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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => WMS Reel Games => Topic started by: Zingsi on April 03, 2017, 03:29:35 PM
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I am from Germany and last Weekend i bought a WMS Big Piggy Bankin Slot Machine. Inside there is a bill acceptor which is programmed to old euro bills. But it is locked and the owner who sold me the machine didn t have a key at all....
Is here anyone who can help me perhaps? What i did i called WMS europe in Austria, they gave me the address of WMS Spain. I wrote an email
and received a very fast answer that they help only authorized serivce Partners like Casinos.....
I know that i can break the lock with a Flex or a Drilling machine....but the best way should be to get a key....thank you for your help
PS: Please let me know if you Need Pictures or a Slot machine number or anything else.
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A few photos of the machine and of the lock would be very helpful. Which model of WMS machine is this? The bill acceptors on the WMS 40X model machines I've seen were the DBV-145 and DBV-200. They don't have locks on the bill acceptor or the cash storage containers. But the compartment where the cash is stored has a door with a keylock on it.
You may need to identify the brand of bill acceptor and then go from there about obtaining a replacement key. In general, many times when a key is not available the lock is drilled out, then replaced if needed. For home use the lock may not be important. An exception to this is the jackpot/reset keyswitch lock, many times it uses the industry standard "2341" key and replacement keys for that are easily found.
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Big Bang Piggy Bankin' is a 40x Dotmation game. The cash can is in the compartment on the right side of the machine, by the pull handle. I'd just drill out the lock and replace it.
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Hello again what i did i cleaned it first and now i can send you some pics....i tested the slot it s workin fine but a little bit to loud for my neighbours so if anyone can tell me how to take down the loudness would also be fine
my main question remains how to open the cash box WITHOUT breaking or drilling the lock - anyone a second key to order?
Or do i need two keys because there are two lock s on the box as photographed
THX all
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Those locks are a modification to the machine that I've not seen, they are not on the normal WMS 40X model machines in the US as far as I know. You may have to drill out the locks, then replace them if desired. You may have a hard time obtaining a replacement key, if it was easy to get one then theft would occur. You could ask a local locksmith if he can help you with it, they deal will all types of locks and he might be able to pick the locks or make keys for you.
Another idea, if you open the main door you may be able to get to those 2 cash box locks and remove them from the backside. Have you opened the main door and looked at the backside of where those 2 cash box locks are installed? If you don't have the key to the main door then it can be drilled out and easily replaced.
The default sound volume is set fairly loud so it can be heard in a noisy casino. To adjust the sound level you have to get into the Setup/Diagnostic menu. This is done by pressing the Diagnostic pushbutton inside the machine on the card cage (where the main circuit boards are located). Once you enter the Setup menu you step thru it until you get to the SND (sound) selection, then you press one of the player buttons on the front of the machine to adjust the sound setting higher or lower. There is a WMS (Williams) 40X manual for your machine that explains it fully.
Your photo of the front of the machine shows 2 locks, but your other photos of the locks don't match those, one photo shows a metal pin just above the locks with a red background and a sign with the number "36"?? Are there also locks in the cash compartment on the side of the machine near the pull handle? Need further information.
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The Medeco lock is a high security drill proof lock. If you don't know the key code it will be next to impossible to get a replacement key. The other round tumbler lock can be drilled easily. You may need to attack the sheet metal housing the locks are in. I am not familiar with the housing but, there has to be a weak spot. I think you can get the sheet metal repaired easier then drilling out that Medeco lock.
If you know how the locking cam travels and works you may be able to drill a hole in the sheet metal and damage the cam to get it to release. It' just a thought.
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First of all let me say thank you for your fast support
I appreciated it very much !!!!
Because I only want to play the slot and I don t have machines to repair or open
Locks
So I will play the. machine with coins ;)
So there Are two questions left for me:
1. I know , because I found a WMs 40x user manual how to get into the menus to
Change the sound but
If i open the door - in game over mode - and I push the red button on the card
Cage - nothing happens
Behind the button there are two cabel one left one right who comes out of the back
Of the button but I don t know if they are correctly placed nothing happens when I press this button
what i have to say is that the white stick inside the door of the card cage is fixed by
A plastic cabel so that it s pressed all the time because in this machine there were
All locks gone or they are missing - only the two locks at the cash box are closed
Can anyone give me service and tell me what I doing wrong because I can t get into the. Menus
Thank you
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Mounted on the card cage door are 2 switches. The one on the left is a security switch so the machine (and the casino) knows if someone has opened the card cage door. For home use this switch can be defeated by disconnecting its 2 wires so that it does not give nuisance faults/errors. This switch is normally activated by the lock and cam on the card cage door.
