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Title: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on December 31, 2014, 12:56:53 PM
  I bought the slot machine at an auction. It functions O.K. but is set for a 5 minute session only. This was some kind of promo machine at Trump Plaza before they closed. It has no coin hopper nor any bill validater. The openings in the machine for coins, bills and tickets have been covered. It plays for 5 minutes, giving you 2000 credits. It totals the credits for the period. I have the reset key and the reset gives you another 5 minute session and resets the total credits earned to zero. Is there any way to change this to a regular slot machine? I don't care about the coins nor the bills. Just eliminate the timer. I am new at this so please be kind.  :hail:
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Shaggy on December 31, 2014, 02:28:56 PM
Well let's get you to the right place. That's an S+ machine. Go to S and S-plus reel games and post your question and start from there. It looks like a b/v in there to me though.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: cowboygames on December 31, 2014, 03:37:21 PM
I'll move the topic for you
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Denny on December 31, 2014, 05:04:17 PM
Yeah, it looks like there is a bill validator in there and it is unplugged.  You may want to check that first.
Denny
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on December 31, 2014, 05:43:19 PM
 :thank_you: Yes, there is a bill validator. I plugged it in and it still does the same thing. It was set up as some kind of promo machine at Trump Plaza. I get 2000 credits and 5 minutes on each reset. Can't get around that. I just want to play it normally with or without money or tickets. Any ideas? :Scratch-Head:
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Shaggy on December 31, 2014, 06:23:10 PM
Lets start with game and reel chips. Maybe there is a chip that does this.    Just press the white test button (next to the power switch) enough times so that a 4 is displayed in your coins played window.Looks like on yours, the button may be on the back of your power switch. That's where mine is. It will give you 2 numbers, one is the sp chip (game) and the other is the ss or reel chip. Gotta start somewhere. Let's start with those.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on December 31, 2014, 07:32:48 PM
You will have tournament chips in it. All you need to do is get a SP1271 and maybe a SS chip for your strips but I'm thinking just the SP1271. If you get the BV working you can set hopper pay to "0" and play only from credits from bills. I will be glad to walk you through it once you get a chip. It is 1271 you need. I just fixed it.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: qbert on December 31, 2014, 07:36:43 PM
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I don't have much experience with S+  but it sounds like there is a tournament chip in this machine.
That would explain why it plays on time and not credits and also why the jackpot key resets the timer.
We need to know what chips are in the machine.
Rich
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: qbert on December 31, 2014, 07:38:26 PM
Rockin ya beat me to it. Sounds like you got it nailed
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on December 31, 2014, 07:48:05 PM
I just did 10 S+ machines in a month. I can set them up in my sleep right now. A month from now who knows? I will always have my cheat sheet notes.

It is SP 1271 you need. I just fixed it.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Ken on December 31, 2014, 10:56:37 PM
Quote from: Shaggy on December 31, 2014, 06:23:10 PM
Lets start with game and reel chips. Maybe there is a chip that does this.    Just press the white test button (next to the power switch) enough times so that a 4 is displayed in your coins played window.Looks like on yours, the button may be on the back of your power switch. That's where mine is. It will give you 2 numbers, one is the sp chip (game) and the other is the ss or reel chip. Gotta start somewhere. Let's start with those.


Once you provide this information then someone can look in the PSR .. most likely there is some place in the programming section to turn off the tournament mode. If so and the bill acceptor happens to work then you could play the machine. But the hopper limits needs to be set to zero before you start playing it in case someone hits the cash out button (since there is no hopper in there).
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: CVslots on December 31, 2014, 11:27:25 PM
Quote from: Ohio Gaming on December 31, 2014, 10:56:37 PM
Quote from: Shaggy on December 31, 2014, 06:23:10 PM
Lets start with game and reel chips. Maybe there is a chip that does this.    Just press the white test button (next to the power switch) enough times so that a 4 is displayed in your coins played window.Looks like on yours, the button may be on the back of your power switch. That's where mine is. It will give you 2 numbers, one is the sp chip (game) and the other is the ss or reel chip. Gotta start somewhere. Let's start with those.


Once you provide this information then someone can look in the PSR .. most likely there is some place in the programming section to turn off the tournament mode. If so and the bill acceptor happens to work then you could play the machine. But the hopper limits needs to be set to zero before you start playing it in case someone hits the cash out button (since there is no hopper in there).


Yep..pretty much nailed it there!  :agreepost: :I_agree_1:
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on January 01, 2015, 07:03:22 AM
Thanks for the help so far. You are right on target. The switch was on the back of the power switch. I put it on 4 and the numbers in the winner paid window switched back and forth : 0176 and 14. The number in the credits window was 0735. Not sure yet if the b/v works but it does reset and has a couple small red lights inside it that light up. It won't take a bill with the door open and I need to remove a cover to try it from the outside with the door closed. I'm checking on getting a SP1271. Thanks again!
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on January 01, 2015, 07:17:48 AM
You know, just in case you might want to get a BV enable set chip in case it has been turned off. When you get your reset key we can find out if it is on or not. You can push the little test button 2 or 3 times and will see a 2 or a 5 in winner paid. Turn the key until it has a 9-?. If BV is on it will read 9-1. I suspect it will be 9-0. When your ready I can help you over the phone or write it all out here.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on January 01, 2015, 08:21:00 AM
I have the reset key. I put it on 2 and turned the key. It started at 10 and goes up to 46 then starts back at 10 again. NO 9-?. I also put it on 5 but the key has no effect.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on January 01, 2015, 08:30:28 AM
Guess that means the tournament chip won't allow it. I have a note that says you can make a Haywire from a DD by using SP1274 and SS4270 then it would be a DD Haywire.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: CVslots on January 01, 2015, 10:02:22 AM
The bill validator will not function (and will not be an option) in Tournament mode. (Think about it, casino doesn't want someone walking up and playing a machine set for tournaments.) If you pull out your MPU, chances are you have an ST chip in the SS (Reel) socket.


