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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: nash1935 on November 22, 2017, 12:01:43 PM
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Hi...I'm new to the slots after the passing of my neighbor last year. I have his IGT S-Plus slot. I soon figured out what a code 12 was and replaced the battery (0 vdc on it). I currently have a solid 61 code. Pushing the white test button the code goes and comes back. It doesn't progress to 61-1 as it should. The forum says to only use the "clear chip" as a last resort. I think I am there unless someone can tell me what else I can try. Prior to the 12 the machine worked fine. I'm hoping I can get it going before Christmas when it gets a workout from the grandkids. If the clear chip is what I need to do I guess I can buy one. If so is there some specific chip I need? No clue as I said I'm new to the slots. Thanks
Edited to fix picture. -knagl
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Just to be clear, are you pushing the very small white button? It is within a half inch of the power switch. If not on the front, reach around to the back of the toggle to find it. Usually the 61 loop, will give 61-1 then just go back to 61. If you were pushing the wrong button, you should get 61-1, then close the door and turn the jackpot key on the side one time and it should reset.
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If it comes to that then you may need to use a CLEAR chip. That may take care of the 61 error but it will also reset all machine settings back to their default, which can make it a pain for you to set them again to where you'd like them to be, especially for someone not too familiar with how to do it. Not impossible, just something to avoid if you can.
If you have to get a CLEAR chip it is usually a good idea to also get a SET chip if your machine has a bill acceptor. (it doesn't look like your machine has a bill acceptor). Using the CLEAR chip will disable the bill acceptor, you will need the SET chip to enable the bill acceptor so it works again. If your machine does not have a bill acceptor (bill validator) then you won't need a SET chip.
These two utility chips are often sold together, some of the vendors here on NLG should have them, plus they are available at other places online like ebay. I think the normal set chip for your machine is called a "SET 015" but others here will say for sure.
Also, I'm not sure if your machine is a model "S" or an "S+", maybe someone can say for sure. Can you post a photo of the lower inside part of the machine, thanks! I'm reposting your photo to help others here to see it better.
Welcome to NLG! :waving_flag:
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ok, found out your machine is an S+, even though it doesn't have a bill acceptor there is a place for one, circled in yellow below. I thought that dark area on the chrome was a reflection from the wall or floor. (thanks Ken!)
nash1935- not to be a worry-wart, but you will want to be sure that stand the machine is sitting on is big enough. If the grandkids pull hard on the handle that can tip the machine forward, don't want someone to get hurt or your machine to get damaged if it falls off that stand.
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Read the responses so here are some pictures of the inside, board, proms and serial/model # plate. Based on the model is how I determined it was an S+
I did push the only button on my slot which is behind the internal power switch. There are (2) other white switches with no wires connected to them.
Not sure if it is important but I will mention it anyway. When I first installed the new battery and got the 61 I pushed the white button and it went to 61-1 and I heard the chime and closed the door and turned the keyswitch once. It went back to 61 and since the initial 61-1 it has never made it back to 61-1 nor do I get the chime either.
I read on the forum where someone said to remove the CMOS chip for a minute and retry. It doesn't appear the CMOS chip is a plugged chip because you can't see the legs. Is it soldered or will it pry up like the others? Didn't want to destroy anything.
Here are the (4) pics mentioned/requested. I also saw on the forum the "clear chip" number for the S+ is a 123 chip. Someone responded to my post it was possibly a 015 chip?
Thanks
Just viewed my update and only see 1 of the 4 pic's. Did I do something wrong?
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Wow, a chop top AC coin conversion. Since you got a 61 then 61-1 then back to 61 after turning the J/P key, I would say it is in the loop. It has been my experience when that happens is when the code 12 came up the person said, hey I've got this magic key and turned it. I would do a clear. Make sure to let us know your chip #'s for getting your settings back for home use. If interested you can make your double diamond a D.D. Haywire by using SP1274 and SS4270
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So from the last posting it is looking like I will need to do a clear. Still wondering what clear chip I will need if no one comes up with anything else to try. As I mentioned one posting I saw had a UTube video and mentioning a 123 chip for an S+ and another comment saying 015 chip. How do I know which to get and then since I don't have a Dollar Bill feature will I need to do anything else to get it playing again. Thanks for the responses. As far as the DD Haywire I don't want the grandkids getting all my quarters (didn't know what it was so I googled it)
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The 15 is the set chip. Enables bv and set's denomination you need both.
