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**Video Poker, Keno, Slots, 21** Gaming machines => WMS Williams Video => Topic started by: Phan000 on August 31, 2022, 07:21:13 AM
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Need help to ID this machine. Is this a 550?
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Probably a converted 550. Means it has CPUNXT cpu board inside based on the the game theme of the glass.
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Thanks. So, likely the clear, setup, and software issues will be similar to working on a bb1?
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yes
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I picked up that machine.
It is missing the mpu. Not familiar with this backplane.
What. mpu goes with this?
Thanks(https://i.imgur.com/pPFYvJF.jpg).
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Wow, no MPU. In the good news front, the extra power harness needed for the cpunxt board is there as is the power filter (which is not really necessary but it is nice that it is there). You have 2 options for this machine.
1. Get a legacy MPU 1.5 Plus mpu AND the I/O board to be able to run the eprom based legacy 55x/36x video slot themes.
2. Get the CPUNXT board that will allow you to run bb1 games with some a few exceptions (it does not support the SPN bus, so games that use the extra bet button will not work).
This is a 1.5 Plus with the I/O board on e-bay (I have no affiliation or experience with the seller, just using his post to illustrate what they look like) You already have the backplane installed inside the cabinet, you only need the other 2 boards.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/115082080606 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/115082080606)
Attached photo of CPUNXT board on both sides (it is all in one, so you don't need the I/O board for this one, just the one board).
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Yep, it was an unexpected surprise. Guy got a foreclosed house with junk in it, including this machine.
We adjusted the price, and it is a sought after title around here. Figure the monitor and glass are worth the $100 in any case.
I plan on only installing this one title. Looks like the all-in one board would be the easiest to work with. Also seems incredibly scarce.
If I got the two board cpunxt, I’d have to deal with EPROMs instead of compact flash, correct?
Thanks
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Yes legacy 550 software is eproms, but Super Jackpot Party is a CPUNXT theme, so if you want to run that game, you will need a CPUNXT board. The LCD on that machine is worth about $200-$300 by itself when sold with the bezel, they are usually never available as used as these machines usually have a CRT on them. All LCD's are 3rd party ceronix conversions typically.
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Nice and clean.
Rick,
Are you saying there was a NXTCPU in there, or just the cables? Never seen or worked on a 550 before, what is needed to make this basically a NXT1 CPU?
Not snapdragon, right? That is all EEPROM.
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There was a CPUNXT board in there as evidenced by the aux power cable that is tied to the back and the power filter on the bottom left side of the cabinet. Both of those things did not exist on a legacy 550 cabinet until it was converted. Also the glass artwork for SJP is a giveaway as it was only available as a CPUNXT theme. The snapdragon was used to run some early bb1 cabinet based themes that where basically a stepper slot with some top box graphics, it was only used on bb1 cabinets. The 55x/36x cabinets had eprom based video themes (on an mpu called the 1.5 and later the 1.5 plus to accommodate better graphics and sound and eliminating the video daughtercard (the 1.5 mpu was also used for stepper games in the 40x series cabinets) , the steppers were part of the 40x cabinets which also included the dotmation games. That was the generation prior to CPUNXT when wms went to CF cards going forward.
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I managed to find the CPUNXT, will arrive in a few days. Am still looking for the software.
Any set up differences between that processor and the bb1?
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It's the same software as a bb1, so everything is setup the same way.
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You were able to find the NXTCPU? It was in the house?
You will need a RAMClear card, too.
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[My NXTCPU arrived.
Tried to install using some other game for my bb1 and my clear card.
Board has power, fan on, but display goes right to “no signal”
Bad board, wrong clear, something I’m
Overlooking?
not sure what to look at next?
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Figured it out-
Vga was in wrong port.
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You also need to plug in the aux power connector (See the 8 pin molex plug on the CPUNXT board?), there is a cable that I saw on your photos towards the backplane, you need to plug that into the cpunxt board, otherwise you will get random reboots and weird behavior from the machine.
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Much appreciated Rick, would have been my next post no doubt. It was doing exactly what you described.
I saw that empty molex, but that aux power cord was all bundled up. Probably just had it that way while moving the machine.
In any case, I was able to perform a clear & begin game load.
My spare “King of Africa” game is probably too advanced for this set-up.
Stalls at call attendant. Diagnostic test switch does nothing.
JP key brings up a screen that says “program time out”
The SJP chips should arrive soon though.
