Fortune One 'Twenty One' Machine

[mwade109]

While that is a very good theory, and I have seen many machines that do that,  I do not see any path the coin can go to get back to the coin tray unless it comes into the coin mech and the coin mech decides it is not a actual quarter and sends it out the other side of the coin mech where all bad coins should go.  The only solenoid I see is to reroute the coin from the hopper to the overflow. There is no electronics in the coin mech (it is mechanical) to tell it to divert coins.

Judging by the design, it seems that it is doing what it is made to do concerning accepting the coins after the limit of 5. I was hoping there was a jumper or dip to change it from registering 5 coins to registering 8 coins... kinda like  the ones to change the demoniation.

I just checked my Fortune 1 IGT 611 Silver Jubilee, that is 3 coin video slot and yes, when you put a 4th in it diverts it to the coin tray.  BUT, that has a coin comparitor in it (of which klar told me a while ago that it shouldn't, it should have a mechanical coin mech in it).

This is a coin lockout issue. The machine should reject coins after the maximum amount, which is likely set at 5 already. So that's not the issue. It's not "counting" coins as they go in. After the 5th coin, the solenoid should divert the next coin from going in to the hopper and sent it out to the cash tray. Remove the coin mech and inspect the back. Post a photo of what you see behind the mechanism.

[Chris-socal]

My F1 blackjack does not stop accepting coins. It might be a lockout issue but I think it is relatively common on these. Mine stops counting credits at 8 but will continue to take quarters. I never really thought about it, I just figured it was a fundamental flaw in older machines. User Ra has an F1 that is in very good condition, I wonder how his behaves.

[RiseLikeRa]

Great condition is a relative term when we are talking about older electronics it is before 6 AM here.   When everyone starts to stir I will power up the game and report back to you all.

Ra

[RiseLikeRa]

Ok.  Says 1 to 5 coins on the glass.  A
Game will register up to 5 coins ⁶but it will keep accepting coins after the 5 coin maximum.  House vigorish for the distracted I guess.

[a69mopar]

Ok.  Says 1 to 5 coins on the glass.  A
Game will register up to 5 coins ⁶but it will keep accepting coins after the 5 coin maximum.  House vigorish for the distracted I guess.

is there a diverter at the bottom of the acceptor, behind it? pull out the coin mech and see. what are the wires to the left of the coin mech? 
here are a couple pictures from the manual. one shows two diverter outputs, the other is from the troubleshooting section. does it accept coins with the machine off? if so, then the plate could be magnetized.
fingers crossed...

Wayne

[mwade109]

No diverters or anything behind the coin mech, and judging by there is no alternate path for the coin to be diverted to the coin tray I think that was not a option. The two wires next to the coin mech go the lamp starter and one to the lamp transformer.  This is a older, no sound whatsoever model so I am think this endless coin input design may have been just the way it was. Chris, who have input, has the same machine and it acts the same way. My concern really wasn't the coins diverting to the coin tray, the conversation kinda just got pointed that way. My actual concern is why it only accepts 5 coins when the glass is 8 coins. What is telling it only 5 coins? Is this programmed into the game chips? I either need to find out and remedy that 5 coin problem or locate different glass for it.

Ok.  Says 1 to 5 coins on the glass.  A
Game will register up to 5 coins ⁶but it will keep accepting coins after the 5 coin maximum.  House vigorish for the distracted I guess.

is there a diverter at the bottom of the acceptor, behind it? pull out the coin mech and see. what are the wires to the left of the coin mech? 
here are a couple pictures from the manual. one shows two diverter outputs, the other is from the troubleshooting section. does it accept coins with the machine off? if so, then the plate could be magnetized.
fingers crossed...