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So from the last posting it is looking like I will need to do a clear. Still wondering what clear chip I will need if no one comes up with anything else to try. As I mentioned one posting I saw had a UTube video and mentioning a 123 chip for an S+ and another comment saying 015 chip. How do I know which to get and then since I don't have a Dollar Bill feature will I need to do anything else to get it playing again. Thanks for the responses. As far as the DD Haywire I don't want the grandkids getting all my quarters (didn't know what it was so I googled it)
The 15 is the Set chip, the 123 refers to the Clear chip. Two different chips. It best to include the word "Set" and "Clear" with the number of the chip to avoid confusion. Like this: Set 15 (or Set 015) and IVC 123 Clear chip.
The cmos ram chip is underneath that black plastic cover, it is at circuit board location U56, just below the chip marked with "731" in your bottom photo. That black plastic cover should come off, then you will see the cmos chip in its socket. But doing the Clear procedure with the Clear chip should take care of your "stuck in error 61 loop" problem, so I wouldn't remove the cmos chip and do anything with it.
The chip with the "731" written on top is your SP chip, also called the GAME chip. The other chip near it is the REEL chip, it has an SS number but yours isn't labeled, just says "Slotto". By knowing your SP and SS chip numbers you can find out information about your machine such as what features and preference settings choices it has.
There is an easy way to have the machine tell you what the SP and SS chip numbers are, just follow these instructions:
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=2251.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=2251.0)
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The 15 is the set chip. Enables bv and set's denomination you need both.
He does not need both -- he has no bill validator.
A RAM clear chip (also called the IVC123 clear chip) is what you likely need at this point.
I'd be interested to know what your SS chip is, which can be found in the link provided by rokgpsman in the previous post. If it's a Slotto-specific chip, you may need a different SS chip, too, since you don't have the Slotto top-box bonus assembly. I'd be curious what happens when you land on the Slotto symbol -- I suspect the machine will lock up, if it even works at all without it.
I'll second the concern that rokgpsman posted in Reply #3 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=17996.msg95557#msg95557). The stand you have the machine on doesn't look very substantial, and slot machines are quite heavy, as you know. I'd be worried about little kids hanging on the pull handle and toppling the machine over on to themselves.
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I learned some thing new. Always thought you needed set chip for denom. It's been a while for me with S+ even thought I have 4 in my collection. I thought I remembered set B/V, push button, then denom., push button again to save. Thanks.
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The S+ uses "coins" and pays out coins. What the coin is, is rather irrelevant to the slot.
Where it becomes relevant is when you insert a bill into the DBV - how many credits should you get for your bill.
Sometimes you get people who will label the machine 25c or 1$ but yet set up the dbv to be 1c so you get 100credits for a $1.00
ITs a quick way of adding credits.
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Based on all the responses which have been very helpful understand a little more about my slot. I found on ebay the set of chips (clear and set with inst) and ordered them. Hope to have them next week sometime and I will update the post afterwards. I will also follow the process to see what chips I have installed and post the info. As far as the concern about the table I have the slot on it is a very sturdy "hardwood" table with zero wobble of any kind and only sits 22" off the floor. Thanks for your thoughts/concerns. It was definitely high on my mind before putting it there. I actually got it special for the slot for that reason.
Thanks again and I will update later with good news.
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Elvis: You do need a SET chip to set the denomination, but as Jay posted, the denomination is irrelevant to the machine if you're only using coins, and it will work fine without setting the denomination.
nash1935: Once you get the RAM clear chip, here are directions on how to use it: http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=16134.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=16134.0)
There's also a video guide created by another member, which can be seen here: http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=15747.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=15747.0)
Finally, if you get another error code after you clear the 61 error, see the following page for the instructions to get past the other error code(s) you might encounter: http://www.newlifegames.net/igterrors/ (http://www.newlifegames.net/igterrors/)
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OK...got my proms. Seems to have gone well except it now will not accept any coins. Goes through a normal power on cycle. Wheels spin, 0 coins played and insert coin lite on. Coins go straight through.
I did go through the procedure to find out what proms I have. Game type is 0, Game chip 1915. The credit window however does not alternate as mentioned. It stays on 0731 with no change. Is this a problem? Could it be the reason my coins go straight through. Seems to be the consensus I do not need to do anything with the set chip I have since I do not have the "$ bill" feature on my machine.
