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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2023, 03:29:02 PM »
Since you swapped motherboards….
What is left is your harnesses.

Use a multimeter at each end.
A burnt connector means that it’s arcing and creating a sparc.
Just because it’s not burnt doesn’t mean it’s a good connection.
No connection=no sparc or anything else.

Remember the wires are only crimped into the molex.
So is possible there simply is not a connection at one end or the other.

The only way power gets to the MPU is through the motherboard.
yeah looks fine with meter.. I am really pulling my hair out on this one.
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2023, 03:39:04 PM »
So i pulled the motherboard and harness again. I connected the harness to the MB. I ran a meter on one end of harness to the board pins under the connector (back side of board).  Connection is fine.

YET! Still no change when reinstalled and powered....WTF!!!!!! UGGGGGGGG
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2023, 03:44:14 PM »
Can someone confirm this looks like their connected correctly?
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2023, 04:10:19 PM »

Confirmed.


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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2023, 04:30:26 PM »
I was kind of hoping it wasn’t so least I might have a solution to this long lasting thing. I’m still stuck in no man’s land on this project. Turning more into a boat anchor than an actual machine. Any ideas appreciated.
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #45 on: January 12, 2023, 07:37:11 AM »
Do some searching for a somewhat recent S+  post/thread that someone else had a few months ago.
I'm serious.....it has a LOT to do with your problem that you're having....this is why...>>>

That "zero" lit up on the left-most side of the "Credits Paid" on the reel glass display...that should NOT be there.

I just saw it in Repy #32.

ONE of those smaller black Molex connectors that plugs into the motherboard can mistakenly go into TWO headers - because both motherboard headers and that plug are the same size.
I forget which one but if it's plugged into the wrong one, I think that's what causes the display to be screwed up and make it display a zero in that spot on the display.

See the harness that has mostly brown wires that plug into the motherboard on the floor?
Those wires are only for the mechanical meters...you don't need it to be plugged in for the machine to work or boot-up.
The clicking of the meters can be a nuisance....also the meters are very old and get stuck too.
When that happens, they draw more amperage from the PS.
I would disconnect that harness from the motherboard.
You never answered about if you have any smoke-clogged stuck topbox fans.
Check that too and disconnect if bad.

Also, disconnect all the fluorescent ballasts from the power supply.
They would be the small white Molex connector plugs on top of the very back of the power supply box.
There should be two of the 3-pin connectors that you can unplug.
One goes to the door's lights while the other one runs to the topbox light.
Just leave the 4-pin connector in for the power switch.
PLEASE only disconnect and reconnect these ones with the machine's plug removed from the wall socket or PS box.
We don't want you to get shocked!  :Tongue_Out:
Want to see if removing the 115vac output demand from the power supply helps pinpoint anything.


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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #46 on: January 12, 2023, 10:15:32 AM »
Do some searching for a somewhat recent S+  post/thread that someone else had a few months ago.
I'm serious.....it has a LOT to do with your problem that you're having....this is why...>>>

That "zero" lit up on the left-most side of the "Credits Paid" on the reel glass display...that should NOT be there.

I just saw it in Repy #32.

ONE of those smaller black Molex connectors that plugs into the motherboard can mistakenly go into TWO headers - because both motherboard headers and that plug are the same size.
I forget which one but if it's plugged into the wrong one, I think that's what causes the display to be screwed up and make it display a zero in that spot on the display.

See the harness that has mostly brown wires that plug into the motherboard on the floor?
Those wires are only for the mechanical meters...you don't need it to be plugged in for the machine to work or boot-up.
The clicking of the meters can be a nuisance....also the meters are very old and get stuck too.
When that happens, they draw more amperage from the PS.
I would disconnect that harness from the motherboard.
You never answered about if you have any smoke-clogged stuck topbox fans.
Check that too and disconnect if bad.

Also, disconnect all the fluorescent ballasts from the power supply.
They would be the small white Molex connector plugs on top of the very back of the power supply box.
There should be two of the 3-pin connectors that you can unplug.
One goes to the door's lights while the other one runs to the topbox light.
Just leave the 4-pin connector in for the power switch.
PLEASE only disconnect and reconnect these ones with the machine's plug removed from the wall socket or PS box.
We don't want you to get shocked!  :Tongue_Out:
Want to see if removing the 115vac output demand from the power supply helps pinpoint anything.
Thanks i will try what you said shortly. I did post a picture of the motherboard connections to confirm they were connected correctly and someone confirmed so i am a bit confused now. I did think that maybe that could have been a cause though.
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #47 on: January 12, 2023, 10:36:52 AM »
Do some searching for a somewhat recent S+  post/thread that someone else had a few months ago.
I'm serious.....it has a LOT to do with your problem that you're having....this is why...>>>

That "zero" lit up on the left-most side of the "Credits Paid" on the reel glass display...that should NOT be there.


this?
https://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=37235.0
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #48 on: January 12, 2023, 10:57:14 AM »
 :yes:

I'm afraid every looks alright in your photo though?
Tilt confirmed everything's plugged in correct.

