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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S2000 and Vision Games => Topic started by: Haywired on July 05, 2014, 04:22:19 PM
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Just picked up a 5 reel machine ......Played it before I transported, and was working fine ...got it home,cleaned it up a bit, plugged in and got the machine type mismatch error ........open and shut door a few times....nothing .....went to settings to make sure machine type was set to upright .....cleared machine with clear chip ...nothing ...same error ....got me stumped ....any suggestions would be great .....
Thanks,
Eric
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Are your batteries good? Coin battery if it's a 500 series MPU, both coin and green battery if it's a 1270
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That was my next check ....soon as I find my meter ....no battery errors when the machine was running.....
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Also make sure every board and connector is fully seated/connected.
Double check your setting in 7.1 if you can change it to the correct one. or use the key chip to enable the menu and change it.
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Replaced coin battery ....just to be sure .....don't have a meter handy to check green battery ......I'm thinking that is what it is .....its giving me type mismatch or stacker door open ....checked all for loose connections,reset I/O boards etc ......Its not saving settings when I set Type,coin denom etc...
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Just for sh!ts and grins try swapping your ram chips to each others sockets. I had a 504 board with a similar issue and it worked for a while though it did end up ultimately failing and I had to replace the board. Also, while you have the MPU out make sure your SB and SG chips are seated well. Go so far as to remove them and reinsert them snugly
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Reseated SB & SG chips .......no change ..what Ram chips are you talking about?
Board is a 1270 with enhanced
SB - 100927
SG's - 552
Version - X1
DSP - 0002
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So you do have a 1270 board. Maybe post a picture. The green battery has to have and hold a charge for the game to run
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Checked green battery reads 2.50 v .......Coin battery is fine ....I will take the board to Batteries + and get a new battery and then see what happens
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Update ....changed green battery ,checked voltage on both ....batteries good ...I am still getting a machine type error ,I have checked settings and everything is good there ..any suggestions ? if this helps ..there is a 1 shown in the single line of the 9 line display and a 1 shown in the Total bet display ...there are no credits on the machine .......
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If your NEW green Batt. is not fully charged (3.6V) you may have to leave machine an hour or so to charge, then reboot.
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After installed tested and read 3.6 - 3.7 ..machine booted up but is still giving me all kinds of errors ..the same errors before I changed the battery
Cleared machine and key chip to set options but seams to be not saving denom options or saving machine type ...thus giving me the machine type error................Now giving me stacker door open error ....everything is seated and closed
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Some times a stacker error will clear by removing and re-seating the cash can. other errors I have had clear by open and close the main door SEVERAL times.
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Tried all that with no change ........what would the machine do if a trace was burnt on the board ......I was really careful when I soldered the battery in and paid attention not to disturb the area around the battery ....what would the machine do if one of the leads of the battery was not making contact ...just throwing some ideas out there
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Look at the pins on your legacy adapter board and your MPU, make sure they are in good shape and check all your plugs and IO cards to make sure they are seated well. Also, 1270 boards are/can be a bit difficult to seat, make sure it's pushed in all the way and those plug pins are in good shape also
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At this point I think I would try another mpu. I did have one awhile back with the same error you have and another mpu worked.
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When you set your machine type are you pushing the max credit button to save ? same with denom settings you have to push the max button to save . P.B.
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all settings get saved by pushing max credits......i would try another mpu
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Having spare slot parts is not a waste of money it is easier to find the cure to the problem by just swapping out parts . Believe me sooner or later you will need them . P.B.
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I'll stock with the theory that it working when tested and something came loose during transport so he needs to check all plugs and wiring
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As per #1 first post, It worked when you bought and got it and then you cleaned it and dicked around with it now all the sudden-it does not work, Correct?. Something occured in this exchange and work I would think. It is always easy to blame a mpu/cpu and this may be the case but I smell a rat. Just a old timers 2-cents. Do you have another cpu to try to rule this out? It would help. If not many here would help on that at a decent price I would think. Also--Check ALL the pins on the back of your cpu/mpu-gold in color-look for any laying over/bent--may help).
