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**Video Poker, Keno, Slots, 21** Gaming machines => IGT AVP (Including G20,G23) => Topic started by: Phan000 on July 02, 2022, 08:10:02 AM
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Saw this listed locally.
Seller states that machine reads “needs to connect to network”
Thinking this is a g23?
It looks like it’s missing the max bet button.
Not too familiar with this machine. How much is the replacement button and necessary software?
Thanks
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It's a G23 alright. From what I can see it looks complete, but I can't tell if there's a MPU in it or not. Replacement button will run ya ~$70. You'll also need an Ekey 7 for it and a diagnostic drive too. The Ekey 7 will set ya back $400 or so, diag drives are around $25.
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Thanks, much appreciated!
Not able to look at it until next weekend.
Where is the mpu located in this machine?
Thanks again.
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It's located on the bottom left hand side of the machine. It's accessed by removing the front (belly) door below the button deck. The gray ribbon cable coming off of the cabinet controller connects to it along with video/usb/serial cables. What are they asking for it?
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$600, but I think $400-500 seems reasonable, if it has an mpu.
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That a good deal in my opinion and area. Good luck!
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https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=36356.0
If you decide to get Machine and if still available
Check out link I sent for topper
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$600, but I think $400-500 seems reasonable, if it has an mpu.
The MLD monitor is worth more than that if it works.
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Here are your biggest concerns IMHO.
The MLD. They are hard to find and expensive. If it does work make sure all the fans are going. If not replace them ASAP.
Next is MPU.
Then probably buttons. I’m guessing they all don’t light up as they should. If you can live with it like that then you just need the one. And if the others don’t work and that’s the direction you are cool with a dead screen one shouldn’t cost you much. Getting them all back up with good screens if needed can be quite an expense.
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Thanks for the advice. Hope to see it next week.
Without any software, should the remaining buttons light up?
Top screen & main mb screen? Seems like it must have a processor if the display is asking for a network connection?
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For the buttons the first to come up are the edge lights. Then the initial IGT splash screen assuming the screens work. Eventually they go to the time out screen until machine finishes booting. During boot up the screens and edge lights will go dark from time to time. So yes, if they work they will light up without software.
Main MLD is the expensive one. Top not so much.
I would agree that if it is getting to the point of asking for network connection that it probably has an MPU.
Hope to see it next week? More like hope it’s still around. For $500/$600 I’d buy it right now. I’m surprised it’s still around.
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I agree. If it were by me I would have bought it already.
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If there's an mpu there, it's missing the top cover, which you really need in order for the thermal fan flow to work right and not overheat the chipsets. If it doesn't have a cover, you should source one
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Hope to see it next week? More like hope it’s still around. For $500/$600 I’d buy it right now. I’m surprised it’s still around.
Seller is out of town till Sunday.
Thanks for the great advice and details. I don’t think this seller knows what he has. Appears to be with some junk in a storage unit.
Thanks again!
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Going to buy this machine tomorrow, unless there are any obvious issues.
This photo was also in the ad. Seems like all of these cables should be plugged inside of the machine, correct?
Strange to see them hanging out like that.
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Yeah, those are the cables that should be plugged into the front of the MPU.
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Did you get it?
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Picked it up today.
It is missing an mpu,button, and possibly some other items. From a storage wars type reseller. $200
Not really sure where to start. My plan is to slowly get the missing parts & eventually have it replace my older game king.
The top fan on the lower monitor is not working.
(https://i.imgur.com/iNAt190.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/u4nU6ol.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Z5V8lWf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hHJkQYW.jpg)
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(https://imgur.com/a/yTT81Pw)
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Congratulations! You got a helluva deal scoring that for $200. Find that button and MPU, the rest looks to be complete and hopefully working.
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Yes, great job! The two orange lights on the back of the MLD when powered on are concerning. Hopefully I wrong.
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They are lit amber because there's no signal to the monitor.
Need to replace the inoperative fan though and that's not a lot of fun since the monitor has to be removed from the door frame and the back cover removed to get at it.
