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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Bally Electromechanical => Topic started by: rgull77 on November 06, 2017, 05:28:14 PM
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Back again after a few years. My Bally 937 plays and pays fine but suddenly the right "winner paid" light doesn't light up anymore (has left and right payouts). The switch on the hopper payout assembly seems fine, doesn't make contact on a win. Resets fine too. This machine has two 'winner paid' lights, one under the reels and one at the top and both do not light. I did check both bulbs to rule out any coincidence. If I follow the wires, where do I look for a switch? At the mech or up top?
Any input is greatly appreciated.
Randy
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... The switch on the hopper payout assembly seems fine, doesn't make contact on a win. Resets fine too....
To clarify what you wrote, Is this a typo, did you mean the hopper payout switch does or does not make contact on a win?
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Swap out bulbs. If still no good, run jumpers to the light to quick test it to verify socket is good.
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Try cleaning the contacts located on the opposite side of the payout step up unit.
See photo
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Thank you for the replies so far.
I stated that wrong, the switch is closed at payout. So that is to say the payout sequence appears normal. Electricity is not getting to the two 'winner paid' lights and since one is on the door, the problem may be at the hopper.
I will try cleaning the contacts suggested and test the sockets. But after work!
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Hi and thanks again for your help.
I jumped the light and both light up so bulbs and sockets are good. I cleaned the suggested contacts although and still no light. Also looks a bit more complicated so I am posting some pictures of the right payout unit as it looks after a win.
It looks as though I have a payout problem as well. I get a runaway hopper with 3rd and 4th coins in. This is the same problem that we fixed on this forum some years ago and it was in the multiplier in the top. Do you think these are related?
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If you had this same problem a while back, then I would go back to what ever was causing your problem the first time...
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I suspect your hopper has TWO payboards. Each winner paid light has its own winner paid light switch,& its own individual step & reset coils. Drop the outer board down & work on the inner one. I've worked on this style, i think it's a retrofit...?
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Hi Reno, I still owe you that drink!
Well the inside board is for the left pay but after reading our 2013 thread again, I'm going to start at the top so to speak.
Now that I see I have the 3 and 4 coin runaway hopper again, I'm going to look for the same problem in the top unit as before. Machine sits and solder must go cold or something. I'll get back after I check everything out on the weekend.
Thanks again
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It has been a while but I finally got back to the machine. What I thought was the problem back in 2013 seems to be fine. The left payout seems to be working but the right payout still empties the hopper.
I traced the wires from the 'winner paid' light in the top unit (has 'winner paid' on door and top unit) through the machine to a Molex plug to the 'winner paid' switch on the right side payout board on the hopper. So the machine plays two games at once. Left payout goes to through the plug attached to the hopper and the right payout uses a separate Molex plug which has to be unplugged every time the hopper is removed (which has been hundreds of times).
I looked close and found a broken connector in the plug. I have to fix this. It still may not be the problem, I don't know.
I will update when I fix the plug.
Randy
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Make sure that the tip of that broken broken male pin is not stuck in the other plug. Nice find.
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I can't seem to find a small enough Molex pin locally. What is the gauge wire in these machines?
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Those should be an 0.063 male pin. My guess is the wire is 18 gauge, maybe 22 gauge. If you have an electronics store near by they should have the pins, or a whole plug assembly that has the size you need.
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Thank you! I appreciate your help!
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Try looking in the other molex plugs for a pin that is not being use.
Use a exacto blade to push the barbs in to release the pin.
Then pry the barbs out before inserting it back in to the hole.
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Update:
I fixed the Molex plug. The "winner paid" light on the green side of the game works fine now.
But the hopper on the green game, pays off and stops correctly occasionally, sometimes it overpays and stops and sometimes it just keeps on paying.
The orange side of the game works properly.
So if you had a machine that was a 3 coin multiplier and it sometimes paid and stopped, sometimes overpaid and other times a runaway hopper, the problem would be in the top unit, right? The hopper payout unit looks absolutely normal, resets perfectly.
Any ideas before I give up on this one?
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Wow, this is interesting. The payout step up unit is working on one side, but it’s erratic on the other.
Never had a machine with two payout relays. Think I would check the wires on the one that is not working.