Easiest thing would be to just order a new SS (Reel) chip, a new SP (Game) chip, and a SET chip (to enable the validator). Shouldn't be more than $20-30 total.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on January 01, 2015, 10:19:07 AM
I have a PG 0176 in the reel socket. Where's the best place to get these chips?
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: jay on January 01, 2015, 04:25:29 PM
Any of the vendors on the home page  will have a complete set of chips available.
Be sure to pickup a Set chip and a Clear chip while you are at it. You might not need them right away but the cost of shipping is usually more than the chips.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: knagl on January 01, 2015, 05:17:48 PM
For what it's worth, tournament chips typically support a non-tournament mode as well.

Based on what you've posted, you have a ST0176 REEL chip, and a SP0735 GAME chip.  Unfortunately, I don't have documentation for either of those.

Can you verify that the chip in the GAME socket is SP0735?

The PSR for the GAME chip would explain how to switch the machine out of tournament mode.  Without the PSR, however, we'd be guessing as to the correct setting.  As such, it would be easier to purchase new chips, but it should be possible to switch the machine out of tournament mode without buying new chips.


Quote from: topgun on December 31, 2014, 05:43:19 PM
I just want to play it normally with or without money or tickets. Any ideas? :Scratch-Head:

The only way to play it "normally" is to use coins or bills.  You cannot have the machine in a freeplay mode except for its tournament mode.  At a minimum, you will need to enable the bill validator and insert bills to add credits.  If you want to use coins with it, you'll need to purchase a coin comparator (yours is missing) and a hopper.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Neonkiss on January 01, 2015, 05:26:41 PM
Here is a PSR for SP830 used in type 14 tournament games. Read down to where it has the setup information for tournament.
I'm sure it's the same for the SP735
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Ken on January 01, 2015, 05:31:29 PM
Tournament Mode <0> [20]            This page is displayed only if the tournament mode option (game type 0/14) is requested at the time the data chip is produced, and if no credits are accumulated on the credit meter from a non-tournament game.  Enable {1} or disable {0} the tournament mode.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: CVslots on January 01, 2015, 10:02:34 PM
Thanks for the clarification Knagl and Ohio! I was not aware an ST chip would allow non-tournament mode! Good to know!


But BV will not be functional whenever in tournament mode, correct? Regardless of whether or not it is enable in menu?
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: knagl on January 01, 2015, 11:20:21 PM
Quote from: CVslots on January 01, 2015, 10:02:34 PM
But BV will not be functional whenever in tournament mode, correct? Regardless of whether or not it is enable in menu?


Correct.  ...and all coins would be rejected to the tray, too, if one attempted to insert coins.


As far as the standard mode for tournament chips, the following chart lists the known S+ tournament chips.  The "SS Equivalent" column lists the SS chip that the tournament chip acts like when in non-tournament mode.

http://newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%20Tourney/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Tournament.htm (http://newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%20Tourney/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Tournament.htm)
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on January 02, 2015, 09:51:06 AM
I also have a key just above the main board behind the hopper. What is this key for?
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on January 02, 2015, 10:33:10 AM
That's just a lock for the MPU tray...With the power turned off, you shold be able to pull up on that big black knob on the MPU tray and it should come straight upwards to take out.
If not, then turn the key, and pull up on the MPU tray knob.
It should release.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on January 02, 2015, 05:59:43 PM
Bunker, I have had machines with that key also. They were key switches. Never mattered which way it was turned as it did not seem to change anything.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: CVslots on January 02, 2015, 10:53:25 PM
Quote from: therockinelvis on January 02, 2015, 05:59:43 PM
Bunker, I have had machines with that key also. They were key switches. Never mattered which way it was turned as it did not seem to change anything.


Some casinos (well, most) lock the MPUs. We've found dozens (hundreds maybe) of sets of keys in the bottom of the machines fresh from casinos. If not, you have to drill it.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Stayouttadabunker on January 03, 2015, 03:57:12 PM
Quote from: CVslots on January 02, 2015, 10:53:25 PM
Quote from: therockinelvis on January 02, 2015, 05:59:43 PM
Some casinos (well, most)'locked the MPUs. We've cou d dozens/hindreds? Of sets of keys in the bottom of the machines fresh out of casinos. If not, you have to drill it.
Quote from: therockinelvis on January 02, 2015, 05:59:43 PM
Bunker, I have had machines with that key also. They were key switches. Never mattered which way it was turned as it did not seem to change anything.

 
I agree folks...the only way to know what's under it is to pull out the MPU tray
and see if the key is being used as a lock or a keyswitch?  :scratch-head_2:

I had one of these once and it had a couple of wires going to it.
I think the wires were carrying the signals to the MPU or COM circuit board to the backroom...if someone opened it.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on January 03, 2015, 06:09:30 PM
"I had one of these once and it had a couple of wires going to it.
I think the wires were carrying the signals to the MPU or COM circuit board to the backroom...if someone opened it."

I think you hit the nail on the head. Make the most sense I know of. And explains why turning it doesn't change anything with the machine.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on January 25, 2015, 12:55:55 PM
I have installed a sp 1274 and a SS 4270. All I get is a code 65 3 in the winner paid window. It does not self check at all.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Shaggy on January 25, 2015, 01:50:05 PM
According to the S+ error (tilt) codes that when the 65-3 comes up to turn the reset key once for the machine to continue. Or open the door and hold the reset button for 2-3 seconds.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: CVslots on January 25, 2015, 02:04:35 PM
Uh, lets not confuse a 65-3 with a 65-1 or 65-2. A 65-3 is cleared with a turn of the jackpot reset key. Pressing the self test will NOT clear a 65-3. Lets take it ONE error at a time.


65_0Bad EEPROM deviceReplace EEPROM with a blank one.65_1Bad EEPROM dataOpen door and press self test button for 1 to 2 seconds.65_2Game type mismatchOpen door and press self test button for 1 to 2 seconds.65_3Game options & meters not in most current formatRecover options & meters by using correct set chip.ORTurn jackpot reset key to continue power-up procedure.  Game will be upgraded to most current format.  See 65_1 or 65_2.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Shaggy on January 25, 2015, 02:13:10 PM
Guess I misread the error sheet.....sorry! Thanks, Roz.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on January 25, 2015, 02:23:47 PM
none of these work at all. I have been trying to convert this tournament machine to a standard play double diamond. I have used the set chip and the clear game chip first. I have no bill validator operating nor do I have any coin mechanism. Maybe this is the problem. It does read 61 when it comes on and then goes to 61-1 when I hold the self check button...but then it stops there. When I close the door...nothing just a 61-1. When I turn the reset key with the door shut, it gives me a menu of items and eventually gives me the 65-3 that I mentioned. Any ideas?
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Ken on January 25, 2015, 03:16:04 PM
Quote from: topgun on January 25, 2015, 02:23:47 PM
none of these work at all. I have been trying to convert this tournament machine to a standard play double diamond. I have used the set chip and the clear game chip first. I have no bill validator operating nor do I have any coin mechanism. Maybe this is the problem. It does read 61 when it comes on and then goes to 61-1 when I hold the self check button...but then it stops there. When I close the door...nothing just a 61-1. When I turn the reset key with the door shut, it gives me a menu of items and eventually gives me the 65-3 that I mentioned. Any ideas?