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Yes, great job! The two orange lights on the back of the MLD when powered on are concerning. Hopefully I wrong.
Thanks, seems like a solid deal.
Just checked- the MLD has two green lights For a few minutes, seems like it’s trying to connect. Goes to red and amber after 3 or 4 minutes when screen stops saying “no sync” and goes black.
Top motor works as well.
Would it be practical to test the MLD with a normal
PC?
Also, What is the best replacement for the fans?
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Good to hear that they are green for awhile. And thanks Tilt for clarifying.
Someone will answer on testing with PC, I do not know for sure.
I’ve seen that current brand of fan in there used often.
If it was me I would replace all four fans since it is going to be a job to get it out of the frame, etc. I’d hate to do all that work and in a week one of the other fans starts going out. My two cents. They aren’t expensive.
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You can hook up a PC to the monitor if you want to, but when I did that I only had video displayed on the outer LCD panel. I'm not sure how to test the inner panel with a PC. Maybe someone else knows how that can be done.
I looked at my go to parts houses (digikey/mouser electronics) and they are out of stock on the fans with a long lead time. I found a seller on Ebay who has them, here's a link to the listing:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254984143629 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/254984143629)
I agree with Rodney, if you need to replace one you might as well replace them all for the reason he stated.
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Here is a fan option:
https://na.suzohapp.com/products/monitors/10-EFB0612H0
You can test the outer panel with a PC as Tilt said and then swap the LVDS cables so the inner panel is now the outer panel and retest. But that requires getting the back cover off the monitor. Only way I know of…
Use this method to troubleshoot if panel or AD board has an issue also.
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I'm a cheap %×@ I found this - ships from CA
https://www.ebay.com/itm/234135443403?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=gRe709TGSki&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=OT4ZPnXMS3W&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY (https://www.ebay.com/itm/234135443403?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=gRe709TGSki&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=OT4ZPnXMS3W&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY)
Cheaper from china...
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Ordered the fans.
What are the differences in the mpu? Does it usually have a hard drive included?
Since I plan to keep it, probably better going with one that will be useful for a good while.
Thinking it would be an upgrade from the single screen game king I have. The sound on it is terrible, just the two small top speakers. I have the old 044 superstar poker loaded on it. The slot games are pretty sad.
Would the g23 game king package be decidedly better?
Also- the existing buttons all light up around the edges briefly, and a button screen displays the version number, before saying no connection.
Does this mean that they are all functional?
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Rick Hunter did a good job of explaining the MPU differences in this post. They're also called a "brain box".
https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=16846.msg89831#msg89831
It should come with a hard drive. If it has a spinning platter drive I'd upgrade it to a SSD. They're faster. I'd look for a 660, it was the latest and greatest for the AVP and will probably already have 4GB of RAM and a SSD drive installed. You'll want "show" bios chips. They allow games to operate without needing a license dongle.
As far as Game King software goes I wasn't impressed. The GK software package eats up a lot of your NVRAM just installing it. There are no 3D games just like on the 960 machines. I keep my poker games on the old Game Kings and use the AVP for 3D games to get the most out of the MLD monitor.
You won't know for sure until you get a MPU installed, but that's a good sign that they are probably good.
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Tilt beat me to posting. I’ll just leave this here anyway. He makes good points.
The buttons behaving as you have stated is a very good sign. It seems they are all good.
As far as games and hard drive (SSD) I’d get with RB. You may need boot chips, he has those also. I’d say most CPUs come with a hard drive. I’d upgrade to an SSD if it doesn’t have one.
Personally GK8.3R with a couple other multiple hand VP games and a mix of slots added really covers everything.
Different CPUs:
Found this in a RickHunter post:
620 box has a 2Ghz processor, power supply on top of box.
621 box has a 2.1Ghz processor, power supply on top of box.
625 box has a 2.1Ghz processor, power supply inside the box.
660 box has a 2.1Ghz processor, power supply inside the box, also has ATI e4690 video card installed.