The only thing I can think of is for you to ship me the machine and forget about it....
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #49 on: January 12, 2023, 11:01:24 AM »
:yes:
well looking at the MB and connections again, i dont see how they are messed up or crossed. There really is only one way to connect them as what looks like the original zip ties prevent it from going to the others they can fit.

Looking at that other thread and it appears mine are accurate.
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #50 on: January 12, 2023, 11:18:32 AM »
The only thing I can think of is for you to ship me the machine and forget about it....

Yeah funny not funny....Its just baffling. I am really bummed about it actually and hate to lose money.
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #51 on: January 12, 2023, 11:31:31 AM »
I'm just kidding...we'll get it going...if you thought it was going to be a free ride owning a slot machine, you thought wrong....lol
Wait till you get another one!  :Crazy:

Have you tried swapping any other parts from the slant into this problem cabinet?

The door optics?

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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #52 on: January 12, 2023, 11:44:52 AM »
I'm just kidding...we'll get it going...if you thought it was going to be a free ride owning a slot machine, you thought wrong....lol
Wait till you get another one!  :Crazy:

Have you tried swapping any other parts from the slant into this problem cabinet?

The door optics?
Ok i think i just had a breakthrough....now for a solution...I grabbed a different meter and checked the power coming out of the plug (power supply area) that the white molex harness connects to. I will post the graph i used to ensure its correct by someone. I can get the 7 and 8 volts but the 24 volt circuit only reads about 14-15 volts. So is it safe to assume that would cause the board from firing up? I dont know which curcuit fires which pieces. What does the 24v go to?

So does that mean a new power supply or is there something else that causes it?
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #53 on: January 12, 2023, 12:05:44 PM »
Are you testing it connected ? Or just the molex by itself ?
Mark (stayoutofthebunker) suggested removing a number of things to ensure there is not something adversely drawing a load.
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #54 on: January 12, 2023, 12:10:13 PM »
Are you testing it connected ? Or just the molex by itself ?
Mark (stayoutofthebunker) suggested removing a number of things to ensure there is not something adversely drawing a load.
Right out of the power supply area where the other end of the while molex plug connects. The molex plug harness is removed so power checked before going out. Basically right from the outlet socket.
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #55 on: January 12, 2023, 12:27:54 PM »
If you've gotten those readings without the motherboard power plugged in, then the power isn't "under load".

Get new readings from left to right directly from on top of Molex that's connected to the motherboard header on the floor.
Touch the black probe of your multi-meter onto metal of the floor in the cabinet and the red probe on each pin one at a time.
Start with the left-most orange wires and work your way to the right of the motherboard Molex.

I know, I know...Pin 1 on the mtherboard Molex is the right-most wire...do it from the right to the left if you want...haha
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #56 on: January 12, 2023, 12:59:20 PM »
If you've gotten those readings without the motherboard power plugged in, then the power isn't "under load".

Get new readings from left to right directly from on top of Molex that's connected to the motherboard header on the floor.
Touch the black probe of your multi-meter onto metal of the floor in the cabinet and the red probe on each pin one at a time.
Start with the left-most orange wires and work your way to the right of the motherboard Molex.

I know, I know...Pin 1 on the mtherboard Molex is the right-most wire...do it from the right to the left if you want...haha

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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #57 on: January 12, 2023, 01:03:01 PM »
Your power supply is good.
The first two orange wires make up the 24vac.
The last two green wires are basically just ground wires.

However, even though you've got readings from the top of the motherboard Molex housing, it doesn't mean that there's power going down into the motherboard....those top pins in the housing are female pins...and they are the cheap ones IGT put in there...the good ones are after-market "Trifurcon" female pins which contact 3 sides of the male motherboard pins.

Anyways, with the power switch [ON], you can very carefully wiggle that Molex plug slightly upwards by grabbing one wire from the top with your right hand.
With your left hand, lightly touch the paper strips with your fingertips and feel it go "stiff" with power off or  go "soft" when the power Molex is pulled off.
If you wiggle the housing too high off of the male pins, the reels will go "soft" or dead and freely turn without any resistance whatsoever....which of course means, you've lost power.
Wiggling the motherboard power Molex housing back and forth up and down is one way I check periodically to see if it's burning out on a machine.
The old female pins inside the housing are trying hard to stay attached to the male pins but they are many over 25 years old!

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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #58 on: January 12, 2023, 01:07:16 PM »
Your power supply is good.
The first two orange wires make up the 24vac.
The last two green wires are basically just ground wires.
Well good, but back to ground zero....
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Re: Asking for more help please...
« Reply #59 on: January 12, 2023, 01:51:26 PM »
So basically, from power all the way through a tested working molex, motherboard, and CPU board is good. So now what? Just a random small cut wire somewhere? Or?
I mean...seriously, cant the slot machine gods throw me a bone....This has gone on for way too long....
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