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809 X Unit Problem
« on: February 02, 2025, 03:57:15 PM »
Greetings All. I have a problem with my 809 fruit machine. It seems that all of the “X” units work and pay accurately except the X3. It consistently pays out 50%+ more than it should on any pay except the single coin. I cleaned the X3 circuit board and made sure that the two contacts points on the wiper assembly are making good contact. All to no avail. Any assistance would be appreciated

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Re: 809 X Unit Problem
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2025, 08:30:48 AM »
ya confused me some with the single coin statement ... If you mean a low pay like 2 cherries works, but high pays no good, you've almost certainly still got a problem with the wipers/traces on the X3 unit.  No pitting on the traces and the copper is all intact?

if I was a betting type, I'd wager you have trace damage at one spot and the circuit is open when a wiper is sitting at that position.

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the X3 using is only used when you are playing a 3 coin spin (payoff odds in middle column on top glass).

when 2+ coins are played, the odds unit picks which X unit is in the payout circuit.  When a coin is ejected, the selected X unit steps up.  If the wipers on the X unit are completing a circuit before the wipers move, then the payout counter also steps up.

the X units are more-or-less pinball machine score reels ... except a pinball reel has 10 steps and the X3 and X4 units have 12 so they can do a 1/3 and 1/4 ratio.

typically your problem would be the wipers on the X3 unit not connecting yellow/brown wire 36-3 to red/green wire 14-3 reliably.  If that isn't the issue, the only unique thing in the X3 circuit is the wiper connection on the odds unit.    However, if you are getting a consistent overpay, it's not likely to be that.


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Re: 809 X Unit Problem
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2025, 02:28:09 PM »
Thank you Wolftalk. Yes my comments were a bit confusing. A single coin pay pays accurately, as does all the rest of the X units. It is only the X3 that pays out 50% + more than it should. Assuming all of the wires are making proper contract what would you suggest? Replace the X3 unit?

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Re: 809 X Unit Problem
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2025, 07:30:47 PM »
From reading the comments on this post.
I’m thinking the the 3x unit is intermittently failing to send a signal to the payout step up unit.
Possibly bent contact, debris or missing contact rivet.

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Re: 809 X Unit Problem
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2025, 09:21:04 PM »
This is just in the X3 unit?

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Re: 809 X Unit Problem
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2025, 09:35:48 AM »
the only unique thing in a X3 payout is the X3 unit itself and the position of the wipers on the odds unit.

if the amount of overpay is inconsistent, it could be either of those two places. 

if you have a jumper wire, do this:

1] coin the game 3 times so the X3 unit is selected

2] turn off power

3] pull the top insert out and on the odds unit, jumper red/black wire 18-2 to yellow/brown wire 36-3 (see diagram below, but dunno if that's exactly right for your game ... depends which 809 you have)

4] put the insert back in, spin and set up a winner to see if it pays right.  If it does, your problem is probably the wipers/rivets on the odds disc.  Clean the rivets with isopropyl and a scrub pad.

if jumping the odds unit didn't help (or just cleaning black crud off the rivets if you don't have a jumper wire), then it's probably the X3 unit.  Can you post a picture of the circuit contact plate (ideally, remove the reel so the traces are completely visible).

if you can't post the picture due to size limitation on this size, email the pic at highest resolution to slotpics@cdyn.com

if the X3 contact plate is damaged, you either need to source a replacement or repair the damaged trace.

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Re: 809 X Unit Problem
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2025, 05:18:28 PM »
I tried the jumper as you suggested. No luck. Still pays out 50%+ on X3. Actually with the jumper on, the other X units paid out less than they should. Do you happen to have an X3 unit available?

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Re: 809 X Unit Problem
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2025, 06:08:07 PM »
if the jumper on didn't help, the problem is almost certainly the X3 unit.  It could be damaged traces or the jumpering of the traces isn't right.  Would need to see pics of the board with the reel removed.

the jumper was just for X3 testing.  With the jumper on, wins at other multiplier levels would short pay (except maybe really small pays) because the payout counter would be stepping up more than it should thru the X3 circuit as well as the other win circuit, so that behavior is expected and correct. 

I don't think I have any discs for an X3 unit.  While it's the same form factor as bally score reel discs from that era, it has 12 positions instead of 10, so the trace pattern is unique to slot machines.

if it is trace damage, repair is often possible with copper tape, silver solder and/or conductive epoxy.

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Re: 809 X Unit Problem
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2025, 06:42:44 PM »
Video of an odds unit in action.
Bally score reel multiplying payout.

https://youtu.be/tFzVjGmQcdE?si=NLsNj0ozMUwrvGXO

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Re: 809 X Unit Problem
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2025, 09:47:36 PM »

Thank you for the assistance. I will look for an X3 unit.

 

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