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Ok ..Reseated and double checked all connections ..I\O boards etc ....Machine goes thru boot up process mismatch error is not showing up ,seems to be ready to play.....BV cycles as it should but will not take bills....Im trying to insert bills to see how it plays but now getting BV errors ...first stacker problem,reseated cash can that seemed to go away...second error BV error ....removed BV and transport looked it over and reinstalled .....now received BV Jam error....I installed a known working BV out of another machine and came up with the same errors ......I would have tried another board but I do not have another 1270 .....only have 504's in my other machines
Yes it did play when I purchased the machine ....who knows what could have happened to it the 5 hours it spent in the back of a truck ...when I cleaned up the inside,I'm pretty sure I didn't unplug,disconnect or rewire anything to make the machine have errors .....Don't know what you are implying by smelling a rat.....Im just asking members for their ideas and assistance on how they fixed similar errors they might have had in the past.
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He means something kinda obvious bit out of the ordinary, he wasn't referring to you personally. Sounds like you might be getting closer. Does the machine take coins? Was it laying on it's back for the trip? Something could have slipped behind the motherboard. Traveling on it's back isn't normally bad for these machines, but stuff floats around in those cabinets that's not supposed to be there
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I believe I am getting closer .....Just BV errors,last night I installed A known working BV and came up with the same BV errors....the machine is set up for pennies but has a nickel in the CC and hopper is nickel also,so I was going to change the coin denom settings to nickel and see if it will take coins.The machines were on their backs the whole trip,but were well straped down.My next thought was to trace all harnesses to the motherboard and make sure they are all seated.Good thing is that I have another working 5 reel machine to check things out with ....only problem is the other machine has a 504 board instead of a 1270 like the machine I am working on.Wierd thing is that the BV was working as well as the game before I transported it.
Thanks to everyone who has given me advise with my issues,I really appreciate it
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Is the bill validator enabled . Did you do a netplex configuration .what are your limits. Won't take bills if set low or off
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Last night when I checked it was enabled ...but I need to check the limits .....where do you guys usually keep yours set at ????
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Max out all limits. I do not use coins . all coin parts have been removed . I use bill validator and TITO. My coin option has been disabled .P.B.
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I came on here to ansewer a PM and got to reading this thread and I have a question. Why does everything on this site have to become a major problem? I don't seem to have all the major problems with my machines, sometimes like this thread they are just a little ol simple problem.
Eric The coin size you have in your comparator doesn't make any difference. Your machine is kind of stupid and just doesn't care what the value or size of the coin you have installed. Be aware if your machine is programed for a penny and you are using nickels, for each nickel you drop in you are only going to get a credit of one penny. Why not give this a try and if you don't like it it's easy enough to change back. In Key menu set 7.1.1.1 Accounting at one cent and 7.1.1.2 Coin Denom to one thousand dollars, ($1,000.00 ) this way for every nickel you drop in you will get $1000 credits.
OK Let's go to the BV, first thing is bypass the micro switch on the cash can door, second remove the BV and cash can from the machine. A S 2000 does not require either one. Now with the BV and can removed, open and close the main door latch 3 or 4 times. The BV error will now be cleared and machine is waiting for you to add credits. If the BV error didn't clear, you have a door optic problem. If the door optics are good and you had tried the opening and closing the door latch, the MACHINE TYPE MISMATCH would have cleared and you would have fewer gray hairs. ( By the way the CC will not work until ALL errors are cleared.)
NO I'm not going to post in this thread again, I see a big argument about a Mismatch error being cleared using the door latch. The fellow that says it doesn't work is the same fellow that don't know what the F**k he's talking about. Basides if all I wanted to do is aruge, I'll take my X Wife out to lunch.
