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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Bally Electromechanical => Topic started by: Bally Bill on October 16, 2016, 04:12:12 PM
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Hello All, I want to get the winner bell to work on my Money Honey Kit machine but I have not found any cut wires on the Bell assembly, reel or hopper so I was thinking it could be a bad relay? Any help on checking another location would be helpful. Thank you again!
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Bill if you use a set of jumpers to 6 volts does the Bell work
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If your bell relay works with jumpers then you may want to carefully clean the bottom two rows of contacts on wiper boards for reels 1 & 2 and the middle three rows of contacts on wiper board for reel three. If you line up a jackpot pay you will see which contacts are used in the rows listed.
You may as well clean all wiper contacts and entire boards.
Red wire from bell goes to reel two wiper board, leaves wiper as green/yellow and goes to reel 1 board, leaves board 1 as red black wire and goes to reel 3 wiper board. Leaves wiper board 3 to aa & e switches through two pay out switches to get to common 30 wire. Thats from a generic 742 schematic.
Jim
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Hi Jim, I have not tried the jumpers yet but I will give it a shot and see if your suggestions cure this issue. Thank you for that helpful information!
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Hello Bill,
Just checking to see if you got the bell working?
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Hi David, I tried with the jumpers and I got no response, I 'am not sure if I did this correctly so I 'am going to re-review Jims and Jons reply and go back to Old Renos post on Jumper cables to make sure. Do I pull power from the blue wire on the transformer?
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Hello Bill,
The easiest place to get the 6 volts AC is on the door. The bulb lights have the common yellow and solid blue wire. Use test leads with the alligator clips and insulated covering. To make it easy pull the reel mechanism out, but make sure at least one of the bulb lights stays on. Most likely it will be the center one at the bottom of the reel glass. Hook the leads to the bell coil, one of the other ends to the blue wire on the door. With the other lead just touch it to the yellow momentarily. The bell should function. If it just rings once and the lights go off check the fuse near the transform. This fuse could blow if the leads touch, but not likely as there is some resistance on the circuit all ready.
If the bell works, check the contacts as Jim discribed, might need to be cleaned. Or someone disconnected the wire. Check for wires cut in the right side of the cabinet near the bell or in the top near the right side. I always triple check wires that have been left cut and hanging. To make sure they are going and coming to the right terminals. Also I have bypassed bell circuit and used the jackpot light circuit if it's work to activate the bell.
Long story short, grab the power from the door lights solid blue and yellow wires.
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Hi David, I tested the bell using your method below and also cleaned all the wiper boards per but nothing is working. I did find 3 cut wires on the left side but I believe it was for the candle on top or for the light I found when I removed the upper panel.
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Black yellow is most likely for the service light and that same wire should be on one side of the service switch/button on the door.
Surprised there is no wire for a jackpot light which would be red in most cases and tied to the bell.
The other two wires appear to be for a fluorescent lamp as I can see the same wires wired into the transformer. One of the
transformer is missing the starter. As for the bell, check the leads from where the red and blue wires are connected to the actual coil.
Plus continuity through the coil. Double check your test leads for the 6 volts. You don't want to know how much time I've wasted scratching
my head just to fine out the lead was bad.
Hopefully another member will have some suggestions on the situation.
Will post schematic for the bell later.
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Hi David, I also used the 6 volt battery method and the bell and coil work fine. I"am now re-checking the wire connections to the bell assembly and coil.. I need to add a Marquee light so do you think the 2 cut wires would work if I can find another light assembly? Until I get more EM electrical experience I feel more comfortable using the 6 volt battery as power...yes I know it not the same but I need to start off slowly and not fry my machines or myself!
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Glad you were able to eliminate the coil and bell form the situation. Didn't think of the 6 volt battery myself.
I wouldn't use those cut wires as they were intended for use with a fluorescent lamp as far as I can see, but may be mistaking.
Trace them out see where they lead.
Check to see if all your fluorescent lamps are working.
After you get the bell working, add a red wire and run it to the candle lite on the top of the machine.
Most candle lights have two sockets in them or add another socket if needed.
The black and yellow will be one lite and the red for the other. A blue wire services both lights.
Should be another wire along with the black and yellow to complete the circuit to the blue 20 wire.
Those candle lights can be found on ebay, but check with Jon first he might have one he could part with.
If you have to use ebay be sure its bally related as there are a lot of different ones out there if it matters.
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Run a jumper from the 30 wire on the door coin in switch to the red (10) wire of the bell. If it rings, then your 6v supply to bell is good. then problem is probably through your reel boards.
Also be aware that fluorescent power is 120v and bell power is 6v.
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im just curious what pays are you using to check your bell. so far the Money Honey im working on the bell has only rang on the triple starts and triple water melons.
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742A generic schematic I have, the bell circuit is for 3 bars or for 3 "bonus". I guess "bonus" symbol could vary by specific model. I believe they are the first two columns of contacts closest to reels that are used.
Bell circuit does not feed through cherries, plums or bells.