When 65-3 is displayed .. Close door and turn reset key.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: CVslots on January 25, 2015, 04:19:42 PM
 :agreepost: :I_agree_1:


You are soooo close I can taste it!  :Excessive_Drool:


Go through the steps ONE MORE time, and follow the directions EXACTLY. I know it seems petty, but even the slightest of misstep will not clear the error (or worse, make it worse off). Like turning the key with the door open, versus turning the key with the door closed will not accomplish the same thing.


So...turn machine ON.


At 61, press self test button 2-3 seconds to get 61-1 (and maybe a DING).
At 61-1, CLOSE THE DOOR and turn little brass key on side of machine (jackpot reset key).
At 65, KEEP the DOOR CLOSED and turn the jackpot reset key ONE more time.



Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on January 25, 2015, 04:40:45 PM
I followed your directions exactly. At 61 I pressed mthe reset button and got a ding and 61-1. I closed the door and turned the reset kep and it gave me a 65-3. I turned it again and it gave me a 65-1. I turned it again and it clicked and a 01 in the wi9nner paid window & 1 in the credits paid window. I believe it is in check mode now and will go through several different numbers as I turn the reset key or hit the spin reels button. ?
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on January 25, 2015, 06:00:20 PM

61 press button to 61_1
 
 
Close door and turn jackpot reset key.
 then 65_3

Turn jackpot reset key to continue power-up procedure.  Game will be upgraded to most current format.  See 65_1 or 65_2.
 

 

65_1
 
Bad EEPROM data
 
Open door and press self test button for 1 to 2 seconds.

close door and game should boot. After all this is cleared and booted. Install BV chip and enable BV and set denom.

Then when you have replaced the 1274 you will have to do the 61 thing again. Once you get to that point you will have to set options and limits for credits etc. We will walk you through that when your ready. It is very easy.
 



 
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: CVslots on January 25, 2015, 06:12:59 PM
Quote from: topgun on January 25, 2015, 04:40:45 PM
I turned it again and it clicked and a 01 in the wi9nner paid window & 1 in the credits paid window. I believe it is in check mode now and will go through several different numbers as I turn the reset key or hit the spin reels button. ?


You were doing just perfect, but that SECOND turn of the key (at 65-1) took you into the program (that's what turning the key too many times, or turning key at wrong time will do).


Now, you will need to KEEP turning the key to exit the program. Keep flipping the key until displays blank for 1-2 seconds and returns to the 65-1.


Now, at 65-1, proceed with the instructions for 65-1 as given previously (Open door and press self test button for 1 to 2 seconds. Then CLOSE the door and game should boot.) You do not have a bill validator, so you can will not need to perform the BV SET chip.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on January 25, 2015, 06:16:28 PM
Sorry, thought he had BV and not coin in. He will still need to set denom.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on January 25, 2015, 09:38:30 PM
I'll try everything in the morning and see where it goes. I really appreciate all your help. Thank you. I'll be back tomorrow.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on January 26, 2015, 07:01:19 AM
OK. I followed everything exactly as you stated. Everything went exactly as you said. I also used the set chip to install a BV that was in the machine for 25 cents. I then got a 6, pushed the test button, got 6-1, closed the door, the machine booted, turned the reset key. I now have a zero in the credits played window. It is flashing and the BV is not working. So far, so good. I guess I just need help setting it up from here.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: CVslots on January 26, 2015, 11:27:58 AM

AWESOME! Good job!  :applause: :applause: :applause:

I thought you said it had no BV????  :Scratch-Head:  Didn't I read that in one of your posts? Oh well, no biggie.


Anyway, the option you are looking for with the SET chip is 9. Flip the 9-0 to a 9-1, and the BV will be enabled. (Now, that's not to say there isn't an issue with the BV itself, but at least it will be enabled in the program.)
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: CVslots on January 26, 2015, 11:30:45 AM
Quote from: topgun on December 31, 2014, 12:56:53 PM
It has no coin hopper nor any bill validater. The openings in the machine for coins, bills and tickets have been covered.


Ok, so I'm not losing it after all! Whew!  :arrowthruhead:   


But then again, maybe I am losing it, as I see later where we were talking about your BV! These long threads are a killer...
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on January 26, 2015, 01:33:44 PM
It does have a BV and I already have set it to 9-1. I am in normal running mode right now but all I can get is a 0 flashing in the credits played window. It does self check and acts like it wants to work...but it doesn't. I think I somehow need to get credits on the machine. The BV is not accepting anything and I have no coin mechanisms at all. This was a tournament machine in the beginning. It has no cash box for the bills either.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on January 26, 2015, 02:40:03 PM
You will need the Cash can for it to work. Do you have a WBA bill validator or a DBV 200 or 145? You will need to know before getting a cash can. OK no coin comp., is the bracket and coin optics there? If so you can press the little button on the optic board to put credits on. This will only work while door is open. Do not do this before you set option below because if you hit a win it will want to pay and start more trouble. You will need to set some options before you try to play. I believe it is the same for 1274 as 1271.

•With the machine turned on and in idle mode, open the door press the white test button 2 times
•You should see "2  n" in the winner paid/credits windows, where n= 0 or 1. Press the spin button until it reads "2  1”
               This enables the spin sounds.
•Turn the jackpot key once. This advances through the setup sub-menu
•You should see "5  n" in the window, where n= 0 to 2. Press the spin button until it reads "5  0"
               This will make all wins automatically go to the credit meter. You will not have to turn on the credit button before playing.
•Turn the jackpot key three times.
•You should see "8  n" in the window, where n= 0 to 2. Press the spin button until it reads "8  1"
               This will force all bills inserted to go to the credit meter. You will never accidentally end up cashing out your bill.
                  [ADD 5-30-2011] It turns out that this setting has to be enabled when the dbv is set up using the SET chip. If the SET chip option is
                  configured as disabled, this option can't be changed and all bills will always go to the tray. If the SET chip option is configured as enabled,
                  then the option is set here. If enabled, a set chip is NOT required to change this setting.
                      Thanks Poppo and Stayouttadabunker for this info. 