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Update .....I did what Buzz suggested ...micro switch on cash can door has already been bypassed ...removed BV and cash can ....opened and closed door multiple times ....gave me multiple BV errors last one would be the stacker error ....Errors didn't clear so I understand I have a door optic problem ....adjusted the optics to line up as much as I could ......door has probably 5\8" of play but I adjusted for that ...no change ...so correct me if I am wrong..at this point I find some NOS optics or do I bypass them for good .....Thanks Buzz for the reply ...this might be a simple little problem to fix,but unfortunally I don't know all the "tricks of the trade"so to speak ...that's why I keep asking the questions
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To test your door optics . Open door push the button on the cpu go to 4 I/O test. Scroll to 4.1 input test. Scroll through to 4.1.3 processor input test. Scroll to main door . Close door. Open and close latch it should go from 1 to 0 every time you unlatch the door. if this works its not the main door optics P.B.
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Tested ok ....went from 0 to 1 when down ...with latch in down position the 1 only stays on for a second ..or should it stay on 1 until the latch is raised,or does it matter as long as it changes.
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I guess the next thing to do is trace all wires to the BV ..being that so far all the errors have something to do with it ,there has to be a wire shorted somewhere....if I have to I have another machine I can swamp harnesses out with
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Or unplug it from the motherboard and see if it clears up, then if it does take a good look at the harness and BV housing, components, etc. If not, then pull the motherboard and inspect it. Obviously there is more than one thing it could be and it's boiled down to process of elimination.
You're learning a lot though :yes:
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As in Post #1 and Buzz's and others input, Keep this easy, This should be an easy fix. I understand I guess you are newer to these?. Do this, Roll back the clock, put everything the way it was when you got it. I also do, and this is a problem Assume you have proper clear chip to work with?. What is the EXACT problem with this game--WE can fix this for you given proper data--don't worry about printers etc.---irrelevant.
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As a note, How did this member get to door optics etc-? I prob. did not read all the posts? Easy to chk A 1 or 0 = open or closed on those and for that matter many other game platforms. Sorry, but if it Was in front of me--No more than 10 minutes--Not in front of me.
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When you change bill validators from a working machine . Did you do a netplex configuration you have to do this or your machine may not see the new BV in the machine. P.B.
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Tomorrow night I will unplug from the motherboard and check out everything else,wires harnesses etc to the BV.....before I do that I will try the other BV and this time I will do the netplex configuration ...I did not do that in the first round.
Many thanks to everyone for the advise ...I am learning alot
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It may work swapping in a known working one, but your machine configures netplex devices every time you turn it on. In otherwwords, it knows when something plugged in is responding properly, but it ignores that device of it's been removed since the machine was last turned on. Give it a shot though
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Haywire, Know and remember that it Worked when you got it,transported and now problems,-so all that gear worked. --Keep it easy.
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I came on here to ansewer a PM and got to reading this thread and I have a question. Why does everything on this site have to become a major problem? I don't seem to have all the major problems with my machines, sometimes like this thread they are just a little ol simple problem.
Eric The coin size you have in your comparator doesn't make any difference. Your machine is kind of stupid and just doesn't care what the value or size of the coin you have installed. Be aware if your machine is programed for a penny and you are using nickels, for each nickel you drop in you are only going to get a credit of one penny. Why not give this a try and if you don't like it it's easy enough to change back. In Key menu set 7.1.1.1 Accounting at one cent and 7.1.1.2 Coin Denom to one thousand dollars, ($1,000.00 ) this way for every nickel you drop in you will get $1000 credits.
OK Let's go to the BV, first thing is bypass the micro switch on the cash can door, second remove the BV and cash can from the machine. A S 2000 does not require either one. Now with the BV and can removed, open and close the main door latch 3 or 4 times. The BV error will now be cleared and machine is waiting for you to add credits. If the BV error didn't clear, you have a door optic problem. If the door optics are good and you had tried the opening and closing the door latch, the MACHINE TYPE MISMATCH would have cleared and you would have fewer gray hairs. ( By the way the CC will not work until ALL errors are cleared.)
