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Title: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: chibooey on November 25, 2018, 05:42:36 PM
I recently picked up a Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68 from a relatives estate.  Reel mechanism and the case components look to be in good condition, however the hopper has some wiring issues. I see taped connections which will need to be redone properly and one broken terminal on a solenoid.  The entire machine needs some love but I think this will be a nice slot starter project for me.  Any suggestions, part numbers, wiring diagrams and parts sources would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Jon on November 26, 2018, 01:02:59 PM
Beautiful machine I think I saw those Illinois's for a 995 plus shipping shipping is done in a small flat rate box I don't remember 765 785 to Florida


Due to the cost of shipping you might look over the machine really good and see if anything else is broken so we can throw it all in one box
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Bally Bill on November 26, 2018, 08:41:16 PM
Welcome to the forum! Yes very nice Money Honey 742 ,I have been looking for that reel glass for over a year and ended up making my own out of plexi. Chilbooey let me know if you need any pictures of the inner working of my 742 1G  to compare and check for missing parts. Best Regards Bill
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Amechanic on November 26, 2018, 09:22:50 PM
Welcome to the forum! Yes very nice Money Honey 742 ,I have been looking for that reel glass for over a year and ended up making my own out of plexi. Chilbooey let me know if you need any pictures of the inner working of my 742 1G  to compare and check for missing parts. Best Regards Bill

WOW... Really nice job on making that reel glass. If you didn’t say it was a repo glass, I wouldn’t have guess it. Jon is a great source of parts for these machines. He should have the coil you need. Was for the taped wired those can be fixed when you replace the coil.
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: DavidLee on November 26, 2018, 10:04:24 PM
Welcome, nice machine.
Try repairing the coil. Just might need to solder a short extension from the broken wire.
Crazy glue the solder lug back onto the white plastic insulator.
Check the fuses and 120 volt power cord for any damage and or exposed copper.
Plug it in, observe the machine while it warms up for any buzzing, smoke or strange sounds.
Insert a coin try the handle. Come back to the NLG EM site and post what happen.
I wouldn’t tweak, adjust or clean anything unless very obvious like the coil.
Pre adjusting and cleaning may compound any problem(s).



Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Bally Bill on November 26, 2018, 10:26:30 PM
yep Davids advice is spot on, only fix the obvious issues with your machine. Here are some pics of my 1G hopper to help solve any mystery wires and missing parts-Best Regards Bill
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: DavidLee on November 26, 2018, 10:33:34 PM
1 picture is worth a 1000 words.
Bill, good the hear from you!
Everything is about the same on my side of city.
Just a little older and a couple more machines as in Pinball’s.
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: chibooey on November 26, 2018, 10:59:44 PM
Thank you all for the responses.  I will take the advice given and not change anything unless absolutely necessary until I know what is working and what might be having issues.  I think the coil is beyond repair, but I will take a closer look this week to see if I can repair it.  Just brought the machine home this weekend so now I need to get a bench cleared so I have room to work.  I really appreciate the pictures of your 1G, it will be a great reference, and I can only hope to get this one looking that nice.

Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Bally Bill on November 26, 2018, 11:16:45 PM
Hi and that's what we are here for to help fellow Slot guys like yourself!! David, So glad all is well with you and  the family,Yes all is well here in the OC but I have a new slot hobby....smallest slots in the world!! Hey please call me so we can go to the Pinball museum in January (1100 pinball machines and 200 arcade games) Played 100"s of pinball machines for 5 hrs...best time ever.Chibooey let me know if you need any more pics...FYI please get the Bally Parts/ Repair PDF to help you learn the key components of your new baby!
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Amechanic on November 27, 2018, 12:56:54 AM
Hey Bally Bill...

Where is that large lot of S2000 machines?
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Bally Bill on November 27, 2018, 05:12:31 AM
Good morning Amechanic, I had a coworker send me that picture and he said its a storage warehouse in Vegas. He has family in Nevada and I asked him to get me the company name  address or any contact information …..I would love to walk those isles
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Amechanic on November 27, 2018, 12:57:34 PM
Do they sell to the general public, or do you need to know someone..
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: chibooey on November 27, 2018, 03:12:18 PM
i checked for any additional obvious issues and couldn't find anything besides the coil.  All fuses looked good. I plugged it in and all of the lights appear to work, dropped in a dime and it was accepted without issue.  Coin went straight into the hopper and the handle was released, reels spun and stopped as expected.  Played it for a minute, hit a double cherry but hopper did nothing (as expected).  The machine needs a good cleaning and proper lubrication but nothing appears frozen.  I was happy with the initial checkout.  I even found a wiring schematic for a 742a-167 (Tic Tac Toe Caesars Palace) W1046-234 in the case.

Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Bally Bill on November 27, 2018, 08:53:24 PM

Holy smokes! That's a dime EM! Nice! would love to have a dime EM in my line up. Take some time to go over all the NLG EM post regarding the cleanup and tuning of that bad boy and post pictures of the transformation. Best Regards Bill


Hi Amechanic, Not sure about selling S2000 to public but I got my guy talking to his nephew in NV and hope to have something soon...trust me if they sell to public its going to be a "Bandit" style road trip to Vegas.
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Bally Bill on December 02, 2018, 07:42:39 AM

Update on wall of sin pic, my co-worker called his nephew in NV and he got the photo from his friend who works at this place as a technician- Scientific Games Corporation 6601 S Bermuda Rd Las Vegas NV 89119 still not sure if they sell used slots to General public but I plan to call next week and inquire.
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Amechanic on December 02, 2018, 07:47:03 AM

Update on wall of sin pic, my co-worker called his nephew in NV and he got the photo from his friend who works at this place as a technician- Scientific Games Corporation 6601 S Bermuda Rd Las Vegas NV 89119 still not sure if they sell used slots to General public but I plan to call next week and inquire.