•Turn the jackpot key once
•Press the white test button to "return" to the main menu and advance through it until you get to option group 7

          {stop the first time you see a “7” in the Coins-In display}
•Set your hopper and credit limits as follows:
               Note: To set these values, turn the jackpot reset key to change the selected (flashing) digit. Press the spin button to increment the
                          flashing digit.
•[7-1] 0000   Maximum number of credits that will actually cash out from your hopper.

                               Zero effectively disables the hopper, but you can use a low number to match the number of coins that you have, if you wish.
                               If you have more credits than the value set here on the meter, pressing cash out will become a hand pay that is cleared with
                               the key.
•[7-2] 1200  This will cause all single wins of 1201 or more to lock up as a jackpot with lights flashing. Set this between the highest win that you

                           want to pay out normally and the lowest win that you want to lock up as a jackpot. Jackpot wins cleared with the jp key
                           "disappear" and are not added to the credit meter (although they are added to the jackpot meter in the bookkeeping menus.)
•[7-3] 9999  All single wins of equal to or less than the value set in [7-2] (1200 or less in this case) will go to the credit meter as long as the final

                           number of credits is less than 10,000.
•[7-5] 2000  The bill validator will turn off when you have more than 2000 credits. Use any value that you want here.
•[8]    0000  optional.  Partial pay on lockups. If you want some of your jackpot or lockup amounts to pay from the hopper, set this
                                 to the number of coins you want to pay out. This number cannot be higher than the hopper limit setting [7-1].
•Press the white test button one final time after making your last setting change to be sure that the changes stick
•Close the door
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on January 26, 2015, 03:05:39 PM
Options are set as you described. There is a bracket and some coin optics in the machine. I found a small white button on the optic board and it let me have 2 credits with the door open. When I hit spin reels it operated normally with the door open. When I close the door it goes back to a flashing 0 on the credits played window. Is the cash can missing the reason I can't use the BV? Can I operate it without any coin mechanisms? All I want is for bills, not coins.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on January 26, 2015, 03:09:31 PM
My BV is model DBV-145-SS-6031-B022.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on January 26, 2015, 05:03:47 PM
Yes you can operate without coin mech. You will need a cash can for the 145. It is not the same as WBA. That 145 will probably only take old small head style currency. For best results upgrading to a WBA 11-12 is best as you can use the newer large head colorized bills. The flashing zero is normal as the machine is waiting for credits. Great news is your almost there. Bet you had a nice smile pushing the optic button and playing pseudo credits. Now there is a way to play without any of this. Add 2 wires to the pseudo coin button, then run outside of the machine to a push momentary switch. Disconnect one of the door optics so the machine thinks the door is open. Then you can add a credit and play. You can check with Ros or any of the suppliers here on NLG for WBA or just cash can. Or place a want to buy ad. 
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on January 26, 2015, 06:04:33 PM
Big smile !! I'll check back once the cash can arrives. Thanks!!
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on January 31, 2015, 12:58:42 PM
Got my cash can. fits perfectly. BV still not working. Do I need to use the reset chip to get it going? I can't set the hopper payout to zero either. Keeps coming back to 300.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on January 31, 2015, 01:11:27 PM
Did you set the other limits like the list had them? Since no hopper it needs to be zero in case of cash out. When you turn the machine on, does the BV cycle? On the left side is a red handle, it needs to be in the down position. Loosen the screws on front then put lever in down position then tighten screws. Post a picture of it or a short video if possible. My phone only takes mp4 video so it won't post here. I upload to youtube then put link here.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Ken on January 31, 2015, 01:59:00 PM
Quote from: topgun on January 31, 2015, 12:58:42 PM
Keeps coming back to 300.


On the CPU board there is a set of 8 dip switches close to the volume control pot. Set 1, 2 and 3 to the on position and 4 - 8 off. That will allow you to change your hopper limit. The current dip switch settings it is set for has it locked at 300 and is why you can't change it.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on January 31, 2015, 02:49:39 PM
Yes. I set all limits as stated. The BV does cycle when the machine is turned on. It also has 2 little led lights inside that I can see are lit up. The red lever is down. I set the hopper pay to zero but it reverts back to 300 when I check it after restarting. Video of machine startup is here: http://youtu.be/DYLFDlKElzs (http://youtu.be/DYLFDlKElzs). I can't tell when the dip switch is off or on. I will also attach a pic of the switches and maybe you can help me know if they are on or off.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Ken on January 31, 2015, 03:48:18 PM
Those are set in the wrong direction. Just switch them all and they will be correct.