Previous to the above are 3.0 and the 3.0M I believe. Not sure on specs on those.
Since this is a keeper for you the 660 is probably best. 4gb of ram since it’s cheap doesn’t hurt either.
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If you get a chance shot and post a picture of the buttons with the timeout screen up. Depending on brightness I may have one that matches close to the others that I can sell you for the missing one if still needed.
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If you get a chance shot and post a picture of the buttons with the timeout screen up. Depending on brightness I may have one that matches close to the others that I can sell you for the missing one if still needed.
Will do, thanks.
Looking at some brain boxes at Spin and a few other sites.. I don’t see any mention of the “show” bios.
$375 for the 3.0 older style, and $500 for a newer version
With the video card
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They probably will not have have a show BIOS coming from Spin inc. I'd be shocked it they did. You can buy a set of show bios separately and install them or have yours reprogrammed.
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This is what my button deck looks like when lit.
(https://i.imgur.com/H26qgIv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/S1vTmD3.jpg)(http://)
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Ah, looks like edges are good. Each button/screen should have the timeout message on it. So, probably looking at several buttons with burnt out screens. Welcome to the not so wonderful world of IGT Edge Lit Dynamic Buttons. See what happens when machine boots. Good news is they should/will work as buttons with burnt out screens. You could post a WTB for the one missing. Finding a dead screen one to complete the panel should be fairly easy and inexpensive. Replacing the whole set, not so much.
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What is the best way to access the MLD fans for replacement?
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What is the best way to access the MLD fans for replacement?
Remove the screws on the cover.
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What is the best way to access the MLD fans for replacement?
Remove the screws on the cover.
You have obviously never done it :fryingpan: :fryingpan:
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What is the best way to access the MLD fans for replacement?
The entire monitor and bezel has to be removed from the door frame, then disassembled on a bench or table. Put down a towel or something so you don't scratch the touchscreen.
Disconnect all the wiring from the monitor, financial panel, bill validator entry panel, and tuck back inside the machine.
Remove 12 7/32" nuts from around the player tracking panel, financial panel, and bill validator panel. You'll have to remove the door roller assembly too to get at one of them.
Remove the 4 phillips head screws attaching the monitor to the door frame. There's one at the top and bottom of the left and right side of the monitor.
Now remove the monitor from the door frame. Be careful, it's pretty heavy and you don't want to drop it. If you have someone available have them help you. Holding the door frame in place so it doesn't want to swing as you're trying to remove the monitor from it would be helpful.
Set the monitor on the table face side down.
Remove the 4 screws holding the black bezel to the monitor frame. Remove the frame and set it aside.
Remove the monitor mounting brackets from the left and right side of the monitor
Now remove 12 philips screws holding the back cover. There's two small beveled phillips screws on the left and right sides and eight pan head phillips screws on the back.
Now you can remove the back cover and get at the fans.
Do the opposite to re-assemble.
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:agreepost: Don't put the frame back on upside down like I did. :no: :banghead:
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I did something monumentally stupid while pulling apart the MLD housing- Broke the outer touchscreen FFC ribbon cable. It is definitely ruined.
I guess the best thing now is to just part out whatever is good in this machine. Seems like too much expense involved in replacing it.
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I think a new touchscreen for mine was around $165.
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I think a new touchscreen for mine was around $165.
That seems worth considering. How is it connected? The ribbon on the right side (the one I ruined) feeds deep into the monitor.
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The amber colored flexible ribbon cable attaches to the touchscreen on one end and the other mates with a connector under the fans that goes to the touchscreen controller. Patriot Gaming sells it for $173, but says to call for availability. Here's a link.
https://patriotgaming.com/013-17-9311-206.html
Here's a picture of where the the ribbon cable mates with the cable from the touchscreen controller.
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Finally got this machine completed. Been an interesting project & lots of lessons learned.
Just an odd button tilt & replacing left.
Lots of thanks to RodneyK & the other members who made this happen. My quality control expert approves of this machine!
(https://i.imgur.com/tTPpLvv.jpg)