The pushbutton switch on the right is the Diagnostic/Setup switch. It should have 2 wiring cables attached to it, one cable is a single wire, the other has 2 wires (see photo below). When you press the Diag/Setup switch the display on the front of the machine will change to show that you are in the Setup menus. Sometimes it can take a few seconds. Also, if the switch has not been used for a long time it may get corroded inside and be intermittent. Post a photo of these switches on the inside of the card cage door and we can maybe tell you more.
Someone probably put a tie-wrap (plastic tie) around the security switch so that it would be pressed all the time. But you can just disconnect the wires.
Here is what it typically looks like:
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You are so fast with your replies thank you again
So......here is a foto
And yes I put the cable of the white button of and it
Still works fine but when I change the cable behind the red
Button the machine still does not go into operation mode
First the cable were left and right on the Methal pins on the red button
Nothing happens when I pushed it then I saw your foto above and there
The cable are left and on the middle pin. Please look the foto this is how it links now
But still doesn't change into operation mode sorry ;;;(((;
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Your pushbutton switch may be bad, they were made back in 1991 or so. This voltage on the wires going to the pushbutton switch is very low, only about 5 volts. So you can disconnect the wires from the pushbutton switch and touch them together, simulating what the switch would do when it is pressed. If the plastic covering on the wire terminals does not allow you to easily touch the wires together you can insert a paper clip into one and then touch the other end of the paper clip to the other wire.
If doing this gets you into Diagnostic/Setup mode then you know your pushbutton switch is bad.
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Also, the machine has to know the main door is open to enter Diagnostic/Setup menus. When you open the main door you should see a message on the front of the machine saying "door open". If not then pressing the Diagnostic pushbutton will not do anything. There is a door switch on the right side of the machine, it is called a "Cherry" switch. It has a plunger that the door presses inward when it is closed and the cherry switch plunger pops outward with the door open. Make sure there are wires attached to the back of this door switch if you are not getting the "door open" message on the front display.
The cherry switch is normally white and kinda large, looks like this:
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I think this is the problem if I open the door it doesn't t get in open door modus
Here is the cherry key there are three free pins without cable;(
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It is normal to have some terminals (pins) on the cherry switch with no wires. The switch is made so that the top 3 terminals are one section of the switch, and the bottom 3 terminals are a different section of the switch. It is like having two different switches inside the cherry switch. This type of cherry switch is used on lots of different slot machines, some slot machines use both sections, some do not. On the WMS 40X machines only 2 wires go to the door cherry switch. Your machine's wires can be connected to either the top section or to the bottom section, either way is ok.
The important thing is that the 2 wires going to the cherry switch are connected to either the top 2 terminals or to the bottom 2 terminals. Also, the plunger on the cherry switch can be pulled outward to extend it, give it a pull and it will pull forward. Doing that puts the cherry switch in the "door closed" position, same as if the door is actually closed. That lets a technician simulate the door being closed while it is actually opened. With the plunger pulled forward the machine will think the door is closed and will accept coins, play normally.
It looks like one of the wires going to your cherry switch is on the 3rd terminal from the top. I don't think that is correct, try moving it to the 2nd terminal from the top. The wires should be connected to the top 2 terminals (or the bottom 2 terminals). Try this and see if you can get the "door open" message on front display when the door is open. Just like the wires on the card cage door switches, these wires have low voltage (approx 5 volts) so there is no danger for you to get shocked, but the wires should not be allowed to touch metal chassis because that could ground or short-out what the wires are connected to at the other end.
Below is an example of how the cherry switch should be wired on a WMS 40X machine. In this case the 2 wires go to the bottom 2 terminals, it would also be ok if they went to the top 2 terminals. The cherry switch is mounted to the sliding latch bar that moves up and down when you latch and unlatch the door, so the wires are often on the bottom 2 terminals because that lets the wires lay better and not rub against the nearby metal parts of the machine.
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Some additional information for you-
The card cage has 2 circuit boards, the bottom one is the mpu (microprocessor unit, the main control of the machine). The mpu board has the game software eproms installed into sockets, there can be up to 6 eproms but on some games there are less, depends on how elaborate the game sounds are. Both circuit boards slide out of the card cage by pulling on the pull handles on each side. When the boards are installed into the card cage they plug into an interconnect board mounted behind the card cage on the back wall of the machine. Williams (WMS) calls this board the backplane board. There are also several wire cables connected to the backplane board.
The top circuit board is the I/O board. On the right side of the I/O board you will see 5 red LED's. These should all be lit when the machine is turned on. Each LED tells you that a particular power supply voltage is working. A common problem with these WMS 40X machines is a power supply can fail. If this happens one or more of the red LED's will not be lit, that lets you know there is a power supply problem.
