1979

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #104 on: September 19, 2022, 03:30:20 PM »
The pay out counter Assembly is coming along.The coils are in place so I can assemble the payout counter. I have to read up and figure out the numbers.

Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN 1970, 5¢ Mint Hotel
----_-----------------
Make: Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year:March 1990
---------------------
Make: Bally Reels: 3 reel Model: 1090,25¢,
3 coin multiplier Cabinet style: Upright/Standard Year:1979

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #105 on: September 20, 2022, 12:26:15 PM »
After further study with a nickel, I think its the correct size.
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN 1970, 5¢ Mint Hotel
----_-----------------
Make: Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year:March 1990
---------------------
Make: Bally Reels: 3 reel Model: 1090,25¢,
3 coin multiplier Cabinet style: Upright/Standard Year:1979

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #106 on: September 20, 2022, 12:56:16 PM »
maybe I'm interpreting the picture wrong, but it looks like the pinwheel/coin shelf disc was a nickel disc, but someone milled it for a larger coin diameter.

the edge of the coin should be sitting on the edge of the inner coin shelf disc, and the distance from the shelf disc to outer pinwheel disc for a nickel game is around 19mm.

your pic and mine are old style hoppers - the most obvious indication is the motor is off to the side and there's a wiffle ball arm in the scoop to detect the coin level.  The newer "snow" hopper had the motor directly behind pinwheel/coin shelf disc and no wiffle ball.  Another major difference on the snow hopper is the pinwheel and shelf disc are separate pieces, so if the pinwheel peg spacing is good enough, you could easily change the shelf disc for different coin diameters.  On the old style hopper, the pinwheel and shelf disc were one unit - probably milled from a single disc.
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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #107 on: September 20, 2022, 03:28:09 PM »
maybe I'm interpreting the picture wrong, but it looks like the pinwheel/coin shelf disc was a nickel disc, but someone milled it for a larger coin diameter.

the edge of the coin should be sitting on the edge of the inner coin shelf disc, and the distance from the shelf disc to outer pinwheel disc for a nickel game is around 19mm.

your pic and mine are old style hoppers - the most obvious indication is the motor is off to the side and there's a wiffle ball arm in the scoop to detect the coin level.  The newer "snow" hopper had the motor directly behind pinwheel/coin shelf disc and no wiffle ball.  Another major difference on the snow hopper is the pinwheel and shelf disc are separate pieces, so if the pinwheel peg spacing is good enough, you could easily change the shelf disc for different coin diameters.  On the old style hopper, the pinwheel and shelf disc were one unit - probably milled from a single disc.


Thanks, I'm going to go and cry now.
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN 1970, 5¢ Mint Hotel
----_-----------------
Make: Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year:March 1990
---------------------
Make: Bally Reels: 3 reel Model: 1090,25¢,
3 coin multiplier Cabinet style: Upright/Standard Year:1979

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #108 on: September 20, 2022, 03:32:14 PM »
Well, more work is accomplished.
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN 1970, 5¢ Mint Hotel
----_-----------------
Make: Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year:March 1990
---------------------
Make: Bally Reels: 3 reel Model: 1090,25¢,
3 coin multiplier Cabinet style: Upright/Standard Year:1979

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #109 on: September 20, 2022, 07:35:40 PM »
I'm working on the wiring, I'm using a 30 pin connector which has more wiring, then I salvaged most of the correct wiring colors.

I still need:
2' green yellow wire
2' red gray wire
2' yellow black wire.


Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN 1970, 5¢ Mint Hotel
----_-----------------
Make: Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year:March 1990
---------------------
Make: Bally Reels: 3 reel Model: 1090,25¢,
3 coin multiplier Cabinet style: Upright/Standard Year:1979

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #110 on: September 21, 2022, 02:31:17 PM »
if ya can't find the right wire colors, try and use wire colors that aren't used in the game ... purple or whatever.  Future people will know it's a substitution.

your hopper is mechanically stepped, so you need to find the pieces to make it electrically stepped. 

you could bodge it ... the goal is the roller pivot arm needs to operate a switch stack and be insulated from the switches. 

one hack way to do it is have your existing arm operate a microswitch and don't worry about the original redundant two-switch setup.  If you want the total out meter to work, you'd need to tie that in also ... I'd use a diode to do it tho.

you can also just add a stack of three switches that are N.O. and wire per the schematic.  Insulating your current arm from the switch blades is easy enough, mounting the switches is harder ... but you have to solve that no matter which way you do it.