I was more interested in the reproduction glass like the one you have for the reels.
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Bally Bill on December 02, 2018, 07:56:06 AM
no worries, I do have my friends that still work at the Print shop that I used to work for and maybe I get something produced but it will take time. I did find a new source for slot machines while I was looking for a Keno machine for my friends parents.   https://slotmachinesltd.com (https://slotmachinesltd.com)   I think I have 2 extras of the MH reel plex if needed but the color is not as heavy as the final product... PM me if interested
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Amechanic on December 02, 2018, 09:01:42 AM
I have a Red Glass 873 that has a cracked reel glass and the top glass has some paint loss. I’ve been looking for a couple years for replacement glass. I can find blue, black, and a brownish color, but not red...
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: chibooey on January 22, 2019, 04:57:10 PM
Finally making progress.  Machine is up and running, hopper is working well.  Few minor issues that still need work.  One jackpot not paying correctly (all of the others pay right), I need to clean the wiper boards yet.  I have a groan coming from the right side of the reel mech that I think will go away with cleaning and lube, and the bell doesn't work on any jackpot.   That last one has me stumped as the wiring looks correct, but again, cleaning the wiper boards might fix all of these issues.  Outside of the case is cleaning up nicely, inside will be a work in progress as it needs lots of love.
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Amechanic on January 22, 2019, 05:38:41 PM
How far off are the larger JP payouts? Those two have separate adjustments.
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: chibooey on January 22, 2019, 05:43:08 PM
There are two payouts of 150 and one payout of 100.  The 150's both payout correctly, the 100 only pays a single coin.
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Amechanic on January 22, 2019, 06:00:32 PM
Shoulda like you need to locate the 100 coin payout trace on the hoppers wipe board and see what that wiper fingers doing?
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: chibooey on January 22, 2019, 06:10:01 PM
It looked correct, but this machine has been sitting for 10 years in a basement so there may be some point not making contact.  That's why I was thinking about cleaning the wiperboards first.  All of the other payouts, including the smaller ones, pay correctly.

Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: DavidLee on January 22, 2019, 06:34:13 PM
Regarding the incorrect payout. Check the contacts on the payout step up unit pertaining to the particular payout in question. If the contacts and or receiver strips are dirty it could cause a short payout.
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Bally Bill on January 23, 2019, 05:28:23 AM
yes had similar issue on mine but it was for the 150 payout,I would reset hopper to zero and manually step the hopper 100 clicks and make sure the 100 payout finger is hitting the payout strip correctly. I would reinstall the hopper at the 100 setting to see if it pays correctly. Please check that finger has some tension on the board and is getting consistent contact during payout
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: chibooey on January 23, 2019, 03:54:27 PM
The wipe board had some grease on it, cleaned it and all of the payouts are now working properly!   Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.   

Now onto the JP bell....  It appears that the bell itself isn't working.  I see 6v at the bell on a JP so the correct power is being delivered at the right time.  I see several burn marks on the bell.  While there is an adjustment screw it appears that there are bigger issues.  Are replacement bells readily available?  Any recommended actions before I replace the bell?  Bell sources?
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Bally Bill on January 23, 2019, 04:07:09 PM
 Good  Job!  love the easy finds and fixes on these EMs. If its dead you might be able to replace the coil but I"am not sure if that's the fix. Did you check the contacts on the payout relay?
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Amechanic on January 23, 2019, 06:55:07 PM
Contact KLar on the home page under Sponsors at the top of the page. Contact them for a EM jackpot bell. I know they don’t have any listed as of yesterday under parts. But it doesn’t mean they don’t have any.
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: chibooey on January 23, 2019, 07:15:14 PM
Thanks!  K-LAR does have one.   Problem resolved.


Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Amechanic on January 24, 2019, 08:09:18 PM
Thanks!  K-LAR does have one.   Problem resolved.

I was messaging Alan at KLar and he informed me he would have it posted soon. Below is what he said. Are you sure you order the correct bell?

“I should have the 6VAC Bally EM case bell on the site soon..”
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: chibooey on January 24, 2019, 09:56:21 PM
The current bell is an Edwards 55 and the voltage going to it is 6V. The schematic shows it as "6v Jackpot Bell".   I was able to get the existing bell to work using a 6V battery and even in the machine but it is in very poor condition so I want to replace it.  Thanks for following up with Alan, he was very responsive and helpful.






Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: Amechanic on January 24, 2019, 10:11:34 PM
The current bell is an Edwards 55 and the voltage going to it is 6V. The schematic shows it as "6v Jackpot Bell".   I was able to get the existing bell to work using a 6V battery and even in the machine but it is in very poor condition so I want to replace it.  Thanks for following up with Alan, he was very responsive and helpful.

Okay great, you talked to him directly. I myself just received a parts order from them today. Now tomorrow I can get back to rebuilding my reels assembly for my Monte Carlo.
Title: Re: Newbie with Bally 742A-1G dated 10-4-68
Post by: chibooey on January 28, 2019, 05:10:33 PM
Bell has been replaced (Thanks Alan for the fast shipment) and machine is running great!

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