Red lever up.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on January 31, 2015, 03:59:10 PM
changed the dip switches to opposite and moved the red lever up. Still no BV. I also reset the hopper payout to zero and it came back to 300 even after I changed the dip switches. ?
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Ken on January 31, 2015, 04:01:47 PM
Odd in my book .. maybe someone else has a suggestion.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on January 31, 2015, 04:51:09 PM
there is a white button in the back of the cash can compartment. I guess it is supposed to let the machine know the cash can is in place. I looked around the back of the compartment and there are no wires connected to that button. It is a button with no connection at all. Useless the way it is. It was not needed for the tournament play. Maybe that is my problem. ?
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: knagl on January 31, 2015, 10:31:51 PM
Try setting the hopper limit to 1 to see if that sticks.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on February 01, 2015, 06:09:45 AM
My mistake about the red lever. That switch was for casino use, it had security wires to it so they would know when cash box was removed. I gave him settings for 1271 and he is using 1274. I was guessing they would be the same or close. Also, the BV is not making the proper noise as it is not turning the cash can. Loosen the 2 thumb screws and lift the red lever up and the BV should set down in the back. Then retighten the thumb screws. Next on the right side of the unit there is a plug put it on and off a few times. I have had them not make good contact.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on February 01, 2015, 07:46:58 AM
tried setting it to 1 and it reverts back to 300.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on February 01, 2015, 08:25:30 AM
tried resetting the BV with the arm up. It did set down in the back. Don't see a plug on the right side. Video of results. Also a pic of the dip switches to make sure they are correct.http://youtu.be/L-BeTOgWCHU (http://youtu.be/L-BeTOgWCHU)
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on February 01, 2015, 11:25:42 AM
I'm not close to a S+ right now. On most there is a label on the MPU tray that tells you about the dip switches. I guess I've been lucky on the machines I've done. Never had to change dip switches. Your zero flashing in coins played is saying it is ready for credit to play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvA70sgMse0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvA70sgMse0)
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on February 01, 2015, 02:11:56 PM
I really appreciate all your help. After I properly set the BV and had the arm up, it sounds like the correct noise like yours. However, the BV still doesn't work. I think maybe this machine has been set to not recognize a BV nor a coin mechanism either. I did use a ram clear chip and a set chip. Is it possible that there could be another chip or something that needs to be changed? I think this because of 2 things: 1) the BV sounds correct and seems to be OK but is not accepting bills, and 2) I can't set the coin hopper to anything except 300 coins (no matter what the dip switch setting is). Seems to me we're possibly dealing with another setting or chip somewhere. ? It does have a label on the MPU tray and it says to set the dip switches at on for programable hopper set. They are on. I also tried them at other settings with the same results. It always comes back to 300.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: knagl on February 02, 2015, 02:33:37 AM
Your latest video is set to private in YouTube so I can't see it, FYI.  I would be interested to see (well, really hear) how the validator sounds when you turn it on.

I will say that in your previous video (Reply #54 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=4727.msg27239#msg27239)), while you could hear the validator cycling, the fact that it was cycling repeatedly indicates that the transport was NOT meshing up correctly with the cash can.  It tries three or four times, then gives up.  If that happens, it is not ready to accept a bill and won't enable itself, even if all of the settings are set correctly.

In the video that I can't see, is the power-up cycling of the bill validator still as it was in your previous video?  If so, that's where we need to focus our attention.

Play therockinelvis' video a couple of times to hear the difference between his validator and yours.  His cycles a couple of times to get everything moving, then it makes a final noise indicating that everything is lined up and good to go.  Listen to the validator in his video compared to yours.  Yours, at least in your Reply #54, is trying repeatedly to get ready but isn't meshing up correctly with the cash can.  After trying three or four times, it just gives up.

DNC 200 start up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvA70sgMse0#)


Sorry I didn't get a chance to look at the PSR for the SP1274 until just now.  I can solve a couple of mysteries.

1) The SP1274 does not listen to the DIP switches at all.
2) The SP1274 defaults to a hopper limit of 300 coins if you try to set it lower than that.  Yuck.

"Hopper Limit <7> [1]   Determines when hand pays and hopper pays occur.  If set to fewer than 300 coins, the game automatically defaults to 300 coins upon exiting the self test."

I will say that if you had coin handling (a comparator and a coin head to direct coins into the comparator, and a hopper), I believe your machine would be ready to accept coins at the point you've gotten it to, which is good.

Let's not worry about the settings right now and focus on getting your validator to accept bills.  We can get you a different SP chip at some point that will let you set the hopper limit to zero, but that's not what's preventing the validator from working, so let's focus our energy there for the moment.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on February 02, 2015, 06:52:12 AM
Great post Knagl. I suspected the 1274 for the hopper settings but like you am more focused on BV. Once he gets it going then worry about a 1271 or something. I have had the old BV like these act up and have to turn them by hand from where they have sat so long. If you loosen the thumbscrews and push red handle down then unplug 3 harnesses. You can pull the whole unit out. Once out, on the left side you will see the transport motor. Turn that gear by hand and see if everything moves. Sometimes the belts get stuck from sitting or stuck in the bent position they have formed by not being used.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on February 02, 2015, 07:29:58 AM
Thanks again guys. I am reposting the BV operating after the adjustments mentioned earlier. I did check all plugs and connections.  I believe that the chip is the problem. I have also removed the BV and it does turn freely. I think I will need a 1271 instead of a 1274 and that may even correct the BV problem. You guys know a lot more than me so whatever you think. I still am not sure if the dip switches are set to on or off.
http://youtu.be/Fnbm_FOJKuc (http://youtu.be/Fnbm_FOJKuc)
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Jim on February 02, 2015, 09:25:18 AM
If you are really serious about fixing this machine you should do the following:  and it probably will set up back around 200.00 to do it right:  first off, the bill acceptor you have is FIRST GENERATION TECH., you have no way of knowing if the head works, or the transport works, we think the power supply supply is good, but there is a second part to the power supply we haven't been able to test. even if it did all work you are limited to what bills the unit will accept and upgrading it to the latest acceptance level is difficult because you have to find the right chip with the latest version of bills AND THE PROPER IDO PROTOCOL.
I would upgrade to a WBA-12, this will take you up to the new ten, and all the previous new currencies.  you would need the following, the head and transport unit with duckbill for S+, the transport shelf holder and wiring harness, a power supply, and cash can. they all fit into the same holder as the unit you now have.

it appears that you have all the front end items for coin use except the following, a coin head and bracket, and a chute to direct the coins into the hopper. you will also need a coin comparator and hopper.

and LASTLY (this is a personal preference- I would use a SP-731 chip, )  it is so user friendly and so easy to use, everything is done with the buttons on the front panel, you never have to use the jackpot reset to enter into menus or cycle through the menus, its all done with the buttons.

if you want to try and get the current unit going, make sure the the cable that is plugged into the power supply harness for the bill acceptor is also plugged into J-6 on the motherboard, this is the 4 pin connector that is the comms between the bill acceptor and the cpu. get into the test diagnostics, go to the input test that shows a 10_1 as the first test available, use the jackpot reset key and cycle to test number 27_1, the bill acceptor bezel should be lit, and you should be able to put a dollar bill into the acceptor, it will pull it in, hold it for a few seconds then return the bill. 