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #111 on: September 21, 2022, 04:26:50 PM »
if ya can't find the right wire colors, try and use wire colors that aren't used in the game ... purple or whatever.  Future people will know it's a substitution.

your hopper is mechanically stepped, so you need to find the pieces to make it electrically stepped. 

you could bodge it ... the goal is the roller pivot arm needs to operate a switch stack and be insulated from the switches. 

one hack way to do it is have your existing arm operate a microswitch and don't worry about the original redundant two-switch setup.  If you want the total out meter to work, you'd need to tie that in also ... I'd use a diode to do it tho.

you can also just add a stack of three switches that are N.O. and wire per the schematic.  Insulating your current arm from the switch blades is easy enough, mounting the switches is harder ... but you have to solve that no matter which way you do it.

Thanks, but I'm going all of the way down to the correct screws and nuts.  :yes:
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN 1970, 5¢ Mint Hotel
----_-----------------
Make: Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year:March 1990
---------------------
Make: Bally Reels: 3 reel Model: 1090,25¢,
3 coin multiplier Cabinet style: Upright/Standard Year:1979

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #112 on: September 22, 2022, 04:52:49 PM »
Today was productive. I built a SW-010-102A. I took the mechanical switch and repurpose it. Using a photo of a electronic hopper, with the correct wires, I built it.
Then I found my Bally wire, I really thought that I had lost my wiring. When I was rebuilding the 1090, I came across a seller of Bally parts in Europe, what a find, a lot of small parts. So I'm using them  :dancing_2:
I finished the SW-010-102A
And I got a box of 809 Bally parts in the mail.  :applause:
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN 1970, 5¢ Mint Hotel
----_-----------------
Make: Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year:March 1990
---------------------
Make: Bally Reels: 3 reel Model: 1090,25¢,
3 coin multiplier Cabinet style: Upright/Standard Year:1979

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #113 on: September 22, 2022, 04:58:00 PM »
A Bally parts box, I am excited!
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN 1970, 5¢ Mint Hotel
----_-----------------
Make: Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year:March 1990
---------------------
Make: Bally Reels: 3 reel Model: 1090,25¢,
3 coin multiplier Cabinet style: Upright/Standard Year:1979

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #114 on: September 22, 2022, 11:14:15 PM »
More hopper progress.
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN 1970, 5¢ Mint Hotel
----_-----------------
Make: Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year:March 1990
---------------------
Make: Bally Reels: 3 reel Model: 1090,25¢,
3 coin multiplier Cabinet style: Upright/Standard Year:1979

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #115 on: September 22, 2022, 11:16:33 PM »
More hopper progress, this is the latest update of work. I've got some major work done.
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN 1970, 5¢ Mint Hotel
----_-----------------
Make: Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year:March 1990
---------------------
Make: Bally Reels: 3 reel Model: 1090,25¢,
3 coin multiplier Cabinet style: Upright/Standard Year:1979

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #116 on: September 23, 2022, 07:30:58 AM »
did the payout counter traces clean up ok ... no holes burnt thru?

did you take a pic of the back/wiring side of the disc?

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #117 on: September 23, 2022, 02:06:46 PM »
did the payout counter traces clean up ok ... no holes burnt thru?

did you take a pic of the back/wiring side of the disc?

Cleaned up everything, got rid of the old wires, solder, then put everything together.
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN 1970, 5¢ Mint Hotel
----_-----------------
Make: Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year:March 1990
---------------------
Make: Bally Reels: 3 reel Model: 1090,25¢,
3 coin multiplier Cabinet style: Upright/Standard Year:1979

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #118 on: September 23, 2022, 02:17:36 PM »
did the payout counter traces clean up ok ... no holes burnt thru?

did you take a pic of the back/wiring side of the disc?

The wiring diagram that you provided, I added the numbers, letters for my reference.
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN 1970, 5¢ Mint Hotel
----_-----------------
Make: Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year:March 1990
---------------------
Make: Bally Reels: 3 reel Model: 1090,25¢,
3 coin multiplier Cabinet style: Upright/Standard Year:1979

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Re: A Bally 809-ZZN restoration.
« Reply #119 on: September 23, 2022, 05:08:52 PM »
Santa Clause came today, and I hit pay dirt. Some of the hopper electronic stuff came in.  :mail_2:

A relay assembly, A pivot arm, are just a couple of things.  :applause:
Bally 3 reel model: 809-ZZN 1970, 5¢ Mint Hotel
----_-----------------
Make: Rowe Jukebox Model: CD-100 Year:March 1990
---------------------
Make: Bally Reels: 3 reel Model: 1090,25¢,
3 coin multiplier Cabinet style: Upright/Standard Year:1979

:) I'm way to much ocd, I need some professional help.  :)

 

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