Wayne

[a69mopar]

ok , this is really just for information, since it isn't an issue for you of course. but they didn't make the machines to steal coins after max was reached. these were built for casinos.

the lockout coil would push the coin mech similar to the reject button, the coin would follow the reject path, this is from memory and a jog of my memory from looking in the manual.  here is the door diagram and menu to go with it. it shows a coil behind the acceptor, number 14, which I believe to be the lockout coil. the machine would only accept coins while this coil is energized, when the machine was off, reached maximum credits, game in session, or error condition, the lockout coil would de-energize sending the coins back to the tray.

I tried to find any settings to change to 8 coins, but couldn't see any. I believe it is game software dependent.  the attached game instructions show 1-5 coins

Have a great night,

Wayne

[shortrackskater]

As a69mopar said, these were made for casinos, not for stealing money after maximum reached. I have a LOT of older poker machines including a Bally Video TwentyOne which rejects the 11th coin (It's set for ten coins max). Even in credit mode, it "rejects" by making a goofy noise and not accepting that 11th credit. I've never seen any casino machine that just keeps taking money and not crediting it, or sending the excess back to the coin tray.
I just went through a major move and my machines are still just thrown in a room. If I can get to it my Bally soon, I'll post what you should see behind your coin mech. 

[mwade109]

Great info you have there! The reason I did not find a diverter behind the coin mech is it looks like maybe it was removed.  Judging by the picture of my coin mech holder, it looks like something was removed from where the part #14 (solenoid) would have been. This is the first time I saw one that physically opened the coin reject on a mechanical mech. Interesting to say the least!

Thank you, that is some great information... you wouldn't happen to have a play 1-5 coins glass laying around would you?

ok , this is really just for information, since it isn't an issue for you of course. but they didn't make the machines to steal coins after max was reached. these were built for casinos.

the lockout coil would push the coin mech similar to the reject button, the coin would follow the reject path, this is from memory and a jog of my memory from looking in the manual.  here is the door diagram and menu to go with it. it shows a coil behind the acceptor, number 14, which I believe to be the lockout coil. the machine would only accept coins while this coil is energized, when the machine was off, reached maximum credits, game in session, or error condition, the lockout coil would de-energize sending the coins back to the tray.

I tried to find any settings to change to 8 coins, but couldn't see any. I believe it is game software dependent.  the attached game instructions show 1-5 coins

Have a great night,

Wayne

[Badbaud]

As a69mopar said, these were made for casinos, not for stealing money after maximum reached. I have a LOT of older poker machines including a Bally Video TwentyOne which rejects the 11th coin (It's set for ten coins max). Even in credit mode, it "rejects" by making a goofy noise and not accepting that 11th credit. I've never seen any casino machine that just keeps taking money and not crediting it, or sending the excess back to the coin tray.
I just went through a major move and my machines are still just thrown in a room. If I can get to it my Bally soon, I'll post what you should see behind your coin mech. 

Well.... some casinos were cheating. They would put a screw on the coin mech area where an additional coin, if dropped in, would fall into the hopper and they would put a pass over piece on the reel mech so a 7 would not lock in. Been there seen it.

[a69mopar]

As a69mopar said, these were made for casinos, not for stealing money after maximum reached. I have a LOT of older poker machines including a Bally Video TwentyOne which rejects the 11th coin (It's set for ten coins max). Even in credit mode, it "rejects" by making a goofy noise and not accepting that 11th credit. I've never seen any casino machine that just keeps taking money and not crediting it, or sending the excess back to the coin tray.
I just went through a major move and my machines are still just thrown in a room. If I can get to it my Bally soon, I'll post what you should see behind your coin mech. 

Well.... some casinos were cheating. They would put a screw on the coin mech area where an additional coin, if dropped in, would fall into the hopper and they would put a pass over piece on the reel mech so a 7 would not lock in. Been there seen it.

true, they were used in mechanical slots that were in "unofficial" casinos.  My brother restored a few Mills machines with them, i think he called them bugs and it would block the reel stop and make it jump to an adjacent reel stop.


W

[a69mopar]

if you post a want to buy ad in the classifieds, you may find someone that has the glass. pictures always help of course.

Thanks,
Wayne