Any assistance would be appreciated. Thinking maybe I should go through the clear procedure again but will wait for some guidance.
Thanks
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A clear won't likely change this behavior.
There are 2 sets of tests - the first is the coin comparator, and the second is the abc optics that the coin must pass before its accepted.
Do you have a sample coin in your coin comparator ..... ? If I was selling my machine I would take the coin out. Im' cheap (LOL) so if this is a new machine to you - there is likely no coin. If there is a coin - remove it and replace it.
The abc optics have a small button on it that can be pressed and you can put credits on your machine. IF the abc optics are dead this won't work.
There is also some self test functions that will show if each of the optic sensors are operable.
The abc optics are so named as when the coin passes through it triggers optic A, then B then C. If this flow is broken or reversed theoretically by some cheating device then the coin is also rejected.
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OK...got my proms. Seems to have gone well except it now will not accept any coins. Goes through a normal power on cycle. Wheels spin, 0 coins played and insert coin lite on. Coins go straight through.
I did go through the procedure to find out what proms I have. Game type is 0, Game chip 1915. The credit window however does not alternate as mentioned. It stays on 0731with no change. Is this a problem? Could it be the reason my coins go straight through. Seems to be the consensus I do not need to do anything with the set chip I have since I do not have the "$ bill" feature on my machine.
Any assistance would be appreciated. Thinking maybe I should go through the clear procedure again but will wait for some guidance.
Thanks
From what you are saying your machine reported that your Game chip is an SP731 chip and that matches up with your photo you posted earlier. Attached below is the document for the SP731 chip, it gives you all the various features and settings of that chip. The other chip number you say is "1915". That isn't the Game chip, it is called the Reel chip, it contains the software for the game you have on your machine. Sometimes the IGT terminology is confusing. This is the chip that is labeled "Slotto" and it is something interesting. I wasn't able to find anything about it. Maybe one of the other folks here will know more.
If your machine accepted coins before and now doesn't then perhaps when you did the CLEAR ram process one of the settings was reset to a default value that is causing the problem. If so, then pressing the white TEST button inside the machine will let you access the setup menus and step thru them to view the various settings, change any that you need to. The SP731 document below has instructions for doing this. Perhaps that setting, such as the coin denomination, was cleared when you did the CLEAR process and you will need to select the right denomination (25 cent for example). It says that the denomination can be set in TEST mode if you do not have a bill acceptor.
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OK..I'll try again. Thought I posted a reply but its not there so let me try again...
I do have a coin in the comparitor and nothing has changed since this problem started. It worked before the battery died. I did notice what appears to be a green lite on the comparitor (see pic) which is not illuminated. Should it be and if so could it be the problem. What causes it to lite? Where are the "abc optics" guessing near the comparitor but I do not see a button to push to add credits as mentioned.
The attachment about setting on the 0731 chip is very informative but I do not see how/what test # the setting is made to say .25 coins. Being a NewBee I don't want to guess or change a setting and make things worse.
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Its the opposite of a refrigerator. The light is only on when the door is closed.
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Based on reply #13 above http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=17996.msg95649#msg95649 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=17996.msg95649#msg95649) I don't think you will have to deal with setting the coin denomination. I only mentioned it in case you wanted to check it and other settings on your machine to make sure they are ok after the CLEAR you did, plus you can get familiar with the TEST/Setup menu screens on your machine.
The green lite on the coin comparator is used on the test bench by a tech when he works on them. It only comes on when the coin comparator has power and it is enabled. When installed in a machine that means the door has to be closed.
The coin optic boards (abc boards) are mounted just below the coin comparator. When the comparator accepts a coin it will drop out of the comparator and then drop between the optic boards that are mounted in front of one another with a gap in between for the coin to drop thru. The optic boards signal the machine that the coin was accepted and is on its way to the hopper and to issue a credit for play. Normally there is a small pushbutton mounted on the outer optic board, you can press it to add a credit to the machine for testing purposes. If you can't find it then post a photo of your coin comparator and the circuit boards right below it.
elvis mentioned earlier that your machine is an "AC Coin" conversion machine, so I don't know if your coin acceptance setup is the same as a normal S+ machine. But a photo of the inside of the main door will show us.
