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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Bally Electromechanical => Topic started by: DavidLee on November 28, 2016, 08:25:33 PM
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Pick this machine up as the price was right. Same O story lights up, no keys been sitting for years.
Hope to get the lock picked tomorrow to check out the interior.
Would like any comments / information about machines from Ireland.
Sorry for the sideways photos, modern technology.
Fixed! I edited and added another shot of the top plexiglass since that dang NLG tag was over it - mod
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Hey Dave, not a bad looking machine. Does it still have tag on side? Pic. Curious to see the inside once lock is pulled.
Jim
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Nice find David! does it say Ford automatics on the reel glass?
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Jim, The tag is partly in tact kind of ripped off half way down. It only reads Bally Ireland 742.
Tag looks to be a decal made of shinny gold Mylar.
Billy, Will take a closer look at the glass for the word Ford automatics.
The very top payout schedule is plex-glass, it's in okay shape.
Machine seemed to find me.
Over holiday I gave a machines to my brother who lives in Mariposa, Ca.
Told him to be on the lookout for any Bally's 64 to early 80s.
Specially the low boy style. Got home Sunday checked Craigslist and the machine had been listed for 2 days.
Got in touch with the owner, made a deal for 2.5 and picked it up Monday afternoon near Pasadena.
Hope to pick the lock today, will post photos of the inside.
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Well I'm not sure if picking a lock is an economical way to do it it seems to me the locksmith charges more money than a new lock if you buy them online they're usually under $10 with a key and it only takes about 3 minutes to drill 1 are you just trying to keep the original lock ??
It is a beautiful machine Dave congratulations on the low boy
I picked up to last week one is all original $0.25 the only trouble is I have a brand new Marquee for a $0.05 :hissyfit:
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Hi David, I looked at your machine also on C/List but did you see the E-831Model E2111 ? Jon let see some pictures of your new addition to the bally family
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Here is my new 742A
If you go to my Facebook page I post a lot of pictures there the first of the year someone told me not to post so many pictures on NLG
So I created a Facebook page actually several and that's where I post most of my pictures now cell a lot of parts
there
And just have a whole lot of fun
You can ask Dave he visits my page daily it's just for fun
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nice machine! that's the reel glass that's missing on my M/honey, too bad the 2 Award cards that I have left over wont match...
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I know I have some quarter ones somewhere I've got a few laying around I do need your glass if you ever get the ambition to make some looks like you do pretty nice work
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yes I will be making a new glass but I'am not sure if Plexi would give me the same look as the original and if I can get the same mirrored lines of the glass version.. right now I"am having someone work on the print files but I will let you know when I get close to producing the replacement
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The silver is very hard to do
That is why most aftermarket the house does not have it much easier just to make it all black
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Jon,
Was trying to save the original lock. Its not in that good of shape the center core slot is really worn.
Might drill it out if I can't get it to open.
Bill,
The reel glass has the Bally corp. on the top center.
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Got the machine open. Drilled all seven pins out of the tubular lock. Took awhile, but didn't do any damage to the cam lever.
Machine was very tight with sludge, nothing moved. Got it freed up,
but #2 and 3 reel index arms would not engage.
Found the ratchet wheel on the slide lever was frozen, thus keeping the machine from kicking in those two index arms. Use liquid wrench on just about every moving part. All parts are moving very easy now.
Will lube and replace cord in the morning for its first run in 22 years. As I found $7.00 in quarters in the machine with the latest date being 1994.
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great update David, nice to know that these babies can be brought back from the dead with a little hard work and a lot of liquid wrench!
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Okay, machine is in running condition with a few minor problems.
Lubricated the Full Stroke Pawl as the handle would occasionally stay down.
Did a Reno adjustment to the L Shaped Stop Bracket as the reels were kicking early.
Replaced a reel index arm and roller. Previously had a machine screw doubled nutted through the roller.
Causing the 3rd reel to hang up when being removed.
Need to trace out the blue wire in the door. All 6v lights go off when the door opens half way.
Having a intermittent problem with the handle release circuit.
I'm suspecting the coin in counter or a broken wire in that area.
Coin in counter buzzes thus preventing the handle release to fully activate.
All minor issues, just happy to have the machine functioning.
Will post photos of the exterior cleaning progress as it happens.
Any suggestions on the minor problems will be appreciated.
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Hi Dave. Sounds like you are making good progress. I attached a portion a of a generic 742 schematic. Not sure if it will help with Ireland model. I would pull meter temporarily and then go through circuit again, clean and check switch positions.
Nice machine.
Jim
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Thanks Jim,
For the schematic. The machine looks to be total Bally.
Fixed the 6v lights, broken wires just inside the cabinet near the hinge.
Also found the wire that supplies the florescent tube hanging on by a strand.
Buzzing sound / handle release problem seems to be a weak connection at the beau plug, 99.9% sure.
Winner paid light staying on now. Somewhere between the linkage and the reset coil plunger its not latching properly.