On the card cage door the pushbutton Diag/Setup switch has 3 terminals (pins or legs). The terminals have markings written on the chrome part of the pushbutton switch, the markings may be on the backside away from you. One terminal is marked "C" for "common. The other terminals are marked "N/O" (normally open) and "N/C" (normally closed). The black wires get connected to the center terminal "C". The orange wire should be connected to the "N/C" (normally closed) terminal. Depending on the brand of switch these terminals can be in different positions, you will need to read the markings on the switch to know for sure.
So after you get the front door cherry switch wires correct if the machine still doesn't want to enter Diag/Setup menu try moving this orange wire to the other terminal on the pushbutton switch.
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Hi bad news I can put those cables two the upper pins or the lower two pins of the cherry button but the machine stays in the players mode
The sound is very very loud much louder than my alpha v32
Is there no other way to put down the loudness?
Perhaps the cherry switch is bad????
The 5 led s are all the time on I can play everything's fine only
That I cannot reach the menue very sad ;(
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You can temporarily remove one wire from the speaker to make it quiet. The speaker is located on the backside of the coin tray at bottom of machine. With the door open you can lift up on the coin tray and it will disengage from its mounting, then you can remove the coin tray. That will make the machine quiet. Yes, the sound can be very loud until it is set to lower volume.
Are you saying that you do not get the "door open" message?
Do you have a meter so you can check the cherry switch?
With the door open, the 2 wires that go to the cherry switch should get connected together by the cherry switch. You can remove both wires from the cherry switch, then connect them together using a paperclip. This will simulate the cherry switch connecting the 2 wires when the door is open. Try this to see if you can get the "door open" message on front display.
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Yes I cannot reach door open modus
I can play during the door is open even if I pull the cherry switch it doesn't make any difference !
Sorry but the last Sentence I didn't understand what is a meter ?
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Sorry i forgot a question must I put off the machine everytime I change the cables
Behind the buttons? Or could It be run?
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Yes I cannot reach door open modus
I can play during the door is open even if I pull the cherry switch it doesn't make any difference !
Sorry but the last Sentence I didn't understand what is a meter ?
Unusual for both sections of a cherry switch to be bad. Maybe the wires from it are disconnected back in the machine. The cherry switch wires get connected to the backplane. You can follow them back and make sure they are not disconnected. These wires and the cherry switch is what tells the machine the door is open.
Can you remove the 2 wires from the cherry switch and touch them together to see if "door open" message will appear?
When I said meter it is shorthand for saying voltmeter or multimeter, used to measure voltage and continuity.
It is ok to leave the machine ON if you are careful.
Also, I didn't know you were online yet, I have edited my previous recent postings from today, you may want to read them again in case there is something new.
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I will ask a friend who has a Volt Meter if he can lease it to me
Until I can check the power on the wires I put tape on the outside of the speaker
And what a wonder it works fine the sound is a bit less noisy but not the solution
And it looks. not quite good with tape on the speaker I will write here if I have a meter
Than you can guide me through thank you so much !!! You are very helpful
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Can you remove the 2 wires from the cherry switch and touch them together to see if "door open" message will appear?
You may not need to use a multimeter to figure this out.
If you do not want to disconnect the speaker wire you can tape a piece of cardboard over the speaker holes in the coin tray, that may reduce the sound better than just tape alone.
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Another info or idea could it be the missing wire that goes into
The bill acceptor? It's a wide black one and hangs under the validator
Without being connected !
If I follow the wire from the cherry switch it goes behind the two cards in the card box
/case
Can I remove Those two cards without making a clear ram process like with my bally alpha v32
When /for example/ battery went low????
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See reply #20 above, let me know how it goes.
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This is what i did yesterday thought. my post about it was printed here
I put / in Germany we call it Tesafilm / over it looks not so nice but ok
I will write again when i got the voltmeter to check if there is electricity on the
Wires that goes to the cherry switch thy
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Going back to the original issue with the locks, some casinos use dual access locks for the cashbox compartments. That Medco lock is a secure lock, normally casinos don't leave them in slot machines. If one of ours gets loose like that, State would make us rekey and change out all of our locks of the same type. As far as them being drill proof, that's hardly the case. 10 minutes and I'd have one drilled out using commercially available drill bets made for metal.
The lock on the right looks like a shipping lock to me, but that's just what I see in the photo. It could very well be another secure lock from the casino. Hard to tell without knowing the history of the machine, if it came right out from a casino or if it was bought 2nd hand from another hobbyist.
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This is what i did yesterday thought. my post about it was printed here
I didn't see a post from you about taking the 2 wires off the cherry switch and touching them together to see if the "door open" message will appear?? I just looked again but still do not see it, which post reply # was it? It is simple to do, just pull the 2 wires off the cherry switch and touch them together while machine is powered ON. If "door open" message appears then cherry switch is bad. If "door open" message does not appear then the machine has other problem.