Hope this helps

Jim 
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on February 02, 2015, 09:43:47 AM
I cycled to 27-1 but could only get 27-0. It does take the bill there and does like you ,said..takes it in for a few seconds and then spits it out. It also changes to 27-1 for a second after it comes out and then goes back to 27-0.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Jim on February 02, 2015, 10:02:25 AM
if all that operates,then it should accept it with the door closed,  did the bezel lights come on during your test,  if no, lamps could be out, test in the denom lamp socket, the board could be bad, or the connection is not plugged in or there could be a bad ground from the max bet button to the lamp board.


Jim
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on February 02, 2015, 10:10:50 AM
He has no bezel to light up. Good call on the mother board. I had not thought about that. There is a diagram on here showing what each port controls. Very possible that plug is not connected to the mother board (the one on the bottom of the machine floor). I think it is a 6 wire connector to the left side.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on February 02, 2015, 10:18:33 AM
it does accept the bill with the door open and with the door closed at 27-0. I don't know what the bezel light is.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on February 02, 2015, 10:28:46 AM
Your missing that piece on the front of your door that goes around the BV duck bill. It has 2 lights to let you know the BV is ready. Not having it is not a problem and doesn't effect it. This is the board I'm talking about. Pay no attention to the burn mark. The plug your looking for is to the left
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on February 02, 2015, 10:42:22 AM
here is a pic of the bottom board. Looks like it is plugged in. ?
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: rickhunter on February 02, 2015, 10:50:34 AM
Don't you also have to change the door to go to a wba from a dbv.  I thought the dbv opening was a bit different than the wba?
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on February 02, 2015, 10:56:02 AM
His power harness is right. The picture I posted shows how the burn mark looks. Here is the diagram I was looking for. It appears his BV is plugged into the MB
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Jim on February 02, 2015, 11:30:09 AM
the 27 test would never work if the bill acceptor comm plug at J-6 was not inserted!  so because the test did work, indicated that it was plugged in. WHY THE UNIT IS ACCEPTING BILLS WITH THE DOOR CLOSED????  when the door is closed the machine should get out of the diagnostic mode and enter into the play mode??

Rick,  no not really, all the main units are a direct replacement, ( inside the cabinet) if the black bezel was an old version, then updating that would cure the opening problem, if the door opening would not accept the new black bezel a simple hacksaw, dremel tool, or ? to increase opening. Have done many of them.
along those lines,  sometimes, the duck bill  has to be shaved on the right hand side as well!

Jim

Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on February 02, 2015, 11:39:23 AM
Since it is now pulling the bill in then returning it. Does the 145 have dip switches to keep it from taking a 1? I think that is what he tried in the video. If it is taking a 1 and returning it, try an old little head 20
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on February 02, 2015, 11:49:24 AM
it will not take any bill in when the zero is flashing. It will accept then return when set on 27-0. Only then. should this reading be 27-1 and how can I set that? It does go to 27-1 after it sends the bill back but only for a second and then reverts back to 27-0. ?
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Jim on February 02, 2015, 12:04:55 PM
everything for test 27 is operating as it should, just as you described. nothing to set.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Jim on February 02, 2015, 12:35:59 PM
at this point, lets go to the menus and check all the settings,  in the group 2  check the 9 setting, should be 9_1 enabled,  Group 3 settings,  #6   should be set at 25 cents,   what are all the #7 settings??  should be 4 settings listed each with a numerical value.


Jim
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on February 02, 2015, 01:09:33 PM
Yes, press white test button 2 times. a 2 or 5 will be in window. turn key to 9. It should read 9-1 to be on. Even though you thought it was turned on with set chip, it might not have been.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on February 02, 2015, 01:26:15 PM
you are correct. Ir reads 9-0. It is not turned on. I used the set chip ,to turn it on. ?  7-1 =0300, 7-2=9999, 7-3=9999, 7-5=9000 and i get no group 3-#6 setting.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on February 02, 2015, 01:47:53 PM
when you put your set chip in make it 9-1 then push button again set to 5, 10, 25, 50 or 1.00. It has to know what value.  If you set at 5 you get 20 credits for each dollar. machine will still pay same # of credits. after setting denom. push button again to save. Replace SP chip and you should be good to go.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on February 02, 2015, 02:19:15 PM
getting closer.  :dancing_2: It now accepts the bill but just gives it back and no credits. I tried several different bills. No luck. I guess the 3rd time was a charm. I actually set those settings twice before. How old do the bills have to be? any idea about the dates on the bills to help me there?
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Jim on February 02, 2015, 02:30:07 PM
here's where it gets tricky, usually when that happens, it could be the wrong IDO  chip in the bill head, unfortunately , there is no switch to choose between IDO 022 or IDO 023,  maybe its on a sticker somewhere?  most times the coin in display will flicker a "1"  inducating the wrong IDO.  or ???


Jim
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on February 02, 2015, 02:36:52 PM
NO flicker at all anywhere.  IDO 022   ver 3.00           1996         model DBV 145 SS
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Jim on February 02, 2015, 02:53:21 PM
your SP 1271  is a IDO23  device.    I would say everything is good to go, except for the IDO issue.  That's what I was saying earlier, it will be hard to find the right SS chip number that will handle the IDO 022 protocol.    or find the right 145 chip with a IOD 23, then hopefully everything will work.

It's been a long time since I worked with the 145, so maybe someone else could chime in here.


Jim
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on February 02, 2015, 02:56:56 PM
I actually have sp1274. Everyone has been comparing it to sp1271. Could it be that I need older bills?
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Jim on February 02, 2015, 03:08:36 PM
same deal, its a IDO 023 device as well,     022 will not work with a 023         plain and simple.      head IDO has to match the Game IDO, so they can communicate.   

bills won't matter until you get two that match!

Jim
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on February 02, 2015, 03:11:32 PM
Got it! So now I need to find an eprom that will handle an ido 022 and work with the double diamond 3 reel machine. Is that correct?
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Jim on February 02, 2015, 03:26:14 PM
your best move would be to purchase a DBV 200 head, this has the software that is compatible with either, combined on the same chip. it is selectable by flipping a switch.  will accept more of the newer currencies, and has 4 way acceptance, and is a direct replacement for the 145 head. you may have to upgrade  you black power supply as well.  if yours has vents on it then you won't have to do that.