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There are 2 king of africa games. One is a hot hot penny game which requires the extra bet button (won't work on this setup because it doesn't support SPN hardware), the other one is a BB2 game G+ Deluxe type, usually does not work with cpunxt hardware. Most games that use OS family h13.xx will not work on a bb1 class MPU. There's a list that someone started that lists the bb2 games that will work on a bb1 (Any game that uses OS family H9.x or higher is officially a bb2 theme, though some will work on bb1's with some features or sounds missing).
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I made some progress last night. Installed great cheese money caper. Was able to get to the set up menu, and put in most of the settings.
Got an error for no validation. Both com choices are set to none. Do I need to select SAS on one?
Also- have an Ithica 850. Paper was brown & old and cardboard at bottom of stack.
Put in new paper and got a printer com error. Printer is powered, led light is off. Anything that I can checK?
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Do you have a TITO board installed in the machine? Or are you just trying to use the printer to print tickets for show? In any case you would have to select netplex printer on the device setup, or no printer at all if you don't care about having the printer print tickets.
If you don't have a TITO board, printing tickets is worthless beyond just showing people you can print tickets, the machine will not accept the tickets back.
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I don’t have a Tito now, but will be putting one in there if that is possible. Would I get one for a 550, or bb1?
Wanted to make sure printer is functional.
I’ll change setting to Netflix, was set for ithica 850.
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I’ll change setting to Netflix, was set for ithica 850.
Netflix? haha...Maybe we can watch Games Of Thrones on it? :Tongue_Out:
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Getting close to done.
Needs button bulbs, and still want to sort out printer issue.
On the previous game, I tried using netplex printer, but still had com error.
Any self test feature on ithica 850?
I definitely want Tito in the machine. Would Ii get a Tito set up for bb1, Or 550?
Thanks for all the help. Fun little project.
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You should be able to hold feed button as you power up to have the printer print a self test page. I don't think I've ever used an Ithaca printer for a WMS machine, so now I'm not entirely sure if netplex is the correct choice.
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Still working out the printer issue-
When I chose Ithica 850 the machine the machine goes to hand pay with no errors.
When I choose netplex I get a printer com error.
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It goes to handpay because the system has no validation setup to authorize the printer to cash out. You need setup primary sas to standard validation, then the printer will print a ticket, but you can't use the printed ticket for anything other than a souvenir. There are lots of youtube videos on how to setup TITO on a BB1/BB2 machine, the only difference is you will select standard validation instead of system validation. Here is a link to one of them (Courtesy of Bettor Slots) Around the 5:50 minute mark, the SAS setup begins, which is the important part as far as the printing is concerned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5frTkXd75GQ&ab_channel=BettorSlots (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5frTkXd75GQ&ab_channel=BettorSlots)
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Awesome. All set. Thanks a bunch.
So when I buy a Tito, I get one set for bb1?
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They are all the same, just the cable is different. You will probably need to make a cable for yours as they are not typically sold for the 550 backplane. There's a thread somewhere about it.
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They are all the same, just the cable is different. You will probably need to make a cable for yours as they are not typically sold for the 550 backplane. There's a thread somewhere about it.
I searched through old threads and saw that you made the 550 host connection end for a cpunxt Tito.
Couldn’t find the pin out in any follow up threads.
Any chance you have this saved somewhere?
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The post is in the old archive site.
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=20544.msg196858#msg196858 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=20544.msg196858#msg196858)
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Fantastic. Very cool. I’ll see if I can make one as well.
Great photos. Thanks again.
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Machine has been playing fine for a couple of weeks.
Today, it started cycling on and off. Similar to when aux power was not connected.
I tried a clear. Works so far, But concerned this is something that needs to be fixed.
Thinking the PSU is failing. What is the part number for the power module in the PSU?
Thanks
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The internal PSU usually fails first. There's a big silver box to the rear back of the machine. It contains the power supplies. Inside the silver box, there's an "inner" power supply that does the 5v and 12v rails, these usually go first. Most of the time, it's just bad caps, and a recap will fix it. You can individually buy that part, just look for wms inner power supply or condor power supply. You could also just buy the whole thing. Spininc has a reasonable price on the whole thing.
https://www.spininc.com/power-supply-williams-550-16-pin-110220-volts-5060-htz (https://www.spininc.com/power-supply-williams-550-16-pin-110220-volts-5060-htz)
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Thanks.
That’s what I was thinking, inner PSU.
I’ve replaced that part on ballys before, pretty straightforward.
Is the inner power supply part# PU-110-31A?
Or PU-110-13A?