Then inspect the reel index wiper boards for faulty wires.
Amechanic had a machine where the little silver jumper wire was touching another wire on the wiper board causing erratic payouts.
Check the payout step up unit spiral cam, if the shaft and bushing are gummed up. This may keep the cam from turning freely. Which causes erratic payouts.On the back side of the unit pictured are two coil plungers.The top right will advance the unit as in a payout. The bottom left reset the unit back to the starting position.You can manually step up the unit by pressing the top right plunger down. Do this 10 to 18 times.Then use a pencil / dowel rod and press the other ( reset ) plunger in. Watch the spiral cam, it should spring back in one rapid movement. If it moves slowly and or stops before it returns to the starting position the shaf needs to be lubricated. If it works okay, great. If not, well it’s time for sledge-o-matic. Just kidding of course. 99.9% of machines are fixable.
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Have you check the reel wipers? The wiper contacts need to stop on the wiper boards contacts as close to center as possible. Reel wipers contact buttons wear down over time and can loose connection to the wiper boards. I would check you wipers on the side of the payout problem.
David is correct that it sounds like somethings dry and sticking. Step up unit or hopper is a good place to Stark checking. Advance each unit, then return them back to starting position by pushing the return coil. If they don’t return back or are sluggish they need to be serviced.
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Okay, now that I went back to the beginning of the post and now realize there’s two payout step up units.
Check the one on the side that has the erratic pays.
It might be gummed up as I mentioned in the previous post.
Worked on a machine last night that had a gummed up spiral cam shaft.
The payouts were all over the place. Got the cam shaft freed up and the machine pays correct every time.
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I've always kept the payout units in perfect working order. They step up and reset back with a snap to the zero position. That's why I think they aren't getting the correct info from the top unit multiplier. That is where I have trouble understanding how that works. I think I posted pictures of it in the original post but I can post them again tomorrow.
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If the multiplier works for one side it seems likely it would be okay for the other side.
Is there a relay in the top unit that alternates the payouts from orange to green.
If both green and orange have a win, how does it payou then?
Meaning do the right amount of coins come out?
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Good question, I took a picture of the top unit. I know nothing as to how that works.
A payout on both games resulted in an overpay. What should have been 10 coins came out 70 and the hopper stopped on its own. I believe the orange (left) payout pays first followed by the green (right) payout.
Looking at the payout wipers after the payout, the left side (orange game) paid correctly, 5 coins. The wiper on the green side was way up there but seem to be on the silver strip. In the upper unit, the counter wheel is at 7.
Pictures of these are below. Picture 1 is where the green wipers stopped. Picture 2 is where the orange stopped. The game should have paid 5 coins on each side.
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Still no progress. I don't think the problem is in the multiplier after all.
With just one coin in (on each side), when one cherry hits 3 different things have happened. It pays 25 coins then waits and times out, pays 25 coins and stops saying "winner paid", or continues to pay and does not stop.
When 2 stars hit and it should pay 4, nothing happens at all!
Oh, the fingers on the payout unit are always at the same position after a pay, as in the picture in the last post.
I have examined every wire, Beau plug, Molex plug, contact and coil. There is no grease, oil, sludge or dust. I keep my machines very clean.
There is something is wrong in that payout unit.
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This is where owning sets of extension cable comes in handy.
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From what you have described it appears to be a malfunction in the payout unit.
If its always in the same place and or doesn’t return all the way, its going to have some odd payouts.
Something could be holding it from returning to zero. Llook for a wire that is interfering with mechanism, or the mechanism isn’t resetting due to a wire hanging on by one strand. Possible burr on the release mechanism.
Themultiplier might be malfunctioning.
Manually advance the pinball score reel a few times. Check that tab stops on the wheel for wear and or partially broken / missing. It may be multiplying over and over causing the payout unit to keep running.
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You are correct! The problem WAS in the payout unit. The problem was when I inspected the switches, I didn't manually step up the unit. The two switches in the picture open and close with each coin counted. The switch on the right was touching the whole time, barely moved by the lever. A little adjustment and she's back on track!
The game plays and pays perfectly! I'm labeling this one finally "over and done"! :thank_you:
Thank you to everyone who helped. I really appreciate it!
Randy