Jim
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on February 02, 2015, 05:20:30 PM
I have access to a sp731 and ss3664. I believe the machine should be compatable with the ido 022 and should operate correctly once I check all my settings. I will let you know when I get the chips and get it set up and ready. Here's hoping this will work. Thanks for all your help so far.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: knagl on February 03, 2015, 12:25:49 AM
Sounds like some good progress today!   :cool_thumb_up:

Good: The startup sounds of your validator in the latest video sound pretty good.
Better: The fact that it attempted to accept a bill in its normal casino mode.  :yes:


You can sometimes cheat a $1 bill through with the wrong ID between ID-022 and ID-023 -- the pulses to the game are very similar, and sometimes (but not always) you can get a $1 to work with the wrong protocol.  I began thinking why it might not work, and it struck me that your machine was from the Trump Plaza casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey.  Machines in Atlantic City were (and maybe still are?) set to not accept $1 bills.

With the power off, check the DIP switches on the bottom of the DBV-145 head (you'll need to at least partially remove the head from the machine in order to access the switches).  Ensure that DIP switch 1 in bank one is set to OFF.  If switch 1 is on, it is set to reject $1 bills.  Please check this before going further, as you need to make sure that the validator head itself isn't the reason it won't accept your $1.


Regardless, as Jim mentioned, the SP1274 is designed to be used with ID-023 bill validators, so while you may be able to cheat a $1 through, you'll ideally want to switch to a SP chip that is designed to be used with an ID-022 validator.

Also, I just noticed that the SP1274 is for Type 2 or 21 games (Haywire and Haywire Deluxe).  The SS4270 chip you have is for a 2-coin Double Jackpot Haywire game, not a 3-coin Double Diamond game.  Having the wrong game chips in there won't prevent the machine from working, but the payouts will be wrong once you do get it working.


Quote from: topgun on February 02, 2015, 05:20:30 PM
I have access to a sp731 and ss3664.


Well, that's a step in the right direction.  I believe the SP731 is compatible with ID-022 (it doesn't state in the PSR, but with being that old I would think it's ID-022).

Also, the SS3664 is a correct chip for a 3-coin Double Diamond, so that means the payouts should be correct, too.

Go ahead and put in the SP731 and SS3664 chips.  No need to perform a clear, just replace the SP and SS chips in there with those chips and plug 'er in.  You should get an error code (or more than one) -- follow the resolutions listed here (http://www.newlifegames.net/igterrors/) to get past the errors and get the machine to spin up as if it's ready to accept a coin.  You can and should use the pseudo coin in button on the bottom of the coin in optics to test if the game is working with the door open with a test game.  If it is, then the software has been installed correctly and you're ready to activate the bill validator.

Follow the directions you previously used to enable the validator.  There are directions at this link if you need them again: http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/dbv.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/dbv.htm)


You're just about ready to try your $1 bill now.  First, press the CASH/CREDIT button (or "CASH OUT", depending on the legend) until it lights up, if it will.  If it toggles on and off, make sure that you press it so that it is lit up before you insert the bill, or it will try to pay it out of the non-existent hopper.  We can fix that with settings later.

Now, try your $1 bill and see if the machine accepts it.  If it does, it will either give you credits, or give you a hopper error as it will be attempting to pay out of the hopper.  (If you do get a hopper error due to it trying to pay coins out of the hopper, you'll have to do a RAM clear with the clear chip to clear the empty hopper error, since you don't have a hopper installed.)

Let us know how it goes.  Good luck!


Ideally, you'll want to upgrade to a newer bill validator.  The DBV-200 might be a good choice, as it will use the same enclosure as you already have so it will be fairly easy to install.  As mentioned previously, if your bill validator power supply (little black box under the reel shelf, along the left side of the bill validator) does not have vent slats in the plastic, you'll also need one of the vented power supplies to run the DBV-200, as the non-vented power supplies do not have enough juice to run the 200.  The 200 has a nice feature in that you can change between ID-022 and ID-023 with the flip of a DIP switch.  The 145 can't do that.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on February 03, 2015, 05:57:17 AM
The chips #'s are my fault. The old site had a post once about making a double diamond a dd haywire by changing to SP1274 and SS4270. He bought them to replace his tournament chips.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on February 03, 2015, 07:39:02 AM
GUESS WHAT !!! It worked!!!  :applause: :hail: On the BV I set the dip switch to off and it now accepts the one dollar bill. It only allows 2 coins though so it is exactly as you stated. You have solved my problem! I will install the other chips next week and then it will give me a 3 coin credit I am sure. Thanks for all your help!!
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on February 03, 2015, 09:14:24 AM
Now get to the bank and get some older money. Feeding it 1's will be a pain. 50's are good and still available in the small head. Nothing with a big head or colorized will work. I keep a few 50's and 100's around for when I come upon these older DBV's. People that buy them are happy to trade a 50 or 100 to get one. I knew you would get this. It is pretty easy once you understand it. Make sure you get the PSR settings for the 731 so you can disable the hopper. One great way to avoid accidental cash out is to pull the whole switch assembly away from the button so it can't be pressed. leave it in far enough so the light shines through.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on February 03, 2015, 09:39:32 AM
I just looked at the 731 PSR and I think you can use the same settings I gave you before. with 7-1 being zero for hopper pay. You will have to set 2, 5, and 8 again also.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on February 03, 2015, 12:40:55 PM
Glad you figured the dip switch on dbv. I thought there were some on there but had no idea what they did. I think he will down the road go to the WBA as suggested.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: knagl on February 04, 2015, 12:43:14 AM
Quote from: therockinelvis on February 03, 2015, 12:40:55 PM
Glad you figured the dip switch on dbv. I thought there were some on there but had no idea what they did. I think he will down the road go to the WBA as suggested.


Or at least a DBV-200, which is a simple swap and will accept newer, although not the newest, money.