Thus contacts staying closed.
Need to find a good Tubular Lock for the door, one that fits the cam linkage without any modifications.
Also looking for spiral wrap to cover the wires instead of tape.
Any links or Amazon info would be helpful.
Got my first natural 777s while testing the machine today.
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Spent part of the day making a new top feature glass for the LowBoy.
Planning to add some color around the sevens.
Machine is running good, but still has a few issues.
Payout step up reset coil / plunger assembly doesn't completely reset.
Causing the winner paid light to stay on.
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Hey Dave,
Nice work on topper. Looks really good.
I am guessing you already checked that linkage(s) dont have dried grease and all moves freely. Would it be worth pulling hopper, hook jumpers up to reset coil. Step up pay wipers a bunch and then use jumpers to reset and see if reset latches then. Could coil be bad? I would do what i could to see it in operation. Does it latch if you reset with finger?
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Jim,
Leaned out the step up this morning.
Put the jumpers on directly from a transformer.
Pulled the plunger in real strong.
Linkage was clean, but very dry.
Just a spec of dried grease.
Re lubed with Vaseline, working like it should for now.
I'm thinking the Vaseline did the trick.
Thanks for your input.
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Got the reel glass out. Must of been in there a good 40 - 50 years.
Took a good 45 minutes to loosen it up. The black padding was all the way around the frame.
It turned in to a hardened adhesive.
Lost all the paint where it was stuck.
Will need a new glass eventually.
But for now touched up the paint and replaced the the paper 25c.
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Sounds good, glad its working hope it continues.
I've wondered if / how coils get affected by dirty switches and beau plugs. You know how lites dim get bright then dim again go out back dim. My guess is coils would be less strong. Anyways, take it easy.
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Thanks,
Thinking the lack of fresh grease and the connections between
the coil and transform was the problem.
Going to grease all points required now that the machine is running.
Just had oil on everything to allow any dirt and grime to flow out.
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Okay, Got the exterior of the LB cleaned up.
Also re-cleaned contacts on the coin relay switch unit, as the "insert coin" light was intermittent.
Winner paid light working 90% of the time. Suspect a weak signal in the circuit, contacts or beau plug.
Replaced the lock with one from "Kingsley Security" on Amazon $8.00. Works really good except for the fact
that the tail shaft is 1/16 to long. I opted to add a spacer between the cam linkage and the lock it self instead of grinding.
Used the original half nut, looks totally original.
Not sure if I mentioned, had to soak the reel glass out of the door frame with BP blaster. The rubber was melted to the glass and the frame.
Lost some paint, but got it touched up pretty good.
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When you re grease ... I would suggest Lubriplate. I find it doesn't dry up and get hard as fast as lithium grease.
Dave F
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Thanks Dave,
Is there a certain brand or just fine Lubriplate?
Been using Vaseline as recommended in the Bally book I have.
Seems to work pretty good.
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That is good too. I use the food quality Lubriplate ... found this lube years ago. The operators used it on the wiper and selection disks on the jukeboxes. Of which I was one of back in the early 80s or late 70s. You dont need much. I also use just a very very small amount on my finger and wipe the wiper boards. This helps the selectors to glide across the buttons. Dont use much there.
Dave
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Hello Dave,
Would you be so kind to post a photo of the product your using.
Seems to be a large variety out there.
Thanks
Dave
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Understand...
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Everyone has their favorite. Here's what I've been using. It was recommend in a post on either this or old site. Clear like vasoline but is a grease for metal parts. Doesn't seem to harden and not messy. Available at most hardware stores, found at Ace.
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Okay, the old Ireland LowBoy is running pretty good. Its smoothed out a lot just by playing everyday.
The WINNER PAID light only stays on 1 out of 10 win. Not like before it barely went off.
Took the Vaseline off the payout step up reset mechanism and applied some Lubriplate. (Had a can that is probably 50 years old and still good.)
Seems to have helped the winner paid light situation.
Made a new reel glass and did two modifications. See if you can spot them.
Going to redo the machine top feature glass and add a jackpot light in the next few weeks.
Will post when finished.
So topic solved for now.
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Nice job... :applause: I see the addition of "Machine" on the left legend plate and the right one the graphics have been color restored. Any others I missed... I can blame on old age...
Dave F
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Dave,
I'll give it up on Sunday, if not found by then.
And thanks for the compliment.
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Looks real nice. You always do a great job.
On the right side "Jackpots" is above "pays on center line".
Jim
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Good eye Jim,
Made more sense to me to have it below Jackpots.
I guess either way reads okay.
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Nice work on the glass and machine David, did you use mirrored glass or is that plexi?
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Used 3/16 glass, cut a mask of black vinyl then applied the layers starting with the chrome first and working backwards. Similar to the silkscreening process. The only problem is the ink saturation on my little Canon printer. Can't quite get the intensity, most likely will have to farm out.
Next time you are out this way stop by the shop. We can go over the process as you have access to a higher quality printing than I.