Jim
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Hi Old Reno, I ran the jumper wire from the door coin in switch to the red bell wire and it works so I have power to the coil. I will now start to trace the wires back to the reels and see what I can find. David I will look for a light bracket to fit in the existing metal topper assembly... but for now I 'am using a poor mans back lite to give the winner card some light! Vytler this Money Honey is a Kit machine and the bell did not work when it was purchased but my other Money Honey winner bell rings on every winning combination.
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I have been known to hook them up to the payout relate everytime that pay out relay engages the Bell goes off some customers want the noise usually I put a toggle switch in to shut the Bell off incase
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Ok thanks for posting a picture The one im working on is missing the top pay card so I wasn't sure what all it pays on. I have worked on a lot of these machines but not a money honey.
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Bill, thanks for posting the photo of the machine.
On the 1090 I have the bell only rang on the bars and sevens.
So I wired the service light wire to the jackpot light which in turn rings the bell.
Now if someone is playing and they hit cherries, I casually press the service button and
they think they hit the big one.
On your very top payout schedule 27 ways to win.
Is there a place for a fluorescent tube behind or under neither?
If so, the cut wires below inside the cabinet probably powered the lamp.
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David that would be cool to do that but I 'am not at your EM level yet...Old Renos like Yoda from Star Wars and I "am just a Jr Jedi with many years of study ahead of me!
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Vtyler The guy who sold me this M/H kit machine had a few extra items that he gave me but unfortunately the top winner card does not match the reel glass. My other machine has the correct top payout card but the reel glass was damaged and replaced with a different glass. This 2nd machine also has mystery payouts which makes it fun to play..one day I will find the correct reel glass!
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This is what im working on its different than yours. Its not mine im just fixing it i find working on these older em machines fun. I do have a money honey in storage that i can build for myself, but it was built out of 3 other machines from what i was told. I personally have never seen it.
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wow a 5 cent Money Honey? that's pretty cool! you should dig out your M/Honey baby and bring her back to life..
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David, I removed the top and found this inside the cabinet so maybe I could splice into the power and use the open transformer
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After working on this one i want too.
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Bill,
Time for a little detective work.
Place the lamp on top of the machine and see if any of the wires match up.
Length and angle cut on the wire, there is a slim chance two of the wires will match.
I can check the wire arrangements tomorrow, but I believe two blacks and the two wires red with white and grey with red will be your other connections.
I think Mr. V Tyler could tell you how his top fluorescent light is wire, maybe send a photo or two.
You're going to need to barrow a starter from another transform if you haven't got a spare.
Use extreme caution working with 110 volts.
I would secure the lamp fixture as to not having to hold it in place and the lamp may need a slight twist to get it going.
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Would the light wiring match whats in the one im working on? if so i can check it tomorrow when im back in the shop.
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This is the diagram for the door fluorescent lamp.
Wire numbers may be different except for the black and white.
With this, the other lamp ballast in the machine and what Vtyler sends you you should have it covered.
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David I checked the wires and they dont match any cuts or lengths, but I was thinking of splicing into the top lamp black wires and installing a starter or would I need a separate light ballast?
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One light per ballast.
If the lamp fits one of the other fixtures / socket space.
You could test the lamp you found.
Those two wires red white and grey red, I'm thinking will trace to the black and white wires in the bottom of the machine. The ones coming out of the fuse holders.
But I could be mistaken.
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Here is what I found.
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Thanks Vtyler, this helps me understand the wire setup now but how is the lamp attached to the base? it looks like I have to drill holes in the base and pick up the threaded tabs on the lamp ends?
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Bill,
How is the light coming along?
Photo of lamp tester attached.
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Hi Dave, Still trying to trace any cut wires to the winner bell at the reel mech but I did find that some on the wiper tabs on the lower 2 rows were not touching completely on the brass buttons so I adjusted the wiper arm but still have no bell. I did get the light assembly attached and drilled a hole in the case to run the wires but was thinking I could grab the power from the middle light assembly?
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Hi Bally.
Is this the same machine that reel mech was tight to get in/out, with the light that faded after 15 plays, that sat awhile?
You may want to check that the circiut for bell is getting to reel wipers. It has pass through beau plug on reel mech. At least you would know bell circuit is getting to reel mech. I use a spare male beau plug to put into female to find its location on female plug. But you could work back from blue wire on wiper board to male. Or look from behind the males on reel mech and get idea which of two connectors/location. Clean the male plug..
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Bill,
As Jim suggested, work from the blue wire on the transformer to the female Beau Plug to establish a positive circuit.
From there to the wiper boards.
To get a good test connection in the female socket. Make a few probes out of sheet metal.
I added some fluorescent tape to make them easy to fine and not leave in the socket accidentally.
The commercial name for the beau plug is Cinch Jones Plugs / connectors.
Might be some of these in the hanger from old test equipment.
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Hi Jim and Dave,This issue is with the .25 cent Money honey but I will try both suggestions to isolate the short or bad connection. The wire bundle behind the reel mech is tucked into a channel along the case and I 'am leery of pulling that out in fear of creating more problems...Thanks for all the help AGAIN!
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Bill,
Yea, Don't get into the wiring if you don't need to.
Probably trace the blue 20 wire from the transformer to the female beau socket behind the reel mechanism.
Then the corresponding pin into the wiper boards.