NO I'm not going to post in this thread again, I see a big argument about a Mismatch error being cleared using the door latch. The fellow that says it doesn't work is the same fellow that don't know what the F**k he's talking about. Basides if all I wanted to do is aruge, I'll take my X Wife out to lunch.
AMEN!!! Well said Buzz... :agreepost: :I_agree_1: :agreepost: :1:
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I guess I lied and I'm back one more time.
Eric If your reply in #30 was correct you have the solution to your problem. No MPU, No Mother Boards, No Netplex, and NO changing the lower light bulb in the candle. In door optic test when the latch is down the 0 and 1 will pulse from one to the other. No pulse, adjust the optics !! If when the optics are adjusted properly there is no pulse exchange the optics with your other machine, but only exchange them one at a time. ( one at a time will tell you which one is bad )
To adjust the optics, place some tape on the cabinet and door. Using a Sharpie draw a line on the tape that is lined up with the center of the optic. Close the door and if the Sharpie lines do not line up the optics need adjusted.
OK with a good working set of door optics and with the BV and cash can removed from the machine, ( you really don't have to remove them, but in this case please do ) Now open and close the door latch three or four times. All the BV errors will clear, now install the BV and cash can and see if the error comes back.
what they are telling you about going to Netplex Config everytime you change BVs in a S 2000 is bull shit. If after changing BVs is a S 2000 if you see CRC mismatch on the VFD just open and close the main door latch a few times and the machine will adjust for the new CRC.
Tricks of the trade :Scratch-Head: :Scratch-Head: OK the tricks of my trade are trying to shift a 18 speed transmission as smooth as I can and getting from point A to point B without getting a speeding ticket or a overload ticket. I'm no slot tech, three ways I've learned about slot machines, the commen sense way, the hard way and about 6 years ago I enrolled in this sort of slot tech school. Name of that school is New Life Games and up until a couple of months ago I Read every post that was on the kind of machines I own. 90 percent of those post are bull shit but every now and then you will learn something new. This one is hard to believe but in almost 6 years I only ask for help on a machine two times and got NO reply on one of them.
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Hey thanks Buzz,
I did get the optics somewhat adjusted ...I was going to go get a hinge to replace the one on the door...It has a nice sag in it when you open it..after that I will see if I can get them lined up better, if I have to, like you said I will swap it out with the other machine ...one at a time ....I will mess with it probably this weekend ..I had to walk away from it for a couple of days and take a break....
Thanks again for the reply
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Who cares if the door sags when it's open !! Your not using the optics when the door is open, but you can bet your butt when the door is closed the optics are in no different alignment with the old hinge are new one. Besides I'll bet the hinge you have is not the blame for the sag. Do this, with the door open a small amount lift up on the bottom of it and watch the cabinet flex. They are just piss poor cabinets, you will never see a Williams cabinet flex like a IGT does. If you happen to have a arc welder, tac two pieces of 1 1/2 or 2 inch angel iron to the floor and each side, it helps. Wire feed works best if you have one.
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Update messed around with the machine a little more ....tried adjusted the door optics..no change ..replaced optics with ones out of my other working machine ...bv errors went away but then received the machine mismatch again ....weird as I was scratching my head and staring at the machine ..I happened to have the belly glass removed and I pushed on the light plate on the left hand side where the belly door cherry switch is ....bingo error gone and game waiting to play mode ......go figure .....replaced with one from the other machine ....game plays fine ....I have some other minor issues .....not error related ,but I will read up on those at a later time .....So with the bad battery to start and door optic problems, I will know next time the first things to look for when errors occur ....Thanks to everyone who helped me out ....many many thanks .....I'm always learning more and more about how these machines work.
Eric
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For the belly door cherry switch you can bypass it by tying the 2 wires together, you will never have to worry about that again. I do this to all my machines along with the cash can wires.
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Yep, lesson to remember here is ALL DOOR OPTICS ARE RELATED!!! Yah! Glad you got it!!!