Since your machine worked with coins before you replaced the battery and did the CLEAR ram process I thought it might be good to verify the settings in your TEST/Setup screens. If you want to do that then just print out the SP731 document and follow it for stepping thru the TEST menu screen settings.
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Right now it could be as simple as the coin rake solenoid not energizing. Find the tiny white button about 2 inches below your comparator and push it. Each push should register a credit, then with the door open you can push the spin reels button and it should play. There is also a small screw on the comparator that you can turn to the left to make it less sensitive to coins.
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OK....update. As mentioned I printed out the 0731 test/setup doc. Went through the best I could. There was no denomination in the window so I used the set chip and set it to 25. Swapped back in the 0731 prom and went through the test/setup and it now has 25 for test 6.
It was mentioned about the white button. I see no button so I am posting a pic of the inside showing the comparitor area. I also posting a pic of outside showing its ready to play. Coins go straight through to the tray still.
Looking at test 1 the winner paid window shows 10.1 and test 2 shows 10..
Should it change as I drop a coin in? Not sure what the display is telling me.
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Never seen one without a test button. Try this, pull the coin comp. out. Look inside the frame and you will see a solenoid for the coin rake. Block it in the open position and replace the coin comp. All coins should now go into the hopper. Hopefully they will register credits. Maybe as simple as the solenoid is not plugged in. Doubt it though.
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I can see your test button hiding underneath the black wiring loom. The bottom left corner of the small board underneath the coin comp. has "S1" printed on the board. Just to the right is your small test switch. At least that is where mine is.
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If the Insert Coin light is on, it likely is ready to accept a coin. I'd try two simple things first before looking into settings:
1: Re-seat the sample coin. Remove it and then put it back properly into the comparator. Ensure that the coins you're attempting to insert are the same as the sample coin.
2: Adjust the sensitivity of the comparator to make it less likely to reject coins. Directions here: http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=10759.msg93615#msg93615 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=10759.msg93615#msg93615)
Edit: I didn't see that this thread had another page -- I now see that Elvis already mentioned adjusting the sensitivity.
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I can't see the switch on your coin optics board but that may just be the fuzziness of the photo. The pushbutton is also called the "pseudo" credit button since it is used to put artificial credits on the machine for testing purposes, when the door is closed these test credits will be eliminated.
Also, it may not help the problem in this case but the coin comparator sensitivity adjustment is shown below. People usually set it all the way or nearly all the way to its max counter-clockwise position. You can turn it with a small screwdriver or similar tool.
Another thing: others here can say for sure, but does the credit limit or other similar limit get set to zero after doing a CLEAR? Could that prevent the machine from accepting a coin? I know it can keep a bill acceptor from accepting a bill if doing so would put the machine over the credit limit setting.
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Good Morning all
You guys are the best. I now have a working DD. I'm almost glad the battery died and I had these problems because with all the help I have received I feel I know 100%more than I did before.
I can not say for sure what fixed it but I did not have to try and adjust the sensitivity of the comparitor (so far but now I know its there). I snapped out the comparitor and first I just manually moved the rake arm and blew out the comparitor good. Put it back together and it works......Yea.
This forum is a lifesaver for me. :thank_you: :thank_you: . The Grand kids will give it a real workout soon.
Merry Christmas to all and thanks again.
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To summarize, your machine was stuck in the 61-1 loop problem and doing a ram CLEAR took care of that. Then you had the second problem with the coin compariator rejecting all coins, which went away after removing and then reinstalling the coin comparitor.
Perhaps it was just a flaky connection on your coin comparitor cable and when you removed it for cleaning and reconnected it things started working. Or the coin rake was stuck and manually moving it freed it up. Glad that all is ok now, if it happens again you will know where to check first.
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Pretty much so. Actually after the first time getting to 61.1 it never went back to it. Just stayed on 61.
Thanks to all the help I definitely not only know where to start looking but actually feel pretty confident with my ability to go through the 0731 test procedures.
You all are great..... :thank_you: :thank_you:
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FWIW, I just had an issue with a Bally S6000 that was rejecting pretty much every coin. I also took the comparitor out of the machine, blew air into where the sample coin goes since it appeared dusty, adjusted the sensitivity as described earlier, and it started accepting coins 100% of the time.
Glad to hear you got your machine working again.