For the record, here's a chart for the DBV-145 DIP switches, as found on the old site:

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15622.0;attach=40515;image (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15622.0;attach=40515;image)



Congratulations, topgun, on getting your machine working.  Your persistence was key, and you gave some very good explanations and videos as to what was and wasn't happening with your machine, which helped a lot in the troubleshooting process.  Well done!
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on February 07, 2015, 03:36:13 PM
thanks for the good words...but it's not over till it's over!! I got the sp731 and a ss3664. Installed and got it working for a second until I got an empty hopper error. I don't know how to set the hopper to zero with the sp731. It does not come up with the same menus as the 1274. I cleared the error with a set chip but now the machine is stuck on zero with the candle flashing.  :EmoticonHelp4: !!
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on February 07, 2015, 06:21:01 PM
for 731 psr go here

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=downloads;cat=29;sortby=date;orderby=desc;start=100 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=downloads;cat=29;sortby=date;orderby=desc;start=100)
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on February 07, 2015, 06:50:11 PM
I have the psr for the sp731 but I am not sure how to program the hopper pay to 0. Everything is working but the BV not accepting bills at all and the candle flashes as soon as the reels start spinning at startup. Then I have a solid zero in coins played with the flashing candle and BV not enabled. It is set to 9-1 and is accepting bills when tested in 5. All doors are closed. It did accept a bill at first but then I got a win and a hopper error. Since then it will not accept a bill at all. Won't even take it in. :banghead:
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on February 08, 2015, 05:55:54 AM
I looked at that PSR and thought first 7 was for hopper and second 7 for BV limit. I saw you cleared it again. You have to turn on BV and set denom. again along with #5, #8 and so on. It was working with the 1274 but the reel chip was wrong. Try using the 1274 with your 3664
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: knagl on February 08, 2015, 07:14:19 AM
Quote from: therockinelvis on February 08, 2015, 05:55:54 AM
Try using the 1274 with your 3664

 :talktothehand: :talktothehand: :talktothehand:

Nope. They're not compatible. SP1274 only supports Type 2 or 21 games. SS3664 is Type 0.

You can do everything you need with the SP731. It's just going to take some patience and trial and error to get the settings right. Use the spreadsheet and the PSR to figure out the options, and we can help if you get stuck.

Since I don't know exactly where you're at right now, you might want to start over by clearing it, getting the settings configured, then reactivating the bill validator with the SET chip. Let us know if you have any questions as to what DIP switches need to be set, or what values you should use in the self test setup. You can do this!
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Jim on February 09, 2015, 07:47:36 AM
I suggested  you using the SP731 because it was user friendly,and it is!

read the PSR and follow the directions.  when you are in the self test mode(diagnostic mode)  you use the buttons on the panel to go through the menu and each sub menu.  the "bet 1" will advance to the next menu, the Bet Max button will reverse through the menus, the service button will step through each menu to arrive at a certain test or feature, and the spin button will change the option or feature.  e.g. press white test button, this will put you in the test mode, now using the bet 1  button, advance the tests until you see the #7 in the coins played window, there should be a number in the winner paid window, one digit should be flashing, now press the service button, you will see the flashing digit move over to the next position, do this until you have the digit flashing where you want it and press the spin button to get the right number you want, continue doing this for the second #7 and the the # 8 test and you will be finished.     

Jim
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Blueridgeslots on February 09, 2015, 10:03:07 AM
You can not use SP731 and set the hopper limit to 0 and have the BV accept a bill

The BV credit limit follows the hopper limit on the older (under 1000) number SP chips (if you set hopper to 4 it would accept a $1 bill, but not a $5 if .25 mach.)

If I remember there was only 1 old SP that the hopper could be disabled anyway

I am not going to suggest the best SP to use but without a hopper you are going to need a newer SP chip that supports split settings (Hopper and BV Limits) for the BV to accept a Bill and Credit it to the machine, this is why the BV was active (light on) and bill was held then rejected (hopper set low and bill created too many credits)

For short term you could clear your machine, set it up again with a high credit limit on hopper and pull the cash out button switch so no accidentally cashing out and hope you don't hit a big win that  exceeds the credit limit (if under $1200 {or the hopper limit} the game would start to try and pay from hopper)
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on February 09, 2015, 10:11:50 AM
The 1271 is a good all around chip that let's you do everything
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Jim on February 09, 2015, 12:21:12 PM
Thanks Jim,  good to see you checking in from time to time. Hope all is well.

you know me,  I grew up with the SP731 and SP872.  I like the features, work from the button panel, and mostly test the reels strip positions to the glass payouts.

What you suggest should work, if he set the limits to 9999 on all three settings, he should be good for a while. the machine doesn't know there is no hopper until its called upon to payout.

Never warmed up to the 1271, too much using the jackpot reset switch, never did like that. Just my personal opinion.

Jim
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: topgun on February 10, 2015, 09:46:22 AM
thanks again guys! It is working fine and I can now play 3 coins. I am not sure what will happen if I get a large win but we'll see. I set the hopper settings to 9999 because you can't disable the hopper ( like you told me ) with the sp731. I actually cleared the machine and started from scratch with the settings and then the set chip. This topic is officially closed thanks to all your help!! :dancing_2: :wave:
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: therockinelvis on February 10, 2015, 02:07:15 PM
And only 110 replies. Glad your playing and enjoying your machine. Now it's time for your next machine.
Title: Re: IGT Model B4933CW double diamond (1994) from Trump Plaza (HELP)
Post by: Blueridgeslots on February 10, 2015, 02:49:31 PM
Quote from: Jim on February 09, 2015, 12:21:12 PM
Thanks Jim,  good to see you checking in from time to time. Hope all is well.

you know me,  I grew up with the SP731 and SP872.  I like the features, work from the button panel, and mostly test the reels strip positions to the glass payouts.

What you suggest should work, if he set the limits to 9999 on all three settings, he should be good for a while. the machine doesn't know there is no hopper until its called upon to payout.

Never warmed up to the 1271, too much using the jackpot reset switch, never did like that. Just my personal opinion.

Jim


We are there on same page, I personally do not like the 1271, and that is why I said I wasn't going to suggest a chip, however I too like the SP872/873 if I had to say the one I preferred most ever. But for this persons situation I think the SP1048 would be the easiest problem solver but I know the comments are gonna start about the newest is better and all that jazz.. Personally I played the S+ before BV's and I like the Legacy Sound and slower play so that is why I prefer the ones I mentioned, the SP1048 will allow split hopper/bv limits and can set hopper to 0 and keep the classic sound and ease of set up like you mentioned. maybe it was the many phone calls in the 90's of how do I turn on the sound with the 1271 that turned me off to it, but I do like the newer SP's in the 16mhz cpu's in a slant top for reel stop noise... just my opinion and sure others have their favorite for a reason. I don't think you need the latest chip or the highest percentage reel chip ever made to enjoy a game .... woo tang!
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