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today I tried to look where the wires go in the. machine I touched a pair of wires suddenly
The machine goes into tilt mode I cannot remember the words in the front door something with dot .....?
Perhaps the wires are bad?????
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If the machine is still in a tilt mode, you'll need to tell us exactly what the error message says so we can provide you with correct information.
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Hello!
The machine works fine but
1. i cannot open the cashbox because of the missing key to it s lock BUT i know a friend who will break try to open the lock that i can use the bill acceptor
I put the cable into the hole under the acceptor and it works there are green lights on the front that do flashlights......seems the solution to break the lock and then use the acceptor
it takes only our old EURO bills but whatever .........OK!!!!
2. Normally when i open a door of a machine it goes in Service Modus and the WMS should say: DOOR OPEN in the front window......but my machine stays always in the active Player mode i can Play games with door is open
A other member here told me to try to check if power of 5 Volt goes to the wires that are behind the White cherry Switch and i have really a friend who has a machine to check if power is running through those wires....but i will see him after the easter Party
The same guy told me to take the two wires an touch them to see if the cherry Switch is bad either if there is power.....but i think that i have to cut those wires.... and this i don t wanna do better for me is to wait till i get this power checking machine and then let you and him know what the result of it is.......
ONCE AGAIN THANKS VERY MUCH....APPRECIATE YOUR HELP HERE
Your Homepage and yor Forum is so great for Slot Collectors like me without having the understanding of what all is inside such a machine I ONLY WANNA COLLECT THEM AND LOVES TO PLAY THEM!
PS: I already have a wonderful Bally Alpha V32 Video Slot from 2014 directly from LAS VEGAS and since last week a WMS Dotmatrix 40x Big Piggy Bankin Slotmachine :O)
I have an other question.....is there any Meeting of Slot Fans in europe? Where i can get new contacts to other crazy SLOTFANS in europe :O)
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Today a friend opened the cash box with a flex
Now I have to try if the bill acceptor still works
He had to crack four locks!!!!! Finally he did it good;)
To your question what electricity runs through the both wires
That are going to the cherry switch is my answer ZERO
So there Must be a major problem with those wires because there is no
Electricity in it. What should I do next ? Anyone an idea ?????
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It s me again I checked the acceptor but it doesn't accept any bill
Lot frustrated ;( anyone knows what to do?thanks
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As I said I checked the electricity here is a foto from today result :0.00 ;(
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Here are Fotos of the wires where i think they go to other switches at the right side
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I will give it up before I destroy wires cables and so on thank you all that
Tried to help me
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I am willing to give advice and suggestions, but you must please follow my instructions.
Open the main door.
Remove the 2 wires that connect to the cherry switch. The ends of the wires are attached to pink slide-on connectors that slide on the cherry switch terminals. Remove both wires for the following test.
Power-up (turn on) the machine.
Use a voltmeter (multimeter) to measure the voltage on the wires. Put the meter's black test lead so it is touching one of the wires and the meter's red test lead touching the other wire. You should see 3 volts dc.
Report your findings.
Next, turn off the machine. Set the multimeter to "ohms" or continuity. Put the meter leads on the top 2 terminals (or the bottom 2 terminals) of the cherry switch where the wires are normally attached. You should see zero ohms, which is continuity, or a "switch closed" status of the cherry switch terminals. Next pull out on the cherry switch white plunger, then measure the 2 terminals again. Now it should be in the "switch open" status , or no continuity, or infinite ohms.
Report your findings.
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As I said I checked the electricity here is a foto from today result :0.00 ;(
In this photo you posted earlier you have the multimeter set to measure "AC volts". This is wrong, it should be set to "DC volts".
Also, it looks like the red multimeter lead is connected to the "10 amp" jack instead of the voltage jack. This "10 amp" jack is only for measuring current (amps), you won't get a voltage measurement this way.
Show a complete photo of your multimeter and I can explain further.
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Here are Fotos of the wires where i think they go to other switches at the right side
The wires in this photo you posted have nothing to do with the cherry switch. The wires are connected to switches that sense when the pull handle on the side of the machine is pulled downward.
The 2 wires from the cherry switch run to the back of the machine and get connected to the backplane board mounted on the rear wall, behind the card cage. You can follow these 2 cherry switch wires carefully with your hand and eyes, make sure they connect at the backplane board.
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Ok what i will do finally is a video of the inside
Of my machine give me a day or two and i will
Email it to your Adress. thx ;)
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Did you follow the wires from the cherry switch back to see if they connect to the backplane?
Did you measure the voltage on the 2 wires that connect to the cherry switch using the instructions I posted in reply #34?
No need to do anything else until this is done.
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Here are pics of my bill acceptor that doesn t take any banknotes perhaps you see the problem why i doesn t work?
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and the rest of the photos